| 00:21.34 | han_solo | Jayce^: if I wrote the script right, all those wonderful files are on their way up to your box |
| 00:22.07 | Jayce^ | cool... |
| 00:22.20 | Jayce^ | of course it's probably not right, since it's in ruby :) j/k |
| 00:22.30 | kryptik | Anyone here want to give me a little help with socket programming in cpp on windows..? |
| 00:22.54 | kryptik | .mmm ok. |
| 00:22.59 | han_solo | hehe. Actually, I wrote the script in ruby to generate a bash script. So technically speaking, it's in bash. ;-) |
| 00:23.08 | han_solo | just one long scp command |
| 00:23.35 | han_solo | kryptik: not really, it's not fun. But I've done it. there may still be some memories floating around, so ask away! |
| 00:23.36 | Jayce^ | hey, right tool for the job.. |
| 00:24.02 | kryptik | han_solo: Well basically I want to open a port and keep it open untill I say to close it |
| 00:25.10 | kryptik | han_solo: Also, I love ruby :) I can create some wicked shiznit and with very few lines. It's syntax is easy as pie.. well to create guis' at least |
| 00:25.17 | han_solo | Jayce^: the one line in the bash script is 13305 characters long |
| 00:25.17 | han_solo | I wasn't sure if bash would choke on it, but apparently not |
| 00:25.24 | Jayce^ | not bad.. |
| 00:25.39 | kryptik | and? |
| 00:25.41 | Jayce^ | I was very happy to get back to perl.. |
| 00:25.46 | kryptik | Lol |
| 00:26.19 | Jayce^ | personally, I dont' see how people can love it for "increased readability"... sure personal preference is an ok reason.. but not readability.. |
| 00:27.02 | kryptik | Maybe. I cant read vb though, so... |
| 00:27.09 | han_solo | are you saying it's not more readable, or that that's not a really good reason? |
| 00:27.38 | Jayce^ | I don't think it's *more* readable.. |
| 00:27.55 | han_solo | kryptik: you've got me unless you show me some code. I might be able to say something about a code snippet |
| 00:28.01 | kryptik | I dont either.. unless you code with it for a bit |
| 00:29.24 | han_solo | it really doesn't seem like it until you use it for a bit |
| 00:29.30 | kryptik | han_solo: Can you tell me how I might go about opening a port, and keeping it open untill I am finished doing something and then close it. |
| 00:29.46 | han_solo | i can't really compare to perl though, never having acheived hacker status |
| 00:30.12 | han_solo | kryptik: I htink you just open the socket, then do stuff, then close it |
| 00:31.06 | kryptik | Ok, but how do I specify what port.. can that be defined when opening the socket? |
| 00:31.23 | Jayce^ | han_solo: the code I'm looking at is well written, but I dont' find it easier at all (in all fairness) it's just another style.. |
| 00:32.04 | Jayce^ | and while so many people seem to hate them, I love perls use of sigils for all variable types ($@%&) makes it easier IMHO |
| 00:32.26 | kryptik | Jayce^: When I use it, I begin to read through it faster without having to stop and think about what it does |
| 00:35.32 | kryptik | han_solo: I just talked to a guy that said, I may be able to call php into my cpp program. If that is the case, then I will just use php socket connections... much easier, me thinks :) |
| 00:38.43 | kryptik | or gentoo |
| 00:38.48 | kryptik | hehe |
| 00:38.56 | Jayce^ | no, sourcemage if I'm doing a source distro.. |
| 00:39.13 | han_solo | depends. when do you want to use it? ;-) |
| 00:39.27 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. |
| 00:41.57 | Jayce^ | that's part of the decision... I dont' have much experience with debian either, so it'd be good to learn some more.. |
| 00:42.07 | Jayce^ | but I love sourcemage, and would like it around.. |
| 00:42.12 | Jayce^ | on another box.. |
| 01:03.11 | Jayce^ | try sourcemage.. |
| 01:04.08 | kryptik | Ok, why do you like it so much. |
| 01:05.34 | Jayce^ | smaller than gentoo even.. |
| 01:05.36 | Jayce^ | it's all in bash |
| 01:06.01 | Jayce^ | fun group of guys.. |
| 01:07.00 | kryptik | Ok |
| 01:07.30 | kryptik | You know if cpp can be call c? |
| 01:07.34 | kryptik | -be |
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| 02:20.12 | han_solo | sigh. just talking with dave smith. if he can get it to work, he's going to prefix [uug-list] or something to the list. |
| 02:20.37 | han_solo | these youngun's and their webmail-friendly ideas |
| 02:21.44 | kryptik | youngins? han_solo: your not that old, bud. |
| 02:22.17 | han_solo | in university terms I'm getting up there |
| 02:22.46 | kryptik | Ahh, ok. |
| 02:23.00 | kryptik | I guess I am not born yet.. |
| 02:41.21 | kryptik | Man its a tough time in the IT field, eh. |
| 02:41.54 | kryptik | Just talked to a guy who was pushed from IBM and has been unemployed since April 2001 |
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| 18:22.49 | Jayce^ | grr... what's the paramater you pass in at lilo to make a system not do a higher video mode? or to present a list of modes? |
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| 18:26.28 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 18:27.00 | Bradipo | I don't think you can change the video mode at the LILO prompt. |
| 18:27.05 | Bradipo | Only in the lilo.conf |
| 18:27.47 | Bradipo | Actually, I take that back. |
| 18:27.57 | Bradipo | I'm fairly certain I have done just that, but it was with grub. |
| 18:28.06 | Bradipo | However, I assume it can be done with LILO. |
| 18:28.25 | Bradipo | I don't remember how to get a list though. |
| 18:28.36 | Bradipo | 791 is a good one. :-) |
| 18:28.41 | Bradipo | So is 792 if you can support it. |
| 18:28.58 | Mecworks | I think you can change it at the prompt. vga=... |
| 18:29.11 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 18:29.16 | Bradipo | But how do you get a list? |
| 18:29.24 | Mecworks | vga=ask |
| 18:30.08 | Mecworks | you can always dl 'vga=normal' |
| 18:30.08 | Bradipo | That's it. :-) |
| 18:30.57 | Jayce^ | thanks. |
| 18:31.28 | Jayce^ | so now that part works, but shortly after, the screen blanks.. crap, gotta be something else. |
| 18:34.08 | Mecworks | when, after the kernel boots? after LILO, before kernel? |
| 18:35.16 | Jayce^ | during kernel... |
| 18:35.22 | Jayce^ | shortly afterwards.. |
| 18:36.18 | Jayce^ | looks like it continues booting fine, just the screen blanks.. |
| 18:36.25 | Bradipo | Set debug=8 |
| 18:36.41 | Bradipo | lilo: linux vga=791 debug=8 |
| 18:36.49 | Mecworks | are you loading any video related modules? |
| 18:37.33 | Bradipo | Most distros have debugging disabled so you don't see anything coming from the kernel when it boots. |
| 18:37.55 | brailsmt | wht is vga=791? |
| 18:38.00 | Mecworks | you can also run memtest86 or memcheck86 (Ithink its called something like that) to check your memory |
| 18:38.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the video modules, going to try building one w/o them.. |
| 18:38.28 | Bradipo | I think I remember now... |
| 18:38.40 | Bradipo | You can't set vga on the lilo prompt when compiled as modules. |
| 18:39.03 | Mecworks | makes sence |
| 18:39.21 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
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| 18:40.04 | Mecworks | Hi tim |
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| 19:02.28 | brailsmt | anything analogous to vga=791 for grub? |
| 19:10.38 | Mecworks | not sure. |
| 19:11.20 | Mecworks | acutaly, I think vga= is a kernel param so you may be able to enter it into grub somehow. |
| 19:11.55 | TimRiker | ibot: lart anyone who disagrees |
| 19:19.18 | Jayce^ | ibot: lart dumb list headers |
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| 19:56.56 | TimRiker | ~fishslap Mecworks for setting them up that way. |
| 19:56.57 | | ACTION slaps Mecworks up side the head with a wet fish for setting them up that way. |
| 19:58.09 | han_solo | setting what up what way? |
| 20:06.00 | TimRiker | uug lists with a [using up space] in the subject. |
| 20:06.11 | TimRiker | er sllug... ;-) |
| 20:11.05 | Bradipo | I unsubscribed from UUG because of the lame [] |
| 20:15.05 | han_solo | heh. I'm going to take it all the way, just watch me. if we lose the vote I'll give up and use procmail to nuke it |
| 20:15.33 | Bradipo | Well, unfortunately I won't see it since I'm not on the list. :-) |
| 20:16.33 | Bradipo | Although, I think the transition between lists was handled slightly better than PLUG was. |
| 20:16.42 | Bradipo | At least there was an announcement before it happened. |
| 20:19.10 | han_solo | Bradipo: I'll be sure to solicit your vote explicitly, then |
| 20:19.10 | han_solo | it could be worse, it could be yahoo-groups |
| 20:20.05 | Bradipo | I don't think I've ever used yahoo-groups. |
| 20:20.17 | Bradipo | But you can solicit my vote. |
| 20:21.46 | TimRiker | did I mention that the xmission knoppix mirror is up? http://mirror.xmission.com/knoppix/ |
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| 20:22.11 | Jayce^ | TimRiker: yes you did.. but it's always nice to see it again.. |
| 20:22.11 | Bradipo | You did. |
| 20:22.24 | Jayce^ | I emailed that guy about the cpan error, havent' heard anything back.. |
| 20:23.32 | TimRiker | k |
| 20:24.42 | Mecworks | TimRiker: You mentioned it yesterday (just to add my voice) |
| 20:25.20 | Bradipo | Mecworks: You just like to hear the sound of your own voice. :-) |
| 20:26.14 | Mecworks | echo |
| 20:26.32 | TimRiker | heh. ok, then I'll repeat this one: http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag |
| 20:27.05 | Bradipo | Wow, that's awesome stuff. |
| 20:27.14 | Bradipo | It took over my computer. |
| 20:27.15 | TimRiker | and this one: http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/utah.html.gz |
| 20:28.21 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 20:28.28 | Jayce^ | .gz? |
| 20:28.32 | TimRiker | http://www.homestarrunner.com/systemisdown.html <- too boot. |
| 20:28.51 | Mecworks | what was the http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag supposed to do? |
| 20:29.03 | han_solo | wow, popup-enable brain devourer |
| 20:29.05 | TimRiker | Jayce^: I have all ibot's logs compresses. should be transparent to your browser. |
| 20:29.16 | TimRiker | Mecworks: eat your brain. ;-) |
| 20:29.25 | Mecworks | I use mozilla with popups turned off. |
| 20:29.48 | TimRiker | I don't have the source, but I presume he keeps a database of IPs that have been eaten. might be a cookie though, I never looked. |
| 20:30.57 | Jayce^ | han_solo get's chastised on UUG :) |
| 20:31.06 | han_solo | heh: "Nobody smiles in #Utah! Cheer up guys and girls. Nobody is sad in #Utah! What a happy channel. :-)" |
| 20:31.46 | kryptik | :) |
| 20:33.06 | han_solo | ok, bradipo. here's the message I think Jayce^ is referring to. I need your expert opinion on what I should do (first reaction is to just not bother because I've tried it so many ways already) |
| 20:33.13 | han_solo | Mailman checks the "sender" field in the header of the mail to see if you |
| 20:33.13 | han_solo | are a list subscriber (we only allow posts from list subscribers). Some |
| 20:33.13 | han_solo | of you have your "reply-to" set as your subscribed email but your "sender" |
| 20:33.13 | han_solo | set to your host user name (ie, Hans has "reply-to: hans@fugal.net" but |
| 20:33.13 | han_solo | "sender: hans@falcon.rn.byu.edu". Mailman has been asking me to confirm |
| 20:33.13 | han_solo | his posts. Please set your sender field appropriately. |
| 20:33.34 | Jayce^ | yup.. that's what I was talking about.. |
| 20:33.57 | Bradipo | Let me read all this. |
| 20:34.07 | Jayce^ | Jayce^ spoke a total of 485 words! |
| 20:34.10 | Jayce^ | Jayce^'s faithful follower, Bradipo_, didn't speak so much: 319 words. |
| 20:34.51 | han_solo | here's my email setup: i use localhost as smtp, which then goes through byu'e email server. The only way to get that working happy is if my hostname (falcon.rn.byu.edu) resolves for them |
| 20:35.32 | Mecworks | you can set up envelope masquarating |
| 20:35.52 | Mecworks | so that your email goes out as any address you want it to. |
| 20:36.08 | Bradipo | Yes, masquerading is what you want (that is unless you can set it properly in your client). |
| 20:36.10 | Mecworks | masqurading |
| 20:36.36 | han_solo | how so? |
| 20:36.39 | han_solo | in exim? |
| 20:36.47 | Mecworks | yes. |
| 20:37.06 | Bradipo | Basically it rewrites your headers. |
| 20:37.17 | Mecworks | I don't know how to do it in exim. Only in sendmail. It's got to be easier in exim though. |
| 20:37.48 | Mecworks | anything's better than using m4 macros to reconfig your mail daemon. |
| 20:38.38 | Mecworks | however, m4 macros is better than hand editing a sendmail.cf file any day. |
| 20:38.39 | han_solo | my client is mutt, btw - it doesn't do smtp at all, just uses exim |
| 20:38.58 | Bradipo | It probably uses a local injection like /usr/sbin/sendmail or something. |
| 20:39.13 | Mecworks | mutt should be able to rewrite sender's address. However, I don't use mutt. TimRiker??? |
| 20:39.14 | han_solo | yeah |
| 20:39.38 | Bradipo | You can set the From header which should also end up being the envelope sender address. |
| 20:39.53 | Bradipo | my_hdr From: |
| 20:39.57 | Bradipo | In ~/.muttrc |
| 20:40.04 | han_solo | I do set the From header (which is why my "reply-to" is set that way - it has nothing to do with reply-to I don't think) |
| 20:41.07 | Bradipo | No. |
| 20:41.19 | Mecworks | yes, reply-to and from are two different headders |
| 20:41.22 | Bradipo | Reply-to has nothing to do with it (unless you want replies to go to a different location) |
| 20:41.30 | Bradipo | Hopefully they don't strip that location. |
| 20:41.53 | han_solo | i think mailman doesn't by default |
| 20:41.55 | Bradipo | Jayce^: What's all that about speaking words? |
| 20:43.00 | Bradipo | Check this out: |
| 20:43.07 | Bradipo | Oops, wrong windo. |
| 20:45.22 | han_solo | heh: brailsmt_ has quite a potty mouth. 0.6% words were foul language. |
| 20:46.43 | han_solo | brailsmt also makes sailors blush, 0.4% of the time. |
| 20:48.47 | Jayce^ | Bradipo: it's on the ibot report |
| 20:59.09 | han_solo | adding "fugalh: hans@fugal.net" to /etc/email-addresses did the trick |
| 20:59.30 | han_solo | annoying - I knew there was a file with that capability but couldn't find it anywhere, until I did ls /etc | less |
| 21:15.59 | TimRiker | sorry, Mozilla here. |
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| 21:37.47 | bbeattie | Mecworks: Marc? |
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| 21:43.17 | bbeattie | I changed the mail archive links so they don't link, But, search engines have already gotten to the mail list probably, or will soon via round about ways through links. |
| 21:43.32 | bbeattie | missline |
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| 22:42.59 | kryptik | Anyone here use PHPBB |
| 23:03.36 | Mecworks | Is there a way to know what release a debian box is? 3.0... |
| 23:03.51 | Mecworks | foget it, /etc/issue.... |
| 23:04.22 | kryptik | Isnt there a standard command that lets you view that? |
| 23:17.01 | han_solo | yeah, cat /etc/issue |
| 23:17.18 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 23:28.09 | Mecworks | are there deb packages for mailman 2.1 yet? |
| 23:28.13 | Mecworks | anyone know? |
| 23:36.40 | levi_ | I'll bet debian.org could tell you. Or do you mean unofficial ones? |
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| 23:41.39 | han_solo | packages.debian.org |
| 23:41.39 | han_solo | testing has 2.0.13-2 |
| 23:46.43 | Mecworks | yea. bumer. |
| 23:47.08 | kryptik | man.. I wanted to emulate the xbox and ps2 |
| 23:57.31 | levi_ | ? |