| 01:22.22 | *** join/#utah fuglv_ (~chatzilla@delta-36.sisna.com) |
| 01:22.43 | hans | you made it |
| 01:22.53 | fuglv_ | yep |
| 01:23.24 | fuglv_ | I went on as fuglv just before i disconnected, and it was still on apparently, because it made me fuglv_ |
| 01:24.30 | hans | so, when you try mozilla mail it gives up too easily? Has anyone seen mozilla mail timeout before the server has a chance to respond? |
| 01:25.38 | fuglv_ | it's like as soon as I click on the inbox there's no delay before it gives the error that it can't contact the server. |
| 01:25.57 | hans | do other internet things work at that point? |
| 01:26.24 | fuglv_ | what do you mean at that point? |
| 01:26.51 | hans | well, is it right after you connect or is it after you've confirmed your connection is working? |
| 01:27.19 | fuglv_ | when it can't connect to the mail server, I can browse and stuff just fine. |
| 01:27.41 | fuglv_ | at least what can be expected on a slow connection. |
| 01:27.41 | hans | hmm |
| 01:28.18 | fuglv_ | but the time I tried it again and it connected, I had just directed a browser window to www.fugal.net |
| 01:28.30 | fuglv_ | probably 4 secs before. |
| 01:29.03 | hans | maybe try pinging mail.fugal.net next time it happens and see if that fixes it for that session. does it ever revert back to not working during a connection? |
| 01:29.58 | hans | has anyone here ever done VPN? |
| 01:30.13 | fuglv_ | I don't know, I haven't ever been on that long and using the mailer. |
| 01:30.24 | fuglv_ | what's VPN? |
| 01:30.36 | fuglv_ | very poky network? |
| 01:31.44 | hans | virtual private network |
| 01:32.18 | hans | basically, you set up a tunnel so that your (laptop|workstation|whatever) appears to be on the same network as another box |
| 01:33.27 | fuglv_ | aah |
| 01:33.32 | fuglv_ | I remember now. |
| 01:33.41 | fuglv_ | it's what your doing with fugal.net |
| 01:33.54 | fuglv_ | well, I gotta go get ready for institute. |
| 01:33.57 | hans | not really |
| 01:34.10 | hans | but I'd like to try it, so I can get to my home box from the outside world |
| 01:34.11 | fuglv_ | then what? |
| 01:34.45 | fuglv_ | ok, ic. |
| 01:35.08 | fuglv_ | well, talk to ya later. let me know if you figure anything out. |
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| 01:37.17 | hans | brailsmt: how goes the battle? |
| 01:38.12 | brailsmt | i found the stupid errors i was having with malloc()/free() |
| 01:38.42 | brailsmt | today while I was in 404, that is :) |
| 01:39.02 | hans | i love laptops. :) what was it? |
| 01:39.43 | brailsmt | a memcpy |
| 01:40.14 | brailsmt | i changed a memcpy(str1, str2, 8) to strcpy(str1, str2) and now it works... |
| 01:40.55 | brailsmt | and in 5 minutes I had erase and delete working, and an hour later mkdir is 80% complete... |
| 01:41.06 | brailsmt | its like a dam breaking... |
| 01:41.23 | brailsmt | too bad it took days... |
| 01:41.47 | hans | yeah. hate bugs like that that hold everything up |
| 01:42.16 | hans | i'm on the tcp marathon. I'd really like to be done by tomorrow |
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| 01:48.46 | hans | wb |
| 01:48.48 | brailsmt_ | that was strange... |
| 01:49.06 | brailsmt_ | i had this in my code which is what was causing the problem... |
| 01:50.24 | brailsmt_ | "memcpy(origcpy, orig, 8);...tmp = strtok(origcpy, ".");...memcpy(fname, " ", 8); memcpy(fname, tmp, strlen(tmp)); |
| 01:50.27 | brailsmt_ | " |
| 01:50.56 | brailsmt_ | the subtlty being final memcpy if the string did not contain a "." |
| 01:50.56 | hans | strtok is destructive, isn't it? |
| 01:51.09 | brailsmt_ | hans: that is why i did origcpy... |
| 01:51.17 | hans | oh yeah |
| 01:52.10 | brailsmt_ | if origcpy did not contain a ".", then strlen(tmp) was 14 |
| 01:52.39 | brailsmt_ | and it would copy 14 chars into fname, when fname was malloc'd to be 8 bytes... |
| 01:53.11 | hans | ahh |
| 01:53.16 | brailsmt_ | so free segfaulted because it was passed a pointer to memory that was not allocted via malloc |
| 01:54.01 | brailsmt_ | what was odd, is that i thought strtok returned the string untouched if the token was not found... and origcpy was null terminated... |
| 01:54.25 | brailsmt_ | so strlen(tmp) should have returned the size of te null terminated string... |
| 01:54.35 | brailsmt_ | blah, blah, it was subtle... |
| 01:54.41 | hans | is orig a 7-char string with a 0 in the 8th bit? |
| 01:55.12 | brailsmt_ | no it was up to 12 chars long plus the \0 |
| 01:55.24 | brailsmt_ | 8.3 filename |
| 01:55.28 | hans | pues. |
| 01:55.40 | brailsmt_ | hablas espanol? |
| 01:55.43 | hans | claro |
| 01:55.59 | brailsmt_ | i didn't know :) |
| 01:56.47 | hans | origcpy has 8 bytes of the filename, and it isn't null-terminated unless you did origcpy[8] = 0; |
| 01:57.30 | hans | that's probably why strtok was going past the 8th byte |
| 01:57.58 | brailsmt_ | yeah, the orig filename is null terminated |
| 01:58.11 | hans | what's the difference between pthread_cond_init and sem_init ? |
| 01:58.42 | brailsmt_ | so i thought, tmp = strtok("foo", "."); would make tmp = { 'f', 'o', 'o', '\0' } |
| 01:59.13 | brailsmt_ | which was a false assumption... |
| 01:59.21 | brailsmt_ | and assumptions are the worst things to debug... |
| 01:59.22 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 01:59.23 | hans | it would, because "foo" is a constant null-terminated string |
| 01:59.41 | brailsmt_ | ok, bad example... |
| 02:00.28 | brailsmt_ | i thought that strtok would segfault if the string passed in was not null terminated, so that is why i was so surprised that it didn't... |
| 02:01.18 | brailsmt_ | hans: i don't know the difference between the two... you checked the man pages? |
| 02:01.23 | hans | memcpy(foo,"foobarbajunkjunk",8); tmp=strtok(foo,'.'); then tmp[8] == 'j' and who knows where it is null terminated |
| 02:01.33 | hans | well it looks like one is pthreads and the other POSIX |
| 02:02.04 | hans | but I'm not sure what implications one has over the other. haven't we been using pthreads in these labs thus far? the writeup says see sem_post which is POSIX |
| 02:03.03 | hans | strtok may segfault, since you might be running off into unkown territory - but it by no means must. It'll just merrily run along until it finds the null termination |
| 02:03.06 | brailsmt_ | i don't know if they are compatible... yeah, the first lab at least used pthreads not posix threads |
| 02:03.32 | hans | c string functions are funny that way. they have absolutely no bounds checking |
| 02:03.49 | brailsmt_ | hans: you see, i wish i had that clarity back before i ran into this bug... of course i do now :| |
| 02:04.09 | hans | :) next time, gadget... |
| 02:04.10 | brailsmt_ | too bad my assumptions kept getting in the way of the solution... |
| 02:05.06 | brailsmt_ | i was ok, that strok and memcpy is just fine because strtok will segfault if it isn't null terminated, and since it isn't segfaulting, tings must be fine with this part of the code... |
| 02:05.25 | brailsmt_ | ^-- bad debugging style |
| 02:05.30 | brailsmt_ | :| |
| 02:05.33 | hans | heh |
| 02:07.09 | brailsmt_ | i repeated that to myself over and over and over while walking through the code... |
| 02:07.19 | hans | hmm. this thing on the web says the p in pthreads stands for posix |
| 02:07.44 | brailsmt_ | then i 404 i thought "hrmm, lets check the length of tmp just for fun..." |
| 02:07.49 | brailsmt_ | voila! |
| 02:08.24 | hans | man I really need to get my motorcycle fixed |
| 02:09.51 | brailsmt_ | and then i went up the bonneville shoreline trail until i felt like my lungs were going to burst into flames and start a huge forrest fire... |
| 02:10.18 | brailsmt_ | all in all it was a 20 mile ride... it felt good |
| 02:11.01 | brailsmt_ | my new brakes work incredibly well too, i was impressed at just how well... |
| 02:11.13 | hans | not too impressed I hope |
| 02:11.33 | brailsmt_ | i nearly did an endo when i squeezed a little harder just to see what would happen... |
| 02:13.27 | brailsmt_ | it is s disc brake on the front wheel, it is a completely different feel than normal rim brakes, i was apprehensive since the disc brakes seem to need more power to brake at lower speeds, but i was quite impressed at how little i had to squeeze the brake lever to get significant braking power at higher speeds... |
| 02:13.57 | brailsmt_ | anyway... |
| 02:29.35 | hans | http://www-itec.uni-klu.ac.at/~harald/bs2002/unixthreads2.pdf <-- quite good threads slides |
| 02:31.22 | hans | incidentally, sem_ and pthread_cond are both posix, but they aren't the same. i.e. semaphores are different than condition variables |
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| 04:24.48 | Bradipo_ | I heard of an IT position opening up in Draper if anyone is interested. |
| 04:25.12 | kryptik | Mmm. |
| 04:25.14 | kryptik | Doing what |
| 04:25.35 | Bradipo_ | Managing 3 NT servers, an OpenBSD firewall and a RedHat server. |
| 04:26.25 | hans | Bradipo_: time frame? |
| 04:26.34 | hans | long-term/short-term? |
| 04:26.35 | Bradipo_ | As in how long, or when is it available? |
| 04:26.40 | hans | both |
| 04:26.46 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, not sure. |
| 04:26.52 | Bradipo_ | I believe the position is currently available. |
| 04:27.22 | hans | I've got next to no time until the end of april, then I want to work full-time for the summer |
| 04:29.29 | Bradipo_ | Let me get the contact information... |
| 05:28.36 | Bradipo_ | If anyone is interested, I have the job description and also some contact information. |
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| 05:31.57 | hans | Bradipo I'm interested in reading the descr. at least |
| 05:33.17 | Bradipo_ | ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/users/b/bradipo/private/JDesc_MISeng.pdf |
| 05:41.32 | hans | thx |
| 05:41.34 | hans | night |
| 06:35.55 | brailsmt | hallelujah!!! FAT lab is in the bag :) |
| 06:36.07 | Bradipo_ | Congrats. |
| 06:36.33 | brailsmt | its only like 3 days late :( |
| 06:36.44 | Bradipo_ | Heh. |
| 06:37.14 | brailsmt | but i learned to use splint, which is very handy |
| 06:37.33 | Bradipo_ | What is splint? |
| 06:38.06 | brailsmt | splint is lint |
| 06:38.07 | brailsmt | :) |
| 06:38.19 | brailsmt | static syntax checker for C/C++ |
| 06:38.34 | brailsmt | far more rigorous than the compiler |
| 06:38.34 | Bradipo_ | Oh. |
| 06:38.38 | Bradipo_ | Well, I knew what lint was. |
| 06:38.42 | brailsmt | ok |
| 06:38.46 | brailsmt | www.splint.org |
| 06:38.49 | Bradipo_ | Didn't know that splint was lint. |
| 06:38.58 | brailsmt | splint checks security stuff too |
| 06:39.16 | brailsmt | that is what the 's' is in splint... :) |
| 06:39.31 | Bradipo_ | Ahh, nice. |
| 06:39.52 | brailsmt | the best part is that in vim you just have to type ":compiler splint" then ":make" and you can jump to the errors that splint returns :) |
| 06:40.35 | brailsmt | of course even with that, it takes hors to go through the output... |
| 06:40.38 | brailsmt | :| |
| 06:41.02 | brailsmt | i literally spent 2.5 hours on a 1000 line c file... |
| 06:41.49 | brailsmt | but the reward was that it found 4 memory leaks, and helped solve the problem i had been having for the previous 6-7 hours... |
| 06:42.04 | brailsmt | and those are 4 memory leaks that valgrind did not catch... |
| 06:42.31 | Bradipo_ | That's excellent. |
| 06:42.52 | Bradipo_ | I'll have to try it sometime. |
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| 07:08.19 | brailsmt | howdy kryptik |
| 07:08.34 | brailsmt | you serious about wanting to go mountain biking sometime? |
| 07:08.37 | kryptik | Hey there. |
| 07:09.10 | kryptik | Yea. |
| 07:09.13 | kryptik | I really am. |
| 07:09.55 | brailsmt | if this weather holds for a week or so more than some of the lower elevation trails will be ridable... |
| 07:10.05 | brailsmt | i rode to bridal veil falls today |
| 07:10.32 | kryptik | Sweet. |
| 07:10.33 | brailsmt | and then i rode the Bonneville shoreline trail for a little while |
| 07:10.41 | brailsmt | it was still muddy though... |
| 07:10.51 | brailsmt | not too bad though |
| 07:10.54 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 07:11.11 | kryptik | you thinking of hookin up sometime and doing some trails? |
| 07:11.23 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 07:11.54 | kryptik | Sweet. |
| 07:12.18 | kryptik | Well lets plan a date sometime, and see what we can do. |
| 07:13.11 | brailsmt | ok, i would say this saturday, but my wife would not like that... |
| 07:13.30 | brailsmt | how about next saturday, weather permitting |
| 07:13.49 | kryptik | Lets see. |
| 07:16.06 | kryptik | Actually, my bike is in clearfield. I will have to get my mom down here. Other than that, it sounds good. |
| 07:17.10 | brailsmt | you don't need a killer bike, just anything with 26" wheels will do just fine... |
| 07:17.27 | brailsmt | i saw a $5000 bike today... |
| 07:17.33 | kryptik | Wow |
| 07:17.41 | brailsmt | it was amazing... |
| 07:17.45 | kryptik | Was it one of those electric mountain bikes |
| 07:17.46 | kryptik | ? |
| 07:18.02 | brailsmt | no, it was a downhill monster |
| 07:18.32 | brailsmt | the fork has over 12" of travel, and the rear probably had 8-10" inches of travel... |
| 07:18.56 | brailsmt | it had huge disc brakes, massive tires, the thing looked awesome |
| 07:19.10 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 07:19.17 | kryptik | So did the price, apperantly. |
| 07:19.35 | brailsmt | i saw a big downhill bike for sale that was called Quasi-Moto... very aptly named |
| 07:20.09 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 07:20.16 | brailsmt | it wieghed like 60 pounds... |
| 07:20.36 | brailsmt | my bike is heavy and it weighs about 30 |
| 07:21.10 | kryptik | Wow. |
| 07:21.17 | kryptik | I think mine is about 18 |
| 07:21.31 | kryptik | Cant really remember. I havent ridden a bike in years.. no doubt |
| 07:22.01 | kryptik | s/no doubt/no jokoe |
| 07:22.06 | kryptik | joke* |
| 07:22.11 | kryptik | I am not really with it today.. |
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| 07:28.55 | HarleyPig | W00T! |
| 07:29.02 | kryptik | Wb HarleyPig |
| 07:29.12 | HarleyPig | Thanks. It's good to be connected again. |
| 07:29.23 | HarleyPig | My wife says I've been reborged. |
| 07:29.46 | HarleyPig | Heh ... I should tell her I've been borged again. |
| 07:29.54 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 07:30.14 | kryptik | You have been assimilated.. resistance is futile. |
| 07:31.25 | brailsmt | memcpy(someone_you_hate, "assimilated", 3) |
| 07:31.27 | brailsmt | :) |
| 07:32.16 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 07:32.27 | kryptik | heh. |
| 07:34.19 | brailsmt | i had a boss once that loved to say "Don't assume anything. What are the first 3 letters of assume?" it annoyed me to death... |
| 07:34.28 | kryptik | Brb |
| 07:35.36 | brailsmt | he also thought that this was hilarious "Me am sofa king we tawd did" |
| 07:35.50 | brailsmt | he set all his passwords to sofaking... |
| 07:35.54 | brailsmt | idiot... |
| 07:48.47 | HarleyPig | A little bitter are we? :> |
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| 16:05.17 | bonez39 | greetings, hans. |
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| 16:11.50 | fugalh | hello |
| 16:21.43 | bonez39 | got a minute? my printing is toasted again.. |
| 16:21.55 | bonez39 | I ended up wiping out my drive and reinstalling from scratch.. |
| 16:22.05 | bonez39 | now, when I try to print, I just get page after blank page... |
| 16:22.48 | fugalh | can you give more details about how you have it set up? |
| 16:23.29 | bonez39 | not sure..I have used CUPS In the past, but when you came over and worked on it, you disabled cups and ran lrp-ng or something similar... |
| 16:23.39 | bonez39 | it was working fine until the reinstall... |
| 16:23.56 | bonez39 | I have tried printing from Abiword, from Openoffice...neither of which work.. |
| 16:24.22 | fugalh | lprng is what I set up |
| 16:25.10 | fugalh | apt-get install lprng printtool |
| 16:25.14 | fugalh | then run printtool |
| 16:27.16 | fugalh | i'm reading a textbook with my laptop in the 'background', and I just about pressed space to get to the next page |
| 16:32.13 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 16:35.27 | bonez39 | here's another question for ya...I backed up my /home directory before reinstalling debian..I have the tarball copied back from the network drive...how do I extract just my /.evolution directory...to /home so that evolution will run with everything as it was before? |
| 16:35.45 | bonez39 | I have read the man page for tar but can't figure out how to extract just that subdirectory.. |
| 16:43.37 | fugalh | i think "tar xzvf your_home_tar.tar.gz .evolution" should do the trick, but try it out in a test directory first |
| 16:50.07 | kryptik | Wow.. its amazing how many people can turn and hate you, as soon as you start saying the "elizibeth smart" case, was staged. |
| 16:50.45 | fugalh | what makes you believe it was? |
| 16:51.17 | kryptik | Nah, I am not sure.. but the whole thing feels fake to me. |
| 16:51.45 | fugalh | of course it does. you've heard about it through the mass media, and everything the media tells us seems fake because we don't trust them. |
| 16:52.17 | kryptik | Well yes, but living where the crime happened, you will tend to hear more truth than false. |
| 16:52.36 | fugalh | likely |
| 16:52.54 | Bradipo | I'm not going to believe anything until there is concrete answers. |
| 16:53.00 | Bradipo | s/is/are/ |
| 16:53.05 | kryptik | Bradipo: I agree. |
| 16:53.23 | kryptik | But I hate it when people for these hard ass assupmtions, and dont want to believe anything else. |
| 16:53.31 | kryptik | form* |
| 16:54.00 | Jayce^ | I think one thing that makes it hard to follow, is that the police have a lot of things they can't say about it yet.. |
| 16:54.11 | kryptik | Thats true. |
| 16:54.17 | Jayce^ | since they might be used in a case, might relate to other people out there, and such.. |
| 16:54.34 | kryptik | Yup. |
| 16:55.11 | fugalh | kryptik: but to believe it is fake is an assumption itself. |
| 16:55.20 | kryptik | My cousin is set out to prove me wrong.. she thinks that because they are LDS they wouldnt pull a scam. |
| 16:55.27 | fugalh | innocent until proven guilty |
| 16:55.49 | kryptik | fugalh: I never said it was fake.. I said I wasnt sure if it was real or not. |
| 16:56.32 | fugalh | ah, well there's the difference. I don't know (or really care) enough to say one way or the other, and that's the stand I take. |
| 16:56.56 | kryptik | Sure.. |
| 16:57.03 | kryptik | I guess I do to. |
| 16:57.17 | fugalh | but don't underestimate the illogicity of wackos |
| 16:57.53 | kryptik | Heh |
| 16:57.59 | fugalh | or the psychological impact that she probably has felt. the unexplicable can be very explicable once you've had a bit of experience with that sort of stuff |
| 16:58.17 | Bradipo | Whether or not it is ``faked'' it was still wrong of that man. |
| 16:58.19 | kryptik | fugalh: If infact, she was truly taken. |
| 16:58.34 | Jayce^ | yeah, who knows what they did to the mind of a 14 year old.. pretty impressionable. |
| 16:58.35 | Bradipo | He has no business walking around with a 14 year old girl that isn't his own. |
| 16:59.02 | Bradipo | Grown men are supposed to know better. |
| 16:59.08 | kryptik | Bradipo: Uh.. well if it was staged, I think he would have had permission from the father. |
| 16:59.26 | Jayce^ | supposedly the guy has been shown to be a failing mental case.. |
| 16:59.36 | fugalh | i fail to see the motive for him to stage it |
| 16:59.49 | fugalh | of course I have already said I don't follow this case closely |
| 16:59.55 | Bradipo | Me too, but even then, a guy would have to be nuts to go along with the staging in the first place. |
| 17:00.03 | kryptik | fugalh: The father promised her fame.. to any extent. |
| 17:00.13 | kryptik | Bradipo: Yup. |
| 17:00.25 | kryptik | I really dislike the father.. |
| 17:00.44 | fugalh | oh I see. if I tell a 14 year old she'll get worldwide fame she'll willingly hang out in the house and not show her face for nine months |
| 17:01.03 | fugalh | teenagers are pretty good at not wanting to stay at home |
| 17:01.36 | Jayce^ | plus, letting her go to san diego with a drifter? no father could really want to do that.. |
| 17:02.15 | kryptik | Jayce^: Not true.. there are plenty of people who would let it happen. |
| 17:04.11 | fugalh | kinda far-fetched isn't it? kidnapping is much less so |
| 17:05.29 | levi | I think the idea that it was staged is ridiculous. Not impossible, but pretty darned unlikely. |
| 17:05.39 | kryptik | fugalh: Yea, it is. And I dont really have that much supporting it, but there are a couple things that just dont make sense yet. They point to a staged act, but at the same time it is all outweighed by the support of a real kidnapping. |
| 17:05.49 | Jayce^ | I thought the possibility of being a runaway was much more likely.. |
| 17:06.02 | kryptik | I just want to keep an open mind.. and its hard to do when all these people 'know' what happened. |
| 17:06.20 | Jayce^ | but then I see the guy, and her action while they were gone, and I don't see that as really happening.. |
| 17:06.33 | kryptik | Jayce^: What about the sister who reported the break in? |
| 17:07.04 | Jayce^ | what about it? |
| 17:07.40 | kryptik | If she ran away, why would the sister tell her parents she saw a man enter the room and threaten them while taking elizibeth. |
| 17:07.52 | fugalh | kryptik: indeed there are likely many who are overconfident about what happened. there usually are about anything. That doesn't mean what they think happened didn't happen though |
| 17:08.11 | Jayce^ | a) coulda been a friend helping her get out, coulda helped her.. but still I think it being a kidnapping outweighs the if's |
| 17:08.51 | kryptik | fugalh: Oh, I know.. but they are so into that mindset, and they dont want to believe or even listen to facts that prove otherwise. |
| 17:09.06 | kryptik | Jayce^: It does. |
| 17:09.17 | fugalh | (warning: I love playing the devil's advocate and will think up counter-arguments to just about anything that someone has a strong opinion on until they demonstrate the sanity of their position) |
| 17:09.33 | Jayce^ | I think the biggest doubts I get are just from the stupid mass-media... I definately dislike them.. |
| 17:09.56 | fugalh | "Knowing what you know now..." :) |
| 17:09.58 | kryptik | Jayce^: Dont we all. |
| 17:10.02 | kryptik | Lol |
| 17:10.05 | kryptik | That guy got fired. |
| 17:10.11 | neybar | I seriously doubt it was staged. |
| 17:10.12 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 17:10.21 | Jayce^ | 'that guy?' |
| 17:10.33 | Jayce^ | oh yeah... that was hilarious.. |
| 17:10.57 | neybar | I will agree that the dad seems really fake when ever I see him on the news, but I don't think that means that his was all staged |
| 17:10.57 | kryptik | Jayce^: There was a reporter that asked, "Knowing what you now know, would you have looked into emanual's case more?" Or something close to that. |
| 17:11.05 | Jayce^ | right... moron.. |
| 17:11.41 | kryptik | neybar: I agree he is fake, and I dont think that that means it was staged, but it is a factor you must take in to play, when trying to find out the truth. |
| 17:12.03 | Jayce^ | I think the police have a much more open mind than the media |
| 17:12.13 | kryptik | The should. |
| 17:12.39 | neybar | the media is really screwing this whole thing up. You get completely different stories depending on what channel you want to watch |
| 17:12.47 | kryptik | Yup. |
| 17:13.15 | kryptik | Like the supposed kidde pron circle? |
| 17:13.17 | fugalh | the daily universe has reached new levels of incompetence |
| 17:13.24 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 17:13.35 | fugalh | one article today was cut off in the middle of a sentence and I couldn't for the life of me find the end of it |
| 17:13.36 | neybar | and that is surprising? |
| 17:13.57 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 17:15.03 | fugalh | neybar: no. ;) yesterday's edition had a timeline of events. "march 12: elizabeth smart was found in the suspect's car when pulled over at a traffic light" or something like that. early reports were like that but by 7:00 wed night the walking on state street was pretty much common established knowledge. |
| 17:15.20 | kryptik | Yup. |
| 17:16.02 | neybar | not that the daily univers was ever good, but I stopped reading it when eric snider left and it was dissapointing when they stopped the column on the campus police |
| 17:16.48 | kryptik | Why would there be a column on the campus police> |
| 17:16.52 | fugalh | well, I still need my foxtrot and dilbert fixes |
| 17:16.53 | kryptik | s/>/? |
| 17:17.08 | Jayce^ | just get them online |
| 17:17.31 | neybar | I don't remember what it was called, but it was really funny. They would report all the dumb things that students had done the previous week. |
| 17:17.34 | fugalh | i hate popup and even non-popup ads on web pages more than I dislike the DU |
| 17:17.42 | fugalh | police beat |
| 17:17.47 | neybar | yeah |
| 17:18.08 | neybar | in soviet russia... |
| 17:18.59 | fugalh | russia? |
| 17:19.32 | kryptik | Du? |
| 17:19.39 | neybar | in soviet russia the pop-ups turn you off... lame /. humor... |
| 17:19.47 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 17:19.53 | kryptik | heh. |
| 17:34.16 | levi | I loved police beat |
| 17:34.26 | kryptik | He talks! |
| 17:34.34 | levi | Anyone remember the story of the girl who got in a Jeep and realized later it wasn't hers? |
| 17:34.42 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 17:35.03 | kryptik | Uh.. she got in a jeep with someone else? Or she just got in a jeep? |
| 17:35.38 | neybar | I think I vaguely remember something like that. |
| 17:36.05 | levi | She got in a Jeep that looked like hers, but belonged to someone else. The key worked and everything. |
| 17:36.11 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 17:36.42 | levi | Anyway, I ended up meeting that girl by random chance later on. She was a friend of one of my roommates. |
| 17:36.43 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 17:36.51 | kryptik | Sweet. |
| 17:37.04 | levi | That is my random police beat story. :) |
| 17:37.46 | kryptik | I wish I had one. |
| 17:38.18 | kryptik | Maybe I could make one up..! |
| 17:41.01 | neybar | lol |
| 17:50.08 | fugalh | good weekend all |
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| 19:09.01 | bonez39 | how do I find the print spool and clear it? when I turn my printer on it want's to print about 50 pages...blank pages... |
| 19:09.20 | bonez39 | I installed printtool... |
| 19:09.35 | bonez39 | tried running it but not sure if I have it set up right..will do some reading |
| 19:10.27 | fugalh | lprm will remove a print job from the queue |
| 19:10.32 | fugalh | maybe it has options to remove all jobs... |
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| 23:37.21 | brailsmt | i remember a police beat from my freshman year ('93)... |
| 23:37.33 | brailsmt | it was a report of a streaker seen in the RB |
| 23:38.05 | Jayce^ | RB? <- non-byu person obviously.. |
| 23:38.09 | brailsmt | they gave the description as like 'white male, early 20's, no clothes |
| 23:38.22 | brailsmt | Richard's Building -- the big PE building... |
| 23:38.29 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 23:39.15 | brailsmt | my freainds and i thought "Gee, i bet with that description, they will catch him in no time... |
| 23:39.46 | brailsmt | just randomly visit male dorms in the early morning, and walk in the showers... |
| 23:40.35 | brailsmt | chance are pretty high, that you will find an early 20's white male with no clothes... |
| 23:41.36 | Bradipo | I was in Italy in '93 so it wasn't me. :-) |