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| 00:25.04 | Bonez39 | anyone? I am curious about setting up my office machine, so that I can log in from home, to it...and run processes on it..... |
| 00:29.55 | Bradipo | Just run SSH |
| 00:30.16 | Bonez39 | that's it< that simple? install and run SSH? |
| 00:30.25 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 00:30.34 | Bradipo | You have to be able to route to that system from home though. |
| 00:30.37 | Bonez39 | i GUESS that implies reading man ssh or whatever the man page is, right? |
| 00:30.48 | Bradipo | And the firewall has to allow port 22 through to your office machine. |
| 00:30.57 | Bradipo | It's probably already setup. |
| 00:31.08 | Bradipo | All modern *nix install SSH by default. |
| 00:31.13 | Bonez39 | well, my system here goes trhough a router, which is DHCP router, assigning the IP address to each machine... |
| 00:31.27 | Bradipo | Is the IP public or is it private? |
| 00:31.35 | Bonez39 | not sure... |
| 00:31.41 | Bonez39 | it's a static IP..... |
| 00:31.49 | Bonez39 | from Qwest... |
| 00:35.39 | Bradipo | What's a static IP? |
| 00:35.49 | Bradipo | The IP of your workstation? |
| 00:36.15 | han_solo | or the router? |
| 00:36.21 | Bonez39 | oh, I meant it's always the same IP address....doesn't change if power goes down, etc.. |
| 00:36.27 | Bonez39 | the router... |
| 00:36.31 | Bradipo | That's fine. |
| 00:36.42 | Bonez39 | each machine gets 10.0.0.2 et al as subnet numbering |
| 00:36.44 | Bonez39 | ok... |
| 00:36.46 | Bradipo | So the IP is a public static IP? |
| 00:36.57 | Bonez39 | I guess so.... |
| 00:37.01 | Bradipo | Or a static private IP? |
| 00:37.13 | Bonez39 | I don't know what public versus private means, with an IP address... |
| 00:37.16 | Bradipo | Private IP addresses mean that they aren't accessible from the outside world except through some kind of NAT. |
| 00:37.19 | Bonez39 | Help me understand |
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| 00:37.30 | Bradipo | IP means that you can access it from anywhere on the Internet (hence public). |
| 00:37.30 | han_solo | sounds like the router has a public ip but then dishes out private addresses to computers on your network |
| 00:37.39 | Bonez39 | I think mine is public... |
| 00:37.54 | brailsmt | anyone know of a good wireless howto? |
| 00:38.02 | han_solo | did you get one brailsmt? |
| 00:38.19 | Bonez39 | however, I know from using IRC that I had to disable remote configuration capabilities on my router...now, to change it I hve toook up to it directly...to change any settings... |
| 00:38.53 | han_solo | Bonez39: are you on the computer in question at the moment? |
| 00:38.56 | brailsmt | han_solo: yeah, I got a pcmcia card and an access point |
| 00:39.02 | han_solo | suhweet |
| 00:39.03 | CosmicPenguin | 10.0.0.X is a non routable IP, btw... its probably not public |
| 00:39.04 | Bradipo | 192.168.0.0/16, 10.0.0.0/8 and 172.16.0.0/12 are private address ranges. |
| 00:39.10 | han_solo | what card? |
| 00:39.11 | CosmicPenguin | heh... beat you.. :) |
| 00:39.24 | brailsmt | netgear wireless card |
| 00:39.31 | brailsmt | linksys wap |
| 00:39.41 | CosmicPenguin | damn... USU Redhat mirror is down |
| 00:39.54 | brailsmt | all said and done it was only 180 with $20 rebate |
| 00:39.56 | Bonez39 | no, on my front office computer...but I can go back there and get on here from that machine...would that help? |
| 00:40.04 | Bradipo | Do you just have one IP address from qwest that is assigned to the router? |
| 00:40.07 | brailsmt | not bad for a complete wireless setup |
| 00:40.23 | Bradipo | It would also help if you know the IP address of the workstation. |
| 00:40.26 | han_solo | no need |
| 00:40.40 | Bradipo | At any rate, if you have public IP addresses then you're set. |
| 00:40.55 | han_solo | brailsmt: what do you need... having just gone through getting one set up |
| 00:41.03 | Bradipo | If you have private addresses inside then you will have to port forward from the router to your workstation since you will be doing NAT. |
| 00:42.00 | brailsmt | han_solo: how do i do it? :) I mean i have pcmcia support in my kernel, and I just installed linux-wlan-ng, what else do i need? |
| 00:43.06 | han_solo | do you have a prism2-based card? |
| 00:43.28 | han_solo | (if so, then linux-wlan-ng is right, otherwise it's not) |
| 00:43.37 | brailsmt | han_solo: i don't know... |
| 00:44.12 | han_solo | lemme boot up the laptop and find the docs I read |
| 00:45.05 | Bonez39 | CosmicPenguin: does that mean I likely CAN NOT access my pc here, running SSH from home? |
| 00:46.48 | han_solo | Bonez39: I think you should be able to. the thing to do is a) tell us what ip address your workstation uses and then possibly b) figure out if you can make your router port-forward (aka NAT) |
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| 00:49.50 | han_solo | brailsmt_: start here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 00:50.07 | han_solo | figure out if your card is supported by the standard kernel modules or if you need linux-wlan-ng |
| 00:50.18 | han_solo | if you use linux-wlan-ng then the docs for that are quite good |
| 00:52.31 | han_solo | what I had to do: compile a kernel with linux-wlan-ng modules and plug it in. if there was more I forget |
| 01:00.22 | Jayce^ | Bonez39: that your email on sllug about wanting to set up the router over wireless? |
| 01:00.26 | Bonez39 | I am on my windows machine now...it's IP is listed in winipcfg as 0.0.0.0 but the DNS server lists the static IP that I have here.. |
| 01:00.37 | Bonez39 | no, that's not my email about wireless |
| 01:01.30 | Jayce^ | k.. just got back, glanced at the conversation, and the email.. presumed. |
| 01:02.21 | han_solo | Bonez39: type this on your workstation |
| 01:02.36 | han_solo | tracerout fugal.net |
| 01:02.44 | han_solo | sorry, make that traceroute |
| 01:02.55 | Bonez39 | ok, on my linux box, right? |
| 01:02.58 | han_solo | right |
| 01:06.24 | Bonez39 | han_solo: essentially it reports: 209.210.58.42 30 hops, 38 byte packet 1: 10.0.0.1 1.312 ms |
| 01:06.31 | Bonez39 | does that look right? |
| 01:06.56 | han_solo | sure. give me the second and third hops too |
| 01:07.12 | Bonez39 | those just diplayed * * * |
| 01:07.15 | Bonez39 | that's it... |
| 01:07.38 | han_solo | what you put here is the whole output? |
| 01:08.42 | Bonez39 | no...it was slowly listing additional numbers 1 * * * then 2 * * * then 3 * * * shall I go on? |
| 01:08.50 | Bonez39 | or did I not wait long enough? |
| 01:09.01 | Bonez39 | I figure it wouldjust continue adding incremental numbers with * * * |
| 01:09.20 | Jayce^ | * * * is bad.. |
| 01:09.29 | Jayce^ | timing out.. not getting responses down the line.. |
| 01:09.29 | Bonez39 | oh, why is that bad? |
| 01:09.30 | CosmicPenguin | That screams NAT |
| 01:09.54 | Bonez39 | oh andI don't want no stinking NAT on my system? |
| 01:10.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, getting it at 1 definately is bad.. |
| 01:10.14 | Jayce^ | I normally get them around alter.net when I have troubles.. |
| 01:10.37 | Bonez39 | I mean, that system runs well, seems to download and upload things rapidly..and never has trouble connecting... |
| 01:11.13 | han_solo | Bonez39: it's not that it effects performance, it just makes it difficult to do things like what you're trying to do |
| 01:11.58 | han_solo | if you can, paste the whole output here |
| 01:12.26 | han_solo | *s can mean firewalls too |
| 01:14.27 | han_solo | e.g. I'm NATted, but I don't have any *s. so it's not one and the same |
| 01:17.37 | Bonez39 | oh, I see....and is the cause of the *** i.e., not reporting information, my router,or modem? |
| 01:17.39 | Bonez39 | or hub? |
| 01:18.15 | Bonez39 | ok, let me run it again,andthen I'll paste it in here.. |
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| 01:25.02 | Bonez39 | han_solo: it displayed pretty much what I typed here before...went to 13 * * * 14 * * * just same thing...does it go like that for 30? since it shows 30 hops? |
| 01:25.54 | Bonez39 | anyone had much luck with parted? |
| 01:26.14 | Bonez39 | when I try to run it, it tells me that every partition I have is screwed up, that the geometry is all wrong, etc.. |
| 01:26.45 | han_solo | ok, well that isn't going to help us |
| 01:29.26 | Bonez39 | I gues not.... |
| 01:29.39 | Bonez39 | strange ... |
| 01:32.13 | Bonez39 | no experienc with parted either? |
| 01:45.25 | brailsmt | ok, at least now i know that it uses wlan-ng :) |
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| 03:22.47 | brailsmt | well, I have my WAP and wireless card communicating... |
| 03:23.18 | brailsmt | at least the logs of the wap show that the MAC of the pcmcia card was connected... |
| 03:23.23 | brailsmt | but nothing else... |
| 03:31.16 | CosmicPenguin | what does iwconfig say? |
| 03:33.16 | brailsmt | iw-what? |
| 03:34.10 | brailsmt | i don't see that anywhere? 'locate iwconfig' gives nothing... |
| 03:34.13 | CosmicPenguin | http://freshmeat.net/projects/wireless-tools/?topic_id=150 |
| 03:37.18 | brailsmt | emerge wireless-tools :) |
| 03:38.36 | CosmicPenguin | whatever works |
| 03:42.28 | brailsmt | iwconfig wlan0 -- doesn't show an ip address... |
| 03:42.55 | CosmicPenguin | what does it show |
| 03:44.35 | brailsmt | wlan0 IEEE 802.11-b ESSID:"" |
| 03:44.35 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.35 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.35 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.35 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.38 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.40 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.43 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.45 | brailsmt | that |
| 03:44.48 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:46.36 | brailsmt | and nothing is shown in ifconfig, either... |
| 03:47.17 | CosmicPenguin | Thats good news |
| 03:47.37 | brailsmt | what is? |
| 03:47.50 | brailsmt | it is connected to the access point... |
| 03:47.54 | CosmicPenguin | Well, you found your AP, and your signal is good |
| 03:48.15 | CosmicPenguin | Now, that points directly at the ol DHCP server as the bad point |
| 03:48.29 | brailsmt | what dchp server? |
| 03:49.06 | CosmicPenguin | the DHCP server is responsible for handing out the IP address |
| 03:49.20 | CosmicPenguin | but I just thought of something else - when you set up your AP, you specified an ESSID, right? |
| 03:50.12 | brailsmt | yes, "linksys" |
| 03:50.30 | CosmicPenguin | ok... you gotta keep that stuff secret though... :) |
| 03:51.25 | brailsmt | oh... |
| 03:51.37 | brailsmt | otherwise ppl will hop onto my network? |
| 03:53.24 | CosmicPenguin | brailsmt: well, determined people can jump on anyway, but if you set a good ESSID, it will keep away your average script kiddie |
| 03:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, you will need to set your ESSID before the network will come up |
| 03:54.04 | CosmicPenguin | this is a PCMCIA card right? |
| 03:54.19 | brailsmt | yes |
| 03:54.38 | brailsmt | i have that set in /etc/conf.d/wlan.conf |
| 03:55.20 | brailsmt | hang on... |
| 03:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | You'll probably need to set it in the pcmcia scripts too |
| 03:59.54 | brailsmt | which ones? I have /etc/pcmcia/wireless and /etc/pcmcia/wlan_ng |
| 04:01.08 | CosmicPenguin | probably wlan_ng.opts - thats what you are using right |
| 04:06.05 | brailsmt | wireless.opts, i think... |
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| 04:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | either one |
| 04:07.07 | CosmicPenguin | or better yet, both |
| 04:07.48 | brailsmt | still nothing... |
| 04:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | does iwconfig show the essid? |
| 04:09.23 | brailsmt | yes |
| 04:09.28 | CosmicPenguin | GOod |
| 04:09.29 | CosmicPenguin | Good |
| 04:09.41 | CosmicPenguin | and you restarted the card? |
| 04:09.48 | brailsmt | yes |
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| 04:15.47 | brailsmt1 | running dhcpcd wlan0 does nothing... |
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| 04:20.12 | Bradipo_ | Hello again. |
| 06:22.36 | brailsmt_ | this wireless card will 1) work or 2) kill me... |
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| 16:24.14 | CosmicPenguin | FVWM? |
| 16:24.29 | han_solo | CosmicPenguin: actually I'm using that already on the laptop |
| 16:24.41 | han_solo | configuring it is too involved though. :( |
| 16:24.45 | han_solo | Way too many options |
| 16:25.00 | han_solo | ion |
| 16:26.13 | han_solo | brb |
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| 16:42.53 | han_solo | So has anyone used ion before? |
| 16:45.25 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry |
| 16:47.48 | han_solo | it's different, but has potential |
| 16:48.28 | han_solo | key points: tiled (no windows overlapping) and completely keyboard-driven (well, maybe you _can_ do some stuff with the mouse but that's not the point) |
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