| 00:21.12 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo, guess what I just got.. |
| 00:22.50 | han_solo | books? : |
| 00:23.05 | Jayce^ | a rip of the new erasure cd, that comes out on the 28th |
| 00:23.56 | Jayce^ | pong |
| 00:25.29 | han_solo | cool |
| 00:25.48 | han_solo | 46.83 seconds |
| 00:26.02 | Jayce^ | it's all remakes.. titled "Other people's music".. |
| 00:26.51 | han_solo | oooh |
| 00:26.58 | han_solo | track list? |
| 00:29.43 | Jayce^ | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007FGIX/ref=ase_erasure/104-4082332-2252710 |
| 00:34.09 | han_solo | what's their discography after "Erasure"? |
| 00:34.27 | han_solo | cowboy and loveboat? any others? |
| 00:34.47 | han_solo | that looks way cool. I wouldn't mind, uh, previewing it. and thanks for the afro-celt btw |
| 00:34.57 | han_solo | I like it |
| 00:35.57 | Jayce^ | I have cowboy, getting loveboat.. maverick sunk loveboat in the US, hard to get.. and expensive.. |
| 00:36.19 | han_solo | maverick? |
| 00:36.19 | Jayce^ | I'll put them on... so you liked afro-celt too.. good stuff. |
| 00:36.35 | Jayce^ | madonna's record company, they own the us publication rights to erasure.. |
| 00:37.03 | han_solo | we have cowboy too, on tape |
| 00:37.07 | Jayce^ | then they dont' do anything with it, because it doesn't fit the style they are trying to promote (alanis, madonna..) |
| 00:37.13 | Jayce^ | cd and ogg here :) |
| 00:37.49 | han_solo | what happened to reprise and electra? ahh the good ol' days |
| 00:38.29 | Jayce^ | mute :) |
| 00:38.59 | Jayce^ | I was reading a bit on that on their site.. what was fun was to read Gareth Jones' description of the recording process for this album.. |
| 00:39.02 | han_solo | am I the only one with nearly constant lag issues on irc lately? |
| 00:39.34 | Jayce^ | andy bell on a g4, with some software he likes, gareth with a mac and his preferred software, and vince with all analog, as usual.. |
| 00:40.50 | han_solo | where on their site? |
| 00:41.11 | han_solo | :) good ol' analog vince. |
| 00:41.19 | han_solo | I wish I had kept that issue of keyboard where they interviewed him |
| 00:42.50 | Jayce^ | erasure.(com|org) are two different ones, can't remember gareth's that had that interview/discussion.. |
| 00:43.28 | Jayce^ | duh: http://www.garethjones.com/ |
| 00:43.45 | Jayce^ | heh, he's selling some of his equipment on ebay :) |
| 00:44.00 | Jayce^ | http://www.garethjones.com/erasure_stuff/synths/index.htm WOW |
| 01:04.39 | han_solo | heh |
| 01:10.00 | han_solo | i think I feel an analogy coming on. Vince's affinity for analog, and the beauty of plain text in emails |
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| 01:18.28 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 01:48.03 | Jayce^ | man, everybody is so touchy on UUG |
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| 02:53.38 | Bradipo | Just a lot of opinions on UUG, that's all. |
| 02:54.05 | Bradipo | Maybe we should recommend they come discuss the opinions here. |
| 02:54.15 | Bradipo | That way they get over with much more quickly and don't drag on. :-) |
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| 04:28.34 | Mecworks | Is there an easy way to manage services in runlevels in Debian ie. rehat's chkconfig? |
| 05:09.38 | Bradipo_ | Not sure. |
| 05:09.43 | Bradipo_ | There probably is. |
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| 05:14.50 | Bradipo_ | Mecworks: What about rcconf or update-rc.d ? |
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| 05:29.40 | brailsmt | why can't the code that the ta's give us, work? |
| 05:29.55 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, haven't seen it, so I can't say for certain. |
| 05:30.05 | Bradipo_ | And which TAs are you talking about? :-) |
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| 05:30.43 | brailsmt | cs460 |
| 05:31.01 | Bradipo_ | What kind of code is it? |
| 05:31.04 | brailsmt | first off the code has all class names in lower case |
| 05:31.15 | Bradipo_ | heh. |
| 05:31.21 | Bradipo_ | C++ or Java? |
| 05:31.30 | brailsmt | second the c++ files all include <stdio.h>, etc, so make won't work |
| 05:31.40 | Bradipo_ | You mean instead of <stdio> ? |
| 05:32.09 | brailsmt | third the #includes are spread all over kingdom come, instead of a nice central file |
| 05:32.10 | Bradipo_ | Not sure why they wouldn't compile with <stdio.h> in them. |
| 05:32.15 | brailsmt | instead of <cstdio> |
| 05:32.19 | brailsmt | but yeah |
| 05:32.21 | Bradipo_ | Right. |
| 05:32.46 | Bradipo_ | I wonder who wrote the code... |
| 05:32.56 | brailsmt | <cstdio.h> has a #warning if it is compiled into a c++ app... |
| 05:33.04 | bbeattie | Are either of you running debian unstable? |
| 05:33.17 | Bradipo_ | I'm not currently. |
| 05:33.24 | Bradipo_ | I have access to an unstable system though. |
| 05:34.16 | brailsmt | i also submitted a new Makefile to them that is about 10 lines long, where the old one was 40 lines |
| 05:34.31 | bbeattie | after an update today, gnome2 hangs on startup. #debian is unresponsive for asking if anyone else has had problems too. |
| 05:34.45 | Bradipo_ | Did you use all of those cryptic symbols? :-) |
| 05:34.59 | kryptik | Jayce^: any luck at Utilitix? |
| 05:35.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, they had a 2x drive.. |
| 05:35.22 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: in the makefile? not in the version I sent them, in my version I do :) |
| 05:35.39 | Bradipo_ | bbeattie: Did you try logging into failsafe and then starting gnome from there? |
| 05:35.43 | Bradipo_ | See if it prints any errors. |
| 05:35.44 | Jayce^ | I got it, despite the fact that it was $90, $10 more than they quoted me yesterday!! |
| 05:36.12 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: Yeah, in the Makefile. |
| 05:36.17 | bbeattie | bradipo_ actualyl no, I'll try that. |
| 05:36.34 | Bradipo_ | You might be missing a package or something. |
| 05:36.39 | Bradipo_ | I normally run KDE though. |
| 05:36.41 | Jayce^ | was rather ticked at them.. almost didnt' get it.. |
| 05:36.46 | kryptik | Jayce^: are you familiar with black mail.. lol |
| 05:36.54 | Bradipo_ | Well, I run WindowMaker, but if I didn't I would run KDE. |
| 05:36.58 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: yeah, I specified .SUFFIXES rules which are always full of wierd little symbols... |
| 05:37.16 | kryptik | Jayce^: Sorry bro, I thought they would have a deal for you |
| 05:37.16 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: That's what I was referring to. |
| 05:37.27 | Jayce^ | kryptik: I looked at racks too, I dont' know how you got the $60 deal, they didn't have any cheap ones |
| 05:37.40 | kryptik | What size |
| 05:37.44 | Bradipo_ | We setup debian on a cobalt qube today. |
| 05:37.55 | Jayce^ | well, cheapest was 120, they had a nicer half rack for 380.. |
| 05:37.59 | Bradipo_ | Got tired of it having problems. |
| 05:38.29 | bbeattie | Bradipo: hmm, appears I don't have failsafe, I started a second X sessions and # failsafe = no command or file.... |
| 05:38.31 | Jayce^ | nice... I'm thinking of throwing debian on my little sparc here.. and old sparc station 2 (75 mhz dog) |
| 05:38.41 | kryptik | hmm. |
| 05:39.03 | Bradipo_ | bbeattie: This would be an option in the login manager (i.e. xdm, kdm, etc...) |
| 05:39.07 | Bradipo_ | Not on the command line. |
| 05:39.21 | Bradipo_ | Failsafe normally starts automatically if your normal desktop doesn't load. |
| 05:39.23 | Jayce^ | kryptik: what kind of rack did you get? size? fancy stuff? |
| 05:39.26 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: then yes :) i took out the .SUFFIXES in the version I sent since they are not really needed in this application... |
| 05:39.29 | Bradipo_ | Is your login manager not even working? |
| 05:40.07 | kryptik | Jayce^: Nothing to fancy. HP and standard size... 60U I think... |
| 05:40.11 | brailsmt | xdm will not give you an option of failsafe |
| 05:40.13 | Bradipo_ | Does anyone know of devices like these that I can get? http://210.227.154.216/~poweb/products/pathnav.htm |
| 05:40.19 | kryptik | Jayce^: or is that how they measure them? |
| 05:40.21 | Bradipo_ | brailsmt: No, it won't. |
| 05:40.26 | Jayce^ | kryptik: power strip or anything? |
| 05:40.27 | Jayce^ | door? |
| 05:40.29 | brailsmt | use control-f1 i think to get a text login prompt |
| 05:40.32 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 05:40.33 | Bradipo_ | I used it as an example of a login manager. |
| 05:40.35 | kryptik | Jayce^: Yea, both. |
| 05:40.53 | Jayce^ | kryptik: man, you lucked out, I would love one of those.. clean up a bunch of my mess.. |
| 05:40.54 | kryptik | Jayce^: And the standard fans... |
| 05:41.02 | kryptik | Sorry man. |
| 05:41.03 | bbeattie | Bradipo: right. I did an strage on starting a gnome-sessions, it hangs on a poll( , and it's after doing some pongo and font stuff. On this last update, I did read something that it said it was setting up some new font stuff. Maybe something has to be changed with new font stuff? |
| 05:41.21 | kryptik | Havn't been there in a while, maybe something has changed.. |
| 05:41.32 | Bradipo_ | bbeattie: Could be. |
| 05:41.35 | Bradipo_ | Does X even start? |
| 05:41.41 | bbeattie | X starts, yes |
| 05:41.48 | brailsmt | anyone know the c++ equivalent to <unistd.h>? |
| 05:41.55 | Bradipo_ | What runs on top of X? |
| 05:41.59 | Bradipo_ | Currently... |
| 05:42.01 | bbeattie | I'm running kde on :0 and an X with just an xterm and no window manager/desktop on :1 |
| 05:42.21 | kryptik | brailsmt: They were just talking about an alt for that, two days ago in #c++ |
| 05:42.22 | Bradipo_ | So, on :1 in the xterm, what happens if you try to start up gnome. |
| 05:42.31 | kryptik | brailsmt: May be of interest. |
| 05:42.53 | Bradipo_ | With KDE, there is a startkde program. |
| 05:42.54 | bbeattie | it hangs as soon as it brings up the gnome logo, no icons that pop up as it loads things, but I do get the gnome "startup" sound. |
| 05:42.59 | Bradipo_ | I assume with gnome there is something similar. |
| 05:43.16 | bbeattie | an strace on gnome-sessions shows it hangs on a poll( |
| 05:43.16 | Bradipo_ | There aren't any error messages or anything like that? |
| 05:43.26 | Bradipo_ | Right, so it's just waiting for an event to happen. |
| 05:44.17 | Bradipo_ | Maybe when you update with tomorrows changes it will be fixed. :-) |
| 05:44.28 | kryptik | brailsmt: Oops. No c++ alternitive... my bad. |
| 05:44.50 | brailsmt | np |
| 05:45.06 | Bradipo_ | Any ideas about a device like that? |
| 05:45.18 | Jayce^ | bbeattie: you having problem's opening two x sessions? (came in partway into your discussion) |
| 05:45.18 | bbeattie | no error messages, no |
| 05:45.44 | Bradipo_ | It's really just a small Intel motherboard with some onboard NICs. |
| 05:45.46 | bbeattie | Jayce^: no, having problems getting gnome2 running after an apt-get dist-upgrade on debian unstable |
| 05:45.52 | Bradipo_ | Pretty nicely packaged though. |
| 05:46.20 | bbeattie | This happened once before when libbonobo stuff messed up on packaging. I think it happened again, but I can't get anyone to respon on #debian |
| 05:46.27 | Jayce^ | ahh.. just the little bit I had read sounded like trouble I've been having with the latest nvidia driver.. won't let me run a second x server.. |
| 05:47.32 | bbeattie | jayce^ I'm running nvidia, but it's about a month old driver |
| 05:47.50 | brailsmt | these source files are driving me crazy!! there are few things as esthetically pleasing as inconsistant spacing in a source file... |
| 05:47.59 | brailsmt | void foo(); |
| 05:48.04 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.13 | brailsmt | voif baz(); |
| 05:48.15 | Jayce^ | ~month old is the latest... since the day I put that one in, I can't run anything besides my :0 x ... |
| 05:48.16 | | okay, Jayce^ |
| 05:48.17 | brailsmt | arghh!!! |
| 05:48.38 | Jayce^ | d'oh, ibot you should have ignored that.. I forgot you read the ~ |
| 05:49.12 | Jayce^ | brailsmt: (language)tidy available for whatever language it's in? |
| 05:49.20 | brailsmt | it is c++ |
| 05:49.53 | Jayce^ | isn't there a c++ tidy/pretty print? |
| 05:50.38 | brailsmt | i use astyle as my pretty printer, but it doesn't fix spacing like that... well, it will fix leading spaces, not spaces between tokens... |
| 06:00.08 | Bradipo_ | Later. |
| 06:01.06 | levi | Man, I have stuffed myself. |
| 06:02.07 | kryptik | levi: food? |
| 06:31.12 | brailsmt | makefiles written by ppl that don't understand them are annoying... |
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| 06:42.48 | brailsmt_ | protocol.o: protocol.cpp protocol.h message.h |
| 06:42.59 | brailsmt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.07 | brailsmt_ | that stuff bugs me... |
| 06:43.29 | brailsmt_ | why does a .o file care about its dependencies? it doesn't care until it is linked... |
| 06:44.23 | brailsmt_ | and why C_FLAGS when it should CFLAGS, and it reall should be CPPFLAGS or CXXFLAGS for c++... |
| 06:44.44 | brailsmt_ | anyway... |
| 06:45.06 | brailsmt_ | i have spent the last two hours getting this code to compile... |
| 06:45.33 | brailsmt_ | now i have to spend another few hours to find out what it does with my code before I can start working the assignment... |
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| 08:13.22 | brailsmt_ | can't make up your mind? |
| 08:13.24 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 08:14.14 | kryptik | me? |
| 08:14.24 | brailsmt_ | yeah |
| 08:14.44 | kryptik | Heh, yea. I was testing colors with IRC and it did not load right. |
| 08:15.34 | kryptik | I love this editor; why do so many hate it? |
| 08:17.25 | brailsmt_ | because vim blows its socks off :) |
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| 08:19.03 | kryptik | Yea, but vim is for win. |
| 08:19.10 | kryptik | I mean SciTE |
| 08:19.17 | brailsmt_ | WHAT!?! |
| 08:19.25 | kryptik | s/SciTE/vim |
| 08:19.33 | brailsmt_ | vim has a win32 version |
| 08:19.37 | kryptik | No |
| 08:19.39 | kryptik | NO |
| 08:19.39 | kryptik | NO |
| 08:19.49 | kryptik | I wish it did. |
| 08:19.53 | brailsmt_ | yes it does |
| 08:20.00 | kryptik | It does. |
| 08:20.01 | kryptik | ? |
| 08:20.03 | brailsmt_ | vim.sf.net |
| 08:20.11 | brailsmt_ | vim.sf.net has the binaries |
| 08:20.24 | kryptik | Wow, where have I been. |
| 08:21.11 | brailsmt_ | mars? |
| 08:21.12 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 08:21.40 | brailsmt_ | though i have heard some good things about SciTE, I just don't see how it can be as good and well rounded as vim |
| 08:23.56 | kryptik | Well it has syntax highlighting for 30+ languages, and it allows you to hide functions.. thus allowing you to only work on one thing at a time without the confusion |
| 08:24.45 | kryptik | Question: Do you code in cpp? |
| 08:26.27 | brailsmt_ | yes, most of my coding is cpp |
| 08:26.54 | brailsmt_ | vim has folding to hide functions |
| 08:27.02 | kryptik | Oh, ok. |
| 08:27.05 | brailsmt_ | and syntax highlighting for lots more than 30 languages |
| 08:27.07 | kryptik | Well I am not that good with it. |
| 08:27.18 | brailsmt_ | ok, well, use whatever works for you |
| 08:27.26 | kryptik | I will use vim |
| 08:27.46 | kryptik | Do you know if a intiger overflow can bring a system to a halt? |
| 08:27.57 | kryptik | I dont think it can; but someone told me it could |
| 08:28.13 | brailsmt_ | uhmm... if it overflowed in all the wrong the places :) |
| 08:29.10 | kryptik | Oh.. |
| 08:29.13 | kryptik | Hmm |
| 08:29.22 | kryptik | Gives me something to play around with |
| 08:29.33 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/midnight2.png <-- shows my folding scheme, colorscheme, a c++ script for vim |
| 08:30.35 | kryptik | Wow... that looks way nicer than SciTE |
| 08:30.37 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/midnight.png <-- constrasts the colorschemes and this one does not use my c++ script for vim |
| 08:31.44 | kryptik | SciTE does not tell you how many lines are being folded. |
| 08:31.50 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/tomatosoup.png <-- just for fun :) |
| 08:32.32 | kryptik | ...my eyes... |
| 08:32.41 | kryptik | 0_0 |
| 08:33.04 | brailsmt_ | all those colorschemes are on vim.sf.net |
| 08:33.16 | kryptik | Yea, I saw. |
| 08:33.44 | brailsmt_ | as well as that script to highlight your class names (but it requires ruby) |
| 08:33.54 | kryptik | I have ruby |
| 08:34.00 | brailsmt_ | anyway, I gotta get back to this code... |
| 08:34.05 | kryptik | Me too |
| 08:34.10 | brailsmt_ | that last screenshot was a shot of ruby |
| 08:34.12 | kryptik | Thanks for the help |
| 08:34.14 | brailsmt_ | np |
| 08:35.19 | brailsmt_ | 12.254.226.160/img/recipe_mgr.png <-- that is what it produces |
| 08:35.36 | brailsmt_ | anyway... :) |
| 08:36.51 | kryptik | And you did that? |
| 08:37.28 | kryptik | The guy I am living with would love that.. He has one he wrote in Java though. |
| 08:39.05 | brailsmt_ | that is only the very most outer shell of an application that doesn't exist yet :) |
| 08:39.19 | brailsmt_ | it will one day though :) |
| 08:41.10 | kryptik | :) Sweet |
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| 14:09.57 | kryptik | Up already? |
| 14:11.01 | han_solo | an hour and a half already |
| 14:11.14 | kryptik | Wow, why so early |
| 14:11.39 | han_solo | that's when the day starts. ;-) |
| 14:11.45 | han_solo | my wife leaves for work at 6:15 |
| 14:11.57 | kryptik | Ahh ok |
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| 19:16.58 | TimRiker | woohoo! http://mirrors.xmission.com/knoppix/ |
| 19:21.10 | Jayce^ | now if they'd update their cpan.. |
| 19:40.47 | TimRiker | rsync busted or something? ping: Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> and ask him what's up. |
| 20:51.20 | Bradipo | Anyone know where I can get small devices like http://www.soekris.com/ but with a little more horsepower? |
| 20:52.29 | Bradipo | And maybe a hard drive (laptop size). |
| 20:54.00 | levi_ | There are tons of companies that make little single board computers. |
| 20:58.03 | levi_ | Have you looked at linuxdevices.com? Check out: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2614444132.html |
| 20:59.34 | TimRiker | http://www.oqo.com/ <- like this? oh... you said "get" ... ;-) |
| 21:02.00 | levi_ | Yow, flash |
| 21:16.20 | Bradipo | I haven't looked at linuxdevices.com |
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| 21:32.33 | Bonez39 | anyone here? |
| 21:34.28 | Jayce^ | nope... none at all :) |
| 21:38.02 | Bonez39 | funny... |
| 21:38.17 | Bonez39 | I access a drive on another machine on my network from my linux box... |
| 21:38.51 | Bonez39 | the permission is listed as (0) for this share...how do I change /etc/fstab and then get that change to register so that I can then go and mount that drive, and be able to write to it? |
| 21:38.56 | Jayce^ | just to copy a file, or something you want to always have as if it's a local drive? |
| 21:39.19 | Jayce^ | so you want user mounts? instead of just root? |
| 21:39.30 | Bonez39 | yeah, I want to write files to that partition on a remote system |
| 21:39.38 | Jayce^ | you using samba or NFS? |
| 21:39.47 | Bonez39 | with samba.. |
| 21:40.04 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. I haven't used samba in a few years.. I'm not really the one to ask there... |
| 21:40.17 | Bonez39 | the drive is access now with the following //seth/e smbfs /mnt/sethe with a (0) showing for permissions |
| 21:40.19 | Bonez39 | ok.. |
| 21:41.17 | Jayce^ | although I really should get it going again, got a lan with my neighbor, and want to share some stuff.. guess I should read up again.. |
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