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| 01:04.57 | brailsmt | mmm... papa murphy's make good pizza |
| 01:05.24 | Bradipo | I used to like Peter Piper Pizza when I was a kid. |
| 01:05.36 | brailsmt | ewwww... |
| 01:05.42 | Bradipo | After having lived in Italy for 2 years I don't like American pizza anymore. :-) |
| 01:05.47 | brailsmt | i used to eat dirt as a kid :) |
| 01:06.22 | brailsmt | uh, after living in Chile for two years I don't like... uhmmm... |
| 01:06.28 | Bradipo | lol |
| 01:06.47 | Bradipo | You don't like eating dirt anymore. |
| 01:06.54 | brailsmt | ...i don't like not eating empanadas on Sept. 18 :) |
| 01:06.59 | Bradipo | Oh... |
| 01:07.15 | Bradipo | There is a place in Orem that made really good empanadas! |
| 01:07.33 | brailsmt | yes they do, and I have been there several times |
| 01:07.41 | Bradipo | Food For Taste? |
| 01:07.53 | Bradipo | Well, the name has changed multiple times, but in my mind it is still Food For Taste. |
| 01:07.57 | brailsmt | the next time you go there get the Pastel de Choclo... it is awesome! |
| 01:08.08 | Bradipo | I've probably had it. |
| 01:08.21 | Bradipo | I ate there all the time when Caldera was on 240 W Center in Orem. |
| 01:08.39 | brailsmt | Bradipo: the one I am thinking of is called "Pomerado" or something like that... it is up by Maceys on 8th north |
| 01:08.48 | Bradipo | Ohh, I know that one too. |
| 01:09.02 | Bradipo | I have been there, but I didn't like it as much as Food for Taste. |
| 01:09.04 | brailsmt | both are good, but the one by Macey's is better |
| 01:09.11 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 01:09.24 | Bradipo | Well, I don't really like Food for Taste anymore. |
| 01:09.39 | Bradipo | They have changed names twice and I think they also changed management and/or the chef. |
| 01:09.50 | brailsmt | Chilean cuisine is not nearly as noted as that of Italy, but they have some gems... |
| 01:10.00 | Bradipo | Like empanadas. |
| 01:10.09 | brailsmt | pastel de choclo is one... |
| 01:10.13 | brailsmt | empanadas are another |
| 01:10.19 | Bradipo | And Churrasco de cebollas. |
| 01:10.38 | brailsmt | and my personal favorite are Humitas, which neither of those places make |
| 01:10.40 | Bradipo | Churrasco con cebollas (maybe). |
| 01:10.45 | Bradipo | Never had them. |
| 01:10.51 | brailsmt | you never will in the US |
| 01:10.57 | brailsmt | and that is sad... |
| 01:11.15 | brailsmt | ears of corn are to small here in the US to make Humitas |
| 01:11.16 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 01:11.28 | Bradipo | Kind of like mozzarella di bufala. |
| 01:11.53 | brailsmt | i have seen buffalo mozarella in the US... |
| 01:12.01 | brailsmt | maybe not the same thing as in Italy though... |
| 01:12.02 | Bradipo | Very rare though. |
| 01:12.08 | Bradipo | Definitely not. |
| 01:12.21 | Bradipo | I have seen it and had it, but it was nowhere near as god. |
| 01:12.25 | Bradipo | s/god/good/ |
| 01:12.45 | brailsmt | i bet you had some good food in italy... |
| 01:12.47 | Bradipo | There is one dish I have never seen here. |
| 01:12.55 | Bradipo | Pasta al nero di seppia. |
| 01:12.56 | brailsmt | i had some really bad food in Chile... |
| 01:13.33 | brailsmt | my all time worst was we lived with this family that owned and ran a farm, so they lived off the land to some degree... |
| 01:13.39 | Bradipo | That's black pasta made with ink from cuttlefish. |
| 01:13.47 | brailsmt | well, one of there crops was Avas... |
| 01:14.10 | brailsmt | So one day for lunch we had a big plate of Avas... |
| 01:14.18 | Bradipo | What is AVas? |
| 01:14.38 | brailsmt | the only way to describe Avas is to imagine a Lima bean about 5 times as large... |
| 01:14.53 | Bradipo | Ahh, maybe the same as a fava in Italy. |
| 01:14.58 | brailsmt | that was it, nothing else, just avas... |
| 01:15.03 | Bradipo | lol |
| 01:15.20 | Bradipo | Spices? |
| 01:15.22 | brailsmt | and of course if we didn't eat she would get offended |
| 01:15.37 | brailsmt | no spices, just some salt... |
| 01:15.39 | brailsmt | no butter |
| 01:15.44 | brailsmt | just avas |
| 01:15.58 | brailsmt | i survived... |
| 01:15.59 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:16.14 | Bradipo | If they are anything like fava (which is a big green been like lima) then they didn't taste very good plain. |
| 01:16.53 | Bradipo | I did have fava, but they were good when made into a pasta sauce (no tomatoes though). |
| 01:17.36 | brailsmt | then there was time when the same Mamita (as we called the people we lived with) made Guata... we ate elsewhere that day... |
| 01:17.56 | brailsmt | have you ever smelled Guata being cooked? |
| 01:18.04 | Bradipo | Maybe, but I doubt it. |
| 01:18.06 | Bradipo | What is guata? |
| 01:18.09 | brailsmt | stomach |
| 01:18.13 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 01:18.24 | Bradipo | Never had the opportunity, fortunately. |
| 01:18.26 | brailsmt | it stinks like crazy |
| 01:18.34 | Jayce^ | heh.. try some brasilian fejoiada.. worse than tripe.. |
| 01:18.40 | Bradipo | There are a number of dishes with trippa and other parts of the stomach in Italy. |
| 01:18.48 | brailsmt | this Mamita was famous in the mission for being a bad cook... |
| 01:18.52 | Bradipo | lol |
| 01:19.30 | brailsmt | though, I happened to be there when peas cae into season... oohh, fresh peas are something else! |
| 01:19.41 | Bradipo | This is true. |
| 01:19.57 | Jayce^ | brasilian fejoiada.. leftover pig parts with beans.. ears (with hair), snout, intestines, feet.. |
| 01:19.58 | brailsmt | we would stay up helping her husk the peas, of course you have to eat them as you husk them :) |
| 01:19.59 | Bradipo | There is a big difference between produce in Italy and here. |
| 01:20.08 | Bradipo | The vegetables and fruits were always freash. |
| 01:20.26 | Bradipo | And seemed to taste better as I recall. |
| 01:20.32 | brailsmt | Chilean produce in unrivaled here... in fact most of the best produce that we buy here in the US is from Chile... |
| 01:20.45 | Bradipo | I don't doubt it. |
| 01:20.46 | Jayce^ | fresh veggies always taste better.. for lots of reasons.. |
| 01:20.50 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 01:20.52 | brailsmt | and i am not talking the stuff at walmart... |
| 01:21.08 | brailsmt | i remember buying a kilo of tomatos for about 2.5 pennies... |
| 01:21.16 | Jayce^ | most produce in the US is picked early, then the color is changed via various means to meet the visual needs.. |
| 01:21.25 | Bradipo | I believe that. |
| 01:21.32 | Bradipo | That's nuts. |
| 01:21.46 | brailsmt | Jayce^: exactly it has to be picked early or else it goes bad by the time it gets to market... |
| 01:21.47 | Bradipo | It's too bad that the people in agriculture sacrifice convenience for quality. |
| 01:22.13 | Bradipo | The problem is that ``the market'' is just too big. |
| 01:22.20 | brailsmt | i remember eating grapes that were bigger than baseballs |
| 01:22.21 | Bradipo | We need local markets. |
| 01:22.27 | brailsmt | s/base/golf |
| 01:22.28 | Jayce^ | yeah, well tomatoes are some of the worst.. they don't ripen off the vine, they are gassed to turn green, via ethanol.. and color change doesn't affect ripening.. |
| 01:22.29 | brailsmt | oops... |
| 01:22.44 | Jayce^ | there are some farmers markets around here.. but not really in the winter.. |
| 01:22.48 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 01:23.14 | Bradipo | We get Rassmussen's corn (up in Draper) every year when it is available. |
| 01:23.16 | Bradipo | It's good stuff. |
| 01:23.17 | brailsmt | i loved the mercados |
| 01:23.22 | Bradipo | Me too. |
| 01:23.36 | brailsmt | some missionaries where ruthless though... |
| 01:24.28 | brailsmt | they would go into a shop and pick up about 450 mil pesos worth of stuff, and offer to pay 250-300 mil pesos, becuase that is a lot of money to those vendors... |
| 01:24.56 | brailsmt | it was a shame really that some of them took advantage of the poor economic situation there... |
| 01:24.57 | Bradipo | That sucks. |
| 01:24.59 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 01:25.09 | Bradipo | You had to be careful in Italy though... |
| 01:25.19 | Bradipo | Sometimes they would try to bargain with you. :-) |
| 01:25.38 | brailsmt | i loved the bargaining... |
| 01:25.46 | brailsmt | it will be useful when buying a car :) |
| 01:25.53 | Bradipo | This is true. |
| 01:26.04 | Jayce^ | very true.. |
| 01:26.47 | brailsmt | i used to be uncomfortable bargaining until i had been in Chile for a few months... |
| 01:27.20 | brailsmt | then i realized that it is normal manner of business there... |
| 01:28.33 | brailsmt | anyway, what I really want to do is take my mountain bike down there and mountain bike in the beautiful Andes |
| 01:29.32 | Bradipo | I just want authentic Italian food. :-) |
| 01:30.44 | brailsmt | Bradipo: go to chef school :) |
| 01:31.02 | Bradipo | Don't think so. |
| 01:31.04 | brailsmt | you mean Macaroni Grill isn't authentic!! |
| 01:31.08 | brailsmt | *gasp* |
| 01:31.35 | Bradipo | I haven't figured out which if the *Italian* restaurants is worse, but then again, I won't eat there either. |
| 01:31.49 | Bradipo | La Dolce Vita is about the closest you'll get. |
| 01:31.55 | brailsmt | olive garden probably has to be the least authentic |
| 01:32.04 | Bradipo | There used to be an excellent restaurant in Provo called Dal Fornello. |
| 01:32.16 | brailsmt | just like Los Hermanos ahs to be the least authentic mexican restaurant |
| 01:32.19 | Bradipo | It was definitely authentic and very vrey good. |
| 01:32.26 | Bradipo | Or Taco Bell. :-) |
| 01:32.33 | brailsmt | i stand corrected :) |
| 01:32.48 | brailsmt | ok, so the second least authentic :) |
| 01:33.23 | brailsmt | Betos is really good mexican food... their bean burritos are heavenly |
| 01:34.35 | brailsmt | their breakfast burritos (at least the one i had) are gross... |
| 01:34.36 | Bradipo | I like Betos. |
| 01:34.36 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:34.42 | Bradipo | Which one did you have? |
| 01:34.48 | brailsmt | steak and egg |
| 01:34.51 | Bradipo | I have had most of them and thought they were all decent. |
| 01:35.17 | Bradipo | My favorite dish there is the Carne Asada plate (number 12). |
| 01:35.28 | brailsmt | mine is the bean burrito... |
| 01:35.35 | Bradipo | In fact, we went there for lunch today. |
| 01:35.48 | Bradipo | Really? You might as well just go buy a can of refried beans and have that... |
| 01:35.49 | brailsmt | it is a shame, IMO, to go there and not get a bean and cheese burrito... |
| 01:35.49 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 01:36.19 | Bradipo | The Quesadilla con Carne Asada is good too. |
| 01:36.57 | brailsmt | canned refried beans is to betos beans as dog poo is to filet mignon :) |
| 01:37.08 | Bradipo | True, the beans there are good. |
| 01:37.40 | brailsmt | anyway... there other food is really good to |
| 01:37.55 | Bradipo | Just about all of their burritos are good. |
| 01:38.13 | brailsmt | my 5 year old is playing "Potato Guy" on KDE and loving it :) |
| 01:38.34 | brailsmt | i am surprised she can use the trackball as well as she does... |
| 01:39.26 | Bradipo | Maybe they are easier to use. |
| 01:39.42 | brailsmt | maybe |
| 01:42.04 | fugalh | i think so |
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| 01:46.53 | brailsmt | argh... |
| 01:46.58 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:30.25 | fugalh | how to test a regular expression on the command line? |
| 02:30.39 | fugalh | i.e. the equivalent of $1 =~ m/some regex/ |
| 02:31.19 | brailsmt | fugalh: irb |
| 02:31.39 | fugalh | looking for a non-scripting language solution. ;-) |
| 02:31.39 | brailsmt | oh i think i misunderstood |
| 02:31.47 | brailsmt | sed |
| 02:32.05 | fugalh | right, i thought, but I don't see how |
| 02:32.12 | brailsmt | echo $1 | sed '...' |
| 02:32.17 | fugalh | I just want a simple yes or no. I don't want to do substitution or anything |
| 02:32.57 | brailsmt | echo $1 | sed '/regex/ Q' |
| 02:33.04 | brailsmt | i think that will work... |
| 02:33.13 | brailsmt | it will exit as soon as te regex is found |
| 02:33.33 | fugalh | Unknown command: ``Q'' |
| 02:34.08 | fugalh | q |
| 02:34.21 | brailsmt | 'q'? |
| 02:34.45 | brailsmt | i was just looking at 'man sed' |
| 02:35.02 | brailsmt | oh, try this |
| 02:35.08 | brailsmt | echo $1 | sed '/regex/ {Q}' |
| 02:36.52 | brailsmt | works here |
| 02:37.18 | brailsmt | echo "foo" | sed "/foo/ { Q }" |
| 02:37.22 | brailsmt | echo $? => 0 |
| 02:37.49 | fugalh | $ echo "foo" | sed "/foo/ { Q }" |
| 02:37.49 | fugalh | sed: -e expression #1, char 9: Unknown command: ``Q'' |
| 02:38.23 | brailsmt | sed 4.0.5? |
| 02:38.37 | fugalh | GNU sed version 3.02 |
| 02:38.51 | brailsmt | i have 4.0.5, that is probably the difference... |
| 02:43.09 | fugalh | here's a better way |
| 02:43.12 | fugalh | expr foo : foo |
| 02:43.33 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.33 | fugalh | 0 |
| 02:43.41 | fugalh | expr foo : f.* |
| 02:43.42 | fugalh | 3 |
| 02:45.47 | brailsmt | where'd you get that/ |
| 02:45.57 | brailsmt | s#/#?# |
| 02:45.59 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:46.05 | fugalh | man expr |
| 02:46.19 | fugalh | thanks to the see also section at the end of man sed |
| 02:46.30 | brailsmt | nice |
| 02:47.08 | brailsmt | not at the bottom of my sed manpage... :| |
| 03:07.04 | fugalh | good thing you have friends like me then |
| 03:08.04 | brailsmt | yup, I always need freinds with outdated sed versions :) |
| 03:08.12 | fugalh | or updated man pages |
| 03:08.19 | brailsmt | comes in very handy at times :) |
| 03:08.20 | fugalh | debian maintainers have a way of making documentation better |
| 03:08.34 | brailsmt | s/bet/lat/ |
| 03:08.37 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:13.57 | fugalh | hmm |
| 03:13.59 | fugalh | $ expr "foo" : "^foo" |
| 03:13.59 | fugalh | expr: warning: unportable BRE: `^foo': using `^' as the first character |
| 03:13.59 | fugalh | of the basic regular expression is not portable; it is being ignored |
| 03:14.08 | fugalh | how else can you do that? |
| 03:18.03 | brailsmt | uh... good question |
| 03:18.26 | brailsmt | '^' is pretty standard... |
| 03:18.56 | brailsmt | i mean recognized properly |
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| 19:42.37 | kryptik | wb |
| 19:44.20 | kryptik | Mmm. New lucent wireless card. Now I can set up that wireless IRC server to use on the trip to Defcon!! |
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| 19:48.49 | Jayce^ | so TimRiker.. you going to use that snowboarding engine for a project now? |
| 19:50.13 | kryptik | When is the next PLUG |
| 19:50.33 | Jayce^ | tonight |
| 19:50.47 | kryptik | ugh. |
| 19:50.55 | Jayce^ | Thomas wiest gave out the information on the list last week if you need to get the info about what it is on.. |
| 19:51.06 | kryptik | I dont think i can come. |
| 19:51.19 | Jayce^ | slacker |
| 19:51.20 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:51.43 | kryptik | Heh, nah.. I just need to coordinate my plans with brian. Hes my ride. |
| 20:04.43 | TimRiker | Jayce^: would make an interesting BZ game huh? ;-) |
| 20:05.03 | TimRiker | "tanks in the halfpipe" |
| 20:06.49 | TimRiker | http://www.gigaparts.com/ts2000/qrz4.php <- free ham radio drawing. |
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