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| 17:08.41 | Mecworks | So, is riker in Texas right now? I havn't seen him on IRC over the weekend at all... |
| 17:09.05 | Jayce^ | I thought I saw him on saturday some, maybe it was friday.. only briefly |
| 17:09.27 | Mecworks | hm. he's probalby busy packing and getting his house ready to sell. |
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| 17:16.59 | kryptik | Anyone know how I might go about establish an internet connection that is comming into a win98 box, then going through a hub to a linux box? |
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| 18:23.25 | neybar | I suppose you could try internet connection sharing then set up the appropriate proxy values on the linux box. I haven't tried to do that in a very long time though. |
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| 18:28.06 | Bonez39 | neybar...question for ya |
| 18:28.11 | neybar | k |
| 18:28.31 | Bonez39 | Ihave networking compiled into my kernel, but it doesn't just come up, using DHCP>. |
| 18:29.09 | neybar | what kind of nic do you have? |
| 18:29.11 | Bonez39 | I have checked with 'grep CONFIG_FILTER .config and with CONFIG_PACKET and both show that either the module was compiled or it was compiled intot he kernel.... |
| 18:29.35 | Bonez39 | my NIC is Macronex...I think that's it's name..it works fine with 2.4.18 kernel... |
| 18:29.45 | neybar | when you say networking, what do you mean? do you mean actually using the network, or iptables? |
| 18:29.54 | Bonez39 | some somehow it's not work under 2.4.20 kernel... it's using UTP ethernet.. |
| 18:30.14 | Bonez39 | I mean using the network, either to communicate with other PCs on my LAN or to connect to internet... |
| 18:30.29 | Bonez39 | neither one of those work on 2.4.20 kernel, but do fine under 2.4.18 kernel on same machine.. |
| 18:30.35 | neybar | do you know what module your nic requires? |
| 18:30.49 | Bonez39 | it uses TULIP module... |
| 18:31.46 | neybar | it could be that support was dropped for your nic in the new kernel. I had a generic nic that used the tulip drivers that worked in an older kernal but not a debian 4.20 kernel. |
| 18:33.20 | Bonez39 | when I run grep TULIP .config it shows =m i.e., that the module is available... |
| 18:33.49 | neybar | hmm |
| 18:34.05 | neybar | so what happens when you modprobe the module? |
| 18:34.21 | Bradipo | What's a good cell phone and carrier to get? |
| 18:34.36 | Bonez39 | I just tried modprobe...and modprobe is not install under that kernel.. |
| 18:34.47 | neybar | ehh? try insmod then |
| 18:34.57 | Bonez39 | I mean modprobe is on the machine..I guess I need to hunt down where it's located to run it that way... |
| 18:35.40 | neybar | I have a motorla 820 with t-mobile. I have been pretty happy with it unless I use it in my office... :-) |
| 18:36.35 | Bradipo | What's the coverage like with t-mobile? |
| 18:38.16 | Bonez39 | way, I was not root..yes modprobe is there... |
| 18:38.25 | Bonez39 | but it returns nothing..so my modules aren't loading up.. |
| 18:38.35 | Bonez39 | I forget..what's the command to load modules? |
| 18:38.35 | neybar | I haven't had any problems with it. so far it has worked all through SLC, logan, utah county. Also worked well on my trip to dallas. |
| 18:38.52 | neybar | modprobe <module> |
| 18:39.17 | Bonez39 | I run modprobe tulip |
| 18:39.34 | Bradipo | What about between Provo and Vernal? |
| 18:39.44 | neybar | never been there |
| 18:40.26 | neybar | Jayce^ has the same phone and plan as me. I think he likes his phone too |
| 18:40.58 | neybar | Bonez39: what happens when you run modprobe tulip? |
| 18:44.57 | Bonez39 | neybar: it says the module can not be found, something to that effect.. |
| 18:45.14 | Bonez39 | but why on the same system....when booting up 2.4.18 kernel would it be found just fine? |
| 18:45.58 | neybar | because you have to tell the kernel explicitly to include the nic drivers that you want. |
| 18:46.07 | neybar | so 4.20 can't use 4.18 modules |
| 18:46.29 | neybar | do a "find /lib/modules | grep tulip" |
| 18:46.37 | Bonez39 | yeah.....basically.. |
| 18:47.06 | Bonez39 | can telling the kernel to include those..be done now, after the fact or do I face recompiling? |
| 18:47.49 | neybar | you will have to rerun menuconfig and then recompile. It shouldn't be too bad though cause it should only have to compile the new modules. |
| 18:49.43 | Bradipo | Are there any cell phone services that don't make you sign a one year contract? |
| 18:50.16 | Bradipo | I think cell phones should be more like gas, electric and other utilities that are paid month to month with no stupid contract. |
| 18:50.56 | Bonez39 | the find command yields several drivers...in various kernel version directories.. |
| 18:51.10 | neybar | doesn't verison have a pre-pay type service? kinda like a phone card. You put how ever many minutes you want to use on it. I don't know how the pricing goes though. |
| 18:51.22 | neybar | Bonez39: any in you 4.20 tree? |
| 18:51.27 | Bonez39 | one that works with 4.18 module showed a compile date in March 2003, while the one in 2.4.20 kernel directory showed a date of 2002... |
| 18:51.32 | neybar | s/you/your/ |
| 18:51.41 | Bonez39 | so does that mean it never got updated or changed? |
| 18:51.48 | Bonez39 | the file sizes are different too |
| 18:51.50 | neybar | looks like that might be the case |
| 18:52.22 | Bonez39 | ok..... |
| 18:52.22 | neybar | bbl... running errands |
| 18:52.33 | Bonez39 | any suggestions before you go? |
| 18:53.49 | neybar | try lookin at your config and make sure that it is including the tulip drivers and that you are including it as a module. |
| 18:54.10 | Bonez39 | ok...I'll puruse that ...back later |
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| 19:11.39 | han_solo | ok, laptop gurus... |
| 19:12.48 | han_solo | the backlight on this thing sporadically turns off. opening and closing it until I'm blue in the face eventually turns it back on, and then it will last for anywhere from 2 seconds to several hours before going off again. Turning off, rebooting, even taking out the battery makes no difference so I think it's a loose connection somewhere. |
| 19:12.58 | han_solo | is fixing a backlight a major procedure? |
| 19:14.27 | Jayce^ | hardwarewise, yes it could be.. very major |
| 19:14.38 | Jayce^ | but it could also be software problems.. |
| 19:14.52 | Jayce^ | apm maybe telling it to do that.. like when it runs on the battery.. |
| 19:20.16 | han_solo | i thought about that. that's why I reboot, take out the battery and plug in/unplug the power supply. not to mention changing just about everything in bios. even the boot splash screen doesn't come up. |
| 19:20.47 | han_solo | i can see the display dimly at just the right angle so I know it's not the lcd itself - it's the backlight |
| 19:23.05 | han_solo | maybe I'll take out the battery and let the cmos forget everything, then turn it on and leave it at the grub screen and see if I can reproduce it. would that be sufficient to determine that it's hardware? |
| 19:23.33 | Jayce^ | my dell had a problem like that twice, where the cable from the main part of the laptop going to the lcd would get partially unplugged |
| 19:23.56 | Jayce^ | I tested mine also by just pluggin in an external monitor.. |
| 19:27.49 | han_solo | yeah that's a good idea too. so, if it is hardware am I better off giving the laptop back and choosing a different class project, or having it fixed? |
| 19:29.43 | Jayce^ | depends on the problem.. if it's just the cable, you might be able to fix it quickly yourself.. if it's an actual monitor prolem, could cost more than the laptop itself. |
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| 20:51.19 | Mecworks | bbeattie: did you see the top story on slashdot? |
| 20:51.37 | Mecworks | (cheap zaurai) |
| 20:52.17 | Jayce^ | I want one bad |
| 20:52.38 | Mecworks | same here. |
| 20:52.46 | Mecworks | I just can't afford it right now. |
| 20:52.53 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 20:53.03 | Jayce^ | just got a new drive this weekend.. that took all my $$ |
| 20:53.07 | Mecworks | dispite it's cheaposity |
| 20:53.54 | Mecworks | Yea, I need to pick up more wireless hardware first. More antenna designs... |
| 20:54.21 | Mecworks | I'm borrowing riker's 802.11 stuff right now but I think he'll want it back before he leaves for Texas... 8^) |
| 20:54.39 | Jayce^ | probably.. |
| 20:57.49 | bbeattie | Mecworks: ouch, wow. |
| 20:58.52 | bbeattie | well, sad, I got mine for $300 last august.. :-/ |
| 20:59.02 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 21:00.22 | bbeattie | the new 5600 still does not have a usb host addaptor, or faster SD. It's screen brightness issue is fixed though... for $168, it's pretty good.. |
| 21:00.46 | Mecworks | bbeattie: BTW, my latest "seperated element j-pole" antenna has a 4-6dB gain over the quarter wave groundplane antennas I was working with last week...very cool indeed. It's small enough you could make one for your Zaurus. |
| 21:01.24 | bbeattie | oh, wait, the 5500 is $169, not the new 5600 |
| 21:01.44 | bbeattie | mecworks nice, |
| 21:02.07 | bbeattie | mecworks .. problem is, the CF 802.11 card has the antenna built int, |
| 21:02.08 | Mecworks | the Orinoco cards alone have a signal strength of -70dB alone and I'm getting -42dB with the new antennas. |
| 21:02.29 | Mecworks | Yea, you need to find one that has either a connector or one that is modifiable. |
| 21:02.53 | Bonez39 | anyone up for compile question? here's my dilemma: I have compiled 4 kernels for 2.4.20 over the past few days. The most recent won't load, it does a 'kernel panic' when trying to boot |
| 21:03.03 | Mecworks | You could make a pasive radiator but that would not be as effective as an actual connected antenna. |
| 21:03.05 | bbeattie | Mecworks: *nods* I've only seen those for pci and pcmcia cards, I've yet to find one for cf |
| 21:03.13 | Mecworks | bummer. |
| 21:04.11 | Bonez39 | from an earlier conversation.. I checked /lib/modules..and found that the most current verion of 'tulip' is in my 2.4.18 kernel directory...which suggests to me that the newer kernel compiles did not update or integrate that driver as a module along with the kernel compile...does it sound like I am on the right track with this? |
| 21:04.36 | bbeattie | Mecworks: my opinion on the zaurus, is wait for the C700. It's smaller, and right now, the zaurus is a little bit to keep with you all the time. :-) |
| 21:05.04 | Mecworks | cool |
| 21:05.32 | bbeattie | Mecworks: the c700 is about 1/4th to 1/3rd shorter, and more thin. Plus it has a larger keyboard, and a rotatable screen. |
| 21:05.47 | Mecworks | how about host USB? |
| 21:06.47 | Mecworks | Bonez39: sounds like your compile is dying somewhere along the way. |
| 21:07.06 | bbeattie | I don't remember on it. :-/ The Current c700 doesn't have a speaker, but I heard some 4bit? audio done by a hack to the speaker for the beaps ;) I am hoping the model released in the US will have a speaker, and host USB, but that's probably a 20% chance. |
| 21:09.26 | Mecworks | hm |
| 21:09.28 | Mecworks | interesting. |
| 21:09.45 | Mecworks | BTW, I accepted a position at Novell! I'll be starting on the 24th |
| 21:10.08 | Jayce^ | cool.. doing what? |
| 21:10.19 | bbeattie | Mecworks: however, the C700 uses a ?passive? LCD screen, same as laptops, so you can't view it really at all in direct sunlight. |
| 21:10.30 | bbeattie | Mecworks: Nice! :-) |
| 21:10.35 | Mecworks | Yea!!!!! |
| 21:11.04 | Jayce^ | so you going to move to the provo area now? or just commute? |
| 21:11.10 | Mecworks | It's totally cool. May of their departments are hireing Linux savvoy people and porting a lot of their apps to Linux. |
| 21:11.25 | Mecworks | Oh, I bought a condo here last year. |
| 21:11.50 | Bonez39 | how do I track it down? |
| 21:12.03 | Mecworks | s/savvoy/savvy/g |
| 21:12.47 | Mecworks | in the output of the make there should be a Error statement somehwere. You can redirect the build process to a file and then revire it later. |
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| 21:16.26 | Mecworks | s/revire/review/g |
| 21:45.23 | Mecworks | is Bonez39 moving? |
| 21:52.55 | Mecworks | Jayce^: I used to commute for the first half of the time I was at Caldera. I bought a condo in Orem about a year and a half ago. |
| 21:53.09 | Jayce^ | ahh.. |
| 22:06.44 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 22:31.50 | Bonez39 | Mecworks: bonez is staying put..and keeping out of Utah County... |
| 22:32.05 | Bonez39 | how are things at Caldera? |
| 22:38.14 | Mecworks | Don't really know. I was laied off in May. Been doing consulting and looking till now. Just took a job at Novell. |
| 22:39.03 | Bonez39 | Novell is reviving, arent' they? my mother in law had lots of novell stock and she dumped it about a year ago...I think it was a mistake onher part.. |
| 22:45.32 | Mecworks | yea it seemst that they are re-focusing. A lot of Linux direction. They are porting a lot of their technology to linux. I think they will do pretty good. (I hope they do!) |
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| 23:31.31 | Bonez39 | hi Jayce.... |
| 23:31.34 | Bonez39 | back a minute? |
| 23:31.53 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:32.24 | Bonez39 | did you see any of my question about 2.4.20 kernel updating? |
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| 23:32.46 | Bonez39 | I can boot up witha 2.4.20 kernel that I compiled...yet....the networking doesn't work.... |
| 23:32.50 | Bonez39 | welcome back neybar. |
| 23:32.53 | neybar | tnx |
| 23:37.22 | Bonez39 | I have found that the tulip drivers....for the latest few kernel compiles...are old files...as if they haven't been read or changed and yet the one for 2.4.18 which works..and has networking..are currently dated... |
| 23:40.15 | Bonez39 | what I am hoping I could do is to go through and get everything lined up, i.e., sound, networking, scanner support for my HP with scsi card..., etc. ...and then get that all compiled in so that it would work finally... |
| 23:41.40 | Jayce^ | so your tulip driver isn't working with .20? strange |
| 23:42.09 | Jayce^ | did you do it as a module in one, and static in the other? |
| 23:43.02 | Bonez39 | right.... |
| 23:43.28 | Bonez39 | when I compiled 2.4.18 (running debian) I just told apt-get to get it and then I booted up with new 2.4.18 kernel up from 2.2.20... |
| 23:44.11 | Jayce^ | you mean 2.4.20 right? |
| 23:44.36 | Bonez39 | that was it..no selecting of anything...now though....since 2.4.18 is about as high as debian goes with stable release |
| 23:46.10 | Bonez39 | I first had 2.2.20...from woody disk...upgraded to 2.4.18-686 |
| 23:46.56 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 23:46.56 | Bonez39 | I want to get 2.4.20 working... |
| 23:47.35 | Bonez39 | does that make sense? |
| 23:48.04 | Bonez39 | the 2.4.20 will boot...but no networking, no sound, no scanner, no lots of things...which should be there..andworking.. |
| 23:49.08 | Jayce^ | right, you sure you selected the right options when configuring it? |
| 23:49.19 | Jayce^ | did you use menuconfig, xconfig or what? |
| 23:53.32 | Bonez39 | no, likely that's where I went wrong.. |
| 23:53.36 | Bonez39 | I used menuconfig... |
| 23:54.01 | Bonez39 | I know though, that despite my looking, I couldn't find anything with 'tulip' in it, in the networking section |
| 23:54.27 | Jayce^ | there are two that mention it, but in the descriptions.. DEC tulip and something else.. |
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