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`03:42.19`	`TimRiker`	`~hth`
`03:42.36`	`TimRiker`	`~hth it Hope This Helps`
`03:42.39`	`TimRiker`	`~hth is Hope This Helps`
`03:42.40`		`TimRiker: okay`
`03:46.07`	`fugalh`	`~star wars`
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`03:47.15`	`kryptik`	`~wwjd is What Would Jesus Do`
`03:47.16`		`okay, kryptik`
`03:47.54`	`kryptik`	`~isf`
`03:48.04`	`kryptik`	`~isf is Ibot Smells Funny`
`03:48.05`		`okay, kryptik`
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`04:13.42`	`Bradipo_`	`Is it cool up there?`
`04:16.39`	`Bradipo_`	`Ahh, why would it freeze up?`
`04:30.42`	`TimRiker`	`anyone here work for LNXI?`
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`05:09.05`	`TimRiker`	`ibot convert 40 winks to minutes`
`05:09.18`	`TimRiker`	<ibot> Unknown unit `winks' hehe
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`05:40.19`	`Mecworks`	`hm. Anyone see the top story on slashdot? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/07/0234251&mode=nested&tid=136&tid=106&tid=123`
`05:40.47`	`Mecworks`	`I actualy new that something like this was about to happen but didn't know details. Very interesting.`
`05:41.41`	`TimRiker`	`~slashdot`
`05:41.42`	`Bradipo_`	`I don't know what to say about it, and in fact, am unable to do so.`
`05:42.17`	`Bradipo_`	`Except we were told that big news was coming...`
`05:42.25`	`Bradipo_`	`I didn't know it was going to be this`
`05:43.03`	`TimRiker`	`http://www.studiotailors.com/ <- heh`
`05:44.12`	`Bradipo_`	`Hmm, where have I seen that page before? :-)`
`05:45.01`	`Mecworks`	`Yea. Hm. This is going to be interesting. I better start whiping out the pen and write up another sllug article...`
`05:45.21`	`Mecworks`	`So, is there a virtual host misconfigured on the plug server?`
`05:45.24`	`Bradipo_`	`SLLUG article about what?`
`05:45.52`	`Mecworks`	`just a pointer to the SCO story. like all the others that have been posted. Local linux news, etc.`
`05:46.11`	`Mecworks`	`short - maybe a paragraph/`
`05:47.10`	`TimRiker`	`Mecworks: I presume that's the old PLUG server. The pages just have not ever been nuked.`
`05:47.21`	`Mecworks`	`I see.`
`05:47.37`	`Mecworks`	`Yea, the new one runs slash or something similar doens't it`
`05:47.38`	`Mecworks`	`?`
`05:48.21`	`Bradipo_`	`Well, this one locked up my browser...`
`05:48.23`	`Bradipo_`	`Probably the java.`
`05:50.18`	`TimRiker`	`http://news.com.com/2100-1016-991464.html?tag=fd_top <- my view has an IBM add in the middle. ;-)`
`05:51.00`	`Mecworks`	`that's funny...`
`05:51.29`	`Mecworks`	`mine has U of Phoenix - not as funny.`
`05:59.10`	`Bradipo_`	`Mine has U of Phoenix...`
`06:02.25`	`Mecworks`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:03.27`	`Mecworks`	`then followed up with: "It's a fairly end-of-life move for the stockholders and managers of that company," said Jonathan Eunice, an Illuminata analyst. "Really what beat SCO is not any problem with what IBM did; it's what the market decided. This is a way of salvaging value out of the SCO franchise they can't get by winning in the marketplace."`
`06:03.42`	`Bradipo_`	`Yeah, I've been reading some of the comments.`
`06:03.48`	`Bradipo_`	`None have been terribly interesting.`
`06:04.08`	`Bradipo_`	`Some have been funny though.`
`06:04.11`	`Mecworks`	`yea. Thoes quotes are from the article on cnet.`
`06:04.21`	`Bradipo_`	`Oh really?`
`06:04.37`	`Jayce^`	`yeah`
`06:04.44`	`Mecworks`	`yup`
`06:04.51`	`Bradipo_`	`Hmm, what I meant was, these were also quoted in Slashdot...`
`06:04.54`	`Bradipo_`	`And then commented.`
`06:04.57`	`Jayce^`	`Linux itself likely won't be directly affected, Eunice predicted.`
`06:05.05`	`Bradipo_`	`I don't think it will.`
`06:05.26`	`Jayce^`	`why would you even want to be quoted talking about linux/unix, when your name is Eunice ?`
`06:05.46`	`Mecworks`	`I hope not. But the first quote says that IBMs contributions to Linux could be in jeprody. That could be alot of kernel and libc code.`
`06:05.47`	`Bradipo_`	`I found that amusing as well.`
`06:06.03`	`Bradipo_`	`I guess that remains to be seen.`
`06:06.13`	`Bradipo_`	`I don't know what code might have been donated.`
`06:06.14`	`Mecworks`	`yea`
`06:06.37`	`Jayce^`	`lookd kinda like BSA tactics to me`
`06:06.57`	`Jayce^`	`"Companies that switch from competing in the marketplace to trying to enforce their basic patents and intellectual is a style of conducting business that isn't very conducive to getting a lot of business partners," Eunice said.`
`06:07.07`	`Jayce^`	`"But it's always worked for microsoft..."`
`06:07.30`	`Mecworks`	`heh...`
`06:07.57`	`Bradipo_`	`Hmm, I think BSA tactics are worse... :-)`
`06:08.29`	`Bradipo_`	And it's always worked for IBM I'm sure---they do, after all, have the ``biggest patent portfolio.''
`06:08.53`	`TimRiker`	`http://rikers.org/tmp/add.png <- It's flash, but that's the final screen.`
`06:08.56`	`Jayce^`	`yeah, but lately they haven't been strongarming... but I bet they will on sco now..`
`06:09.25`	`Mecworks`	`TimRiker: that's funnty.`
`06:09.33`	`Mecworks`	`I mean funny...`
`06:09.45`	`Bradipo_`	`That's also an interesting advertisement.`
`06:09.46`	`Mecworks`	`I don't know what funnty means.`
`06:10.01`	`Jayce^`	`"It is not possible for Linux to rapidly reach Unix performance standards for complete enterprise functionality without the misappropriation of Unix code, methods or concepts to achieve such performance"`
`06:10.32`	`Jayce^`	`<sco>"No way, linux couldn't get that good that quick.. open source doesnt' really work!!"</sco>`
`06:10.42`	`Bradipo_`	`I wonder if our mail server is going to get hammered with lame slashdot posters. :-)`
`06:10.45`	`TimRiker`	`~dict funnty`
`06:11.03`	`Mecworks`	`I think they're wrong but that's the attitude and thinking SCO higher-ups have.`
`06:11.14`	`Jayce^`	`Bradipo_: just hope you aren't running an unpatched sendmail :)`
`06:11.16`	`TimRiker`	`~spell funnty`
`06:11.17`		`possible spellings for funnty: funny Fundy funned fount finny font fund funnily Fanny fanny finite finned funky fusty runty unity faint feint flinty funner funnel`
`06:11.29`	`TimRiker`	`runty, yeah that's it.`
`06:11.38`	`Bradipo_`	`Jayce^: The day I run sendmail will be the day I stop caring about email. :-)`
`06:11.40`	`Mecworks`	`I think it's a combination of all the above meanings.`
`06:11.45`	`Bradipo_`	`We run qmail on our MX.`
`06:12.01`	`Bradipo_`	`I'm not worried in the slightest.`
`06:12.30`	`Mecworks`	`Are you feeling funnty?`
`06:12.34`	`Bradipo_`	`But then again, who knows, maybe DJB is a sell out to IBM and they keep him around for just these occasions. :-)`
`06:12.46`	`Jayce^`	`hehe`
`06:12.57`	`Bradipo_`	`Anything is possible when conspiracy theory is brought into the picture.`
`06:13.31`	`Bradipo_`	`By the way: http://www.inter7.com/ <-- has pretty impressive numbers.`
`06:13.32`	`Mecworks`	`I find conspiracy theories to be very funnty.`
`06:13.35`	`Jayce^`	`gahh.. I've had it with the conspiracy theories that keep getting mentioned in /. comments.. especially those relating to iraq et al`
`06:13.52`	`Bradipo_`	`Heh, I don't read it often enough to notice I guess.`
`06:14.08`	`Bradipo_`	`Or maybe I just have my filter set high enough that I don't see the majority of lame postings.`
`06:14.38`	`Bradipo_`	`Funny reading about patents: http://cr.yp.to/patents.html`
`06:15.02`	`Bradipo_`	Well, the ``Dear Ms. Tarzian'' section is anyway.
`06:15.55`	`Bradipo_`	`lol`
`06:16.15`	`Bradipo_`	`http://cr.yp.to/patents/tarzian.html is what I meant to post.`
`06:16.37`	`Bradipo_`	`He was on a roll there for a while.`
`06:16.44`	`Bradipo_`	`Had an idea a day.`
`06:16.58`	`Bradipo_`	`I personally like the Google Caller ID.`
`06:19.27`	`Bradipo_`	`But you kind of have to read the first one to make any sense of it all.`
`06:37.57`	`Mecworks`	`You have to read them in funnty order or it doesn't make sense.`
`06:39.51`	`TimRiker`	`but where's the replies?`
`06:40.00`	`TimRiker`	`er where are...`
`06:42.21`	`Mecworks`	`Yes. I was wondering the same thing...Where are thoes funnty replies!`
`06:45.54`	`TimRiker`	`probably waiting for a release statement from the university.`
`06:48.12`	`Mecworks`	`~funty is funny Fundy funned fount finny font fund funnily Fanny fanny finite finned funky fusty runty unity faint feint flinty funner funnel`
`06:48.12`		`okay, Mecworks`
`06:48.49`	`Mecworks`	`ibot: forget funty`
`06:48.49`		`i forgot funty, Mecworks`
`06:48.55`	`Mecworks`	`~funnty is funny Fundy funned fount finny font fund funnily Fanny fanny finite finned funky fusty runty unity faint feint flinty funner funnel`
`06:48.56`		`okay, Mecworks`
`06:50.28`	`Mecworks`	`~convert funties to barleycorns`
`06:50.51`	`Mecworks`	`hm....unknown unig funties...`
`06:51.16`	`Mecworks`	`convert barleycorns/sec to lightyears/minute`
`06:51.26`	`Mecworks`	`~convert barleycorns/sec to lightyears/minute`
`06:51.59`	`Mecworks`	`~convert barleycorns to parsecs`
`06:52.26`	`Mecworks`	`hm. That is good to know.`
`07:07.54`	`TimRiker`	`~convert parsecs to terabarleycorns`
`07:08.52`	`TimRiker`	`~convert parsecs to zettabarleycorns`
`07:09.11`	`TimRiker`	`~convert parsecs to exabarleycorns`
`07:09.21`	`TimRiker`	`woohoo. ;-)`
`07:09.58`	`Mecworks`	`Saweet!`
`07:10.00`	`TimRiker`	`~convert zettabarleycorns to miles`
`07:10.27`	`TimRiker`	`~convert zettamicrons to miles`
`07:10.53`	`TimRiker`	`sheesh`
`07:11.01`	`Mecworks`	`8^)`
`07:11.26`	`Mecworks`	`~convert zettaangstroms to barleycorns`
`07:12.07`	`TimRiker`	`~google for zettaangstroms`
`07:12.14`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`07:12.18`	`Mecworks`	`ibot is very funnty`
`07:12.19`		`Mecworks: i haven't a clue`
`07:12.33`	`Mecworks`	`ibot, what is funnty?`
`07:12.34`		`[funnty] funny Fundy funned fount finny font fund funnily Fanny fanny finite finned funky fusty runty unity faint feint flinty funner funnel`
`07:13.34`	`TimRiker`	`http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictZ.html -> zettameter (Zm) a metric unit of distance equal to 1021 meters or 1018 kilometers. One zettameter equals about 32.408 kiloparsecs (kpc) or 105 702 light years. This is a little more than the diameter of the Milky Way galaxy in which we live.`
`07:14.08`	`TimRiker`	`that's 10^21 or 10^18`
`07:16.04`	`Mecworks`	`cool.`
`07:16.17`	`Mecworks`	`ibot: barleycorn?`
`07:16.17`		`from memory, barleycorn is It is remembered that the Iron Ulna of our Lord the King contains three feet and no more; and the foot must contain twelve inches, measured by the correct measure of this kind of ulna; that is to say, one thirty-sixth part [of] the said ulna makes one inch, neither more nor less.... It is ordained that three grains of barley, dry and round make an inch, twelve inches make a foot; three feet make an ulna...`
`07:17.19`	`Mecworks`	`~convert kiloparsecs to barleycorns`
`07:19.15`	`Mecworks`	`So, an ulna is a yard?`
`07:19.28`	`Mecworks`	`~convert ulnas to yards`
`07:19.40`	`Mecworks`	<ibot> Unknown unit `ulnas'
`07:21.04`	`TimRiker`	`~dict ulna`
`07:21.44`	`Mecworks`	`Hm. That makes sence...Well, it's time for this funnty barleycorn to hit they hay. Nighty night...`
`07:22.56`	`TimRiker`	`nite`
`07:28.25`	`TimRiker`	`conver rod to inches`
`07:28.30`	`TimRiker`	`~convert rod to inches`
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`15:13.34`	`Mecworks`	`gutten morgen minasan.`
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`16:30.41`	`neybar`	`~Jayce^`
`16:30.41`		`[jayce^] the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge.`
`16:31.30`	`Mecworks`	`~TimRiker`
`16:31.31`		`methinks bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming`
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`16:55.12`	`fugalh`	`~hans`
`16:55.23`	`fugalh`	`~hans is`
`16:57.27`	`kryptik`	`Heh.`
`17:09.34`	`fugalh`	`my brother that just got home off his mission is now sitting down to watch fellowship`
`17:09.58`	`Mecworks`	`where'd he go>?`
`17:10.07`	`fugalh`	`fresno, cambodian speaking`
`17:10.09`	`Jayce^`	`hehee..`
`17:10.12`	`Mecworks`	`8^)`
`17:10.15`	`Jayce^`	`good first movie..`
`17:10.23`	`fugalh`	`yeah, no kidding. :)`
`17:10.29`	`Mecworks`	`it'll blow him away...`
`17:10.37`	`kryptik`	`:)`
`17:10.52`	`Mecworks`	`You guys should come over to my place. I have a 10ft screen... 8^)`
`17:11.06`	`fugalh`	`then tomorrow he'll be in civilsation (I don't think vernal counts) and we'll go see TT in the theater. :)`
`17:11.39`	`Jayce^`	`10ft? what resolution is your projector :)`
`17:11.45`	`Jayce^`	`you hoser ..`
`17:11.48`	`Mecworks`	`it's a CRT projector.`
`17:11.50`	`kryptik`	`I was born in vernal`
`17:11.55`	`fugalh`	`is the century 16 theater in slc a good theater? or are we better off going to jordan landing?`
`17:11.59`	`Jayce^`	`ahh, you built one of those? how's it work?`
`17:12.18`	`Mecworks`	`not built, it has three guns, RGB.`
`17:12.23`	`Mecworks`	`s-video in`
`17:13.19`	`kryptik`	`Yea, but does it curve around to the sides of the room to give you the perspective of being in the movie?`
`17:13.21`	`Mecworks`	`home theater, with lovesac, couch, 5.1, 12" infinity subs, etc...rackmount audio...I'm spoiled`
`17:13.31`	`kryptik`	`Heh.`
`17:13.31`	`Mecworks`	`I wich....`
`17:13.32`	`Jayce^`	`no kidding.`
`17:13.33`	`fugalh`	`man, I guess`
`17:13.56`	`Jayce^`	`Mecworks must not be married..`
`17:14.10`	`Mecworks`	`I used to work at Promised Valley Playhouse and when they closed it, they sold me a lot of audio equipment for very little.`
`17:14.14`	`fugalh`	`so, uh, Mecworks ... got an old tv in storage somewhere that just works ya wanna give to a guy with a tv that doesn't quite work?`
`17:14.19`	`kryptik`	`Heh.`
`17:14.39`	`kryptik`	`I think you should!`
`17:14.40`	`Mecworks`	`Oh yea, I'm still looking for a wife along with my search for a job.`
`17:15.17`	`Mecworks`	`no TV....just the projector.`
`17:16.00`	`Jayce^`	`heh.. I've still got a 12" or so tv I bought when I was a freshman... got my atari 2600 hooked up to it..`
`17:16.10`	`Mecworks`	`The projector is from the U of Utah. They are remodeling their rooms and putting in LCD projectors and selling the old ones for about $250. I figured that I'd pay more for a TV...`
`17:16.42`	`Jayce^`	`yeah, that isnt' bad.. you know if they have more?`
`17:17.39`	`Mecworks`	`They get some in once in a while. The problem is that they go fast (as you can imagine). I used to work at the U and would check their "property redistribution" center once or twice a month. Thats where I got my rack.`
`17:18.18`	`kryptik`	`Heh.`
`17:18.35`	`Mecworks`	`http://www.mecworks.com/graphics/images/Server.jpg`
`17:18.54`	`Mecworks`	`This was in my ld place.`
`17:19.07`	`Mecworks`	`s/ld/old/g`
`17:19.28`	`Mecworks`	`8^)`
`17:19.37`	`Mecworks`	`that, I paid full price for...`
`17:20.12`	`fugalh`	`I got mine at a bargain`
`17:20.22`	`kryptik`	`I stole mine.`
`17:20.25`	`Mecworks`	`8^)`
`17:20.26`	`fugalh`	`;-)`
`17:20.48`	`Mecworks`	`My first one got stollen while I was studying at the U.`
`17:20.52`	`kryptik`	`Acutally, I got mine for 50 bucks at utilitix`
`17:20.59`	`kryptik`	`That sucks`
`17:21.15`	`Mecworks`	`Yea, back when they were $250.00`
`17:21.22`	`Mecworks`	`Its' an SX`
`17:21.54`	`Mecworks`	`I made modified SmithCorona RAM cards because I couldn't afford to buy the real ones.`
`17:21.59`	`kryptik`	`Maybe your the one I got mine from lol`
`17:22.05`	`Mecworks`	`8^)`
`17:22.18`	`Jayce^`	`got mine from my sister-in-law, when she changed from a math major.. traded an old 386-sx laptop for it`
`17:22.28`	`Jayce^`	`this was back in 94`
`17:22.34`	`Mecworks`	`not unless it has "Marc Christensen...": etched in the back with a soldering iron...`
`17:23.01`	`kryptik`	`Uh, let me look`
`17:23.14`	`kryptik`	`nope, not there... it appears I etched my name over it :)`
`17:23.42`	`Mecworks`	`8^)`
`17:25.33`	`fugalh`	`mine's a gx. great story. a guy I worked with won one - but he already had one (and didn't want to reprogram, transfer stickers, whatnot)`
`17:25.53`	`Mecworks`	`cool.`
`17:26.02`	`fugalh`	`so he was going to sell the new one on ebay. But I talked him into selling it to me. about $100 iirc`
`17:26.16`	`Mecworks`	`that is a good deal`
`17:26.38`	`fugalh`	`yeah. that's what you pay for the lower-end hps. I was in the market for one anyway, so it worked out nicely`
`17:27.23`	`Mecworks`	`Yea. It's sad that HP shutdown their calc devision. I beleive they made the best calcs hands down.`
`17:27.31`	`Jayce^`	`oh yeah... rpn baby`
`17:28.23`	`Mecworks`	`Oh yea...`
`17:28.59`	`fugalh`	`maybe all the rpn-loving geeks have an hp`
`17:29.24`	`Jayce^`	`probably..`
`17:29.27`	`Mecworks`	`Yea, the one I use is x48 with a dump of my calc's ROM.`
`17:30.15`	`fugalh`	`haven't seen x48. is it good?`
`17:32.16`	`Mecworks`	`It's an HP48 emulator and actualy uses the ROM from your calc. It has a scanned image of the calc as it's UI. So, it's essetialy the same. It even has full 256k ram cards emulated and seiral support for both the IO port and the IR port which can be directed to psuedo tty or a real serial port.`
`17:32.48`	`Mecworks`	`It's acutaly a CPU emulator`
`17:32.58`	`Mecworks`	`and the ROM actualy runs in it's VM`
`17:33.14`	`Jayce^`	`probably runs a bit faster then 'eh?`
`17:33.29`	`Mecworks`	`yup...didn't use to back in the 486 days...`
`17:34.12`	`kryptik`	`486 days!? that was my first computer and only two years ago`
`17:36.02`	`Mecworks`	`yea, you'll mostlikey have to build it. I build RPMs at one point. I don't know if I still have them. You could used alien to install them or just build your own debs.`
`17:36.18`	`fugalh`	`wow, I found an x48 for mac os 1.2`
`17:36.37`	`Mecworks`	`check at http://www.hpcalc.org/`
`17:36.48`	`Mecworks`	`wow`
`17:37.35`	`Jayce^`	`80-90GB of traffic a month... wow..`
`17:37.35`	`fugalh`	`oh wait, that's x48 version 1.2 for mac os. phew`
`17:37.39`	`Jayce^`	`for that kind of site that is..`
`17:38.02`	`fugalh`	`i have a friend I've been trying to convert to linux`
`17:38.22`	`fugalh`	`he loves (and programs) his hp 48, and loves dos (because he hates windows and hasn't gotten to linux yet)`
`17:38.41`	`fugalh`	`this might be just the gimmick.:)`
`17:38.55`	`Mecworks`	`goes to show how popular HP calcs are...`
`17:40.12`	`levi`	`HP Calcs rule. :)`
`17:40.56`	`Bradipo`	`I like my HP too, and the HP emulator on *nix is also cool.`
`17:51.17`	`Mecworks`	`the guy at hpcalc.org has CDRs of the site content for $20.00. Not listed on his site but you can email him for details.`
`17:53.46`	`Jayce^`	`nice`
`17:54.23`	`kryptik`	`I hate arguing about religion...`
`17:54.31`	`Jayce^`	`VI!!!!`
`17:54.34`	`Jayce^`	`PERL!!`
`17:54.43`	`kryptik`	`Heh.`
`17:54.50`	`kryptik`	`you win..`
`17:55.23`	`fugalh`	`10000000.times do puts "RUBY!"; end`
`17:55.49`	`kryptik`	`actually`
`17:55.54`	`kryptik`	`fugalh wins`
`17:56.13`	`Jayce^`	`for(..) {print "Perl!\n"}`
`17:57.42`	`Jayce^`	`what's the vim command to write out a vimrc based on your current settings?`
`17:57.59`	`Jayce^`	`set my colorscheme and vars how I like it, now I want to keep it that way`
`17:59.43`	`levi`	`main() {for (;;) printf("C!\n");}`
`18:06.32`	`fugalh`	`:he mkvimrc`
`18:30.19`	`Mecworks`	`The latest: SCO threatens to revoke IBM's AIX license: http://www.forbes.com/2003/03/07/cx_ld_0307sco.html`
`18:30.32`	`kryptik`	`Good for them`
`18:30.44`	`Mecworks`	`I don't know what to say...`
`18:30.47`	`kryptik`	`or you.. who ever it was that worked for them`
`18:31.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Why good?`
`18:31.50`	`kryptik`	`Just cause I dont like IBM very much.`
`18:31.55`	`Mecworks`	`I am holding my oppinions in regard to any news about SCO/Caldera (good or bad).`
`18:32.05`	`Mecworks`	`I actualy like IBM quite a bit.`
`18:32.23`	`kryptik`	`I dont, I used to.. but lately I just dont care for them as much.`
`18:32.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I don't see anything wrong with IBM - they have been good for Linux`
`18:33.10`	`kryptik`	`Yea, I guess.`
`18:33.50`	`Mecworks`	`In fact, they have given a lot back to Linux in the form of kernel code and glibc not to mention the applications they are porting and writting for Linux.`
`18:34.38`	`CosmicPenguin`	`And the fact that they can make money with Linux means there is hope for the rest of us`
`18:34.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Not to mention that I like hearing the word "Linux" mentioned in commercials... :)`
`18:35.07`	`kryptik`	`Dont we all.`
`18:35.43`	`kryptik`	`I guess they have done well with linux. Perhaps I am to hard on them..`
`18:36.56`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kryptik: they are the faceless corporation that will chew you up and spit you out`
`18:37.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`That hasn't changed`
`18:37.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`But they have been the only fortune 100 company to take up the open source banner, and for that they deserve props`
`18:39.20`	`kryptik`	`;)`
`18:40.46`	`Jayce^`	`CosmicPenguin: the funny thing is, they were very non-faceless for most employees until more recent times..`
`18:40.54`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I agree`
`18:41.04`	`Jayce^`	`my uncle worked there for ages.. never seen anybody treated better..`
`18:41.20`	`kryptik`	`Brailsmt: I will have my first draft of my ruby/tk guide ready by the next PLUG meeting. I may just stop by and drop it off if your interested.`
`18:41.25`	`kryptik`	`Oh..`
`18:41.29`	`kryptik`	`Hes not even here.`
`18:41.31`	`kryptik`	`IFD`
`18:41.41`	`Jayce^`	`little htings like, if you had a death in the family, then a member of upper management would be there are the funeral with you, no matter where..`
`18:42.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Jayce^: yeah, an old girlfriend's father worked for them, they moved the family to Dallas, bought their old house from them, bought them a new house, moved 'em down there, and gave them extra cash for their troubles`
`18:43.06`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Jayce^: do engineers still need to wear a shirt and tie at IBM? I heard that they phased that part out`
`18:43.35`	`Jayce^`	`dunno.. dont' know anybody there now..`
`18:43.55`	`kryptik`	`I heard the original IBM songbook was for grabs on ebay a few days ago.`
`18:44.28`	`Jayce^`	`yeah, my uncle worked on mainframes there for years (as in when I mentioned the as/400, he said, that wasn't a mainframe, he worked on real systems)`
`18:45.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`System/36 and such`
`18:46.30`	`Jayce^`	`I guess.. saw a few of the books he helped write.. amazing.`
`18:46.45`	`kryptik`	`Sweet.`
`18:46.47`	`Jayce^`	`you never can see your uncle (old guy) being like that..`
`18:49.26`	`CosmicPenguin`	`apt-get rpm is starting to become a liability as I resisting to change to RH 8.0`
`18:50.32`	`kryptik`	`Jayce^: he would have to be old, given your age!`
`18:52.26`	`Jayce^`	`kryptik: well, he was in high school when my mom was in elementary.. so he's real old to me :)`
`18:53.40`	`kryptik`	`:)`
`18:55.29`	`Mecworks`	`CosmicPenguin: isn't apt available for RH now? I heard that is was. People on the SuSE list are using it as well.`
`19:23.54`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Mecworks: oh, its available - its just that updates for 7.34 are coming very slowly`
`19:23.58`	`CosmicPenguin`	`if at all`
`19:24.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Mecworks: and once I start using the 8.0 apt repository, its going to start updating libraries that I don't want updated (ie, gnome, etc..)`
`19:35.41`	`fugalh`	`Jayce^: that's punch`
`19:35.44`	`fugalh`	`er, puncy`
`19:36.31`	`fugalh`	`speaking of punchy`
`19:36.36`	`fugalh`	`can anyone make heads or tails of this?`
`19:36.38`	`fugalh`	`Breakpoint 4, MyParser::ruleMemberField(Set const&, Type*) (this=0x80a4968,`
`19:36.38`	`fugalh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.38`	`fugalh`	`1912 int ioffset = i->getOffset();`
`19:36.38`	`fugalh`	`(gdb) s`
`19:36.40`	`fugalh`	`MyParser::ruleAssignment(Set const&) (this=0x80a4968, follow=@0xbfffe240)`
`19:36.43`	`fugalh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.45`	`fugalh`	`908 check(follow+becomessy, "(option)expected one of (becomessy)");`
`19:37.19`	`fugalh`	`i asked to step into getOffset, and instead I'm thrown into ruleAssignment, which isn't called by this function at all (but I think it indirectly calls this function)`
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`19:42.49`	`fugalh`	`hmm. i guess not initilalizing i could do that.`
`19:43.03`	`fugalh`	`crazy behavior, but then that's what dangling pointers are all about`
`19:43.54`	`brailsmt`	`mmmm...`
`19:47.24`	`fugalh`	`how was class`
`19:47.25`	`fugalh`	`?`
`19:47.38`	`brailsmt`	`i didn't go :)`
`19:47.42`	`brailsmt`	`either`
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`22:23.02`	`Mecworks`	`~convert 1 TimRikers to Bradipos`
`22:23.20`	`Mecworks`	hmm... <ibot> Unknown unit `TimRikers'
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`22:24.41`	`Bradipo`	`~convert 1 etto to pounds`
`22:25.04`	`Mecworks`	`~convert 1 hectar to square barleycorns`
`22:25.04`	`Bradipo`	`~convert help`
`22:25.05`	`Jayce^`	`~convert 1 yard to furlongs`
`22:25.37`	`Mecworks`	`~convert 0.00454545 furlongs to barleycorns`
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`22:32.55`	`albino`	`Anybody here in the Provo LUG?`
`22:33.02`	`Jayce^`	`~Jayce`
`22:33.06`	`Jayce^`	`~Jayce^`
`22:33.07`		`rumour has it, jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge.`
`22:33.12`	`Jayce^`	`:)`
`22:33.47`	`Jayce^`	`think that answers the question.`
`22:34.35`	`Jayce^`	`got a question albino?`
`22:35.48`	`albino`	`Jayce^: Ya, I'm a member of the Logan USU LUG -- We are contemplating writing an open letter to SCO in reguard to the lawsuit against IBM -- I'm want to get all Utah LUGS to sign off on it (After aproval of course) -- would your LUG be interested?`
`22:36.17`	`albino`	`Jayce^: Nothing is written yet, this ides is still in the early formulation process`
`22:36.21`	`Jayce^`	`probably, especially since we're the local LUG.. BYU's UUG might want to look too..`
`22:36.43`	`albino`	`Jayce^: We are also wanting to make sure Bruce Perens gets a look at it before we send it to the press`
`22:36.48`	`Jayce^`	`albino: just email me anything @ jason@plug.org`
`22:37.09`	`Jayce^`	`our meeting is wednesday, so if we have something by then, that would be good..`
`22:37.11`	`albino`	`Jayce^: We figured you guys down there would definetley want to have a say in it`
`22:37.22`	`Jayce^`	`oh yeah..`
`22:37.25`	`albino`	`Jayce^: Okay, I'm actually from Lehi, so I'll plan on coming to your meeting`
`22:37.33`	`Jayce^`	`excellent`
`22:37.38`	`albino`	`Jayce^: And if anything gets written before then I'll drop you an email`
`22:37.45`	`Jayce^`	`perfect..`
`22:38.16`	`albino`	`Jayce^: BYU's LUG is seperate from yours?`
`22:38.21`	`Jayce^`	`we should get our site back up 'real soon now' and should be able to post it there..`
`22:38.50`	`Jayce^`	`yeah... they are a student association group.. we're the wierd non-students, or graduates :)`
`22:38.57`	`Jayce^`	`lot's of cross-pollination though`
`22:39.00`	`neybar`	`speaking of which. have you talked to BBS Jayce^? my wife mentioned that she thought they had the server at their shop now.`
`22:39.23`	`Jayce^`	`neybar: I left a message for trevor.. haven't gotten anything back..`
`22:39.31`	`albino`	`Jayce^: Does yours require a fee or do you guys run off of donations?`
`22:39.52`	`Jayce^`	`we're free... arent' even set up as a non-profit..`
`22:43.37`	`albino`	`Jayce^: Okay cool, thanks`
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