| 00:26.47 | kryptik | nm |
| 00:27.01 | kryptik | I did not mean to say that; wrong channel |
| 00:27.03 | kryptik | :( |
| 00:27.40 | levi_ | Ahhhh. :) |
| 00:28.25 | levi_ | By the time hardware is fast enough to emulate an xbox, you'll have the money to buy one. ;) |
| 00:28.56 | kryptik | it is more expensive to buy the hardware than it is to purchase the xbox itself |
| 00:30.09 | kryptik | Its technically not feasable atm; there are several groups trying to do it, all working with the same set of standards, but in all reality I dont think emulation of those systems will be usable for another year or two |
| 00:31.42 | levi_ | Well, considering they're computing machines and all computing machines are theoretically equivalent, given the right programs... |
| 00:32.01 | levi_ | The only question is whether you can emulate fast enough to be usable. :) |
| 00:32.42 | kryptik | Yea the emulation right now is extremely slow. |
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| 01:25.11 | kryptik | Anyone interested in socket programming with cpp; I just found a really good tutorial. |
| 01:25.23 | kryptik | http://www.hal-pc.org/~johnnie2/winsock.html |
| 01:25.27 | kryptik | Enjoy. |
| 03:23.19 | han_solo | anyone know why my base class methods are being called instead of the subclasses (i.e. what would make c++ be non-polymorphic) |
| 03:24.40 | kryptik | han_solo: what is polymorphic? |
| 03:25.57 | han_solo | when a derived class overrides methods of the base class, they can be called polymorphically. i.e. |
| 03:26.16 | kryptik | han_solo: uhhhh ok. |
| 03:26.31 | han_solo | if I have a Car object, but it's really a Buick which inherits from Car, and I do car->honk() it will do the buick honk not the generic car honk (or the vw honk) |
| 03:26.51 | kryptik | hmm |
| 03:27.15 | kryptik | that makes sense |
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| 03:34.48 | han_solo | brailsmt: how goes 460? |
| 03:35.17 | brailsmt | I haven't even started the paper... |
| 03:35.25 | han_solo | me either. the project? |
| 03:35.27 | brailsmt | been doing 345 all day |
| 03:35.49 | brailsmt | i have the push routine coded (not tested) |
| 03:36.25 | han_solo | i'm having a devil of a time with the weirdest thing. for some reason the polymorphic calls to push and pop are executing the protocol code |
| 03:37.00 | kryptik | How do I find the path to perl |
| 03:37.03 | brailsmt | wierd... |
| 03:37.19 | brailsmt | kryptik: 'locate perl' |
| 03:37.23 | brailsmt | is one way |
| 03:37.33 | han_solo | i have it all coded up, but I can't debug it because of this weirdness |
| 03:37.42 | han_solo | I have unit tested it though, so sitting good |
| 03:38.13 | Mecworks | kryptik: 'which perl' |
| 03:39.01 | brailsmt | han_solo: you used to physical layer from the last lab? |
| 03:39.03 | kryptik | Mecworks: I type that |
| 03:39.04 | kryptik | ? |
| 03:39.11 | brailsmt | kryptik: yes |
| 03:39.36 | kryptik | brailsmt, Mecworks and han_solo: thank you all |
| 03:40.27 | han_solo | brailsmt: yes |
| 03:42.33 | brailsmt | han_solo: how did you unit test? I did my bit accessing routing in a c file and then copied them over into the classes... |
| 03:42.52 | brailsmt | because I can't figure out the code that was given to us... |
| 03:43.01 | brailsmt | and it is so well commented... |
| 03:43.08 | kryptik | would 'find / -name \*perl\* 2>/dev/null' find it |
| 03:43.11 | kryptik | Cause it isnt |
| 03:43.17 | han_solo | what about it? |
| 03:43.40 | kryptik | The path |
| 03:44.21 | brailsmt | han_solo: im just not good at reading other people code, i guess... anyway, i guess i'll figure it out... |
| 03:44.29 | han_solo | it's junk is what it is. I wrote an encoding and decoding class, and unit tested my stuffing |
| 03:46.57 | brailsmt | i wrote and complained to the TAs about the Makefile not working without making modifications, and they wrote back saying that they didn |
| 03:47.02 | brailsmt | 't write it |
| 03:48.07 | han_solo | the whole thing is a huge hack |
| 03:48.21 | han_solo | they didn't even bother to get the usage formatted right |
| 03:49.12 | brailsmt | it looks like C that has been partially ported to C++... |
| 03:49.43 | brailsmt | not to mention #include that are outside of #ifndef ... #define ... #endif blocks... |
| 03:50.03 | brailsmt | #include <stdio.h> instead of <cstdio>... |
| 03:50.09 | brailsmt | anyway... |
| 03:50.28 | han_solo | hmm. not even gcc 3 complains about that one |
| 03:50.40 | brailsmt | the makefile was written by someone that doesn't know makefiles well |
| 03:50.46 | brailsmt | mine does |
| 03:51.03 | han_solo | hmm |
| 03:51.17 | han_solo | maybe 3.2 (is that it?) is more strict than 3.0 |
| 03:51.42 | han_solo | I wrote a real nice makefile |
| 03:51.52 | brailsmt | there is a #ifdef C++ #warning #endif type thing in the <stdio.h> header... or something |
| 03:52.15 | brailsmt | i wrote on with only one target and sent it back to the TAs |
| 03:52.21 | Mecworks | kryptik: did 'which perl' not work for you? |
| 03:52.49 | brailsmt | anyway, they said to go talk to Dr. Clements with code complaints... |
| 03:53.48 | kryptik | Mecworks: no, I am on a remote server (denver) and the commands are limited |
| 03:54.06 | han_solo | I'm keeping all my code and theirs in cvs |
| 03:54.41 | brailsmt | i wrote a script to change all the file names to .cpp and then change the makefile accordingly... :) |
| 03:54.42 | han_solo | I'm going to go through the hassle of merging the changes from lab to lab in provided code so that I don't have to fight with the moronocity every time. I'll give Dr. Clement my version of their code when it's all done |
| 03:54.59 | han_solo | I like .cc |
| 03:55.21 | brailsmt | i need to make a sed script to make all the class names uppercase... |
| 03:55.34 | han_solo | linux standard, from what I've seen |
| 03:55.36 | brailsmt | but that is a style issue, and not something I am gonna complain about... |
| 03:56.15 | brailsmt | all c++ code I have seen have uppercase class names... |
| 03:56.21 | brailsmt | except that stl |
| 03:56.26 | brailsmt | s/that/the |
| 03:57.26 | Mecworks | kryptik: 'find / -iname "perl" |
| 03:58.19 | kryptik | Mecworks: And what does -iname do |
| 03:58.26 | kryptik | Mecworks: I am trying it |
| 03:58.51 | Mecworks | case insensitive, just incase they named it 'Perl' |
| 03:59.07 | kryptik | Ahh ok |
| 03:59.09 | kryptik | Sweet |
| 03:59.29 | brailsmt | han_solo: isn't the second paper due tommorrow? |
| 04:04.40 | han_solo | yeah. by midnight |
| 04:06.32 | kryptik | You guys in the same class I take it |
| 04:07.21 | Mecworks | kryptik: 'whereis perl' may also work |
| 04:07.52 | brailsmt | kryptik: yes |
| 04:08.00 | kryptik | Ok. |
| 04:09.36 | brailsmt | han_solo: i might try to do a secure ftp pkg for ruby, since it came up in ruby-talk |
| 04:09.42 | brailsmt | in C of course... |
| 04:09.57 | Mecworks | kryptik: is perl supposed to be installed? |
| 04:10.49 | kryptik | Yea, it comes standard on these servers |
| 04:11.37 | Mecworks | is it in your path? ie, when you type 'perl' does it run? |
| 04:12.14 | kryptik | Yea it does |
| 04:12.22 | kryptik | that gives me an idea |
| 04:12.26 | Mecworks | are you using bash shell? |
| 04:12.32 | kryptik | I can just see what it is set to by typing set |
| 04:13.00 | Mecworks | yes. or 'export | grep PATH' |
| 04:13.20 | Mecworks | it will be in one of thoes directries.. |
| 04:13.25 | kryptik | Ok, cool |
| 04:13.28 | kryptik | Thanks guys |
| 04:13.42 | Mecworks | np |
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| 05:08.35 | han_solo | brailsmt: fun. I think I'm going to hack mutt |
| 05:09.03 | brailsmt | fun |
| 05:09.05 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:09.16 | han_solo | I'm going to do disconnected imap mode. mutt has fine 'online' imap mode, but you have to refetch all the headers and all that every time. not ideal when you have big mailboxes like me |
| 05:15.07 | han_solo | bught all |
| 05:15.07 | han_solo | er, night all |
| 05:15.15 | Jayce^ | l8r |
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| 05:25.28 | kryptik | wee I am back |
| 05:26.30 | brailsmt | wb |
| 05:26.46 | kryptik | ty |
| 05:27.16 | Bradipo_ | So, anyone recommend *good* rbls? |
| 05:27.27 | Bradipo_ | Is ordb.org good? |
| 05:28.30 | kryptik | rbls? ordb? |
| 05:28.52 | Bradipo_ | Realtime Blackhole List |
| 05:29.04 | brailsmt | rbls are worth much, I prefer us dollars... |
| 05:29.05 | kryptik | openrelay database |
| 05:29.05 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:30.48 | kryptik | ahh, spam blocker |
| 05:31.01 | Bradipo_ | Yes. |
| 05:31.02 | kryptik | hurray!! |
| 05:31.12 | Bradipo_ | I am looking for some reliable RBLs because we are just getting slammed with spam at work. |
| 05:31.31 | kryptik | Hmm |
| 05:31.36 | kryptik | Do they all work pretty good |
| 05:31.45 | Bradipo_ | Yes and no. |
| 05:32.00 | Bradipo_ | I want an RBL that is updated but isn't too restrictive. |
| 05:32.52 | kryptik | And do people just give the addy of a spammer to the db? Is it just a long list of addresses to block |
| 05:32.53 | kryptik | ? |
| 05:33.03 | Bradipo_ | It is a long list. |
| 05:33.16 | Bradipo_ | But the addresses are usually dynamic. |
| 05:33.17 | kryptik | LONG, eh |
| 05:33.18 | kryptik | heh |
| 05:33.23 | Bradipo_ | An address is only listed if it relays spam. |
| 05:33.26 | kryptik | Ahh, so then how does it catch them all |
| 05:33.30 | kryptik | Ahh ok |
| 05:33.32 | Bradipo_ | It doesn't. |
| 05:33.40 | Bradipo_ | Some servers don't relay as an open relay. |
| 05:33.45 | Bradipo_ | But still deliver spam. |
| 05:33.49 | kryptik | Yea. ok. |
| 05:34.35 | kryptik | Where do you learn all this shiznit.. not just about RBL's but about everything.. how do you guys keep up to day |
| 05:34.37 | kryptik | date |
| 05:34.41 | kryptik | s/day/date/ |
| 05:35.09 | Bradipo_ | Just getting involved. |
| 05:35.19 | kryptik | Where at..? |
| 05:35.31 | Bradipo_ | You must not get a lot of spam, or you would have already been looking at ways of blocking it. :-) |
| 05:35.31 | brailsmt | my new syscall works!!! |
| 05:35.41 | kryptik | heh, I dont |
| 05:35.48 | kryptik | I dont think I have gotten one yet |
| 05:35.52 | brailsmt | i have the good ole... |
| 05:35.53 | brailsmt | :0: |
| 05:35.57 | brailsmt | * ... |
| 05:36.00 | brailsmt | /dev/null |
| 05:36.01 | Bradipo_ | Want som? |
| 05:36.02 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:36.06 | Bradipo_ | some. |
| 05:36.10 | kryptik | I have before, but not on my new addy.. I have had it a half year |
| 05:36.40 | Bradipo_ | What I find pitiful is that a lot of spam is in a language I can't even read. |
| 05:36.50 | kryptik | Heh |
| 05:37.01 | kryptik | heh |
| 05:38.03 | kryptik | man, I have way to many bookmarks.. |
| 05:38.06 | kryptik | 700+ |
| 05:38.09 | Bradipo_ | Yep. |
| 05:38.13 | brailsmt | i wanna know whats up with emacs equivalent of vi modelines in the kernel source, but no vi modelines... |
| 05:38.45 | brailsmt | my wife bookmarks every recipe she finds... it gets annoying |
| 05:39.30 | kryptik | Lol |
| 05:39.48 | kryptik | I bookmark everything |
| 05:39.56 | kryptik | if I see something cool, i bookmark t |
| 05:39.58 | kryptik | it |
| 05:40.40 | kryptik | I dont think I have ever seen bbeattie talk. |
| 05:40.47 | kryptik | Have you guys |
| 05:40.50 | brailsmt | and she is of the one cpu, one login mindset, when I tell her to use her own account to do hat, she says that she shouldn't have to have a seperate login... so I just smile and say "you're right"... |
| 05:40.59 | brailsmt | yes |
| 05:41.15 | kryptik | heh |
| 05:41.59 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: I have the answer for your recipies. |
| 05:42.04 | Bradipo_ | Maybe you already have it... |
| 05:42.17 | Bradipo_ | http://www.recipesource.com/ |
| 05:42.25 | Bradipo_ | I think there are over 65,000 recipes there. |
| 05:42.29 | brailsmt | the downside is that my setup is not designed to make linux user friendly, it is designed so that I can work efficiently... as a result she thinks linux is an impossibly difficult OS to use... |
| 05:42.38 | kryptik | Thats not an answer.. thats a problem |
| 05:42.41 | Bradipo_ | Never need another bookmark. |
| 05:42.48 | kryptik | Oh, ok. |
| 05:43.10 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: i think she has ammased that many recipes on our machine :) |
| 05:43.22 | brailsmt | s/ammased/amassed |
| 05:43.24 | Bradipo_ | lol |
| 05:43.47 | brailsmt | i am not kidding... |
| 05:44.31 | Bradipo_ | The question is does she use them? |
| 05:44.36 | kryptik | I bet she cooks good food though. |
| 05:44.41 | brailsmt | she has 44M of recipes, none of which are bigger than 10-15K |
| 05:44.50 | kryptik | Holy cow. |
| 05:45.06 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: we can't afford all the inredients for the good ones :) |
| 05:45.14 | kryptik | hehe. |
| 05:45.28 | Bradipo_ | I know what you mean. |
| 05:45.39 | brailsmt | we have our recipe rotation pretty well fixed, about every two weeks she will try a new recipe... |
| 05:45.46 | Bradipo_ | That's good. |
| 05:46.19 | brailsmt | but she is in school fulltime too, and she works, so she is too busy to cook as much as she would like |
| 05:46.49 | kryptik | What do both of you do for a living? |
| 05:46.57 | brailsmt | anyway, I am too busy to cook much more than our favorite quick recipes and tater tots and chicken nuggets... |
| 05:47.04 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:47.25 | Bradipo_ | I usually only get to cook on the weekends. |
| 05:47.36 | Bradipo_ | I'm postmaster at SCO. |
| 05:47.42 | Bradipo_ | And various other administrative tasks. |
| 05:47.51 | brailsmt | she works (i keep trying to get her to let me work, but she insists thatI focus on school and school alone...) |
| 05:48.01 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: same here. |
| 05:48.15 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: well, I work but should finish up school. |
| 05:48.56 | brailsmt | i was really pushing to work with a professor this semester, but when a woman makes up her mind and is convinced she is right, we just don't stand a chance :) |
| 05:49.17 | Bradipo_ | Which professor? |
| 05:49.20 | Bradipo_ | If you don't mind... |
| 05:49.22 | brailsmt | i graduate in august anyways... |
| 05:49.27 | Bradipo_ | That's good. |
| 05:49.29 | brailsmt | Dr. Woodfiels |
| 05:49.35 | brailsmt | s/s/d |
| 05:50.18 | brailsmt | i am still keeping in touch with him for when I can join up and help out, he is keeping aprised of what he is working on... |
| 05:51.03 | kryptik | I can only use free ide's, and I was told borland was best |
| 05:51.07 | brailsmt | i used to swear by jbuilder, but ant/vim/jswat is a better combo, IMO |
| 05:51.38 | brailsmt | kryptik: ides are waaayyy bloated |
| 05:51.46 | kryptik | I am on windows |
| 05:51.53 | kryptik | so I have like four choices |
| 05:51.57 | kryptik | that are free.. |
| 05:52.16 | brailsmt | you are seriously better off with editor/compiler combos, IMO of course |
| 05:52.21 | brailsmt | java or c++? |
| 05:52.29 | kryptik | c++ |
| 05:52.37 | kryptik | I just cant afford the good stuff |
| 05:52.47 | brailsmt | that makes it more difficult, but i would still go for cygwin |
| 05:52.49 | Bradipo_ | kryptik: sure you can. |
| 05:52.56 | Bradipo_ | gcc, make and vi are free. |
| 05:53.06 | brailsmt | as is gbd and ddd |
| 05:53.14 | kryptik | hmm. and I need cygwin to use them.. |
| 05:53.17 | kryptik | I may check it out |
| 05:53.33 | brailsmt | dia/vim/make/ddd/valgrind is my 'IDE' |
| 05:53.36 | Bradipo_ | You can get linux instead (I don't personally like cygwin). |
| 05:53.42 | Bradipo_ | Is Winblows a requirement or something? |
| 05:53.54 | kryptik | I dont like cygwin.. and I have gentoo |
| 05:54.00 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: i don't like cygwin either, but it is better than windows... |
| 05:54.25 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: If I have to work on Windows I get putty and ssh into a linux system. :-) |
| 05:54.37 | kryptik | Heh. I do that sometimes.. |
| 05:54.37 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 05:55.26 | brailsmt | i still can't believe that little old me just added a syscall to linux :) |
| 05:55.38 | kryptik | heh. Was it hard? |
| 05:55.51 | brailsmt | no |
| 05:55.52 | Bradipo_ | which syscall? |
| 05:55.58 | Bradipo_ | Or rather, what did you add? |
| 05:56.20 | brailsmt | my very own (useless) syscall... one of the pedagogic exercizes |
| 05:56.31 | kryptik | heh. |
| 05:56.46 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.46 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.46 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.46 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.48 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.52 | brailsmt | that is it... |
| 05:56.57 | brailsmt | impressive, huh? |
| 05:57.07 | kryptik | Hmm |
| 05:57.35 | brailsmt | there is more to it, but that is the actual code executed when the syscall is made |
| 05:57.46 | brailsmt | now i have to embellish it |
| 05:59.22 | Bradipo_ | Very impressive. |
| 05:59.50 | kryptik | Heh |
| 06:00.00 | kryptik | bbeattie: So he does.. |
| 06:00.16 | bbeattie | ;) |
| 06:02.52 | Bonez39 | if I want to carve up a spare partition on my hda drive...making part of it for swap file and another part for data storage, do I delete the partition first? how using fdisk would I approach this? |
| 06:03.13 | Bradipo_ | If you don't care about the data that is currently on there, simply repartition. |
| 06:03.15 | brailsmt | sounds right to me |
| 06:04.01 | kryptik | If you guys could have a Dev Team write any piece of software... what would you ask for |
| 06:04.13 | Bonez39 | well, it has a few win98 folders..but I don't need them... |
| 06:04.59 | Bonez39 | so if I run 'fdisk /dev/hda' and then what from there? I am just nervous, never having tried this... |
| 06:05.20 | Bonez39 | I need to create a small part of that partition for swap file..and the rest will be a data partition |
| 06:05.49 | brailsmt | Bonez39: use cfdisk, it is easier than fdisk |
| 06:05.55 | brailsmt | i use cfdisk |
| 06:06.08 | Bonez39 | really? why do you like it better? |
| 06:06.27 | brailsmt | it is easier for me to use |
| 06:06.29 | Bradipo_ | Nothing to be nervous about, all you're doing is changing the partitions. You can't hurt the drive. |
| 06:06.51 | Bradipo_ | I personally don't care which fdisk, but cfdisk has an easier interface I believe. |
| 06:06.56 | brailsmt | i always get nervous when slicing up my drive |
| 06:07.13 | Bradipo_ | Interesting. |
| 06:07.16 | brailsmt | especially the first time |
| 06:07.25 | Bonez39 | ok, I notice the interface is easier in appearance..ok, so I see three partitions there..the primary is linux, my system...other two are windows... |
| 06:07.32 | brailsmt | i don't know why, i know that the physical disk will be fine... |
| 06:08.08 | Bradipo_ | Do you have a live system on the linux partition? |
| 06:08.20 | Bonez39 | hda5 is 1.2 gig...I need let's say 200 mb of it for swap and then the rest for another partition...how do I carve that partition up into two...so that I can then format one as swap 82 and other as linux, type 83? |
| 06:08.36 | Bonez39 | yeah, my linux system resides on hda1 |
| 06:09.52 | Bradipo_ | Ok, then there is some foundation for the nervousness. |
| 06:10.13 | Bradipo_ | Delete the two windows partitions in fdisk (or cfdisk) |
| 06:10.20 | Bradipo_ | Then add a new paritition for swap that is 200MB. |
| 06:10.38 | Bradipo_ | Then add a final partition for the remainder. |
| 06:11.07 | Bradipo_ | Oh, and if you have hda5 you must be using an extended partition. |
| 06:11.14 | Bradipo_ | How many partitions did you say you had? |
| 06:11.24 | Bradipo_ | 1 linux and 2 windows? |
| 06:11.29 | Bonez39 | I think it is extended\ |
| 06:11.30 | Bradipo_ | So, why the extended partition? |
| 06:12.12 | Bonez39 | right..... |
| 06:12.30 | Bonez39 | why extended? brain fart when setting up windows on this system originally? who knows..! |
| 06:12.59 | Bonez39 | that's how it is...linux now on primary, and then two logical windows partitions |
| 06:13.32 | Bonez39 | I don't want to toast the hda6 partition yet..still have to pull some data off it, but I do want the hda5 space..and don't mind obliterating it |
| 06:14.46 | Bonez39 | so I delete, then write that change, then come back in and write the 200 mb swap...in doing that..will it affect performance if I have the data partition first, and put the swap file back...e.g., make hda5 my .9 gig data partition, and the new hda6 my 200 mb swap? |
| 06:14.55 | Bonez39 | do I ask too many questions? |
| 06:15.00 | brailsmt | no |
| 06:15.07 | Bonez39 | ah..that's a relief. |
| 06:15.18 | Bradipo_ | You can do it all at once. |
| 06:15.21 | Bradipo_ | Delete both partitions. |
| 06:15.26 | Bradipo_ | Add the two new partitions. |
| 06:15.29 | Bradipo_ | Then write the MBR. |
| 06:15.36 | Bonez39 | I have read about how one sets up one's disk has some bearing on how fast data can be written to and read from it |
| 06:15.47 | Bradipo_ | I assume that you aren't doing this from the linux system that resides on the drive (i.e. you are fdisking a live disk). |
| 06:16.08 | Bradipo_ | There are some optimizations, but it all depends on the function of the server. |
| 06:16.13 | Bonez39 | well, I am in the linux system that resides on the disk..should I boot up from a floppy to do this? |
| 06:16.18 | Bradipo_ | Yes. |
| 06:16.37 | Bradipo_ | I would anyway. |
| 06:16.52 | Bonez39 | ok.....I have a caldera system on my secondary drive..I could just boot into that system, and run all this from it, and then reboot, right? |
| 06:17.00 | Bradipo_ | Yep. |
| 06:17.07 | Bradipo_ | Just make sure hda isn't mounted anywhere. |
| 06:17.14 | Bradipo_ | So you have hdb with Caldera on it? |
| 06:17.39 | Bonez39 | yes...... |
| 06:17.44 | Bradipo_ | That would work great. |
| 06:18.40 | Bonez39 | how do I assure that hda is NOT mounted when I load up my caldera system? it boots up GRUB on hda, which then will load my caldera system kernel on hdb3...at that point, hda wouldn't be mounted, would it? |
| 06:20.01 | Bradipo_ | Well, booting doesn't necessarily mean it's mounted. |
| 06:20.11 | Bradipo_ | To check, type; mount |
| 06:20.16 | Bradipo_ | Once it's booted. |
| 06:20.22 | Bonez39 | ok...... |
| 06:20.28 | Bonez39 | and then just proceed from there.. |
| 06:20.44 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 06:20.46 | Bonez39 | ok. going to shut debian down and boot to caldera..and get this done... |
| 06:20.48 | Bonez39 | back soon |
| 06:20.55 | Bradipo_ | Well, if hda is mounted anywhere, just unmount them. |
| 06:20.56 | Bonez39 | and thanks, Brad, Brailsmt |
| 06:21.00 | Bonez39 | ok... |
| 06:22.35 | brailsmt | np... |
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| 06:53.32 | TimRiker | "shut debian down and boot to caldera..and get this done" wow. real work on caldera. ;-) |
| 06:54.36 | Bradipo_ | lol |
| 06:54.51 | Bradipo_ | Good for something. |
| 06:56.15 | TimRiker | cat /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 > /dev/fd0 creates a menuless grub boot floppy. |
| 06:56.49 | Bradipo_ | I'll have to remember that. |
| 06:56.56 | Bradipo_ | Next time I need grub. :-) |
| 06:57.39 | TimRiker | get's you to the grub> prompt and you have to pick kernels and add root= your self. but it's worked well for me when moving drives around. |
| 06:57.42 | brailsmt | grubs taste like chicken... |
| 06:57.55 | TimRiker | mmm... tasty. |
| 06:58.02 | brailsmt | and juice... |
| 06:58.04 | brailsmt | or slimy |
| 06:58.27 | brailsmt | argh... I need an irc client with vim keybindings... |
| 06:58.39 | TimRiker | grub rox. almost make me feel like having a computer with a real bios/bootloader. |
| 06:59.37 | brailsmt | i wish i could get grub to use the whole screen for the boot menu... |
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| 07:31.24 | Bonez39 | brad, brailsmt? either of you still here? |
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| 16:53.16 | Bradipo | Bonez39: You get your partitions setup? |
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| 19:44.02 | han_solo | Jayce^: That video killed the radio star is way cool |
| 19:44.04 | han_solo | fascinating. I was thinking not too long ago what it would take to get a computer to sing. I wonder if they just pitched Sr. Zargon's voice for each individual word |
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| 19:59.50 | kryptik | wb, Jayce^ |
| 20:00.54 | Jayce^ | was trying out gaim for irc... xchat is just too cool.. but it's got a bad memory leak.. |
| 20:04.41 | kryptik | memory leak? |
| 20:04.46 | kryptik | How does that work. |
| 20:05.45 | Jayce^ | you notice that thta app starts taking more and more memory.. |
| 20:06.57 | kryptik | Oh, I see. Bogs your system down, cause its using more.. I understand. |
| 20:08.09 | Jayce^ | doesnt' really bogg it down.. it just never frees up the memory.. |
| 20:08.21 | kryptik | Yea. Ok. |
| 20:08.54 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Hmm, I use xchat and haven't noticed any problems. |
| 20:09.50 | Jayce^ | I've noticed it take more and more memory, which of course is released after I close xchat.. happens again next time.. |
| 20:10.21 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 20:10.30 | Bradipo | My xchat is taking up 3MB right now. |
| 20:12.35 | Jayce^ | mines at 7 |
| 20:12.55 | kryptik | Jayce^: could it just be a problem on your system? |
| 20:13.37 | Jayce^ | dunno.. I've had this same type of problem on mdk since 8.1 |
| 20:15.30 | Bradipo | Maybe the leak is in a library (i.e. one of the libraries that xchat is linked against). |
| 20:15.44 | Bradipo | Or maybe it's just Mandrake. ;-) |
| 20:16.07 | kryptik | Heh, what distro are you on, Bradipo? |
| 20:16.23 | Jayce^ | haven't checked my smgl boxen for it.. most are headless.. |
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| 20:28.32 | Bradipo | Well that depends where I'm at. |
| 20:28.52 | Bradipo | My laptop has OpenBSD on it. |
| 20:28.58 | Bradipo | My desktop at home has Slackware |
| 20:29.06 | Bradipo | My desktop here at work has OpenLinux |
| 20:29.35 | Bradipo | I have a dual boot system with OpenLinux and Windows on it. |
| 20:30.06 | Bradipo | My next upgrade will be Debian |
| 20:30.20 | Bradipo | At home that is. |
| 20:31.24 | kryptik | Wow, so you have a lot to choose from.. thats cool. |
| 20:31.57 | brailsmt | i have gentoo on both my laptop and desktop |
| 20:32.14 | Bradipo | gentoo uses ports right? |
| 20:32.22 | brailsmt | gentoo 1.2 on the desktop and 1.4_rc1 on the laptop |
| 20:32.33 | brailsmt | Bradipo: it is based on ports |
| 20:32.44 | brailsmt | it doesn't use ports though |
| 20:32.58 | Bradipo | That's what I meant. :-) |
| 20:33.04 | Bradipo | It uses the ``ports'' system. |
| 20:33.11 | brailsmt | yes it does |
| 20:33.33 | brailsmt | and it also gives an arbitrary number of logically named runlevels... |
| 20:33.58 | brailsmt | so no more remembering what runlevel 0, 1, 2, ... are |
| 20:34.10 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 20:34.30 | brailsmt | just have runlevel desktop, server, kernel_dev, etc... |
| 20:34.41 | Bradipo | I personally think that runlevels really don't offer much. |
| 20:35.10 | brailsmt | i have never used anything other than what it boots up into... |
| 20:35.18 | brailsmt | and maybe failsafe... |
| 20:35.25 | brailsmt | and the shutdown one... |
| 20:35.26 | Bradipo | *BSD doesn't even have runlevels. |
| 20:35.28 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:35.47 | Bradipo | Unless you call single user mode a runlevel (i.e. to fix stuff). |
| 20:36.51 | han_solo | xchat does? |
| 20:37.14 | brailsmt | does what? |
| 20:38.15 | kryptik | memory leak. |
| 20:41.40 | Jayce^ | for me it does.. |
| 20:55.02 | han_solo | maybe my version of xchat has a lag leak |
| 20:55.14 | kryptik | heh |
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| 21:06.20 | brailsmt | irc lags like crazy whenever i try and connect from on campus... so I ssh home and then log on :) |
| 21:07.40 | kryptik | hah, thats funny. |
| 21:08.29 | brailsmt | strange error here ... on printk("%li", mm_segment_t) -> warning: int format, mm_segment_t arg -> typedef unsigned long mm_segment_t |
| 21:08.44 | brailsmt | s/int/long int |
| 21:08.50 | brailsmt | go figure... |
| 21:10.46 | brailsmt | what I cast mm_segment_t to a long, i get this "aggregate value used where and interger was expected"... |
| 22:10.12 | kryptik | QUESTION FOR EVERYONE: If a development team was to make one piece of software for you personally, what would you ask that they make? |
| 22:11.50 | Jayce^ | "The Next Big Thing".. A "Killer App" :) |
| 22:12.13 | Jayce^ | anything I could turn around an sell for a "lot of money" (tm) |
| 22:12.56 | kryptik | Heh |
| 22:12.57 | kryptik | Ok |
| 22:13.08 | levi_ | Mmm, money. |
| 22:16.45 | Jayce^ | levi* you were right about the miata in gt.. that turbo upgrade is awesome.. |
| 22:17.07 | kryptik | Lol, hehehehehe. |
| 22:17.10 | Jayce^ | I started over.. my old storia only got about 20 more hp when I bought the turbo, the miata almost doubles it's HP |
| 22:52.53 | levi_ | Heh. :) |
| 22:53.19 | levi_ | Jayce^: I've since bought a Viper and maxed it out at about 1100 hp for 1300 kg of mass. It's wicked fast. |
| 22:54.17 | levi_ | Despite having the sport brakes, adjustable brake balance controller, full sport suspension, super soft race tires... it's still hard to control. |
| 22:55.27 | levi_ | Jayce^: I've also put a turbo in my /real/ Miata, but I've been having some issues with it so I've haven't felt the full effect yet. |
| 22:56.34 | levi_ | Unfortunately, installing a real turbo is far less easy than selecting an OK button. :) |
| 23:20.04 | Bonez39 | anyone around? |