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| 00:32.02 | brailsmt | fugalh: we just got our taxes done... i will definately be getting a wireless card |
| 00:32.18 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 00:32.35 | brailsmt_ | anyone here use portsentry? is it any good? |
| 00:33.35 | fugalh | cool |
| 00:34.09 | brailsmt_ | this distcc is simply the most awesome thing I have ever seen |
| 00:34.38 | brailsmt_ | well...on a computer that is |
| 00:58.02 | fugalh | what is it? |
| 01:01.06 | brailsmt_ | for the whole story distcc.samba.org |
| 01:01.24 | brailsmt_ | it distributes compiles over machines in a network |
| 01:01.36 | fugalh | oic |
| 01:01.51 | brailsmt_ | so i can compile things on my 300MHz much faster :) |
| 01:01.59 | fugalh | :) |
| 01:02.28 | fugalh | so, source distro gurus, is there any power-savings advantage to them source distros (ie for laptop)? |
| 01:02.43 | fugalh | (power-saving after the compiling is done, obviously) |
| 01:02.52 | brailsmt_ | i don't know :) |
| 01:03.34 | brailsmt_ | i do know that i doubt i would have ever gotten power management working without a compile from source distro |
| 01:03.53 | fugalh | why? |
| 01:04.21 | brailsmt_ | i was really apprehensive with messing with the kernel until i had to do it for gentoo, now it is no big deal... |
| 01:04.42 | brailsmt_ | most precompiled kernels come with APM compiled in the kernel |
| 01:04.44 | fugalh | oh. Well kernels are old hat for me. ;-) |
| 01:04.48 | brailsmt_ | this laptop uses acpi |
| 01:05.19 | fugalh | you haven't lived until you've tried to compile a window manager on HP-UX 9 |
| 01:05.49 | brailsmt_ | i guess there is an advantage if you consider that it is easier to get the latest patches to a kernel, and therefore possibly run a more current kernel with better power saving features.. |
| 01:06.13 | brailsmt_ | though, that is probaby not the case with debian |
| 01:07.05 | brailsmt_ | one guy i talked to at the booth today, just could wrap his brain around the idea of software free of charge |
| 01:07.08 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 01:07.12 | brailsmt_ | poor soul... |
| 01:07.13 | fugalh | yeah. and I could always set up a cron job to get the up-to-the-day kernel source if I felt like it, in much less time than it takes to compile a source distro. :) |
| 01:07.24 | fugalh | hehe |
| 01:08.29 | brailsmt_ | debian has compiled up-to-the-day kernels in apt? |
| 01:08.30 | fugalh | i don't recall ever having trouble with that concept. The fact that it was legal all of a sudden to have cool software for free was a nice change though. |
| 01:08.45 | fugalh | no, that's why I'd have to write a script |
| 01:08.50 | brailsmt_ | oh... |
| 01:08.51 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 01:09.00 | fugalh | but I bet the latest kernel revisions aren't very lagged in unstable |
| 01:09.03 | fugalh | but I run testing |
| 01:09.18 | brailsmt_ | i had a hard iem with the idea that it was ok to have free software... like you |
| 01:09.27 | brailsmt_ | s/iem/time |
| 01:09.28 | fugalh | I think a script to grab changelogs would be more practical. :) |
| 01:09.39 | fugalh | i didn't have a hard time. just a nice warm feeling. |
| 01:09.53 | fugalh | i didn't have a hard time when it wasn't ok, though... |
| 01:10.05 | fugalh | although I did register shareware that I liked |
| 01:10.12 | brailsmt_ | oh, it always had this nagging thought "is this really ok with everyone?" |
| 01:10.25 | brailsmt_ | s/it/I |
| 01:10.49 | fugalh | i guess I was exposed to enough freeware that it was just an extension |
| 01:11.39 | brailsmt_ | not to mention that it was strange to have quality free software... windows shareware has the stigma that it somehow second rate |
| 01:12.15 | brailsmt_ | i mean quality in the non cs404 sense :) |
| 01:12.57 | fugalh | yeah, that was a pleasant and refreshing discovery |
| 01:13.17 | brailsmt_ | and that was back in the kde1.0 days... :) |
| 01:13.27 | brailsmt_ | it is *much* better now than then |
| 01:14.14 | fugalh | of course, the longer I use *NIX the more I believe that for the most part the good ol' programs have more Quality than the newer stuff |
| 01:14.37 | fugalh | windowmaker, vim, etc. |
| 01:15.07 | brailsmt_ | now i understand why kde takes so stinking long... kde only lacks a kernel |
| 01:15.44 | brailsmt_ | i used to really like wmaker... i feel constrained now when i use it |
| 01:16.29 | brailsmt_ | the only thing i miss is the easy ability to bring apps to the front... |
| 01:16.59 | brailsmt_ | wmaker is pretty lightweight... |
| 01:17.12 | brailsmt_ | s/pretty.very |
| 01:17.15 | fugalh | yeah, but I'm thinking the old-school look and feel |
| 01:17.26 | fugalh | windowmaker isn't old-school enough. :) |
| 01:18.01 | brailsmt_ | go with console with only green on black, or orange on black :) |
| 01:18.06 | fugalh | if waimea or fluxbox had some program that would emulate the NeXT dock (think wmaker, afterstep, osX), then I'd go with one of those |
| 01:18.19 | brailsmt_ | the dock or the clip? |
| 01:18.33 | fugalh | dock. clip is ok, but the dock is what I am really addicted to |
| 01:18.47 | brailsmt_ | waimea can have any number of docks... |
| 01:18.55 | brailsmt_ | located anywhere on the sreen |
| 01:19.04 | fugalh | explain. I didn't see any docks when I tried it out |
| 01:19.23 | brailsmt_ | you mean like wmsysmon and wmCalClock, etc? |
| 01:20.04 | brailsmt_ | dockapps, and stuff, right? |
| 01:20.18 | fugalh | i know about the slit, like it better than windowmaker's clip |
| 01:20.46 | fugalh | I'm talking big ugly icons to quick-start apps I use all the time. i have keyboard shortcuts too, of course, but when your hand's on the mouse.. |
| 01:21.04 | fugalh | even big pretty ones would be ok. :) |
| 01:23.50 | brailsmt_ | you mean where you can put icons to launch them by clicking on the icon? |
| 01:24.32 | fugalh | yeah, and the three dots thing |
| 01:24.41 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/waimea_gentoo.png <-- that is my desktop, i don't think it shows what you want though |
| 01:24.44 | fugalh | and if it's running already bring to front |
| 01:24.51 | brailsmt_ | i never understood the three dots... |
| 01:25.40 | fugalh | three dots: not running. if it is running, no dots and clicking brings to fore |
| 01:26.07 | fugalh | what console irc program do you use again? |
| 01:26.55 | brailsmt_ | i never used the dock to launch apps... and with waimea i have my menu with all the apps i use the most frequently, f12 brings up the menu, etc... |
| 01:27.01 | brailsmt_ | i use Eterm and irssi |
| 01:28.18 | fugalh | i hate menus. give me a keyboard shortcut or an icon, if it's a FUP (frequently used program) |
| 01:31.42 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/waimea_gentoo.png <-- same as before, but with my minimalist menu |
| 01:32.26 | brailsmt_ | i wonder if waimea does have a dock equiv though... |
| 01:33.42 | fugalh | i don't see any menu |
| 01:33.58 | brailsmt_ | oops... |
| 01:34.05 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/waimea_menu.png <-- same as before, but with my minimalist menu |
| 01:34.08 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 01:35.09 | brailsmt_ | f12<cr> opens Eterm, and usually just lauch things from the cmd line... |
| 01:35.41 | brailsmt_ | though, i am toying around with the idea of installing idesk... |
| 01:36.13 | brailsmt_ | but that kinda defeats the purpose of using waimea/windowmaker :) |
| 01:36.18 | fugalh | idesk? |
| 01:36.29 | brailsmt_ | allows you to put icons on your desktop |
| 01:36.48 | fugalh | oh |
| 01:37.02 | brailsmt_ | they look nice too |
| 01:37.28 | fugalh | i like 'em anchored. I do like the desktop paradigm though - of being able to dump things on the desktop. mac had a good thing there |
| 01:37.34 | fugalh | s/had/has |
| 01:38.33 | brailsmt_ | you can make the icons on idesk transparent |
| 01:38.37 | fugalh | don't like it enough to go to kde or gnome though. :) |
| 01:39.00 | brailsmt_ | i do transparency whenever i can |
| 01:40.13 | brailsmt_ | here is a nice screenshot of idesk using waimea :) |
| 01:40.29 | brailsmt_ | linuxhelp.hn.org/oct-18.png |
| 01:41.18 | fugalh | is that konq in the upper-right? |
| 01:42.35 | fugalh | is there a file manager that will do dnd to these idesk icons? |
| 01:42.40 | brailsmt_ | beats me, i doubt it though, i since he is using a gtk theme (in the editor window) |
| 01:43.01 | fugalh | ahh, so probably nautilus |
| 01:43.03 | brailsmt_ | i think it might be nautilus |
| 01:43.22 | fugalh | i was happy to note recently that the svg icons they're using in nautilus are faster than the png icons now |
| 01:44.03 | brailsmt_ | svg? vector graphics icon? |
| 01:44.21 | fugalh | scalable vector graphics |
| 01:44.38 | fugalh | yeah. svg is described in xml |
| 01:44.40 | brailsmt_ | ah |
| 01:44.45 | brailsmt_ | xml?!? |
| 01:44.47 | brailsmt_ | cool |
| 01:46.27 | brailsmt_ | re: dragging the icons, i think there is something about dragging, since you can 'lock' the icons once you get them where you want... |
| 01:47.38 | fugalh | i've done a bit with svg. very cool. |
| 01:47.46 | fugalh | I'm going to use it on my 460 proj. I think |
| 01:48.05 | fugalh | easy to draw things like translucent circles over a static image |
| 01:48.34 | brailsmt_ | i want true transparency... |
| 01:49.04 | fugalh | in apps you mean? like OS X... ahhh |
| 01:49.36 | brailsmt_ | so i can pop up my menu over text or something, and still see the text |
| 01:54.51 | fugalh | yeah |
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| 02:21.43 | brailsmt_ | wb |
| 02:22.44 | brailsmt_ | http://kruxx.com/myscreenshot.jpg <-- strangely cool screenshot of idesk :) |
| 02:40.38 | fugalh | cool |
| 02:40.56 | fugalh | i like the big icons off to the side |
| 03:01.59 | levi_ | I've never heard of idesk before. |
| 03:34.24 | fugalh | brailsmt_: will you email me your waimea settings? |
| 03:34.41 | brailsmt | sure... |
| 03:39.50 | fugalh | let's say mozilla is too slow for 300 mhz. do we have any options for graphical web browsers that are lightweight? is ol' netscape the best you can do for a slow box? |
| 03:40.32 | levi_ | Galeon is a bit quicker due to the GUI being native rather than interpreted code. |
| 03:40.45 | levi_ | Opera does well with low resources. |
| 03:40.57 | brailsmt | just sent it |
| 03:41.26 | brailsmt | pheonix is lightweight as is links (links -g is graphical), as is w3c |
| 03:44.33 | brailsmt | fugalh: the downside of waimea is that the config files are a pain... but i guess that is to be expected for an app at only 0.4 :) |
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| 03:59.28 | brailsmt | fugalh: how did you get your server to accept several requests? mine accepts one requests and then does nothing... |
| 04:22.03 | fugalh | while true |
| 04:22.03 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.03 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.03 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.04 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.06 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.09 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.11 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.14 | fugalh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.16 | fugalh | end |
| 04:22.23 | fugalh | multiple requests? |
| 04:22.35 | fugalh | or do you mean more than one request from the server subsequently? |
| 04:22.42 | fugalh | either way, yes |
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| 09:08.04 | brailsmt | i can't get over how cool distcc is :) |
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