| 00:58.43 | TimRiker | best to have an MX record as well from my experience. |
| 00:58.54 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 00:59.06 | Bradipo | Some MTAs don't even bother to follow the RFCs and don't lookup the MX. |
| 00:59.19 | Bradipo | Or rather, upon failure of the MX don't lookup the A |
| 01:00.02 | fugalh | :w |
| 01:00.07 | fugalh | umm |
| 01:00.11 | TimRiker | :w! |
| 01:02.31 | fugalh | what's everyone's favorite lightweight news reader that handles mime? |
| 01:02.36 | fugalh | and no, mozilla isn't lightweight |
| 01:02.49 | Bradipo | Not sure about MIME, but I normally use tin. |
| 01:03.00 | Bradipo | But I'm also not a big news reader. |
| 01:03.18 | fugalh | yeah, I've been using tin. I like it alright but it doesn't seem to do mime |
| 01:04.08 | fugalh | what I'd really like is to use mutt. are there ways to gateway news/email in both directions? |
| 01:05.47 | fugalh | pan looks pretty good |
| 01:19.05 | fugalh | but it fails miserably in attachments |
| 01:50.07 | fugalh | say I want to split up the parts of a bnf body. a = "terminal" | "another" | nonterminal |
| 01:50.51 | fugalh | nonterminal = {"yetanother", "and another"}* |
| 01:51.41 | fugalh | in the case of nonterminal, I want to represent the whole right-hand side as an object with members of the same class representing each terminal |
| 01:51.52 | fugalh | so I need to think of a name for that, any ideas? |
| 02:23.58 | TimRiker | members of the same class? this is an array of objects? of just an enum? |
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| 02:31.13 | brailsmt_ | fugalh: i see you submitted a competing bnf vim syntax file... |
| 02:31.21 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 02:31.44 | brailsmt_ | fugalh: have you finished 460? |
| 02:32.29 | brailsmt_ | when it runs the send tests it says something about compiling with the new version of internet.cc that is on the webpage... |
| 02:32.55 | brailsmt_ | how recent is 'new' in that sentence? |
| 02:33.41 | brailsmt_ | If you havent done so already, you will need to compile your code with |
| 02:33.41 | brailsmt_ | the new version of internet.cc that you can find on the lab 3 web page. |
| 02:33.42 | brailsmt_ | It will tell you if you passed off everything. |
| 02:33.53 | brailsmt_ | oops, i should have quoted that... |
| 02:37.45 | fugalh | new as in since last lab |
| 02:38.22 | brailsmt_ | ok |
| 02:38.27 | fugalh | alas that isn't the only change since the last lab. I recall merging a little bit more. but if you had their ethernet.cc to start with, and the main.cc, you probably already did that |
| 02:39.08 | fugalh | timriker: each object contains subobjects of the same class. actually I decided to just do it at the parse level in yacc, without creating objects at all |
| 02:39.33 | fugalh | brailsmt: yeah I finished it |
| 02:40.11 | fugalh | did you see I gave you kudos in the comment? ;-) |
| 02:42.59 | brailsmt_ | no, but I just linked mine to yours :) |
| 02:43.28 | brailsmt_ | but the stupid editor there is hosing up the link... |
| 02:43.30 | fugalh | i have the weirdest issue: sometimes it will get out of sync but ^L doesn't resync. :nohl does, though |
| 02:43.42 | brailsmt_ | :syn sync fromstart |
| 02:44.02 | brailsmt_ | that always fixes highlighting stuff for me |
| 02:44.32 | brailsmt_ | i notice that the syntax highlighting goes out of sync often when folding... |
| 02:44.47 | brailsmt_ | especially for C++ |
| 02:44.57 | brailsmt_ | the 460 labs should be done in C |
| 02:47.23 | brailsmt_ | instead of C that is pretending to be C++ |
| 02:48.20 | fugalh | yeah. they really need to revamp the whole structure of it all, set up a better testing method |
| 02:48.45 | brailsmt_ | i haven't even bothered to look at that code... |
| 02:48.59 | brailsmt_ | i stay strictly within main, ethernet, and physical.. |
| 02:49.01 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 02:49.56 | brailsmt_ | and i try not to look at main.cpp too much... |
| 02:50.51 | brailsmt_ | anyway, I have to get receiving working... (ie, i have it stop when a frame is invalid instead of keep going) |
| 02:51.15 | fugalh | well, main is the worst part |
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| 04:05.25 | brailsmt_ | stupid thing... there is no CRC error... |
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| 15:45.51 | han_solo | when making a patch, do the old files go first on the command line of diff? |
| 16:06.36 | levi | patch <oldfile> <newfile> |
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| 17:11.13 | kryptik | I think someone just broke into my work building.. |
| 17:11.25 | kryptik | and I am on camera and not at school. |
| 17:11.27 | kryptik | Oh well.. |
| 17:19.42 | Jayce^ | broke in? |
| 17:20.08 | kryptik | yea |
| 17:20.16 | kryptik | like busted his way in to get to something.. |
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| 17:44.13 | brailsmt_ | anyone in here know much about xdm/xdrb/Xresources? i lost my nice xdm boot up screen and i forgot the things I can put in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources... |
| 17:46.46 | brailsmt_ | well i have it edited, but i forgot how to set the bg to an image... and I don't think i have all the xlogin* widget resources since, I haven't been able to exactly duplicate the login widget that I had before... |
| 17:48.18 | Jayce^ | bsetbg imagename (should work) |
| 17:48.27 | Jayce^ | that's for an image.. or you just doing a color? |
| 17:48.48 | Jayce^ | xsetbg might do it too.. there is a wm one too. |
| 17:50.52 | brailsmt_ | Jayce^: i don't remember setting it using a program like xsetroot, Esetroot, xsetbg, etc... i remember it as being a resourse in Xresources... maybe i just remember wrong... |
| 17:52.08 | brailsmt_ | and i haven't been able to find a complete list... the man page for xdm is incomplete in its listing of xlogin resources |
| 17:53.05 | Bradipo | You can also use ``xv -root -quit image.jpg'' |
| 17:53.46 | Bradipo | Good luck in finding a list though. |
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| 17:54.24 | kryptik | anyone know how to set a current page to home in konquerer |
| 17:56.17 | brailsmt_ | Bradipo: i know i have been googling for the last few days and have yet to find a list, or anything close to it... |
| 18:07.28 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, I think the fluxbox docs describe it.. fluxbox.org |
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| 18:08.36 | Jayce^ | kryptik: I believe if you save the view profile, you can save the page.. |
| 18:08.45 | brailsmt_ | well, there is editres... now, to get editres to pop up at the login screen... |
| 18:09.19 | kryptik | Jayce^: Thank man. |
| 18:09.42 | Jayce^ | the file manager lists a start page option, usually set to ~ also.. |
| 18:33.05 | Jayce^ | except I have no clue on where that room is (never attended byu) |
| 18:33.27 | Jayce^ | byu-provo that is (gotta qualify that now).. |
| 18:37.45 | Jayce^ | dont' only old people work at those :) |
| 18:37.48 | kryptik | LOl |
| 18:37.52 | kryptik | thats what I though |
| 18:37.52 | kryptik | t |
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| 18:38.32 | TimRiker | is the JKHB the "box the temple came in" ? |
| 18:39.54 | TimRiker | but on a lighter side, BZFlag won a HappyPenguin award. http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 ;-) |
| 18:41.52 | TimRiker | oh, "the box the temple came in" is TNRB |
| 18:42.27 | TimRiker | jkhb is http://www.byu.edu/visitor/tour/jkhb.htm |
| 18:47.49 | fugalh_ | box the temple came in? |
| 18:47.51 | fugalh_ | Jayce^: what room is it in? I'll tell you how to get there |
| 18:48.56 | kryptik | oh man.. cake is good |
| 18:49.04 | kryptik | where did that come from |
| 18:49.06 | kryptik | ... |
| 18:49.20 | TimRiker | http://www.byu.edu/visitor/tour/tnrb.htm == "box the temple came in" |
| 18:51.56 | Bonez39 | how can I dependably copy files to a floppy? I mount the floppy as user, the light on the drive lights up..I then run cp invoice* /floppy and the light fires up again, yet I take that disc to my windows machine and NADA...nothing's on the disk |
| 18:52.18 | Bonez39 | here's what mount reports: /dev/fd0 on /floppy type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=scott) |
| 18:52.27 | Bonez39 | so it appears to me that the floppy is mounted.. |
| 18:52.50 | Jayce^ | are you able to copy the floppy back to the HD on the linux box? |
| 18:52.54 | Jayce^ | without any loss of data? |
| 18:53.11 | Jayce^ | I had a similar problem once.. well a few time.. most floppies I have are bad.. |
| 18:53.44 | Bonez39 | is it a bad floppy? I just went and formatted it on my windoze machine..then ran chkdsk to make sure it looked OK. |
| 18:54.02 | Jayce^ | it's a possibility, one that has bitten me.. but no guarantee.. |
| 18:54.04 | fugalh_ | http://www.byu.edu/visitor/map.htm |
| 18:54.04 | fugalh_ | hehe. I thought the tanner building was a temple... |
| 18:54.13 | Bonez39 | what I REALLY do not understand is why linux will report that the files are there, even though they may not be... |
| 18:55.14 | Bonez39 | I mean, does that information reside in a register somewhere....and when I write to a floppy...does that go to a buffer and then when the system is slowed down, does it then commit the writes to the drive? |
| 18:55.33 | Jayce^ | did you unmount the drive before ejecting it?? |
| 18:56.14 | Bradipo | Bonez39: Did you unmount the floppy first? |
| 18:56.41 | Bonez39 | yeah, I umounted it.... |
| 18:56.46 | Bonez39 | then remounted it.... |
| 18:57.17 | Bradipo | This should be the sequence of events: insert floppy, mount floppy, copy data to floppy, unmount floppy, eject floppy |
| 18:57.42 | Bradipo | If you skip the ``unmount'' step you will lose the data because it most likely hasn't been flushed to disk yet. |
| 18:57.45 | Bonez39 | right..I am finding out how tempermental a drive can be...I'll do that from now on |
| 18:57.55 | Bonez39 | is there a command to flush it to disk? |
| 18:58.01 | Bradipo | umount |
| 18:58.04 | Bradipo | umount /floppy |
| 18:58.04 | Jayce^ | unmount :) |
| 18:58.27 | Bonez39 | ok ..thanks |
| 18:58.40 | Bradipo | Whenever you unmount a partition (whether it's a hard drive or a floppy, they are treated the same) the data that is cached in memory is flushed. |
| 18:58.53 | Jayce^ | Bonez39: so did that work for you once you unmounted after the copy? |
| 18:59.48 | neybar | I had a similar problem before I knew about umounting the floppy. Man that was irritating. |
| 19:00.48 | Jayce^ | it's worse with zips.. used to use those a lot.. copy 100mb, then try to unmount/eject.. takes a while to flush.. |
| 19:00.58 | Jayce^ | especially on an old parallel.. |
| 19:09.18 | neybar | yeah |
| 19:13.31 | fugalh_ | at least with zips it may not eject until it unmounts |
| 20:49.59 | Bradipo | Heh, check out this header that I got in a piece of spam: |
| 20:50.03 | Bradipo | X-Mailer: OutLook Express 3.14159 |
| 20:50.51 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:06.26 | neybar | OE 3 still exsits?! |
| 21:06.41 | kryptik | * FireBird34 was kicked by kryptik (He be my hommie, beotch!!!) |
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| 21:06.52 | kryptik | oops |
| 21:06.55 | kryptik | hehe |
| 21:06.56 | neybar | lol |
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| 21:33.34 | Bonez39 | yes...it worked....seems silly that that's what has to happen....but glad to do it....to get the job done |
| 21:37.14 | kryptik | Oh, man.. cygwin is from RH. Why am I the last to learn these things.. |
| 21:40.51 | Bonez39 | I get the following message when I try to empty the trash in email: Error while "Expunging folder": Writing to tmp mailbox failed: //home/scott/evolution/local/inbox/mbox: Interrupted system call |
| 21:41.04 | Bonez39 | I think I get this cause I am out of disk space...any suggestions? |
| 21:42.32 | Jayce^ | /home? |
| 21:42.37 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.45 | Bonez39 | yeah, I just copied it from my screen... |
| 21:44.46 | Bonez39 | here's what I'd like to figure out...if I know my hardward..can't I remove foldes and directories that contain drivers, and such that have nothing to do with my system? and thus free up space? |
| 21:48.18 | Bonez39 | any ideas? |
| 21:50.27 | Jayce^ | like out of /dev.. nah, those whon't free anything.. most aren't anything but stubs anyways.. |
| 21:50.35 | Jayce^ | so they dont' take space.. |
| 21:50.50 | Bradipo | Bonez39: How much space do you need? How big is your drive? |
| 21:50.58 | Jayce^ | most likely the stuff you'll want out is from /home :) |
| 21:51.01 | Bradipo | You can uninstall packages that you don't use. |
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| 21:53.46 | Bonez39 | ok, I found out how in aptitude... |
| 21:54.07 | Bonez39 | I removed some games...and stuff like that.. |
| 21:56.34 | Jayce^ | yeah, usually unecessary :) |
| 21:57.48 | fugalh_ | Bonez39: in your linux system? |
| 22:06.13 | fugalh_ | Bonez39: check how big /usr/share/doc is - that's a big space hog |
| 22:06.13 | fugalh_ | there's some documentation packages you could remove |
| 22:18.51 | Jayce^ | fugalh_: you dont' have to be too sad about missing tonight, I'm scheduling stuart for next month (march) for plug.. he'll do a more advanced version of it.. |
| 23:11.44 | TimRiker | kryptik: cygwin is from cygnus and cygnus was aquired by redhat. |
| 23:13.12 | kryptik | TimRiker: Again.. why am I always the last to learn these things? |
| 23:15.21 | TimRiker | ~why? |
| 23:15.34 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 23:15.37 | TimRiker | ~lart ibot |
| 23:16.32 | kryptik | Heh |