| 00:05.13 | hans | i have my wife set up with sylpheed |
| 00:05.28 | hans | seemed to be the best gui mail client (fast factors in on slow computers) |
| 01:17.44 | Jayce^ | hans, you guys starting with the key signing, or ending with it? |
| 01:34.16 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.06 | Jayce^ | dang, was thinking of stopping by, but I would need to be gone by 8:15 or so.. |
| 01:40.19 | Jayce^ | oh well... |
| 01:40.29 | kryptik | who loves me? |
| 01:45.28 | hans | Jayce^: I can arrange to do the keysigning earlier. Or we have you announce yourself/write your sig on the board so people can sign it |
| 01:50.36 | Jayce^ | well, it's already too close.. I'd be getting there around time to leave... |
| 01:51.12 | hans | well, you're signed by me and vice versa so it will still affect your web of trust |
| 01:51.19 | Jayce^ | right... |
| 01:52.10 | kryptik | Kryptijk: I love you. |
| 01:52.37 | kryptik | kryptik: for a second there, I thought you were talking to me :) |
| 01:52.49 | kryptik | Till I noticed the 'j' in kryptik |
| 02:02.38 | bbeattie | Mecworks: around? |
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| 03:06.11 | kryptik | Hello Oniblerz |
| 03:06.24 | Oniblerz | hey kryptik |
| 03:06.42 | kryptik | How you doing today? |
| 03:07.40 | Oniblerz | purty good.. you? |
| 03:08.11 | Oniblerz | is there a different channel for the BYU UUG? |
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| 04:34.40 | kryptik | What does apple see in gore.. I just dont get it. Wait.. maybe they want him cause he was the inventor of the internet. Yea, that explains it. |
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| 04:35.09 | kryptik | What up |
| 04:35.42 | Bradipo_ | Not much. |
| 04:35.50 | Bradipo_ | Just working on resizing images. |
| 04:36.05 | kryptik | Ahh, I wish I was.. /sarcasm |
| 04:36.24 | Bradipo_ | Hehe. |
| 04:36.51 | Bradipo_ | The one drawback to a digital camera is that you have to spend a lot of time resizing the images for public consumption. |
| 04:37.22 | Bradipo_ | Although, I guess the same problem would exist with scanned images. |
| 04:37.29 | kryptik | I never take the time. |
| 04:37.44 | kryptik | If it takes people ten minutes to view a picture of me.. so be it. |
| 04:37.55 | Bradipo_ | I guess. |
| 04:38.07 | Bradipo_ | The images I have are 38MB so it would take longer than 10 minutes for most. ;-) |
| 04:38.34 | Bradipo_ | In fact, my DSL is limited to 256kbps up anyway. |
| 04:38.35 | kryptik | The way I see it, if they are interested enough to even think about taking a look at what I have to offer, they wouldnt care if it took thirty seconds to load, or an hour. |
| 04:41.29 | Bradipo_ | Well, some of my images I am going to sell... |
| 04:41.33 | Bradipo_ | So I want people to see them. :-) |
| 04:41.57 | kryptik | Ahh. |
| 04:46.35 | Bradipo_ | Gimp is pretty good. |
| 04:46.57 | kryptik | I love gimp |
| 04:47.00 | Bradipo_ | Impressive for a piece of free software. |
| 04:47.16 | kryptik | And I can count the number of options I know how to use, one one hand. |
| 04:47.28 | Bradipo_ | Me too. |
| 04:52.45 | Bradipo_ | I would like one of those flatscreen changing picture frames. |
| 04:52.50 | Bradipo_ | I can't remember what they're called. |
| 04:54.40 | kryptik | They are called digital canvas's. |
| 04:54.54 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 04:54.59 | Bradipo_ | I want one of those. |
| 04:56.02 | kryptik | Same here, but I dont happen to have an extra 2 grand to drop. |
| 05:04.03 | Bradipo_ | Me either. |
| 05:04.15 | Bradipo_ | HDTV would be more practical. :-) |
| 05:04.36 | kryptik | Sure would.. |
| 05:07.41 | kryptik | I sure can work up a temper when debating the war issues. |
| 05:48.51 | brailsmt | kryptik: why? |
| 05:51.09 | kryptik | I dont know |
| 05:51.15 | kryptik | I just tend to tick people off |
| 05:51.42 | brailsmt | me too, i think it is fun though :) |
| 05:52.02 | brailsmt | typically conservative views piss off liberals... |
| 05:52.12 | brailsmt | at least that is my experience... |
| 05:52.14 | Bradipo_ | Hehe. |
| 05:52.46 | brailsmt | and us conservatives are supposed to accept the liberal's views as is, without any judgement... |
| 05:52.54 | brailsmt | yeah, right... |
| 05:53.26 | kryptik | I like to enter a discussion using a four letter word. |
| 05:53.31 | kryptik | That really gets things cookin. |
| 05:53.48 | brailsmt | lol |
| 05:54.19 | bbeattie | anyone have a comment on what's the best motherboard/memory for a P4 system? Best overall, and best price/performance? |
| 05:54.31 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 05:55.12 | kryptik | brailsmt: I hear ya |
| 05:55.36 | brailsmt | my quit message in #world-relations "homework and political debate are mutualy exclusive..." |
| 05:56.44 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 05:57.00 | kryptik | I really like that channel |
| 05:57.53 | kryptik | You have a semi large gathering of intelligent people. Its quite easy for me to learn something ever day there. New ideas, that is. |
| 05:58.07 | kryptik | Ones you dont here, or wont here growing up in utah. |
| 05:58.58 | kryptik | bbeattie: ASUS |
| 05:59.09 | kryptik | could be.. |
| 05:59.26 | bbeattie | but which asus chipset? and type of ddr memory? |
| 05:59.48 | bbeattie | I need whichever has the best memory throughput, and fastest PCI speeds/bandwidth. |
| 05:59.51 | kryptik | bbeattie.. hold on. Let me see if I can find a link. |
| 06:00.38 | bbeattie | I need to be able to read 4 25Mbs streams from 4 ethernet cards, and write to a disk. |
| 06:01.30 | bbeattie | so 100Mbs total, from the 4 pci cards, and over an ide channel to a disk. (I'm not sure if 5400 or 7200 cain maintain writing 4 streams at once) and memory issues. |
| 06:01.56 | kryptik | Ahh ok. |
| 06:02.29 | kryptik | Well bro, I cant seem to find the link. I thought I had bookmarked a site telling about the ASUS P4 performance, but I cant seem to locate it. |
| 06:02.36 | kryptik | If I find it, I will let you know. |
| 06:02.50 | bbeattie | alright. |
| 06:02.53 | bbeattie | I appreciate it. |
| 06:04.24 | kryptik | Hey no prob. |
| 06:06.00 | kryptik | what is the a? |
| 06:06.11 | kryptik | write, quit, a? |
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| 06:11.56 | Bradipo_ | append? |
| 06:12.07 | Bradipo_ | abort? |
| 06:12.12 | Bradipo_ | all. |
| 06:12.21 | Bradipo_ | If you have multiple files, it will write them all. |
| 06:12.26 | kryptik | Ahh ok. |
| 06:12.31 | Bradipo_ | I'm sure that's it. |
| 06:12.38 | kryptik | So why would he include that in his leave message |
| 06:12.46 | kryptik | perhaps he was in multiple sessions |
| 06:12.57 | Bradipo_ | Heh, not sure. You could ask him since he's back. :-) |
| 06:13.25 | brailsmt | why the ":wqa" in my leave msg? |
| 06:13.33 | brailsmt | it is ":wq" for part msgs... |
| 06:13.50 | Bradipo_ | And quit does wqa... |
| 06:14.04 | brailsmt | because I have multiple channels open in irssi, :wqa is more approriate than :wq for multiple channels |
| 06:14.29 | brailsmt | yeah /part does :wq, /quit does :wqa |
| 06:14.30 | kryptik | So I was right! |
| 06:14.44 | kryptik | I didnt notice you had rejoined. |
| 06:14.46 | kryptik | wb :) |
| 06:14.47 | brailsmt | with exclamation points i think... |
| 06:15.11 | brailsmt | i am about to leave again, though, I jut had a quick C question for #C |
| 06:15.24 | brailsmt | can I declare variables within the scope of an if statement? ie, "if(foo == 123) { char * bar = (char *)malloc(400);...free(bar); }" |
| 06:15.28 | brailsmt | ^-- that was it.. |
| 06:16.10 | brailsmt | silly question really, but it was bugging me... |
| 06:16.17 | kryptik | the ! means to process commands without warnings, right? |
| 06:16.26 | kryptik | so if you have :w! |
| 06:16.35 | kryptik | it would write it without confirming |
| 06:17.29 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, nyt.com doesn't resolve but nytimes.com does. |
| 06:17.35 | Bradipo_ | They have DNS problems. |
| 06:17.46 | brailsmt | kryptik: correct |
| 06:18.14 | kryptik | Good. |
| 06:18.32 | brailsmt | you can override read only sometimes with ! |
| 06:18.39 | brailsmt | ie, you own the file |
| 06:20.20 | kryptik | Really? |
| 06:20.25 | kryptik | How would I go about that |
| 06:20.42 | kryptik | cause I want to own bash_history to erase my su attempts |
| 06:20.46 | kryptik | jk. |
| 06:20.48 | kryptik | The su |
| 06:20.58 | kryptik | arent even stored in bash_history |
| 06:21.00 | kryptik | I dont think |
| 06:24.29 | brailsmt | yes they are... |
| 06:24.59 | brailsmt | kryptik: "sed -i s/su// ~/.bash_history" |
| 06:25.13 | brailsmt | i ownz my bash_history file... |
| 06:25.30 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 06:25.34 | kryptik | That looks pretty complex |
| 06:25.39 | Bradipo_ | What does -i do? |
| 06:25.47 | kryptik | that is caps ignore |
| 06:25.50 | kryptik | case ignore |
| 06:25.56 | Bradipo_ | Ahh. |
| 06:26.02 | brailsmt | the -i edits the file in place |
| 06:26.04 | Bradipo_ | sed: invalid option -- i |
| 06:26.06 | kryptik | Heh |
| 06:26.09 | kryptik | My bad. |
| 06:26.10 | brailsmt | get a real sed |
| 06:26.12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 06:26.22 | Bradipo_ | sed: illegal option -- i |
| 06:26.32 | Bradipo_ | Thats on both linux and OpenBSD. :-) |
| 06:26.34 | brailsmt | GNU sed 4.0.5 |
| 06:27.13 | Bradipo_ | But, that will just remove su... |
| 06:27.19 | kryptik | find / -iname \*foo*\ 2>/dev/null |
| 06:27.19 | Bradipo_ | WOuldn't you want to delete the entire line? |
| 06:27.52 | Bradipo_ | sed -i /su/d ~/.bash_history |
| 06:28.30 | brailsmt | yeah, what Bradipo_ said |
| 06:28.41 | brailsmt | no actually it should be 'D' not 'd' |
| 06:28.59 | Bradipo_ | What's the difference? |
| 06:29.11 | kryptik | Nah, I was just showing and example of the case ignore switch |
| 06:29.27 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.27 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.27 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.28 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.55 | Bradipo_ | I think 'd' would work just fine. |
| 06:31.10 | Bradipo_ | sed -e '/su/d' ~/.bash_history | less |
| 06:31.17 | Bradipo_ | I see no su's in the output. |
| 06:31.34 | Bradipo_ | [andyb@laptop:fangorn 12]$ grep su ~/.bash_history | wc -l |
| 06:31.34 | Bradipo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.40 | Bradipo_ | And I know there were at least 22. |
| 06:31.46 | brailsmt | oh, ok... i thought the you needed the D to delete the newline |
| 06:31.49 | Bradipo_ | s/least/most |
| 06:31.53 | Bradipo_ | Nope. |
| 06:32.10 | Bradipo_ | At least with non-GNU sed. ;-) |
| 06:32.23 | Bradipo_ | Maybe GNU wants to make it more difficult... |
| 06:32.51 | brailsmt | you know, I always think of Gary Gnu when I hear anything about GNU |
| 06:32.59 | brailsmt | :) |
| 06:33.03 | Bradipo_ | Who is Gary? |
| 06:33.37 | brailsmt | "No Gnews is good Gnews with Gary Gnu" |
| 06:33.51 | brailsmt | he was a character on some kids show when I was young... |
| 06:33.59 | brailsmt | Electric Company i think... |
| 06:34.14 | Bradipo_ | Hehe. |
| 06:36.57 | brailsmt | http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/saturday/sa1300.php |
| 06:37.10 | brailsmt | it was on The Great Space Coaster |
| 06:37.29 | brailsmt | it aired from 81-86... |
| 06:45.24 | Bradipo_ | One of my favorites was Battle of the Planets. |
| 06:45.40 | kryptik | I like them. |
| 07:29.50 | Bradipo_ | Anyone know of good free SSH software for Mac < OS X. |
| 07:57.16 | kryptik | I believe PuTTY has a mac port. |
| 07:57.23 | kryptik | Someone correct me if I am wrong |
| 07:57.52 | Bradipo_ | Does putty have drag and drop? |
| 07:58.06 | Bradipo_ | The person I'm helping out is a true Mac user. |
| 07:59.29 | kryptik[ZzZ] | I dont think so. |
| 07:59.44 | Bradipo_ | niftytelnet seems to have what we need. |
| 08:00.07 | kryptik[ZzZ] | Okeydokey |
| 08:00.20 | kryptik[ZzZ] | :) Gnight yall |
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| 16:08.01 | fugalh | grrrrr |
| 16:08.25 | fugalh | I don't believe it. A webpage (and a simple one at that) is locking up not just mozilla but X in its entirety |
| 16:08.37 | fugalh | can't even switch to a virtual console |
| 16:09.50 | Bradipo | I've had that happen. |
| 16:09.56 | Bradipo | Not with Mozilla, but with Netscape. |
| 16:09.59 | Bradipo | Can you login remotely? |
| 16:10.43 | fugalh | the web page is small enough I could even post it here. Just a ul with text and images. the images are large with width and height tags to do thumbnails (cuz I'm too lazy to make real thumbnails. :) |
| 16:10.54 | fugalh | Bradipo: yes, but it's quite sluggish |
| 16:11.10 | Bradipo | Right, but if you can login remotely, can't you kill stuff? |
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| 16:11.37 | fugalh | yes, I killed mozilla and everything except the sshd and bash for the remote login. no change |
| 16:12.36 | fugalh | see, there goes han_solo. :) |
| 16:14.16 | fugalh | if I had root restarting X might do it (c-a-bkspc doesn't work) |
| 16:14.41 | fugalh | top says X has 99% cpu |
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| 16:18.07 | Bradipo | That could be a problem then. |
| 16:24.21 | fugalh | the keysigning party went quite well last night. |
| 16:25.38 | Bradipo | I wanted to come, but got busy. |
| 16:40.05 | fugalh | http://hans.fugal.net/gpg <-- graphs of webs of trust. anyone know how to make that script downloadable? (apache thinks it should be executed but is configured not to execute outside of cgi-bin) |
| 17:03.52 | Bradipo | Hmm, which script? |
| 17:04.13 | Bradipo | trustgraph.sh ? |
| 17:04.27 | fugalh | yeah. I got around it temporarily by renaming it trustgraph.txt |
| 17:04.40 | Bradipo | Oh. |
| 17:05.46 | Bradipo | Do you have some sample output? |
| 17:06.05 | Bradipo | i.e. a PostScript file with your web of trust? |
| 17:06.31 | fugalh | yeah, click on the link. it's actually converted from ps to png using imagemagick |
| 17:07.24 | Bradipo | Which link? |
| 17:07.34 | Bradipo | Oh. |
| 17:07.35 | Bradipo | Doh. |
| 17:07.54 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 17:32.55 | Bradipo | So, does anyone know of a program that can stream video from my TV tuner card? |
| 17:34.45 | levi | By stream video, do you mean just watch it, or send it somewhere over the net? |
| 17:35.00 | Bradipo | Over the net. |
| 17:35.12 | Bradipo | I'm looking at Darwin right now. |
| 17:35.13 | levi | Have you tried VideoLAN? |
| 17:35.20 | Bradipo | Hmm, I haven't. |
| 17:35.39 | levi | That's probably your best bet, if it does read from TV tuners. |
| 17:40.08 | levi | VideoLAN also plays DVDs, even CSS'd ones. |
| 17:40.40 | Bradipo | SO the question is... |
| 17:40.44 | Bradipo | Can it read from TV tuner. |
| 17:40.48 | Bradipo | And then also encode it. |
| 17:41.12 | levi | Anything it plays it can send over a LAN. That's why it's called VideoLAN. |
| 17:41.46 | Bradipo | Heh, true. |
| 17:46.15 | levi | Does the card work with linuxtv? |
| 17:49.40 | levi | Doesn't look like it reads from a TV tuner natively, but you may be able to pipe the data or something. |
| 17:51.17 | levi | Actually, there is a DVB plugin for it. |
| 17:56.37 | Bradipo | I haven't used linuxtv. |
| 17:56.45 | Bradipo | I am using xawtv to view. |
| 17:56.56 | Bradipo | But it has the Video4Linux drivers running it. |
| 18:15.10 | levi | http://www.videolan.org/doc/vls-old/doc/vls-guide-4.html |
| 18:15.17 | levi | Search for 'Video4Linux' on the page. :) |
| 18:15.56 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:16.01 | Bradipo | It's in the CVS version. |
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| 19:46.56 | hans | it's kind of odd to watch a war on tv, as if you were in the stadium or something |
| 19:47.07 | kryptik | Yea it is. |
| 19:50.08 | Bradipo | Are you talking about the pixelized video phone that they have been using? |
| 19:50.30 | kryptik | I would assume so. |
| 19:52.54 | hans | CNN |
| 19:53.42 | kryptik | bah.. cnn = suxor You should be watching FOX. |
| 19:54.00 | hans | i didn't choose - it's the tv in the wilk lobby |
| 19:54.06 | kryptik | Ahh. |
| 19:54.13 | hans | I do radio at home, remember? :-) |
| 19:56.06 | kryptik | Heh, bet the visuals are killer. |
| 19:56.37 | hans | well, those explosions almost always sound bigger than they look on tv, so yeah |
| 19:56.50 | kryptik | Sweet. |
| 20:13.19 | Bradipo | Is there a way to list the number of inodes in use by a particular directory? |
| 20:13.25 | Bradipo | For example, du -sk directory |
| 20:13.34 | Bradipo | Will show how many 1k blocks are in use by directory. |
| 20:14.26 | Bradipo | Or maybe I can calculate that somehow from the output of du... |
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| 21:56.43 | bbeattie | has anyone setup a raid system with different size drives (and manufacturers) before? |
| 22:04.16 | hans | yeah |
| 22:05.05 | bbeattie | I'm just trying to get some input on how well striping works when using different drives. |
| 22:06.16 | Mecworks | disk size is automaticaly handeled by the Linux RAID drivers. and it splits the # of sectors per drive in a ratio equal to the drive sizes |
| 22:06.22 | bbeattie | I need to maintain 4 different 20Mbs streams from 4 network cards to disk. I don't believe a single 7200 rpm disk can handle writing 4 of those streams at once. I'm wondering if I could get the speeds needed by striping some different drives. |
| 22:07.14 | bbeattie | Mecworks: so is you raid speed only double (if you have 2 drives) the speed of the slowest drive? |
| 22:07.23 | Mecworks | 7200 RPM with 8meg cache might be able to handle it. However, striping would definietely help |
| 22:07.42 | bbeattie | I'm looking at a 7200 2mb cache, 175gig drive. |
| 22:07.57 | Mecworks | depends how many sectors are on the fast drives |
| 22:08.25 | Mecworks | compared to the slower drive |
| 22:08.38 | bbeattie | what's the command to do a test write to check the HD write speed? |
| 22:08.48 | Mecworks | I use bonnie++ |
| 22:09.32 | Mecworks | with large files (>2 gig if possible) so that the content is not cached in memeory |
| 22:09.45 | bbeattie | does bonnie support test writing of multiple writes to different areas of the disk? |
| 22:10.55 | Mecworks | dont know |
| 22:12.04 | Mecworks | a way to force writes to a particular area of the disk would be to make partitions in that areay then write on that partition. |
| 22:18.57 | bbeattie | Have you ever seen a "worse case write" speed on a drive before? |
| 22:22.58 | Mecworks | no |
| 22:23.07 | Mecworks | unless it was failing. |
| 22:23.10 | Mecworks | you? |
| 22:39.13 | bbeattie | Mecworks: I was just wondering if you'd ever seen a manufacturer publish specific details.. I need a drive that can write 4 20Mbs streams, and read a fifth all at once. |
| 22:58.03 | Mecworks | no. I have only seen maximum stats. Not minimum as minimum is always 0 |
| 22:58.31 | Mecworks | and changes with the way data is organized on the disk |
| 22:58.52 | Mecworks | which is outside the manufacturure's controll |
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| 23:01.47 | bbeattie | Mecworks: what is your output from running bonnie++? |
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| 23:24.29 | Mecworks | I don't have bonnie++ installed right now. |
| 23:24.47 | Mecworks | do you need actual numbers? |