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| 17:36.24 | silversurfer | hi guys |
| 17:36.36 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 17:36.40 | silversurfer | some guy lkive in usa? |
| 17:37.08 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:38.27 | silversurfer | i need to satisfy a curiosity regarding live in USA can you help me? |
| 17:38.35 | Jayce^ | maybe |
| 17:38.41 | silversurfer | now... |
| 17:38.45 | silversurfer | I live in italy |
| 17:38.53 | silversurfer | i would like to know |
| 17:39.06 | silversurfer | how many money needs to live in USA |
| 17:39.16 | silversurfer | for a family of 4 person |
| 17:39.22 | silversurfer | midclass |
| 17:39.29 | silversurfer | tax included |
| 17:39.37 | silversurfer | ? |
| 17:39.55 | Jayce^ | depends on where in the us.. but quite a bit.. |
| 17:40.05 | Jayce^ | mid-class, somewhere around 60k a year |
| 17:40.08 | silversurfer | make an hypothesis |
| 17:40.23 | silversurfer | mmhh |
| 17:40.50 | silversurfer | in which state ... or city ? |
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| 17:41.59 | Bradipo | Where in Italy do you live? |
| 17:42.05 | Jayce^ | most the midwest area... big cities would be more. |
| 17:42.48 | Bradipo | Jayce^: 60k/yr is a bit high don't you think? |
| 17:43.03 | Bradipo | Of course, I don't have a family of 4 yet... |
| 17:43.06 | silversurfer | in rome |
| 17:43.24 | Jayce^ | Bradipo: family of 4, middle class, that's about right.. |
| 17:43.31 | silversurfer | but perhaps i can sell two babys ... :-) |
| 17:43.34 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:43.37 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:43.39 | Bradipo | Don't do that. |
| 17:43.47 | Bradipo | Bambini italiani sono bravi. |
| 17:43.56 | Bradipo | Non li vendere. |
| 17:44.21 | silversurfer | ok bradipo... i will provide them a job in a miner |
| 17:44.27 | Bradipo | What kind of work are you interested in? |
| 17:44.46 | silversurfer | mhhh |
| 17:44.57 | silversurfer | i do not know |
| 17:45.06 | Bradipo | Che lavoro fai adesso? |
| 17:45.18 | silversurfer | bradipo are you italina guy? |
| 17:45.31 | Bradipo | No, just like to speak Italian. :-) |
| 17:46.09 | silversurfer | now i have a technical job regarding computer |
| 17:46.28 | silversurfer | but not in programming area |
| 17:46.47 | Bradipo | Some kind of technical support then? |
| 17:47.10 | silversurfer | no ... I choose the right computer for the richt task ... |
| 17:47.26 | Bradipo | I see. |
| 17:47.37 | silversurfer | you see ... what? |
| 17:47.49 | Bradipo | I see vuol dire capisco. |
| 17:48.09 | silversurfer | ohhh ... my english is simple .... |
| 17:48.12 | Bradipo | It might be a bit slang. |
| 17:48.19 | silversurfer | but your italian is very good |
| 17:48.22 | Bradipo | I see is probably not proper English. |
| 17:48.42 | Bradipo | I lived in Sicilia for 2 years. |
| 17:48.57 | silversurfer | mmhh I see :-) |
| 17:49.01 | Bradipo | Palermo, Catania, Ragusa. |
| 17:49.03 | Bradipo | Bravo! |
| 17:49.15 | silversurfer | it is simple with good teacher |
| 17:49.47 | Jayce^ | I can understand a few words you guys say... (português here) |
| 17:50.51 | silversurfer | Bradipo do you think Jayce^ money is too much for a mid class family? what do you think about ... |
| 17:50.55 | Bradipo | Utah would be a good state (lower cost of living) than others. |
| 17:51.00 | Bradipo | No, I think he's about right. |
| 17:51.14 | Bradipo | I only have one baby. |
| 17:51.34 | silversurfer | mmh in Italy you can live with less money... |
| 17:51.44 | Bradipo | I know, I know. |
| 17:51.56 | Bradipo | If I could find a job in Italy I would probably move there. :-) |
| 17:51.56 | silversurfer | ... but you must have Berlusconi as leader ...:-) |
| 17:52.02 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:52.27 | Bradipo | Berlusconi is kind of a ruffiano eh? |
| 17:52.57 | silversurfer | rotfl |
| 17:53.01 | silversurfer | yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 17:53.11 | silversurfer | it is clear for you too? |
| 17:53.14 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 17:53.27 | Bradipo | Thousands of Italians can't be wrong. |
| 17:54.21 | silversurfer | I do not understand how he won .. |
| 17:54.58 | silversurfer | but i must clear my position... |
| 17:55.12 | silversurfer | i do not want the war in iraq for the moment |
| 17:55.26 | silversurfer | and i think usa .. shall follows onu rules |
| 17:55.58 | Bradipo | I agree that something should be done before he does something foolish. |
| 17:56.12 | Bradipo | Exactly. |
| 17:56.19 | silversurfer | yes but................. |
| 17:56.27 | silversurfer | USA has the best equipment |
| 17:56.32 | silversurfer | to discover bad guys |
| 17:56.36 | silversurfer | from the sky |
| 17:56.40 | Bradipo | The problem is that Hussein is a mad man. |
| 17:56.42 | silversurfer | from the sea |
| 17:56.55 | silversurfer | I do not understand ... |
| 17:56.57 | Bradipo | If that were the case, why haven't we found Osama Bin Laden yet? |
| 17:57.02 | silversurfer | how bin laden escapes |
| 17:57.19 | silversurfer | that is very strange to my eyes |
| 17:57.38 | silversurfer | terrific ideas is inside my brain |
| 17:58.23 | silversurfer | . |
| 17:58.31 | Bradipo | I'm sure the USA has brought about many ethical debates lately. :-) |
| 17:58.32 | silversurfer | i must ask a question to you |
| 17:58.49 | silversurfer | my english is too simple but... |
| 17:58.54 | Bradipo | THat's alright. |
| 17:58.57 | Bradipo | You're doing fine. |
| 17:59.55 | silversurfer | don't you think that american media tempt to control public opinion? |
| 18:00.15 | Bradipo | It might. |
| 18:00.17 | Jayce^ | oh, they definately do.. that's part of why I dont' watch normal news.. |
| 18:00.19 | silversurfer | i have this sensation in italy regarding our media |
| 18:00.43 | silversurfer | why a war in afghanistan .. to kill a terrorist |
| 18:00.56 | silversurfer | when it has not a real and stable base |
| 18:00.58 | Bradipo | But with the Internet, there are more sources of information than just the media. |
| 18:01.10 | silversurfer | but he is base are the world banks |
| 18:01.23 | silversurfer | yes of course internet is free but |
| 18:01.40 | silversurfer | people brain is different for man brain ... :-) |
| 18:01.47 | silversurfer | people brain is different from man brain ... :-) |
| 18:02.04 | Bradipo | True. |
| 18:02.12 | Bradipo | Not all people have access to the Internet. |
| 18:02.24 | silversurfer | right! |
| 18:02.24 | Bradipo | And not all think alike. |
| 18:02.30 | silversurfer | right! |
| 18:03.10 | Bradipo | So, do we just wait around for Iraq to send a nuke our way before attacking back? |
| 18:03.11 | silversurfer | so democracy is based on to large numbers |
| 18:03.27 | silversurfer | no |
| 18:03.58 | Bradipo | Right, democracy really is up to the people (theoretically). |
| 18:04.23 | silversurfer | but i think that usa military are capable to see when iraq is want to hit |
| 18:05.02 | silversurfer | and shall provide to public opinion the evidences regarding such trials |
| 18:05.05 | levi_ | Bradipo: I don't think there's really much of a chance of Iraq sending a nuke anywhere anytime soon. I haven't seen any evidence that they actually have a nuke, and I don't think they have any ICBMs. |
| 18:05.42 | Bradipo | So, what threat does Iraq pose to the USA, and the world in general? |
| 18:06.16 | silversurfer | abc weapon are very difficult to hide |
| 18:06.36 | silversurfer | when right methodologies are applied to discover them |
| 18:06.54 | Bradipo | Well, I'm not a war expert by any means. :-) |
| 18:07.03 | Bradipo | I personally don't like ware. |
| 18:07.07 | silversurfer | abc (atomic chemical and batteriological) i do not if a italian acronym |
| 18:07.08 | Bradipo | war. |
| 18:07.38 | Bradipo | Thanks, I didn't know what ABC meant. |
| 18:07.43 | levi_ | I don't really think Hussein poses as much of a threat to other nations as it does to its own people. |
| 18:07.49 | silversurfer | onu expert might guided by the military usa expert to found weapons |
| 18:08.01 | Bradipo | Well, if that's the case, maybe we should leave them alone. |
| 18:08.23 | Bradipo | I think we did find chemical warheads there. |
| 18:08.29 | Bradipo | AT least the media seemed to think so. :-) |
| 18:08.39 | silversurfer | lol |
| 18:08.48 | silversurfer | ok guys |
| 18:08.55 | silversurfer | my wife is calling me ... |
| 18:09.05 | Bradipo | Ora di mangiare? |
| 18:09.17 | silversurfer | yes .. ora di preparare la pappa :-) |
| 18:09.36 | Bradipo | Talk to you later. |
| 18:09.49 | silversurfer | ok bradipo nice to meet you |
| 18:09.51 | silversurfer | bye bye |
| 18:09.54 | Bradipo | ciao ciao |
| 18:11.28 | levi_ | Bradipo: The warheads were empty and had been in storage for a long time. From the report I read on them, it didn't seem to be worth making a fuss over, but I may have missed something. |
| 18:12.10 | Bradipo | I didn't follow it very closely. |
| 18:12.30 | Bradipo | It's a tough call right now. |
| 18:12.40 | Bradipo | I don't really want to attack Iraq. |
| 18:12.46 | Bradipo | I personally don't have anything against them. |
| 18:12.52 | Bradipo | I'm sure they're just fine people. |
| 18:13.34 | levi_ | Basically, I'm not convinced that we have sufficient cause to go to war or sufficient plans to fix things after we do. |
| 18:14.09 | Bradipo | Me either. |
| 18:14.49 | levi_ | By all accounts, Hussein is a crazy man and prone to do things he shouldn't. Both to his own people and his neighbors. Iraq would be better off with a better government. But is that sufficient reason for us to declare war? |
| 18:15.21 | Bradipo | Maybe the CIA has discovered something that links Hussein to 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden... |
| 18:15.22 | Bradipo | Who knows. |
| 18:15.49 | Bradipo | I say we leave them alone but be prepared. |
| 18:16.00 | levi_ | Yeah, the gov't may very well know things they're not telling. |
| 18:16.11 | Bradipo | Obviously he must not be that bad of a leader or his own people would have rejected him. |
| 18:16.27 | levi_ | Well, it's hard to reject a military dictator. |
| 18:16.33 | Bradipo | Or, maybe the people is ripe for a revolution. |
| 18:16.34 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:16.43 | levi_ | They tend to kill people who vocally oppose them. |
| 18:17.00 | levi_ | And he hasn't exactly been shy about killing citizens of his nation that he didn't like. |
| 18:17.14 | Bradipo | This is true. |
| 18:19.28 | levi_ | Anyway, the UN inspectors to Iraq are reporting today, and the State of the Union address is coming up, and we ought to find out what's going to happen soon. |
| 18:19.31 | Jayce^ | personally, I'd rather not have a thing to do with them, but I really dont' think we could stop some of the attacks they could provoke (before of after a war) |
| 19:09.39 | Bradipo | Any of you have experience with Xylan switches? |
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| 21:25.47 | Mecworks | Bradipo: Do you know if subnets or wildcards can be used in relay-domains for sendmail? |
| 21:26.20 | Bradipo | Hmm, I don't know if you can use a standard subnet notation, but you might be able to use wildcards. |
| 21:27.02 | Mecworks | k. I'll do a little experimenting... |
| 21:27.13 | Jayce^ | anybody got the bat book? |
| 21:27.32 | Mecworks | I do on CD....gotta start up a browser. |
| 21:28.13 | Jayce^ | you see they have a new version of it? |
| 21:32.50 | Mecworks | nope. That's cool. Probably even thicker. |
| 21:34.01 | Jayce^ | probably.. |
| 21:41.39 | Mecworks | This sucks. I've been beating my head a gainst a wall wondering why my Masquerade settings are not being used in sendmail. I've been testing senging messages as root. It turns out that root's address is never masqueraded....go figure. After several years of working with sendmail something this simple kills me. The problem is that the name of the machine from which the test mails is being sent is not known to the world. Therefore I have been |
| 21:41.39 | Mecworks | rceiving bounces...ugh! |
| 21:42.35 | Jayce^ | ok, anybody know what init script redhat 7.3 runs dhcp server from? |
| 21:42.53 | Jayce^ | a friend who is largely clueless needs help :) and I dont' run redhat.. |
| 21:43.13 | Mecworks | I don't have an RH bos infront of me. |
| 21:43.26 | Mecworks | it's not /etc/init.c/dhcpd is it? |
| 21:45.27 | Jayce^ | that was my guess, but they say no such file (although init.d ) :) |
| 21:48.13 | Mecworks | does 'rpm -qa | grep dhcp" report it being installed? |
| 21:48.43 | Mecworks | is this for the client daemon or the server? |
| 21:49.18 | Mecworks | the client daemon would most likely be /etc/init.c/dhcpcd or something similar |
| 21:49.21 | Jayce^ | server, they say it was serving fine until 2pm, and now nada.. |
| 21:49.29 | Mecworks | hm |
| 21:49.43 | Jayce^ | client should be /etc/init.d/networking shouldnt' it? |
| 21:49.50 | Mecworks | it might also be in /etc/rc.d/init.d/ |
| 21:50.06 | Mecworks | yea, most likely. |
| 21:50.08 | Jayce^ | I checked that too.. |
| 21:50.35 | Mecworks | ls /etc/init.d/*dhcp* ??? |
| 21:55.50 | neybar | look for a bind init script |
| 21:56.17 | Jayce^ | bind? for dhcp? what they smoking? |
| 21:59.13 | neybar | nm, I was thinking dns... heh |
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| 22:13.31 | Mecworks | Anyone know why SuSE uses the group 'users' as the default group and does not use user-groups? |
| 22:14.19 | kryptik | hehe, cause SuSe sucks.. |
| 22:14.39 | Mecworks | heh...but I need a real reason... 8^) |
| 22:15.04 | kryptik | Heh |
| 22:15.27 | kryptik | Well in that case.. I havn't the slightest.. sorry :( |
| 22:15.45 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 22:19.36 | TimRiker | rh has /etc/rc.c/init.d |
| 22:19.59 | TimRiker | you could check on the SF compile farm if you have an account there. |
| 22:20.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, finally got the guy to find it, now trying to walk through finding out what his .conf file error is (whish seems to be the problem) |
| 22:20.13 | Jayce^ | which |
| 22:24.04 | han_solo | TimRiker: hasn't redhat begun moving to the more standard /etc/init.d ? At least on this box /etc/init.d -> /etc/rc.d/init.d |
| 23:47.08 | Bradipo | Does anyone here use SpamCop in production to block email? |
| 23:49.01 | kryptik | dev-c++ sucks |
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