| 00:01.59 | levi | Sure, blame it on the open source software. |
| 00:02.08 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 00:02.24 | Bradipo | Of course, since they don't understand anything about RFCs, it must be the other guy. |
| 00:05.12 | taran | you didn't tell him you were running a microsoft server? ;-) |
| 00:05.16 | taran | I have outlook express if you can convince me to reboot. give it your best shot |
| 00:05.41 | Bradipo | Doesn't happen with Outlook Express. |
| 00:06.07 | Bradipo | Oddly enough, I have found that Outlook Express is a much better email client than Outlook, and Outlook is the one you pay big bucks for. |
| 00:06.51 | Bradipo | I didn't tell him anything, but he must have looked at the headers (thought he would be smart). |
| 00:16.50 | taran | fwiw, enscript is very good at printing RFCs |
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| 00:23.32 | kryptik | hehe > [cache@silent][ttyv1] ~> sysctl -a | grep show |
| 00:23.33 | kryptik | > kern.ps_showallprocs: 0 |
| 00:23.33 | kryptik | > [cache@silent][ttyv1] ~> ps -auxwwwp 101 |
| 00:23.33 | kryptik | > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND |
| 00:23.33 | kryptik | > root 101 0,0 0,2 1020 740 ?? Is 0:12 0:00,01 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 00:23.33 | kryptik | I've been aware of this problem for a long time, and in fact I made a patch |
| 00:23.35 | kryptik | against 4.6-STABLE which can be applied to correct it. I am not sure how |
| 00:23.59 | kryptik | portable it will be to 4.7-STABLE, but I imagine it would work. |
| 00:25.27 | Bradipo | taran: I usually just select Print to File in netscape. |
| 00:25.47 | Bradipo | That generates a netscape.ps file which I then run through psnup -9 to print 9 pages to a page. |
| 00:25.57 | Bradipo | The print is small, but readable. |
| 00:26.19 | Bradipo | Otherwise, enscript is very nice. |
| 00:27.14 | kryptik | BTW that was a FreeBSD Information Leak |
| 00:27.20 | kryptik | Five lines up |
| 00:30.14 | taran | Bradipo: but is it paginated? |
| 00:31.04 | taran | enscript -2 -E -U 4 rfc2060.txt will give you the rfc, paginated as it was on a good ol' line printer, 8 pages per page |
| 00:31.20 | taran | and pretty printed. with MUST and SHOULD and so forth highlighted |
| 00:33.05 | taran | personally, I prefer four pages nupping. 9 seems small |
| 00:33.26 | Bradipo | Nice. |
| 00:33.30 | Bradipo | Maybe I'll try that next time. |
| 00:35.28 | taran | i.e. http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/rfc2060.ps |
| 00:39.19 | brailsmt_ | haha... pure linux, we're using user mode linux and we're gonna write a *real* scheduler, and a *real* <insert lab here> :) |
| 00:39.40 | kryptik | anyone selling a notebook |
| 00:40.35 | taran | that class could have been a lot of fun, instead it was torture |
| 00:40.35 | taran | and my computer music class |
| 00:40.35 | taran | alias enscript='enscript -2 -E -j -r -p -' <--- my enscript alias. enscript is the bomb |
| 00:42.08 | taran | grr. Maybe I'll retake it. I did get only a B or B- in the class |
| 00:44.14 | taran | who's teaching the linux section? |
| 00:44.14 | taran | maybe I'll just save the lab specs and do them on my own time. (read, summer) |
| 00:46.10 | Bonez39 | is there a channel here, devoted to SLUG issues, or does this serve both SLUG and PLUG? |
| 00:46.38 | Bonez39 | another question: where would I post an offer for chiropractic treatment, in exchange for someone to help me with my linux configuration? |
| 00:48.40 | Bonez39 | anyone? |
| 00:48.51 | Bonez39 | no need to fall silent now that I have typed.. |
| 00:51.25 | taran | Bonez39: right here. :) my wife would love a chiro treatment |
| 00:52.54 | kryptik | lots of ppl comment == not reality |
| 00:56.55 | fozz | Man! A lot of traffic in #utah while I've been driving home. |
| 01:01.01 | Bonez39 | well, I am her Chiro man then..;) |
| 01:01.37 | Bonez39 | I am looking to expand my business, but don't want to be 'advertising' in here...since that's such a faux pas.. |
| 01:01.56 | Bonez39 | but I understand how the back feels and responds when sitting at PC hours on end.....and the solutions to getting the kinks out. |
| 01:03.51 | taran | imho it's just fine to offer to exchange services - esp. when your service isn't a common one :) |
| 01:04.02 | Bonez39 | cool.... |
| 01:22.43 | brailsmt_ | i saw an ergonomic chair once where the guy was like kneeling in the chair, it didn't have a back, it was kinda cool... I remember seeing it when I was like 8-9 years old... he was a programmer (we weren't common in the early 80's) :) |
| 01:30.56 | taran | brailsmt_: I've used one of those things before. Real nice at first |
| 01:31.12 | taran | but after awhile it was tiring |
| 01:45.45 | brailsmt_ | taran: all sections of 345 are taught with linux |
| 01:45.51 | brailsmt_ | i have Dr. Snell |
| 01:46.14 | taran | oooh. a smart move. what will be next? |
| 02:51.14 | brailsmt_ | are there any classes that still require you to use windows in the BYU CS dept? |
| 02:54.25 | brailsmt_ | taran: have you looked at the 460 lab that is due Friday? did Dr. Clement give us a password in class? |
| 02:57.13 | taran | brailsmt_: require is a strong word, if you have a will :) |
| 02:57.39 | taran | i heard a rumor last semester that they're trying to get the labs all linux |
| 02:58.01 | brailsmt_ | i wish they would... |
| 02:58.40 | brailsmt_ | the whole basement of the talmage are going to be computer labs |
| 02:58.50 | brailsmt_ | they plan on bringing them up online this semester |
| 02:58.58 | taran | so there may be a push on profs to switch things over. I didn't know whether to believe it, but with 345 gone linux (which I thought was about as likely as mozilla releasing 1.0)... |
| 02:58.58 | taran | but unless the labs are all linux, there will always be lazy profs/TAs |
| 02:59.03 | taran | i.e. 431 - they have some framework code, so we can focus on the important stuff |
| 02:59.23 | taran | and what did they do it in? c++. but not just any c++ - visual studio |
| 02:59.42 | brailsmt_ | and I bet that they used MS apis too |
| 02:59.48 | taran | luckily someone ported it to linux last semester, and I can use it. but no support from the TA of course (like I need it) |
| 03:00.16 | brailsmt_ | can't you do 431 in whatever language you want? |
| 03:00.32 | brailsmt_ | i thought that you could... maybe I have it mixed up with another class... |
| 03:01.05 | Jayce^ | want to know what's really gross? take the top off your keyboard sometime :) |
| 03:01.17 | brailsmt_ | I can almost do lab 1 for 460 without the computer... :) |
| 03:01.28 | taran | 470 last semester, the TA was comfortable in his ignorance and we really had to be persistent to get fair treatment using ruby |
| 03:01.56 | taran | hehe me too |
| 03:01.58 | brailsmt_ | "1. read the man page for ifconfig" |
| 03:02.08 | brailsmt_ | uhh... ok... |
| 03:02.22 | taran | 431 - no, well yes. You can do it in another language if you want (at least Cornell will let you) but then you don't have the framework stuff. |
| 03:02.33 | taran | heh. done that more than once |
| 03:02.44 | taran | some of those others I haven't read the man page for though |
| 03:03.40 | brailsmt_ | "read the man page for ping" - Why, is there some hidden functionality for 'ping' other than pinging? :)) |
| 03:04.17 | brailsmt_ | "read the man page for true" |
| 03:04.21 | brailsmt_ | "read the man page for false" |
| 03:04.55 | taran | did you look at that rfc yet? |
| 03:05.00 | brailsmt_ | no |
| 03:05.03 | taran | funny |
| 03:05.23 | taran | it's the stockings hung by the chimney with care one |
| 03:05.24 | brailsmt_ | i am just looking over and realizing that I don't have the password to create an account for myself... |
| 03:05.31 | taran | about security |
| 03:05.45 | taran | yeah, I noticed that too |
| 03:05.45 | taran | even stopped in the lab |
| 03:05.52 | taran | the TA there pulled up last year's email |
| 03:06.04 | taran | and said to try that, but I tried and it didn't work |
| 03:06.25 | taran | someone posted to the newsgroup and a new ta that just got hired today said he should mail it out (based on last semester's experience) |
| 03:08.24 | taran | but I don't think you _really_ have to do any of it on the lab computers - could do from the comfort of your own box |
| 03:08.31 | taran | so I'm toying with the idea of doing an IMAP server for the project in 460 |
| 03:08.40 | taran | what'ya think? |
| 03:08.46 | brailsmt_ | i plan on doing as much as I can from the comfort of my own box |
| 03:09.47 | brailsmt_ | i have no idea what that means (other than it is an email protocol that leaves the msgs on the server), I know very little about networking and I haven't even given it thought yet... |
| 03:09.56 | taran | amen. you have two computers, you probably don't even need to ssh in |
| 03:10.10 | brailsmt_ | yeah, I can crash my own network :) |
| 03:10.55 | taran | IMAP is basically that - an email reading protocol so that you can access email remotely with the same ease as you can locally. |
| 03:11.12 | taran | well, I'm off to bed. have fun reading man pages |
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| 07:49.32 | kryptik | Anyone in here? |
| 08:17.11 | kryptik | #flood |
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| 16:18.59 | han_solo | let's make up a procmail rule to put [PLUG] in the subject for people |
| 16:19.03 | han_solo | then we don't have to change the list, just point them to the procmail rule. those who have weird tastes can even adapt it to all their other lists, and enjoy inbox overflow |
| 16:30.43 | Jayce^ | heh |
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| 16:48.13 | Jayce^ | need to finish it some, but it's coming along. |
| 16:50.34 | fozz | meow |
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| 19:54.48 | han_solo | so, brailsmt, I couldn't live with vim 6.0z on the 460 boxes, and installed vim 6.1 in my user space |
| 19:55.30 | han_solo | you're welcome to put ~fugalh/bin in your path if you don't want to do the same. |
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