| 00:44.40 | mr_lag | woohooo! new record |
| 00:45.33 | levi_ | What are you compiling? |
| 00:48.17 | mr_lag | Ping reply from Bonez39 : 2910.25 second(s) |
| 01:15.51 | brailsmt | 2910 second!?! |
| 01:16.01 | brailsmt | thats like 45 minutes... |
| 01:16.26 | brailsmt | traceroute on that shows something like this, i bet... |
| 01:17.17 | brailsmt | ...pluto -> planetX -> Andromeda -> Timbuktu -> moon -> rn.byu.edu... |
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| 03:16.22 | brailsmt | trying to be artistic is so @#$% frustrating... |
| 03:16.36 | Bradipo_ | Heh, why do you say that? |
| 03:17.08 | brailsmt | i can't do it... and I don't know any of the techniques to create anything that is even close to what I want... |
| 03:17.56 | brailsmt | it takes me forever to draw a simple little thing... |
| 03:18.03 | Bradipo_ | I have the problem with gimp. :-) |
| 03:18.07 | Bradipo_ | I just don't have the imagination. |
| 03:19.26 | brailsmt | i want to make a dark blue aqua xmms skin that is based on my vim colorscheme midnight2 |
| 03:19.38 | brailsmt | it'll never happen... |
| 03:31.00 | Bradipo_ | How many of you guys saw the recently announced developments in OpenBSD? |
| 03:35.06 | Bradipo_ | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-tech&m=104391783312978&w=2 |
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| 04:22.27 | kryptik | Man, I hate talkin to my mom. |
| 04:24.00 | Bradipo_ | Anyone for a game of Tetrinet? |
| 04:24.53 | kryptik | Heh, whats that |
| 04:25.29 | Bradipo_ | It's tetris for 6. |
| 04:25.34 | Bradipo_ | 6 players can play at once. |
| 04:25.41 | kryptik | Wow, how does that work |
| 04:25.49 | kryptik | I thought 1 player was tough |
| 04:25.53 | Bradipo_ | There is also a linux client. |
| 04:25.58 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 04:27.38 | Bradipo_ | I have a dedicated tetrinet server setup as well. |
| 04:28.37 | kryptik | Wow, so you go all out when playing tetris eh? |
| 04:28.44 | Bradipo_ | Oh yeah. |
| 04:28.50 | Bradipo_ | We have some serious players. |
| 04:28.57 | kryptik | Really? |
| 04:29.04 | Bradipo_ | I'm not even on the scoreboard right now. |
| 04:29.40 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 04:30.55 | Bradipo_ | Up for a game? |
| 04:31.16 | kryptik | Me? |
| 04:31.29 | Bradipo_ | Sure, others are welcome too. |
| 04:31.38 | Bradipo_ | If anyone else is listening. |
| 04:31.41 | kryptik | Sorry bro, I dont have time.. I go to my moms tommorow, and I have tonz of homework :( Sorry. |
| 04:42.05 | mr_lag | levi_: parser for 431 |
| 04:43.30 | brailsmt | wow, now that is some serious lag... |
| 04:43.33 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:44.04 | Bradipo_ | I don't understand that. |
| 04:44.10 | Bradipo_ | How can there be so much lag? |
| 04:44.33 | Bradipo_ | The worst I have ever seen lag in an environment without problems was 800ms. |
| 04:44.42 | Bradipo_ | And that was to our office in India. |
| 04:46.02 | kryptik | :) |
| 04:46.02 | kryptik | what? |
| 04:46.02 | kryptik | You talking about mr_lag? |
| 04:46.11 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
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| 15:43.58 | Bonez39 | what's the command to launch Kpilot or Jpilot? I can't seem to find these in my menus.. |
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| 15:56.35 | Bonez39 | good morning hans |
| 15:57.25 | han_solo | good morning |
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| 17:09.08 | Bonez39 | hans , still here? |
| 17:09.19 | Bonez39 | how would I go about updating my kernel to 2.4.20? |
| 17:09.39 | Bonez39 | is it apt-get install 2.4.20blahablayblay? not sure what does on the end there.. |
| 17:09.44 | han_solo | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4 |
| 17:09.58 | han_solo | that will automatically keep you up to the latest 2.4 kernel |
| 17:10.13 | han_solo | what kind of processor do you have? |
| 17:10.35 | han_solo | look in aptitude and see if one is particularly suited to your processor. i.e. I use kernel-image-2.4-k6 |
| 17:10.44 | han_solo | because I have an amd k6-2 processor |
| 17:12.15 | Bonez39 | processor is 266 mhz..intel |
| 17:12.20 | Bonez39 | PII |
| 17:13.07 | Bonez39 | what is the category to check in aptitude...to find the various processor options? |
| 17:17.01 | Bonez39 | hans? I ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.4 and it listed several packages...all stop at 2.4.18 though, nothing newer? how do I get apt-get to grab a newer package? |
| 17:28.13 | han_solo | lag strikes again |
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| 19:09.36 | han_solo | hi stuart |
| 19:09.43 | StuartJansen | Howdy. |
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| 19:11.40 | kryptik | The Amish Phone Directory is the shortest book ever. |
| 19:15.16 | StuartJansen | Does anyone know if it is possible in gdb to save the output of |
| 19:15.17 | StuartJansen | disassem <function> ? |
| 19:20.20 | StuartJansen | To a file, that is. |
| 19:21.55 | kryptik | what does iis stand for |
| 19:22.28 | StuartJansen | Usually, Microsoft's web server. |
| 19:22.29 | kryptik | internet informations services. |
| 19:22.36 | kryptik | I found it |
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| 19:23.05 | skan | Hola a todos. |
| 19:23.06 | han_solo | IIS == insecure |
| 19:23.10 | StuartJansen | Can't remember what it's an acronym for off the top of my head. |
| 19:23.16 | skan | Hello. |
| 19:23.17 | han_solo | hola |
| 19:23.46 | kryptik | StuartJansen: I just told you |
| 19:23.49 | kryptik | internet informations services. |
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| 20:29.08 | han_solo | sigh. it services' web site not responding |
| 20:45.16 | Jayce^ | everybody else watching nasa coverage? |
| 20:45.33 | StuartJansen | Doing homework. |
| 20:45.36 | kryptik | Nope. But I heard about it |
| 20:45.41 | kryptik | How bad is it |
| 20:45.43 | han_solo | nope, but heard |
| 20:45.55 | Bradipo_ | I'm watching it on my computer. |
| 20:46.30 | kryptik | Wow, how do you do that |
| 20:46.38 | kryptik | cable? |
| 20:46.40 | Bradipo_ | TV Tuner card. |
| 20:46.42 | Bradipo_ | Yeah, cable. |
| 20:46.54 | kryptik | Hmm |
| 20:47.13 | Bradipo_ | Kind of a tragedy. |
| 20:48.35 | kryptik | Yea. |
| 20:48.39 | kryptik | 6 died? |
| 20:48.44 | Bradipo_ | 7. |
| 20:49.07 | Bradipo_ | They're in for a long day I'm sure. |
| 20:49.28 | kryptik | yea |
| 20:49.37 | Bradipo_ | One of the pilots was from Israel (their first in space). |
| 20:49.38 | kryptik | bet a handfull are getting fired for that one |
| 20:49.43 | kryptik | Oh that sucks |
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| 22:42.06 | han_solo | anyone know a good place to get CDRs? |
| 22:43.57 | han_solo | i.e. for cheap |
| 22:44.07 | Bradipo_ | Hmm. |
| 22:44.13 | StuartJansen | CompUSA has some decent prices if you want them immediately. If you can wait, dealnews.com ocasionally publishes deals where you can get them for nearly free. |
| 22:44.15 | Bradipo_ | Costco. |
| 23:00.57 | Mecworks | Also, techbargains.com has good notices of cheap CDR media almost every week |
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| 23:21.40 | han_solo | costco has 100 for $35 minux $5 coupon, minus $15 mail-in rebate = $15, $.15 per cd |
| 23:21.58 | brailsmt | talking about cdrs? |
| 23:22.01 | han_solo | yeah |
| 23:22.08 | brailsmt | walmart has 100 for $19.95 |
| 23:22.18 | brailsmt | no rebates |
| 23:22.23 | kryptik | Wow |
| 23:22.34 | brailsmt | cheapo brand though... |
| 23:22.37 | kryptik | I knew walmart haddem but I wouldnt buy them |
| 23:22.44 | kryptik | the silver shiz peels off |
| 23:22.58 | brailsmt | i got 100 tdks at costco for $35 with a $15 rebate |
| 23:23.09 | Bradipo_ | Are TDKs a good brand? |
| 23:23.11 | Bradipo_ | Which brand is best? |
| 23:23.12 | kryptik | yea |
| 23:23.15 | brailsmt | that was about 5 months ago though... |
| 23:23.17 | kryptik | there is no best brand |
| 23:23.22 | Bradipo_ | I've been using Maxell. |
| 23:23.31 | kryptik | though philips sony and maxell are my favs |
| 23:23.57 | han_solo | better than the walmart brand? |
| 23:24.03 | kryptik | heck yea |
| 23:24.06 | kryptik | walmart sucks |
| 23:24.09 | brailsmt | i like maxell, their cassete tapes are the best, and i tend to associate that meaning that their cdrs are really good too |
| 23:24.18 | kryptik | Yea. |
| 23:25.46 | brailsmt | nice |
| 23:26.05 | brailsmt | don't join #c |
| 23:26.25 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, Costco doesn't have Maxell, in fact, I have been having a hard time finding more CDRs by them. |
| 23:26.26 | brailsmt | they are getting a major flood right now |
| 23:27.16 | han_solo | the spindle of Imation that I just ran out of never let me down |
| 23:27.28 | han_solo | I haven't surveyed much of the different brands, but I like Imation |
| 23:27.48 | han_solo | oh. just kidding. they were TDKs |
| 23:27.56 | kryptik | heh |
| 23:27.58 | han_solo | wonder what made me think they were imation... |
| 23:28.12 | kryptik | Walmarts elcheapos are imations. |
| 23:29.49 | brailsmt | i need to get a backup scheme in place... |
| 23:30.06 | Bradipo_ | Heh, me too. |
| 23:30.19 | Bradipo_ | Last night one of my hard drives was making an interesting whine. |
| 23:30.24 | Bradipo_ | Kind of worried me. |
| 23:30.45 | kryptik | Uh oh. |
| 23:31.02 | kryptik | That is scary |
| 23:31.09 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 23:31.11 | kryptik | Do you all use CDR or RW's? |
| 23:31.15 | Bradipo_ | CRW. |
| 23:31.18 | brailsmt | cdr |
| 23:31.23 | Bradipo_ | CDR rather. |
| 23:31.40 | brailsmt | they are a lot cheaper than cdrws |
| 23:31.54 | brailsmt | so much so that it isn't worth the cost of cdrw, imo |
| 23:32.33 | brailsmt | i mean 100 cdrs for $20, that is $0.20 a cd... |
| 23:33.14 | kryptik | Yea, thats cheap. |
| 23:33.23 | kryptik | but it runs near a buck for rw's. |
| 23:33.28 | brailsmt | few things are worse than peanut m&m's with a rotten peanut... |
| 23:33.40 | kryptik | Heh |
| 23:33.50 | han_solo | true, but I have used my 2 rw drives in rotation like a zip disk |
| 23:34.56 | brailsmt | isn't there a limit to how many times you can burn on a cdrw? |
| 23:35.02 | kryptik | Yea, I guess for something like a hd backup they would work fine. especially if you do it frequently. two cdrws are cheaper than 200 cdr's |
| 23:35.06 | kryptik | Yea ther is |
| 23:35.09 | kryptik | there* |
| 23:35.16 | kryptik | Like 5000 or something |
| 23:35.28 | han_solo | not really like a zip, since it's write all at once (until udf write support gets here) |
| 23:35.28 | han_solo | but heckuvalot better than floppy |
| 23:35.28 | han_solo | and for backup, cdrw's will end up being cheaper if you do it regularly |
| 23:35.59 | brailsmt | it depends on how you intend to use the medium... if you are going to put backups on it, than cdr's are the way to go, if you are going to be putting stuff on it that changes alot then use cdrws |
| 23:36.55 | brailsmt | if you do incremental backups that is...since multisession cdrs are good for that type of stuff |
| 23:37.48 | brailsmt | of course, that is all one guys opinion... |
| 23:38.16 | kryptik | no, I agree. |
| 23:38.59 | brailsmt | right now, all I have backed up is my music collection :) |
| 23:39.07 | kryptik | heh. |
| 23:39.32 | kryptik | I rip all mine to mp3's then never touch the cd again |
| 23:39.53 | brailsmt | i rip them to ogg, then put the cd in the car :) |
| 23:40.09 | han_solo | I say use the cdr for things I want to keep forever. I use cdrw for temporary |
| 23:40.42 | han_solo | i.e. I just installed debian on a box off a cdrw this morning. First I tried d-i, then another netinstall, then finally got the whole disk one |
| 23:40.49 | han_solo | and didn't even waste a cd |
| 23:41.56 | han_solo | backups are not permanent. Well, you do one big backup that you keep forever, but the intermediary backups go through rotations |
| 23:42.41 | han_solo | if you were using tape you'd rotate it through... why not do the same with CDs? |
| 23:43.53 | kryptik | yea. |
| 23:44.13 | han_solo | brailsmt: done crc yet? |
| 23:45.50 | kryptik | what is crc.. I thought it stopped at ogg. lol. |
| 23:46.12 | han_solo | Cyclic Redundancy Check |
| 23:47.02 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 23:47.07 | kryptik | How does it work. |
| 23:47.41 | brailsmt | han_solo: no, i am trying to start on it, but the webpage's formatting is messed up, and I don't really know where to start... :| |
| 23:49.06 | brailsmt | well what I plan to implement in a backup system is a big backup every 2-3 months, and then weekly (maybe daily) diffs |
| 23:49.49 | brailsmt | the weekly and daily diffs would be small, just the files that changed in that time... |
| 23:49.56 | han_solo | go from what the book, I say |
| 23:50.55 | brailsmt | i think i am gonna learn perl... |
| 23:51.13 | brailsmt | not because i want to relearn it, but because it will look good on a resume |
| 23:52.37 | kryptik | heh, yea |
| 23:52.40 | kryptik | geek language |
| 23:53.06 | brailsmt | how do i execute a command and have it show up in irc? |
| 23:53.56 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.13 | brailsmt | i really don't want to reboot this to load a new kernel... |
| 23:54.17 | kryptik | what do you mean |
| 23:54.41 | brailsmt | pipe the output of a command to my irc client... |
| 23:55.27 | Bradipo_ | Heh, the other day I lost > 241 days uptime to a problem with my CDR drive. |
| 23:55.46 | Bradipo_ | I made the mistake of hitting ctrl-c while cdrecord was writing. |
| 23:55.58 | Bradipo_ | It was either reboot or not must my CDR drive. |
| 23:56.17 | Bradipo_ | not use. |
| 23:56.21 | Bradipo_ | I don't know how must got in there. |
| 23:56.22 | kryptik | Hmm never thought about doing that.. I will have to play with that idea sometime |
| 23:58.28 | han_solo | brailsmt: I think on page 101, middle paragraph near the end |
| 23:59.14 | brailsmt | i have yet to buy the cs345 book... :) |
| 23:59.16 | han_solo | there is a typo: "the position of the XOR gates is determined as follows: if the bits in the shift register are labelled 0 through k-1, left to right, then put a shift register in front of bit n if there is a term x^n in the generator polynomial." |
| 23:59.59 | han_solo | I think they mean put an XOR gate in front of bit n |