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| 02:39.42 | hans | my computer just sang the blues |
| 02:40.01 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 02:40.37 | hans | I just wrote a program to 'improvise' on the blues scale. (ok, so it's just random notes) Kinda does sound bluesy though |
| 02:40.53 | kryptik | I like that word.. |
| 02:40.55 | kryptik | bluesy. |
| 02:40.55 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 02:41.28 | Jayce^ | so hans, if you had to use emacs in that class they mentioned, is there a way to run vi inside of emacs? they say it does everything after all :) |
| 02:41.47 | hans | lol. hey, I think they have a shell don't they? |
| 02:41.57 | hans | if their terminal emulation is worth anything you could run v |
| 02:41.58 | hans | i |
| 02:42.03 | Jayce^ | and not just keybindings :) |
| 02:42.10 | kryptik | Emacs has a shell |
| 02:42.11 | kryptik | yes. |
| 02:42.29 | hans | i'm gonna try. anyone know how to get to the shell in emacs? |
| 02:42.41 | Jayce^ | meta-ctrl-something : |
| 02:42.42 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 02:43.14 | kryptik | they makin you use emacs? |
| 02:43.36 | hans | nah, I'm a senior. lucky if they can make me use the programming language they want. ;-) |
| 02:43.49 | hans | this is for a 100-level class |
| 02:44.11 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 02:44.40 | Jayce^ | hans: ESC-x shell |
| 02:45.20 | hans | fugalh@falcon:/usr/share/emacs/20.7/etc$ echo $TERM |
| 02:45.20 | hans | dumb |
| 02:45.22 | hans | no duh |
| 02:45.45 | kryptik | Ugh.. I bought an emacs reference guide from borders a while back. I still dont know whats inside. |
| 02:46.08 | hans | well, you can't just fire it up |
| 02:46.13 | Jayce^ | [jayce@axis jayce]$ emacs |
| 02:46.13 | Jayce^ | bash: emacs: command not found |
| 02:46.15 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 02:46.18 | hans | i guess vi can't work with a dumb terminal |
| 02:47.02 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 02:49.01 | hans | anyone know how to generate random numbers with a gaussian distribution? |
| 02:49.52 | kryptik | Gaussian..? |
| 02:50.07 | brailsmt | kryptik: your typical bell curve... |
| 02:51.00 | kryptik | Uh.. ok. You guys are way ahead of me. I wont even try. |
| 02:51.16 | hans | this thing sounds more like wind chimes singing the blues than music. I need to tighten the variation in pitch and duration but still allow for extremes |
| 02:52.13 | brailsmt | hans: you need to get 1/f noise in order for it to sound musical... |
| 02:52.29 | hans | 1/f noise? |
| 02:52.32 | brailsmt | google for fractal music... |
| 02:53.21 | brailsmt | i think it is 1/(f ** beta) noise, or something like that... |
| 02:55.04 | brailsmt | yeah, 1/f**beta noise simply is the mathematical way to express that notes in music tend to be followed by notes that are similar |
| 02:55.25 | brailsmt | and it is a phenomenon seen in all music |
| 02:57.55 | hans | can you elaborate on what f and beta would be? |
| 02:58.23 | brailsmt | scratch the beta part... |
| 02:58.32 | brailsmt | i don't recall... |
| 02:58.48 | brailsmt | the president will address the nation at 8:15... |
| 02:59.02 | kryptik | yay |
| 02:59.06 | brailsmt | so in about 10 minutes... |
| 02:59.10 | kryptik | tyler wants war |
| 02:59.12 | brailsmt | that was quick... |
| 02:59.15 | kryptik | heh. |
| 02:59.49 | brailsmt | the speculation has been that the president would not address the nation until after military action began... |
| 03:00.19 | kryptik | Now did I hear right.. we are planning on attacking within the next day or two..? |
| 03:00.39 | brailsmt | probably it is already underway |
| 03:00.55 | kryptik | Well I dont think so |
| 03:00.56 | brailsmt | there are reports of increased flight activity over iraq... |
| 03:01.00 | kryptik | Ahh ok |
| 03:01.05 | kryptik | It may be |
| 03:01.13 | kryptik | Well I am happy |
| 03:01.18 | kryptik | it has finally started |
| 03:01.24 | brailsmt | ari fleischer just said, that the "initial stages of the disarmament of Iraq has begun" |
| 03:02.35 | kryptik | Join #world-relations.. I am sure there will be some interesting discussions going on there. |
| 03:02.59 | brailsmt | nah join #kick-the-crap-out-of-iraq |
| 03:03.00 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:03.04 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 03:03.09 | kryptik | I am the op of that channel |
| 03:03.38 | brailsmt | is there a #iraq? |
| 03:03.49 | kryptik | yea |
| 03:03.52 | kryptik | but nothign there |
| 03:03.57 | kryptik | like three ppl |
| 03:04.10 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:04.58 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 03:05.11 | kryptik | I will be back laters |
| 03:05.15 | kryptik | going to watch this shit. |
| 03:05.34 | brailsmt | the bad news of all this (personally at least)... my wife transcribes news shows... she will be home late tonight... :( |
| 03:05.47 | Bradipo_ | Too bad kryptik doesn't have TV on his computer like me. :-) |
| 03:05.55 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:06.07 | kryptik | What do I need to have tv on the comp? |
| 03:06.13 | kryptik | just a cable connection, right |
| 03:06.14 | Bradipo_ | A TV card. |
| 03:06.16 | brailsmt | a tv tuner card |
| 03:06.23 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 03:06.27 | kryptik | Well I will check into it. |
| 03:06.28 | Bradipo_ | And cable or even broadcast works I believe. |
| 03:06.42 | Jayce^ | bush is speaking in 10 minutes |
| 03:06.48 | Bradipo_ | I got a WinTV card (and it works in Linux too). |
| 03:06.48 | Jayce^ | I hate the news channels.. |
| 03:06.53 | Bradipo_ | Me too. |
| 03:07.01 | kryptik | same here. |
| 03:07.04 | Bradipo_ | They talk and talk and talk... |
| 03:07.06 | brailsmt | i like FOX News, a lot |
| 03:07.20 | Jayce^ | "Our sources tell us that there are covert operations happening in baghdad right now... made up of iraqi nationals"... |
| 03:07.24 | brailsmt | o'reilly factor is my favorite |
| 03:07.27 | hans | i'm gonna do it old-fashioned like |
| 03:07.46 | Bradipo_ | That would be cool. |
| 03:07.53 | Bradipo_ | Jayce^: What channel? |
| 03:08.05 | Jayce^ | that was nbc (was flipping channels).. |
| 03:08.27 | brailsmt | there have been covert operatives in Iraq for months if not years... |
| 03:08.37 | brailsmt | I am willing to bet |
| 03:08.57 | brailsmt | here is the supreme irony in all this... |
| 03:09.28 | brailsmt | back in 1963 there was a CIA backed assination of the then Iraqi dictator, who was communist... |
| 03:09.40 | brailsmt | shortly thereafter Saddam took power... |
| 03:09.48 | Bradipo_ | That is ironic. |
| 03:11.17 | brailsmt | wow, iraqi national radio has just been taken over by our military... |
| 03:11.47 | brailsmt | http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/3/17/191524 |
| 03:11.50 | Bradipo_ | James Bond is on TNN if anyone cares. :-) |
| 03:12.14 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 03:12.27 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, where did you hear about the radio take over? |
| 03:12.33 | brailsmt | ksl radio |
| 03:12.45 | Jayce_laptop | taking over their radio, yeaah |
| 03:12.52 | hans | i switched to ksl... 90.1 was talking with some lame polisci guy |
| 03:13.08 | Jayce_laptop | just broadcast a stronger signal on the same frequency |
| 03:13.16 | hans | there's only one Moab. ;-) |
| 03:13.27 | Bradipo_ | I thought Utah protested the name? |
| 03:13.33 | brailsmt | Moab, or MOAB? |
| 03:13.42 | brailsmt | and the protest was stupid and silly... |
| 03:14.05 | Bradipo_ | CNN just lost their cameras in Baghdad |
| 03:14.14 | brailsmt | they can call it "BRAILSFORD", if utah objects... |
| 03:14.21 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:14.31 | hans | i love it when news people hit obstacles |
| 03:14.35 | Jayce_laptop | hehe |
| 03:14.36 | hans | they get so funny when they get frustrated |
| 03:14.40 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 03:14.58 | Bradipo_ | He made a goofy face like 8-@ |
| 03:17.00 | brailsmt | bush is on |
| 03:17.11 | Bradipo_ | Yeah, he started 30 seconds late. :-) |
| 03:17.26 | Bradipo_ | I guess their clocks aren't synched via NTP... |
| 03:17.38 | brailsmt | lusers |
| 03:20.05 | Jayce_laptop | just san-francisco? |
| 03:20.22 | brailsmt | no, especially San Fransisco... |
| 03:20.29 | Jayce_laptop | yeah... |
| 03:21.05 | Jayce_laptop | no blood for oil kinda crap.. |
| 03:21.35 | brailsmt | though, i don't think the chance will present itself here in utah valley... |
| 03:21.51 | Bradipo_ | If only they would put their efforts into developing technology that doesn't require oil, they could put their money where there mouth is. |
| 03:21.59 | Jayce_laptop | not sure.. expect a few from the various uniīs to do it.. |
| 03:22.13 | Bradipo_ | More likely the U. |
| 03:22.24 | Bradipo_ | BYU is too indoctrinated, and UVSC is too clueless. |
| 03:22.48 | hans | byu's quite split actually |
| 03:22.48 | Jayce_laptop | yeah, but you get the wannabeīs who will do it.. |
| 03:22.56 | hans | surprisingly |
| 03:23.50 | Jayce_laptop | cnn is having speech problems :) |
| 03:26.10 | brailsmt | how do you break up an iraqi bingo game? |
| 03:26.27 | brailsmt | call B-52 |
| 03:26.28 | Jayce_laptop | dunno |
| 03:26.32 | Jayce_laptop | ouch... |
| 03:26.40 | Jayce_laptop | B2 :) |
| 03:26.46 | brailsmt | that is a Desert Storm joke :) |
| 03:27.43 | brailsmt | it is in a town called Knob Knoster :) |
| 03:28.42 | brailsmt | s/in/near |
| 03:30.06 | Jayce_laptop | talk about being military oriented :) |
| 03:30.12 | brailsmt | struct us_military us = (struct us_military *)malloc(250000); free(iraqi_people); |
| 03:30.33 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:35.14 | brailsmt | oh, dan rather... he's an idiot... |
| 03:35.37 | brailsmt | NB: /me is very opinionated... |
| 03:38.38 | Jayce_laptop | rather is a moron.. |
| 03:38.47 | kryptik | I love this. |
| 03:38.51 | Jayce_laptop | dang, and thus begin the /. flames on how evil america is... |
| 03:38.53 | Bradipo_ | Is he the one on CNN? |
| 03:42.39 | Jayce_laptop | no.. |
| 03:42.51 | Jayce_laptop | cbs or nbc.. I forget.. (never really watch them now) |
| 03:43.08 | kryptik | Man.. |
| 03:43.14 | kryptik | I wish I was fightin |
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| 03:46.44 | brailsmt | dang i got disconnected, and now i lost the ksl stream... the server is full... :( |
| 03:47.00 | hans | brailsmt: radio. no network congestion |
| 03:48.01 | brailsmt | yeah, but i can't read surf the web and listen to my radio... |
| 03:48.22 | hans | why not? non-portable? |
| 03:48.42 | brailsmt | yeah, it is big component audio/visual system... |
| 03:48.49 | brailsmt | i got it back!!!! |
| 03:52.49 | hans | there, that sounds pretty cool. |
| 03:52.53 | brailsmt | wow, 30 cruise missles to strike that one bunker... |
| 03:53.15 | brailsmt | the bunker is now a smoldering hole in the ground... |
| 03:56.02 | Jayce_laptop | oohh.. didnīt see a picture of that.. |
| 03:56.36 | Jayce_laptop | heh.. good, sen lieberman talking about why the war is a good thing... most anti-war people really like him :) |
| 03:57.20 | kryptik | Shit.. why do people think walkouts will help..? Stupid people. |
| 04:01.46 | Jayce_laptop | itīs an excuse to cut class, and seem important.. |
| 04:02.16 | kryptik | Yea.. I may just do it. |
| 04:12.57 | brailsmt | i am going to walk out to protest the futility of walk outs... |
| 04:14.06 | brailsmt | i have an idea reminicient of the tree huggers... let the tree huggers turned human shields strap themselves to bunker busters, or cruise missles... |
| 04:14.22 | hans | bunker-huggers. :) |
| 04:14.36 | brailsmt | no, bunker-bits |
| 04:14.38 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:18.30 | hans | well, off to bed |
| 04:19.55 | brailsmt | we ought to just destroy all communications in Iraq, then attack in a few weeks... |
| 04:24.14 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 04:24.23 | Jayce^ | a few A-6e's would do the trick :) |
| 04:42.16 | Bradipo_ | Hopefully nobody ever takes out the GPS satellites... |
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| 04:46.12 | brailsmt | wow, 2 full divisions already have surrendered, with 2 more divisions in northern iraq are also posed to surrender... |
| 04:46.41 | brailsmt | that means that 2/3 of saddams conscripted army has surrendered... |
| 05:22.50 | albino | brailsmt: Ooo, that sounds good, keep the info coming -- there aren't any TVs in this library |
| 05:37.30 | Jayce^ | brailsmt: got a link to that? |
| 06:19.30 | brailsmt | no, I am listening to the ksl radio streaming... |
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| 17:42.03 | Jayce^ | In Salt Lake City, protesters gathered outside the federal building following the initial strike on Baghdad and said they plan to camp out there indefinitely. |
| 17:42.12 | Jayce^ | ooohhh.. maybe I found something to do today :) |
| 17:42.26 | Jayce^ | make a pro-bush sign and camp out too :) |
| 17:45.14 | levi | Yeah, like Bush cares about protesters in SLC. :) |
| 17:45.42 | Jayce^ | they did a poll, in utah, the support level is at 79% highest in the country.. |
| 17:46.07 | levi | Doesn't surprise me a bit. |
| 17:47.04 | levi | My view is that we shouldn't have gone at it on our own, but now that we've committed, we should get the job done as quickly and efficiently as possible. |
| 17:47.37 | Jayce^ | I would have preferred more support, but it really had to be done.. |
| 17:48.06 | levi | I'm skeptical about that, but not totally discounting the idea. |
| 18:33.13 | Bradipo | If we win the favor of the Iraqi people that are oppressed, then maybe it will be worth it. |
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| 19:48.36 | hans | Jayce^: you there? |
| 19:50.01 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 19:50.44 | hans | i'm having funky perl problems |
| 19:51.00 | Jayce^ | k |
| 19:54.53 | hans | I have a reference to a score structure thus: my $score_r = MIDI::Score::events_r_to_score_r($track->events_r); |
| 19:55.23 | hans | and the data in that score structure seems to be being modified although I don't see how I could be doing it. |
| 19:56.13 | Jayce^ | modified by the creation of the object? (I'm guessing that is the correct way to create the object you have), or is it just being called as a library? |
| 19:56.59 | hans | no, not being modified there per se |
| 19:57.14 | hans | if I dump it after doing that the first time (that's inside a for loop) it's fine |
| 19:57.34 | hans | but when I get another reference later in the program and access it some of the data has changed |
| 19:58.06 | Jayce^ | you using Data::Dumper to view that? |
| 19:58.43 | Jayce^ | kinda hard for me to tell anything w/o seeing it... |
| 19:59.10 | hans | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/midi2csound.txt |
| 20:00.08 | hans | in the first for loop (the dump isn't there) it's ok, but in the second top-level for loop down below the $starttime is wacked out |
| 20:01.29 | hans | if you don't see anything obvious don't worry about it. I'm probably going to scratch it and start over (routine rewrite) |
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| 20:08.16 | Jayce^ | so your tempo loop is working, but the notes one isn't? is that what you're saying? |
| 20:09.04 | hans | right. actually both loops work fine I just get bad values for the starttime. i.e. $note_event->[1] |
| 20:13.41 | Jayce^ | hrmm... |
| 20:13.57 | Jayce^ | gotta look more (not knowing midi kinda hampers things :) ) |
| 20:14.25 | hans | not to mention not knowing csound :) |
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| 20:19.48 | hans | let me paste a few lines that demonstrate the problem. I put in a dump in the first for loop and will compare the first two lines from the second loop |
| 20:20.07 | hans | good (first loop) : ['note', 729, 239, 1, 74, 72], |
| 20:20.07 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.17 | kryptik | http://news.com.com/2100-1042-993332.html?tag=fd_top |
| 20:20.21 | hans | bad (second loop) : ['note', 729, 239, 1, 74, 72], |
| 20:20.21 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.57 | hans | the time for the first note is fine, as you can see, but not the time for the second note. (time is the second element, the first after 'note') |
| 20:21.03 | Jayce^ | what does that second field represent? |
| 20:21.13 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:21.23 | hans | time in 'ticks' since the beginning of the song |
| 20:22.03 | hans | $division = ticks/quarter note |
| 20:22.18 | hans | (480 in this particular song) |
| 20:26.46 | hans | hrrm |
| 20:26.50 | hans | look at this: |
| 20:26.53 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.53 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.53 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.53 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.02 | hans | $score_r2 exhibits the bad behavior |
| 20:27.32 | hans | and the third one is off even more now. I guess I just need to instantiate only one reference |
| 20:27.40 | Jayce^ | interesting.. yeah, probably.. |
| 20:27.52 | Jayce^ | you could do your work in a single loop |
| 20:28.36 | hans | yeah, thinking of doing that anyway. cleaner. |
| 20:29.00 | Jayce^ | much :) |
| 20:29.02 | hans | i'd have to build a structure though since all the tempo events (which must be in one csound command) need to come first (for aesthetic purposes) |
| 20:29.13 | Jayce^ | dont' want you thinking Perl is unreadable :) |
| 20:29.24 | hans | :-) I can read it just fine. ;-) |
| 20:29.43 | hans | until two months down the line that is. |
| 20:30.42 | *** topic/#Utah by hans -> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/User_Groups/North_America/United_States/Utah/ | BYU UUG meeting tonight: Secure living through GnuPG and keysigning party |
| 20:32.18 | Jayce^ | thinking about going tonight, just to get more signatures on my key :) |
| 20:32.39 | hans | given the frequency of keysinging partys around here, you probably ought to. :) |
| 20:33.59 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:44.39 | Jayce^ | Peace in Iraq has left 2 million civilians dead. Give war a chance. |
| 20:44.41 | Jayce^ | I like that one.. |
| 20:46.38 | hans | anyone used dosbox? |
| 21:11.10 | Bradipo | Is tonight a keysigning party? |
| 21:11.19 | hans | yup |
| 21:11.21 | Bradipo | Where? |
| 21:11.24 | hans | BYU |
| 21:11.43 | Bradipo | Is there a URL for details? |
| 21:12.01 | hans | http://uug.byu.edu/events.php?id=77 |
| 21:12.08 | Bradipo | Thanks. |
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| 21:49.12 | Jayce^ | anybody got a topic they want to talk about for the next plug meeting? |
| 22:09.22 | Jayce^ | A patch for a security flaw that affects Microsoft's Web server software running on Windows 2000 has caused system freezes for some customers, the company said Thursday |
| 22:09.32 | Jayce^ | how does that differ from any other patch? |
| 22:38.01 | Jayce^ | SysInfo: Linux 2.4.19-16mdk | AMD Athlon(TM) XP2000+ 1678.864 MHz | Mem: 329/774M %C14[%C4||||%C3||||||%C14]%C | Diskspace: 221G Free: 130G | Bogomips: 3348.88 | Screen Res: 2880x1200 | Procs: 113 | | Up: 4d 21h 23m | eth0: In: 1.61G Out: 1.73G |
| 22:38.21 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. does that show up with funky chars to anybody else? |
| 22:38.42 | Jayce^ | the color chars look all wrong to me now.. since I went to xchat2 |
| 22:38.45 | Bradipo | Who understands the GPG CLI interface well? |
| 22:38.56 | Jayce^ | TimRiker does real well.. |
| 22:39.29 | Bradipo | What does the second field in the ``trust'' represent? |
| 22:39.34 | Bradipo | I have a key like: trust: u/- |
| 22:39.38 | Bradipo | Why is the - there? |
| 22:39.49 | Bradipo | And how can I change it? |
| 22:45.26 | hans | validity I think |
| 22:46.44 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 22:46.54 | Bradipo | So a - means invalid? |
| 22:47.52 | hans | i'm not sure |
| 22:49.22 | Bradipo | Ok, someone in #gnupg filled me in. |
| 22:50.41 | Bradipo | At least to fix it... |
| 22:50.50 | Bradipo | Use --update-trustdb |
| 22:52.54 | hans | ahh |
| 23:19.02 | TimRiker | the first is the assigned owner trust and the second is the calculated trust value. |
| 23:19.28 | TimRiker | yeah, you need toupdate to get the caculated values updated. |
| 23:25.47 | Bradipo | Thanks. :-) |
| 23:26.21 | Bradipo | I wouldn't have had to ask if the documentation was clear on this. |
| 23:26.40 | Bradipo | Anyone here use Sylpheed? |
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