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00:58.09StuartJansenHowdy.
00:58.16BradipoHello.
00:59.15kryptikHey.
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04:04.48brailsmtanyone know where i could look to get some cheapo old computers, for like $20-$50?
04:04.56brailsmtno monitors necesary...
04:40.13brailsmtfunny how a search for RMI turns up Remote Method Ivocation as well as Republic of the *Marhall* Islands
04:40.16brailsmt:)
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05:49.01brailsmt*incantation*
05:49.10brailsmt...
05:49.13brailsmtdangit...
05:49.16brailsmt:)
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06:39.07MecworksTimRikerOut: do you have any pointeres to making certificates for https and stunnel?
06:39.19MecworksURL or other?
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06:45.03TimRikerMecworks: I create one and use the same for apache-ssl and imaps pop3s
06:45.33TimRikerI just used the stuff in openssl package but extended the time to 10 years instead of ... hmm 30 days?
06:46.20Mecworkscool.   Thanks.  I was wondering if the two certificates were different or not.  Thanks.
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07:44.23MecworksTimRiker: have you seen this?  http://www.stunnel.org/examples/mult_cannonical.html
07:49.28TimRikercool. I use *.rikers.org iirc.
07:50.43TimRikernope, looks like I'm just rikers.org now.
07:51.24TimRikerthis would be very useful to anyone buying a ssl key. 99.99% of people list one specific servername when they could be resuing the same key on multiple servers.
07:52.20TimRikerI can't tell ya how many sites I've seen with foobar.example.com who gripe when they want to change the server name. ugh.
07:57.13Mecworksyup, that's what I was thinking.  I dont see a mention of a limit so you might be able to make one cert for a _lot_ of your systems even plan ahead...
08:21.48TimRikerThe keep-alive mechanism for Microsoft SQL Server 2000 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (bandwidth consumption) via a "ping" style packet to the Resolution Service (UDP port 1434) with a spoofed IP address of another SQL Server system, which causes the two servers to exchange packets in an infinite loop.
08:21.54TimRikergoing on on a network near you.
08:57.08brailsmtyou see that security alert for CVS the other day?
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10:43.55BradipoWow.
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11:22.08BradipoWow.
11:22.16BradipoMe too, unfortunately.
11:24.23kryptikheh
11:24.29BradipoGot called in.
11:24.50BradipoOur network went down thanks to the latest Microsoft security hole in IIS and SQL.
11:25.03kryptikHah. Go figure..
11:25.08kryptikSorry you have to be up
11:25.16kryptikEspecially on a friday...
11:25.18BradipoOne stinking box kill our switch and our router.
11:25.20kryptikerr saturday :)
11:25.22Bradipolol
11:25.25kryptikheh.
11:25.38kryptikSo where do you work.
11:25.43BradipoI unplugged the Winblows box and it is fine now.
11:25.47BradipoSCO/Caldera
11:25.51kryptikHeh
11:25.56kryptikYou work for them?
11:26.00BradipoYeah.
11:26.04kryptikMan, your my hero
11:26.09Bradipolol
11:26.38BradipoTimRiker used to work here too.
11:26.43kryptikyea?
11:26.47kryptikWhats it like?
11:26.47BradipoSo did Mecworks
11:26.59kryptikman..
11:27.00BradipoWell, I work in IT, but I enjoy it.
11:27.06kryptikHmm.
11:27.28kryptikWould you happen to know what age they start hiring at?
11:27.49BradipoHmm, that's a good question.
11:28.15BradipoI started here when I was 25.
11:28.26kryptikHmm.
11:28.35kryptikWell I am 16..
11:29.09BradipoSometimes it's the experience that counts.
11:29.16kryptikyea.
11:29.26BradipoIf you're good at what you do and it fits the job, then they might hire.
11:29.32kryptikHmm
11:29.35BradipoUnfortunately we aren't in a hiring position right now, I think.
11:29.38kryptikYea.
11:29.41kryptikWell I wouldnt think so.
11:29.43kryptik:(
11:31.46kryptikHey, if an opensource development team were to code a piece of software for you personally, what would you ask for?
11:37.51BradipoHmm, good question.
11:37.59BradipoA decent replacement for Windows.
11:38.05kryptikheh. :)
11:38.12BradipoMy pager is going off like mad.
11:38.25kryptikbad time to talk?
11:38.30BradipoApparently Nextel's network was also down because they are just coming through now.
11:38.33BradipoOh, not at all.
11:38.40BradipoI fixed the problem a while ago.
11:38.52kryptikOh, ok.
11:38.54BradipoNow the pages that backed up because Nextel was down are coming in.
11:39.06kryptikHmm. So it was a big issue, I take it
11:39.12BradipoVery big.
11:39.18BradipoWait until you see the news.
11:39.22BradipoIt's probably already on /.
11:39.42BradipoIf not, it will be.
11:40.21BradipoXMission had to shutdown some of their customer's sites.
11:40.35kryptikwow.
11:40.36BradipoOur ISP here at SCO was about to turn ours off as well.
11:40.40kryptikWow
11:41.02BradipoA lot of people will be up late tonight.
11:41.26BradipoI sure wish I could send Microsludge a bill for this.
11:41.31kryptikyea.
11:41.39kryptikwell you can help us all out by hiring a hitman.
11:42.51kryptikAlso, is that really what you would as from an opensource dev team?
11:43.08BradipoHmm, not really.
11:43.11BradipoI have that.
11:43.21BradipoWhat I would like is something that I can sell to my boss as a replacement for Windows.
11:43.25kryptikheh.
11:43.27BradipoSomething that is compatible.
11:43.37BradipoHowever, there is a gap in Linux software.
11:43.51BradipoWe have Office suites, networking tools, CAD, math, etc...
11:43.55kryptikyea?
11:43.57BradipoBut we really don't have any childrens programs.
11:44.05kryptikYea, thats true.
11:44.19kryptikthe geeks who write it, dont have a need though.
11:44.30BradipoWell, I could be one of those geeks.
11:44.31kryptikbut i think that would pull linux to the next level.
11:44.33kryptikheh.
11:44.38BradipoI have a new baby daughter.
11:44.46kryptikwow, congratz
11:44.50BradipoI don't know what programs I can interest her in though in Linux.
11:44.58kryptikHow old is she
11:45.06Bradipo4.5 months.
11:45.09kryptikHeh, nothing then..
11:45.13BradipoBut they learn fast.
11:45.13kryptiknot yet anyways
11:45.19kryptikyea, thats true.
11:45.28BradipoAnd when she gets to that age, what will I be able to show her?  How to compile the kernel?
11:45.38kryptikHeh.
11:45.50BradipoI don't want to get her into the Internet too early but that is where Linux lives.
11:45.55kryptikYea it is.
11:45.59BradipoExcels.
11:45.59kryptikAnd why not?
11:46.22BradipoWell, I do I guess, but I don't want that to be the only thing.
11:46.27kryptikYea.
11:46.40BradipoAnyway, I think I'm heading home.
11:46.45BradipoIt's been a long night.
11:46.46kryptikOk, good talking to you.
11:46.51BradipoYeah.
11:46.53kryptiktake it easy :)
11:46.56Bradipo:-)
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16:58.27Mecworksanyone online?
16:58.39MecworksI mean...awake?
17:00.52han_soloyo
17:02.18MecworksHey, I hanvt looked very closely into this yet but how can one add tasks (scripts) that get exicuted when running adduser?  I need to add a cronjob for every user when they are added.
17:21.32han_solohmm
17:21.39han_solothere may be, I haven't looked
17:21.56han_solocould you put something in /etc/skeleton, or is it interactive?
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17:30.52Mecworksoh, cool;
17:31.49han_solois there a way for a regular user to have a script run on boot?
17:34.24Mecworksdon't think so.  other than cron
18:50.01Bonez39greetings
18:50.33Bonez39do any of you use toms root boot?
18:53.35Jayce^nope
18:58.18han_soloBonez39: I've used it many a time
18:59.47Bonez39I am creating a disk now...I want to create a swap and data partition on my other drive...and couldn't figure out how to boot up without loading debian or caldera...figure using toms boot disk..might help make this safer
19:00.18Bonez39I still have to figure out how transfer my email address book, folders and such over to debian...
19:00.32Bonez39is there a channel here devoted to pilot synch issues?
19:02.16Jayce^not sure..
19:04.24han_soloBonez39: probably just copying everything from /mnt/caldera/home/your-username to /home/your-username would get most of that stuff transferred over
19:08.18han_solosomething like cp -r /mnt/caldera/home/bonez /home/bonez might work - but I'd test it with some toy directories in /tmp or something firs
19:08.18han_solot
19:09.51han_sologo ahead and ask stuff here though. Any progress since I was there?
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19:11.32Bonez39ok, that brings up one other issue..I am pusshing at 97% usage already on my debian drive...
19:11.56Bonez39I need to figure out how to offload or divert some of my stuff to a different partition...so that I dont' run into space issues....
19:13.32Bradipo_Bonez39: Did you get your drive repartitioned?
19:14.00Bonez39I am going to do that now with toms root boot
19:14.10Bonez39then I wil have about 1 gig open to store files..
19:14.16Bonez39plus a swap file too
19:15.23Bonez39so, I'll go get that done and then be back here...
19:16.25han_soloI've done that before. basically you figure out what you want to move where, tar it up, set up the mount points and mount it, then untar it in its new place. when you have verified it, unmount and delete the original branch and remount
19:16.25han_soloBonez39: is the home directory on your caldera setup its own partition?
19:17.00Bradipo_I think he left.
19:17.26MecworksAnyone notice that Suse does not usualy setup a loopback network route?
19:18.33Bradipo_I noticed.
19:18.54Mecworksisnt that weird?
19:19.21Mecworksdoing 'route add -n 127.0.0.0' returns an error
19:19.23Bradipo_Yeah, it bugs me a bit everytime I get on there.
19:19.24han_solosigh. continually plagued by lag, I am.
19:19.44Bradipo_han_solo: You don't have an infected system on your network do you?
19:19.46Mecworksroute add -net 127.0.0.0
19:20.21Mecworksreturns an error on my suse box
19:20.45Bradipo_Try adding a device: route add -net 127.0.0.0 dev lo
19:21.07MecworksI did that too....
19:21.22Mecworksmail:~ #  route add -net 127.0.0.0 dev lo
19:21.23MecworksSIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
19:21.40Bradipo_Hmm.
19:21.51Mecworkslo        Link encap:Local Loopback
19:21.51Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.51Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.51Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.51Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.52Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.54Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.56Mecworks<PROTECTED>
19:21.58Mecworks(from ifconfig
19:22.00Mecworks)
19:22.46Bradipo_That's odd.
19:22.51Bradipo_Can you add a host route for lo?
19:22.53Mecworksyup!
19:24.31han_soloinfected? by what? I'm on BYU resnet - I'm sure there's lots of infected systems in one way or another (even if merely infected by windows ;-)
19:25.09MecworksBradipo: This works:  route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo
19:25.39Bradipo_http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/25/1245206&mode=thread&tid=109
19:25.43Bradipo_Ahh, the netmask.
19:25.50Bradipo_han_solo: It affected a large part of the Internet.
19:25.57Mecworksbut that shouldn't have to be specified
19:26.06Bradipo_I had to go in late last night because it killed our DMZ switch and router needed a reboot.
19:26.14Bradipo_I agree.
19:26.31Mecworkseven according to the route manpage
19:26.43Bradipo_I can't read the route man page on my system:
19:26.51Bradipo_/usr/man/man8/route.8.gz.orig:1: warning: can't find character with input code 225
19:26.55Bradipo_/usr/man/man8/route.8.gz.orig:1: warning: can't find character with input code 166
19:27.56Bradipo_Heh, I deleted that file and it works.
19:28.30Mecworks8^)
19:28.45Mecworksneeded to be recompressed
19:29.37Bradipo_Right, but I wonder how it got screwed, and why was it reading a .gz.orig anyway instead of the 8.gz or the .8 ?
19:30.35Mecworksif it was created as part of an RPM or deb package with a system that has all the character ecoding support then used on a system without, one might get that error.
19:30.54MecworksI'm guessing.
19:30.57Bradipo_Well, it was newly created (I mean just now).
19:31.07Bradipo_And this system is very old hasn't been modified in years.
19:31.12Mecworksweird
19:31.29MecworksHey, anyone know the URL to Tim's ibot stats page?
19:31.30Bradipo_Yeah.
19:31.57MecworksI need to see who that latest potty mouth is.... 8^)
19:32.28Bradipo_Won't be me.
19:32.36Mecworks8^)
19:33.08Mecworksibot: who are you?
19:33.13well, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.
19:33.17han_soloBradipo: interesting theory, but alas I've been struggling with it for at least a week now.
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19:34.39Mecworkshttp://ibot.rikers.org/stats/utah.html.gz
19:35.49han_soloall other net access is normal, it's just irc
19:36.27Bradipo_Oh.
19:36.29Bradipo_That's odd.
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19:39.58han_soloheh, now I'm the potty mouth. wonder what I said.
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19:57.56Bonez39anyone? I created two partitions from my (former) hda5 partition
19:58.17Bonez39how do I now format them so that they are usable?
19:58.25Bonez39dumb questions, I know...
20:01.00Bonez39well, my times' up for now.back later
20:01.15kryptikheh
20:02.35MecworksBradipo: what do you need to do to make xntp accept requests for time sync?  I'm getting a failed message when a client tries to connect to a server running ntp.
20:03.01han_soloBonez39: mkfs /dev/hda<insert correct # here>
20:03.27kryptikhan_solo: he is gone, bud.
20:04.02MecworksOk.  Anyone else know?
20:04.56Bradipo_Mecworks: you need to have the port open.
20:05.01Bradipo_NTP uses port 123
20:07.24Mecworkshm.  Checking inetd.conf...
20:07.56kryptikBradipo_: You were right man... It was big :)
20:09.59MecworksBradipo: hm ntpd is running as a daemon.  I am firewalling the world but open on the internal network...still failing.
20:10.20Bradipo_Is ntp working on the server?
20:11.47Mecworksntp       1956  0.0  0.3  1780 1776 ?        SL   12:58   0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -U ntp
20:12.09Bradipo_ntpq> pe
20:12.12Bradipo_Type: ntpq
20:12.17Bradipo_Then pe.
20:13.30Mecworksntpq> pe
20:13.30Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:13.30Mecworks==============================================================================
20:13.30Mecworks*LOCAL(0)        LOCAL(0)        10 l   51   64  377    0.000    0.000   0.008
20:13.30Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:13.31Mecworks<PROTECTED>
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20:13.37Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:13.39Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:18.45Bradipo_Hmm.
20:19.03Bradipo_None of them have synched yet it looks like.
20:19.07MecworksHowever, iot
20:19.12Mecworksit's listening...
20:19.15Mecworksmail:/usr/share/doc/packages/xntp/scripts/support # lsof | grep ntpd
20:19.26Mecworksntpd      1956   ntp    4u  IPv4      13297               UDP *:ntp
20:19.27Mecworksntpd      1956   ntp    5u  IPv4      13298               UDP localhost:ntp
20:19.27Mecworksntpd      1956   ntp    6u  IPv4      13299               UDP mail.westernleisure.com:ntp
20:19.27Mecworksntpd      1956   ntp    7u  IPv4      13300               UDP mail.westernleisure.com:ntp
20:21.55Bradipo_Yeah, it's listening.
20:22.13Bradipo_It probably won't give out time until all the time servers have reached 377 though.
20:23.02Mecworkshm.
20:23.13Bradipo_So, if they never go beyond 0 then you have a problem.
20:23.27Bradipo_Maybe they aren't communicating with the servers you have listed (firewall possibly).
20:23.45Mecworksit's working now...
20:23.48Mecworksgo figure.
20:23.55MecworksI didn't change anyhing.
20:24.16Bradipo_What does ntpq say now though?
20:24.26MecworksBTW, anyone know of an NTP client for MS window's?
20:24.33Bradipo_nettime.sf.net
20:24.39Mecworksntpq> pe
20:24.39Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:24.39Mecworks==============================================================================
20:24.39Mecworks*LOCAL(0)        LOCAL(0)        10 l   13   64  377    0.000    0.000   0.008
20:24.39Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:24.40Mecworks<PROTECTED>
20:24.42Mecworks<PROTECTED>
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20:24.55Bradipo_Interesting.
20:24.59Mecworkspoll changed.
20:25.02Bradipo_Right.
20:25.03Mecworksreach didn't
20:25.10Bradipo_That just means it's backing off I think.
20:26.11Bradipo_That's what mine looks like.
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