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00:30.33Jayce^hey han_solo, you ever finish downloading those songs?
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02:22.54han_soloJayce^: no
02:23.11han_solobyu's network has been dastardly slow
02:23.46Jayce^lame
02:24.16Jayce^I should get a copy of afro-celt tonight hopefully
02:24.47leviHeh, Afro-Celt Sound System?
02:31.20Jayce^yeah
02:31.29Jayce^I lost my copy.. have been looking for a replacement
02:34.55leviCool.  I've got some mp3s.
02:35.09Jayce^good stuff..
02:40.15leviLooks like it's their second album.
02:40.38Jayce^the one with peter gabriel on the one song?
02:41.15leviErm, I don't think so.  It's got Sinead O'Connor, though.
02:41.26Jayce^hrmm. not the one I've heard then..
02:41.33Jayce^you object to leeching?
02:42.15leviNo, but my connection sucks.  I could put them somewhere if you've got an ftp site, but it'd take a while.
02:42.40Jayce^as in how sucky?
02:43.05Jayce^~10k? 20?
02:44.21leviIt's been a while since I tried to upload anything.  It's a 2-way satellite connection.  Awful latency and low upstream bandwidth.
02:45.12leviI hate it.  We'll hopefully be ditching it in a few months when the contract is up.  Hoping for 802.11 wireless.
02:45.22Jayce^wow..
02:53.09leviHigh latency really sucks.
02:59.38leviAnyway, I'll attempt an upload if you've got somewhere for me to put them.
03:00.21Jayce^gotta set up my ftp server for anonymous access..
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03:58.32leviJayce^: Lemme know when your ftp is set up.
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15:18.11han_sologedcom xml 6.0 beta spec at familysearch.org - updated dec 6
15:53.45han_solowhat's the best way to find whether a program is available (i.e. in the path) in a script?
16:01.36BradipoIf it's available it will run.
16:01.48BradipoYou could always use ``which program'' though.
16:02.12han_soloif which keychain; then ... ; fi
16:02.20han_solobut I get the output of which on the terminal
16:02.20BradipoPossibly, yeah.
16:02.30Bradipoif which keychain >/dev/null
16:02.32han_soloI ended up doing if which keychain > /dev/null; then .. ;fi
16:15.37CosmicPenguinKEYCHAIN=`which keychain`
16:15.50CosmicPenguinif [ -n $KEYCHAIN ]; then
16:15.54CosmicPenguinI prefer that
16:16.16han_soloCosmicPenguin: tried that
16:16.19han_solobut KEYCHAIN is always set
16:17.32CosmicPenguinOh, sure....
16:18.11CosmicPenguinThis is probably better
16:18.20CosmicPenguinKEYCHAIN=`which keychain 2>/dev/null`
16:19.09han_solostill,
16:19.29han_solo$ set | grep KEY
16:19.29han_soloKEYCHAIN=
16:19.38han_solo$ if [ -n $KEYCHAIN]; then echo "hi"; fi
16:19.38han_solohi
16:22.15CosmicPenguin#!/bin/sh
16:22.15CosmicPenguinFOUND=`which $1 2>/dev/null`
16:22.15CosmicPenguinif [ -n "$FOUND" ]; then
16:22.15CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
16:22.15CosmicPenguinelse
16:22.16CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
16:22.17CosmicPenguinfi
16:22.40CosmicPenguinTry that - stick it into a test script and take it for a test run .  It works on my bash 2.05
16:24.54han_soloso it does
16:24.54han_soloweird
16:28.18CosmicPenguinBash is like dealing with women - you have a loose set of rules, and ocasionally they back fire on you in the worst way
17:27.59neybarlol
17:29.15CosmicPenguinJayce^: sadly, I'm engaged
17:29.15han_solohe never said he told them he knows that. ;-)
17:34.22han_solofor some reason, I just remembered the time I ate chinese on MIT campus
17:39.45han_solodo you think it would be bad style to define accessors in c++ like this:
17:39.45han_solostring name() { return _name; }
17:39.45han_solovoid name(string n) { _name = n; }
17:39.52Jayce^and that has *what* to do with *anything*?
17:40.42han_soloi don't know, but it started with CosmicPenguin and went from there. it was a nice experience. like something out of Levy's "Hackers"
18:00.23han_solo~Tolkien?
18:02.44Jayce^?
18:04.10han_solo<han_solo> Tolkien it the best author ever.
18:04.19han_solo<ibot> i don't know, han_solo
18:04.44han_soloibot, lart ibot
18:06.24Jayce^~ibot
18:06.26hmm... ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/
18:06.35Jayce^~Jayce^
18:06.37well, jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge.
18:07.03han_soloseems ibot hasn't lost his memory
18:10.13han_solohe's still sore about OSCON
18:11.54Jayce^hehe
18:24.59Jayce^ibot: insult han_solo
18:25.09Jayce^how'd you get him to do that han_solo?
18:30.23han_solo<PROTECTED>
18:30.23han_soloalas it isn't anonymous ;-)
18:30.42Jayce^I thought if you messaged that, he'd /msg it back
18:31.26han_solooh, oops
18:31.35han_solo<PROTECTED>
18:31.41Jayce^ahhh
18:32.30Jayce^on insult he still does that /msg back, not to the channel.. must be specific to lart
18:45.25han_solois there a standard way to deal with unicode strings? Not wide character arrays but something analagous to std::string
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21:21.12han_soloonly commit every hour?
21:21.19Jayce^interesting..
21:22.57BZFlagsure. with noflushd it'll commit every time there is a read anyway. I only want ext3 to avoid the fsck on reboot.
21:23.50BZFlagif an app does a sync, then those changes get committed. commit=3600 should just stop ext3 from doing periodic pointless writes and waking up the ide.
21:24.06BZFlagahh.. the sound of silence. ;-)
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21:41.24BZFlaghmm. boot option rootflags=data=writeback was needed.
21:43.13Jayce^so, BZFlag, you're not CTO now, but is lineo/embedix going to be kept going at the same place? or will it be moved?
21:44.00BZFlagsame place.
21:44.10Jayce^that's good to hear..
21:44.19Jayce^(more for you than us, I'm sure)
21:44.33BZFlagheh
21:45.22BZFlagadding -m 0 to syslogd and changing exim to only spool every hour helps too.
21:45.35BZFlagmmm. ttt again. good idea. ;-)
21:45.51Jayce^very good..  
21:46.06Jayce^so, what did you think of the fight scene with Gandalf and the baelrog?
21:46.27BZFlagnice. no complaints.
21:46.44Jayce^yeah..  quite the rush when they hit the bottom :)
21:47.02BZFlagI like the "white" fire that gandalf used. I pictured more fireballs, but I like what they did better.
21:47.09Jayce^I really liked the effect when glamdring hit the baelrog....
21:47.34Jayce^yeah, the "subtle" magic that he uses all the time is nice..
21:48.18Jayce^wormtoungue played his part very well..
21:48.23Jayce^how much did those cost you?
21:48.39BZFlagagreed! I loved the tranformation of the king
21:49.08BZFlagbirthday presents, so I don't know. I can tell you where to get them cheaply though...
21:49.08Jayce^that was a trip.. and the touch of when gandalf hits his staff, and knocks sauruman back..
21:49.13Jayce^where?
21:50.33BZFlaghttp://store.yahoo.com/tins/lorofringlam.html
21:50.44BZFlagby far the cheapest price I've seen
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21:51.26BZFlagdon't know if they will take orders when out of stock though.
21:51.43Jayce^that is pretty good..
21:52.12Jayce^hehe..
21:52.20Kryptikhan_solo: are you going to see it?
21:53.32Jayce^I'd really like one of those elvish sword/staff's you see them using, especially in the fellowship opening battle..
21:54.32KryptikWas there a PLUG this month?
21:54.45Jayce^it was wednesday night..
21:54.54BZFlaghttp://store.yahoo.com/bladeguy/lordofrings.html <- next best I've found.
21:55.04KryptikDarn.
21:55.10KryptikWhat was it on?
21:55.18Jayce^BZFlag: http://www.swords-online.com/website/navigator.cgi?type=display&language=english&uid=764g74b72J&refid=None&from=fantasy&goto=UC-1265&area=all&sort=type
21:55.37Jayce^we had bruce eckel, a pretty well known author presenting..
21:55.46KryptikOn?
21:56.02han_soloKryptik: yeah, 7:00 showing tonight
21:56.10KryptikCool.
21:56.20Jayce^BZFlag: this place says they'll beat any price :)
21:56.35BZFlager beat any price. cool! put up a web site of your own. ;-)
21:56.46Jayce^hehe
21:56.48KryptikHeh.
21:56.57KryptikI have never thought of that...
21:57.16KryptikGreat idea though. Till someone buys from you.
21:57.42BZFlaghttp://store.yahoo.com/tins/lorofringlam.html <- email em this and see what they say. ;-)
21:58.04BZFlagKryptik: don't need to "publish" a link to your page anywhere, just amil it to them.
21:58.49BZFlagand if they sell it to you for cheaper, then you can sell it to someone else for the higher price that you list, plus shipping.
21:59.24Kryptikright, but it would take a bit longer to get it to the costumer if you bought it from another source.
22:01.49BZFlagwell, don't promise speedy shipping then. ;-)
22:02.15KryptikHeh, uh yes, we should have that in uh.. ten to twelve weeks.
22:02.18BZFlagmany of these places carry little to no inventory and do the same though these days.
22:02.34BZFlagget the other guy to drop ship. ;-)
22:02.44KryptikYea, there you go.
22:04.20Kryptik**cheer** no school for two weeks **cheer**
22:04.40Kryptik**cry** have to go to dads house for christmas, then my moms... **sad**
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22:20.33KryptikI have a physics teacher named mr. craig
22:21.43Mr_Kregwhere at?
22:22.32KryptikAF
22:22.44KryptikHigh school.
22:23.02Mr_Kregaf?
22:23.10Mr_Kreg>: ) don't live in utah anymore
22:23.19KryptikAmerican Fork
22:23.28KryptikOh, where you at now?
22:23.34Mr_Kregjust north in idaho
22:23.51Mr_Kregi saw #utah in the chan list and couldn't resist stopping in
22:24.32KryptikHeh.
22:24.49KryptikDid you used to come here?
22:25.10Mr_Kregonce or twice while i was in ogden
22:25.18Mr_Kregi used to be in the oalug
22:26.57KryptikHmm.
22:29.58KryptikPLUG > OALUG
22:30.12Jayce^hehe..  just different cities.
22:30.59KryptikI know. I know.
22:32.00Mr_Kregheh heh, oalug suffers from activity
22:32.16Jayce^suffers from activity?
22:32.43Kryptiknot enough..
22:33.00Jayce^just want to make sure ..
22:34.36Mr_Kregwell they either suffer or suffered.  dunno if they are even alive still
22:35.21Jayce^dunno.. the free software club supposedly is pretty busy .. fozz? care to comment on that, you know them better..
22:46.20Kryptikguess not
22:51.16BZFlagoalug?
22:52.49BZFlag~oalug is Ogden Area Linux Users Group at http://oalug.darkpenguin.com/
22:52.50okay, BZFlag
22:55.44KryptikI wish I would have known about that, I just came from clearfield.
22:59.55Mr_Kregheh, oalug was good, but only when they actually had meetings
23:00.04KryptikReally?
23:00.29KryptikHmm, I never went. I was told they did not have one, and so I started going to 2600slc. That was cool.
23:48.34Jayce^about time hans
23:48.41KryptikHeh.

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