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| 06:05.37 | Jayce^ | too sweet, the wife and I were looking at getting new cell phones.. and t-mobile has a deal here, sing up, get free phones, and your choice of a ps2 or xbox... what a geeky deal.. |
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| 06:09.32 | kryptik | People... it feels sooo good to be back! |
| 06:11.06 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 06:12.48 | kryptik | What time do you go to bed Jayce^? |
| 06:13.07 | kryptik | Usually..? |
| 06:15.53 | Jayce^ | uhh.. varies.. usually pretty late.. |
| 06:16.03 | Jayce^ | but my wife has been trying hard to make that be earlier.. |
| 06:19.01 | kryptik | Hehe, well we can't have that now can we!? |
| 07:12.02 | kryptik | Well, for all those whe give... I think its my time. |
| 07:28.15 | kryptik | Dont say a word.. |
| 07:39.38 | kryptik | Here I go... |
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| 15:37.53 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo... you grab those tracks last night? |
| 15:38.44 | han_solo | no |
| 15:38.49 | han_solo | I'll grab them now |
| 15:38.56 | Jayce^ | k, I added in my agnes tracks.. |
| 15:39.58 | han_solo | so did you decide which tracks you need from me? |
| 15:40.07 | Jayce^ | need a list :) |
| 15:40.33 | han_solo | you mean a list of what I've got? |
| 15:40.39 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 15:45.23 | han_solo | ok, I scp'ed up a list of all I've got ripped |
| 15:45.51 | han_solo | pick what you want and email it back to me |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | leave it in that format (output of find) to make it easy to copy up |
| 15:51.25 | Jayce^ | k |
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| 16:31.40 | levi | Mmm, Midnight Oil |
| 16:31.51 | levi | I loved their concert here. Alas, they recently broke up. |
| 16:36.18 | Jayce^ | they did? didnt' hear that.. |
| 16:36.23 | Jayce^ | the concert was excellent.. |
| 16:40.05 | levi | Yet I still don't own any of their CDs. Hmm. |
| 16:46.32 | Jayce^ | ooohh.. a new mad max movie coming out! |
| 16:48.52 | fozz | That isn't necessarily a good thing. |
| 16:48.53 | fozz | :) |
| 16:49.10 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 16:49.24 | Jayce^ | so fozz, you buy a house down here yet? |
| 16:55.56 | han_solo | anonymously, of course. <duck> |
| 16:58.29 | Jayce^ | guess what.. the list aint going anonymous.. |
| 16:59.00 | fozz | heh. |
| 16:59.24 | fozz | Jayce^: Sorry- didn't see that. |
| 16:59.33 | fozz | I think I'm going to build in Riverton. |
| 16:59.37 | fozz | Not sure yet. |
| 16:59.46 | fozz | House up in Cache Valley still hasn't sold. |
| 17:00.03 | Jayce^ | ah.. |
| 17:01.19 | han_solo | anyone know why more classic board games don't get coded up? are people afraid of parker brothers etc.? I remember back in the day there were a million shareware versions of monopoly for dos/windows |
| 17:01.36 | han_solo | the only linux version I've seen is the worthless text versino of monopoly |
| 17:01.57 | Jayce^ | probably can't do it too closely to the real game.. |
| 17:02.34 | han_solo | au contraire, I own(ed?) a monopoly game for dos that was very good. the AI was fairly decent too |
| 17:02.47 | han_solo | also risk. |
| 17:03.01 | han_solo | of course there's xfrisk - the one exception I've seen |
| 17:03.04 | Jayce^ | yeah, but how long until parker borthers clamped down on them for stealing their game? |
| 17:03.18 | han_solo | well this was a sanctioned product |
| 17:03.30 | han_solo | bought legit from a software store |
| 17:03.34 | Jayce^ | ahh, see, they probably expect money.. |
| 17:04.11 | han_solo | indeed. i'm just curious if they threw their weight around or if people just are more cautious about such things int his day and age, or if nobodly likes to play monopoly |
| 17:04.21 | han_solo | (or if I can type) |
| 17:04.23 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but hackers always go for sexy |
| 17:04.27 | CosmicPenguin | Board games are not sexy |
| 17:04.47 | han_solo | neither is xhack |
| 17:04.59 | han_solo | er nethack (or xnetchack) |
| 17:05.33 | CosmicPenguin | true - but I think nethack has the nostiga factor going on |
| 17:05.36 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: spell nostiga |
| 17:05.37 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'nostiga' |
| 17:06.38 | han_solo | what is nostiga? |
| 17:06.40 | han_solo | nostalgia? |
| 17:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | there you go |
| 17:07.55 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why I'm a programmer - I can use whatever spelling I want |
| 17:08.52 | han_solo | my family plays monopoly very different from the official rules. I think one day (about 10 years from now) I'll write a monopoly clone with the flexibility to let us play that way |
| 17:10.04 | brailsmt | http://ddtm.simon-cozens.org/~simon/ruby.html |
| 17:10.31 | brailsmt | that is an article written for the Perl Journal, it is interesting... |
| 17:10.31 | Jayce^ | hehe.. simon is funny.. |
| 17:10.38 | brailsmt | you perl ppl may want to read it... |
| 17:11.05 | Jayce^ | actually simon is the guy who is writing the ruby part of parrot.. |
| 17:11.26 | Jayce^ | that's part of the perl 6 vision. |
| 17:11.28 | brailsmt | well, he basically compares ruby to perl 6 |
| 17:11.45 | brailsmt | he says that ruby offers most of what perl 6 promises, right now |
| 17:12.07 | Jayce^ | some, not all.. :) |
| 17:12.23 | brailsmt | most, not some :) |
| 17:13.40 | Jayce^ | not according to the perl 6 lists.. since perl6 still is only 1/3 of the way designed.. |
| 17:14.38 | Jayce^ | but ruby was largely patterned of perl (it's big strength IMHO).. jsut adding modernity to perl 5's old stuff.. now perl 6 is doing the same, but adding onto ruby and all the others, as perl always does.. |
| 17:15.13 | Jayce^ | note, I do view ruby above all the other scripting languages, sans perl. |
| 17:16.51 | Jayce^ | plus, this came out last year.. a lot has changed since then... |
| 17:17.13 | brailsmt | simon just posted it to #ruby-lang two days ago... |
| 17:18.21 | Jayce^ | November's TPJ is talking about a while ago, unless they did one just this time too (dont' get it anymore) |
| 17:18.35 | Jayce^ | but they have done the ruby discussion a long time ago.. |
| 17:18.51 | brailsmt | lol... http://ddtm.simon-cozens.org/~simon/rubyslide.html |
| 17:19.19 | Jayce^ | bwahaha |
| 17:21.32 | Jayce^ | one of the things dating this ruby outline though, says you can't run perl6 through anything right now, when you can.. at least up through apocalypse 4 I believe, |
| 17:23.45 | han_solo | of simon's listed gripes the only one I agree with personally is CPAN |
| 17:24.06 | han_solo | not enough modules yet (I see that as an opportunity to be involved), and RAA just doesn't cut it. |
| 17:24.40 | brailsmt | though there has been recent development of raa... |
| 17:25.19 | han_solo | what I'd like to see is a module management system - i.e. at least to install modules if not to search and uninstall |
| 17:25.44 | brailsmt | there will be too... |
| 17:26.02 | han_solo | a la cpan or apt-get |
| 17:26.17 | brailsmt | i used to be working on raa.succ, but things kinda fell apart when seanoc started on his libxml bindings... |
| 17:27.09 | Jayce^ | actually, there was a great article on cpan for other languages, I think on perl.com the other day.. |
| 17:27.29 | brailsmt | matz has been quoted as saying ruby 1.8 will have a beta or pre-release by Christmas! |
| 17:27.51 | brailsmt | Dear Santa: I would really, really, really like ruby 1.8 for Christmas. -brailsmt |
| 17:27.55 | brailsmt | :) |
| 17:33.00 | Jayce^ | of course not too long (relatively) after it's out, we'll be all going to perl 6, and need to create a mod_perl based on that (wow, that's a while out) |
| 17:33.51 | brailsmt | will existing perl libraries work in perl6? |
| 17:35.29 | Jayce^ | only some.. |
| 17:36.03 | Jayce^ | they are planning a porting route, some will work through a "recompile"/emulation type layer.. some will be able to be automatically translated.. |
| 17:36.30 | Jayce^ | then subject to optimization.. |
| 17:37.30 | Jayce^ | a lot of that still depends on the finality of perl 6 |
| 18:18.22 | Jayce^ | han_solo: was that your message in that thread? mr anon? |
| 18:19.11 | han_solo | no sir |
| 18:19.25 | Jayce^ | yeah... riiiight.. |
| 18:20.06 | Jayce^ | you get that midnight oil yet? |
| 18:20.50 | han_solo | just now finished 2ring |
| 18:20.56 | han_solo | 88m11.619s |
| 18:21.46 | Jayce^ | it's nice that your d/l's are on a different connection than I am using.. doesn't even phase me.. |
| 18:21.54 | Jayce^ | wish I had it set up to balance the two.. |
| 18:51.09 | han_solo | um, Jayce^, the plug meeting is on the 18th. |
| 18:51.11 | han_solo | Dec 18, 2002 |
| 18:52.05 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 18:52.29 | han_solo | lucky (?) for me I don't have tickets until the 20th |
| 18:53.40 | Jayce^ | hehe.. mine are the 18th.. 12:01 in the morning.. |
| 18:54.28 | han_solo | you promise not to spoil it? |
| 18:55.55 | CosmicPenguin | hehe - we'll tell you how it ends... :) |
| 18:57.08 | han_solo | at least you can't spoil the story for me ;-) |
| 18:57.43 | CosmicPenguin | If the movie ends the way I think it will, my fiance will be extremely angry (she hasn't read the books) |
| 18:59.21 | han_solo | heh. that's why my wife did read them. She didn't think she'd like them but she came to the movie since I was so excited about it. she thought "I'm glad you're with me, Sam" was the worst ending ever |
| 18:59.30 | han_solo | so she read the books to find out what happened. now she's hooked. :) |
| 19:11.29 | Jayce^ | actually, I read online how they have it cut a bit before the books ending.. |
| 19:13.32 | brailsmt | they cut the first one a little after the beginning of the second book... |
| 19:13.57 | brailsmt | IIRC the battle with the uruk-hai was a th te beginning of the second book... |
| 19:14.24 | Jayce^ | the end.. it ended with frodo and sam crossing the river, |
| 19:14.52 | brailsmt | i guess i remembered wrong then... |
| 19:15.14 | brailsmt | I imagine that Two Towers will not end in the same place as the book... |
| 19:15.57 | brailsmt | since the Return is mostly the resolution of the story, and most of the pages in the RoTK book are the appendices |
| 19:16.13 | brailsmt | or roughly half of the pages I should say |
| 19:16.30 | Jayce^ | nope, two towers ends a little earlier than the book... |
| 19:17.56 | brailsmt | i've tried to get my wife to read the books, but to no avail... |
| 19:18.08 | Jayce^ | my wife got addicted very quickly.. |
| 19:18.20 | han_solo | brailsmt it does go just a little into the second book |
| 19:18.28 | brailsmt | she keeps asking me all sorts of questions about the movie, and I just say, if I tell you, it will ruin the movie, or read the books... |
| 19:19.28 | han_solo | but not much. the first book ends with the crossing, but you see sam and frodo overlooking emyn muil, and the battle is still going as the books transition. i.e. boromir dies in the first chapter of tt |
| 19:19.50 | brailsmt | i knew it... |
| 19:20.11 | brailsmt | but i don't think it overlaps as much as I first though |
| 19:20.12 | brailsmt | t |
| 19:20.56 | brailsmt | I found it interesting they didn't put the weapons of Boromir's slain foes in the boat, as in the book... |
| 19:21.07 | brailsmt | minor detail i guess... |
| 19:23.07 | CosmicPenguin | Not so minor in the book - Boromir's brother makes a point of mentioning the weapons when he discovered Boromir's body |
| 19:24.40 | brailsmt | me too |
| 19:24.54 | brailsmt | maybe it'll get my wife to read the books :) |
| 19:25.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I'm thinking too... :) |
| 19:37.43 | Jayce^ | well, if you want to know how it ends, I can tell you... |
| 19:38.24 | han_solo | use vim |
| 19:38.29 | han_solo | then cut & paste |
| 19:38.33 | Jayce^ | :rot13? |
| 19:39.30 | han_solo | g?<motion> |
| 19:40.17 | brailsmt | i don't want to know |
| 19:40.32 | han_solo | me either. but I can't read rot13 |
| 19:40.42 | Jayce^ | g? ?? |
| 19:40.57 | Jayce^ | guess I'm not doing it right.. |
| 19:40.57 | han_solo | and by not bringing it into vim, I'm safe |
| 19:41.16 | han_solo | ggg?G |
| 19:41.50 | brailsmt | shouldn't gg?G work |
| 19:42.26 | brailsmt | no, it doesn't |
| 19:42.53 | Jayce^ | gur zbivr raqf bhgfvqr bs gur ghaary, gung tbrf gb zbeqbe (ivn Furybof ynve), jvgu tbyyhz cbvagvat gur jnl, fnlvat vg'f gur frperg jnl va.. naq zragvbavat ubj *fur* jvyy gnxr pner bs rirelguvat (nccebk) |
| 19:42.53 | han_solo | that searches backwards for G |
| 19:42.53 | han_solo | gg goes to the beginning, g? rot-13, G until the end |
| 19:43.00 | han_solo | Pattern not found: G |
| 19:43.01 | Jayce^ | sweet.. |
| 19:43.10 | brailsmt | dangit... no I am tempted... |
| 19:43.12 | Jayce^ | yeah, the two g's didnt' work.. |
| 19:43.26 | Jayce^ | it's a very rough description of the very end.. |
| 19:43.26 | han_solo | brailsmt hurry, logout |
| 19:43.33 | han_solo | then it won't be here when you reopen xchat |
| 19:43.38 | brailsmt | i have logging turned on... :) |
| 19:45.52 | brailsmt | not i |
| 19:46.07 | Jayce^ | fb onfvpnyyl, vafgrnq bs yrnivat vg va gur *ernyyl* fpnel cneg gung gur obbx yrnirf bss.. vg uvagf ng qnexre guvatf, naq jvgu n fhogyrgl gung gur obbx ernqref jvyy rawbl |
| 19:47.36 | brailsmt | Fgbc vg! |
| 19:48.00 | Jayce^ | bwahahaha |
| 19:48.27 | Jayce^ | that was it.. the second one was basically just a comment on the first one, but with enough hints that it was best to rot it.. |
| 19:49.12 | brailsmt | Yrnea ehol, crey fhpxf! |
| 19:49.21 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:49.48 | Jayce^ | lbh xabj gung ubyr, gur bar lbh chg cvr va? Fuhg vg! |
| 19:50.05 | Jayce^ | readers of PA will enjoy that one.. |
| 19:50.16 | brailsmt | PA? |
| 19:50.25 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.29 | Jayce^ | penny arcade.. |
| 19:50.29 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.21 | brailsmt | is there a string that is the same whether rot13 encoded or not? |
| 19:53.33 | han_solo | 1337 |
| 19:53.54 | neybar | I want that shirt from PA |
| 19:54.03 | Jayce^ | which? |
| 19:54.19 | neybar | lbh xabj gung ubyr, gur bar lbh chg cvr va? Fuhg vg! |
| 19:55.44 | Jayce^ | heh.. the PA site is having php errors :) poor things.. |
| 19:56.17 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: rot fb onfvpnyyl, vafgrnq bs yrnivat vg va gur *ernyyl* fpnel cneg gung gur obbx yrnirf bss.. vg uvagf ng qnexre guvatf, naq jvgu n fhogyrgl gung gur obbx ernqref jvyy rawbl |
| 19:56.18 | | CosmicPenguin: You are moron #7 |
| 19:56.32 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: I am a moron? |
| 19:56.32 | | no idea, CosmicPenguin |
| 19:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: help |
| 19:56.51 | han_solo | lol |
| 19:56.58 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: rot13 fb onfvpnyyl, vafgrnq bs yrnivat vg va gur *ernyyl* fpnel cneg gung gur obbx yrnirf bss.. vg uvagf ng qnexre guvatf, naq jvgu n fhogyrgl gung gur obbx ernqref jvyy rawbl |
| 19:56.58 | | so basically, instead of leaving it in the *really* scary part that the book leaves off.. it hints at darker things, and with a subtlety that the book readers will enjoy |
| 19:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | Doh |
| 19:57.20 | CosmicPenguin | Srry |
| 19:57.36 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't know you were actually doing something live |
| 19:57.39 | Jayce^ | brailsmt* better delete his log, at least it's the second one.. |
| 19:58.13 | Jayce^ | well, this is a perfect example of when it's useful. |
| 19:58.42 | CosmicPenguin | Until an idiot like me comes along |
| 19:58.48 | brailsmt | dangit... |
| 19:59.13 | brailsmt | <flood> |
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| 19:59.16 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.18 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.19 | Jayce^ | at least that message is generic enough to not give anything away, since I already said the movie cut off before the book |
| 19:59.21 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.48 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.51 | neybar | at least you didn't give away the part where frodo dies |
| 19:59.53 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.59 | han_solo | Jayce^: without any more spoilers, how do you know where the movie ends? |
| 20:00.01 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.16 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.16 | Jayce^ | han_solo: read a review that had "spoilers" |
| 20:00.18 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.21 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.23 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.32 | han_solo | ahh |
| 20:00.33 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.52 | han_solo | brailsmt did you already pass off that fractal music thing? |
| 20:03.05 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 20:03.31 | han_solo | pc speaker? |
| 20:03.34 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 20:03.55 | brailsmt | Jayce^: my resolution is fine, but it is tough to keep eyes from glancing... |
| 20:04.09 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 20:04.15 | brailsmt | i won't look in the logs, but it is a different matter when it is on screen... |
| 20:04.34 | brailsmt | cya'll |
| 20:04.36 | Jayce^ | brailsmt: what day are your tickets? |
| 20:04.37 | han_solo | cool. what did you do it in? did you write an intermediary file or just call the speaker from in the program? |
| 20:04.43 | brailsmt | i don't have them yet... |
| 20:04.47 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 20:04.49 | han_solo | later |
| 20:04.52 | brailsmt | han_solo: ruby of course |
| 20:05.05 | brailsmt | and i used backticks to call 'beep' |
| 20:05.20 | han_solo | naturally. :) if you send it to me I'd like to make some synth version of it |
| 20:05.29 | han_solo | just for fun |
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| 22:15.41 | Jayce^ | Harley.... |
| 22:17.21 | HarleyPig | ? |
| 22:18.27 | Jayce^ | check your email... |
| 22:18.41 | HarleyPig | harleypig.com? Can't. It's down. |
| 22:19.07 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. dang man, you're missing out on all the fun on plug.. |
| 22:19.18 | Jayce^ | even the switchover to the new list?? |
| 22:22.18 | HarleyPig | ? Don't know about a switchover. |
| 22:22.42 | HarleyPig | nohup gaim & |
| 22:22.43 | Jayce^ | aaagghh... HarleyPig is a lost cause.. |
| 22:22.43 | HarleyPig | crap |
| 22:23.03 | Jayce^ | mike was supposed to post about it on plug, hasnt' yet.. well, check the page, top link on the left hand side.. |
| 22:23.10 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, read about the meeting too.. |
| 22:24.42 | HarleyPig | ummm ... I may not be able to come ... baby is due the 19th. |
| 22:25.15 | Jayce^ | wah wah wah.. you've got your phone now.. |
| 22:26.13 | HarleyPig | Hah ... only when I can put money in it. |
| 22:26.18 | HarleyPig | But I'm certainly gonna try. |
| 22:26.57 | Jayce^ | well, remember, you know other people with cell phones.. |
| 22:30.45 | Jayce^ | it's all a joke, there is no such thing as graduation.. |
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