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| 00:53.31 | Kagi | everyone here from UT? |
| 00:53.51 | Jayce^ | yup |
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| 00:54.48 | HarleyPig | SysInfo: Linux 2.4.18 | Pentium III (Coppermine) @ 864MHz | BogoMIPS: 1723.59 | Mem: 91MB/255MB 7[3|||14-------7] | Diskspace: 21GB/37GB 7[3|||||14-----7] | Screen Res: 1600x1200 | Procs: 61 | eth0: In: 629.8MB Out: 347.6MB | Uptime: 2 days, 6 hours 44 minutes | Users: 6 | Load: 072.50, 1.79, 1.39 |
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| 00:57.32 | Jayce^ | well, aren't you special.. |
| 01:00.47 | Jayce^ | SysInfo: Linux 2.4.19-16mdk | AMD Athlon(TM) XP2000+ @ 1679MHz | BogoMIPS: 3348.88 | Mem: 352MB/516MB 7[3||||||14----7] | Diskspace: 29GB/77GB 7[3|||14-------7] | Screen Res: 2880x1200 | Procs: 95 | eth0: In: 549.3MB Out: 1.5GB | Uptime: 19 days, 17 min | Users: 9 | Load: 0.31, 0.33, 0.27 |
| 01:00.49 | HarleyPig | Just testing the perl plugin. |
| 01:01.00 | Jayce^ | take that.. |
| 01:01.31 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 01:05.15 | Jayce^ | grr.. how can you change a gnome font color?! (gnome 2).. or other color.. none of the color schemes it provides have a dark background like I use.. |
| 01:05.36 | Jayce^ | (in kde).. so all my gnome apps have a light background, with a light font.. |
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| 02:31.31 | kryptik[work] | What up all? |
| 02:32.31 | cpenguin_home | nada |
| 02:33.03 | kryptik[work] | Yea yea, keep it that way... :-) |
| 02:34.35 | kryptik[work] | Shit, I lost every thing... Stupid print2pdf!!! |
| 02:35.13 | kryptik[work] | oops, wrong channel. |
| 02:35.19 | kryptik[work] | :-( |
| 02:35.48 | cpenguin_home | heh |
| 02:36.23 | kryptik[work] | Man, that ticks me off. |
| 02:36.28 | kryptik[work] | I hate windows.... |
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| 03:13.17 | sickboy_osX | Man this room is hopin |
| 03:14.00 | levi__ | Oh yeah. |
| 03:14.06 | sickboy_osX | whoa someone speaks |
| 03:15.08 | levi__ | I do that occasionally. |
| 03:16.10 | sickboy_osX | arrgghh I need to replace one of my systems |
| 03:16.27 | cpenguin_home | hopefully its the osX system... :-) |
| 03:16.48 | levi__ | Yeah, with a faster one. :) |
| 03:17.45 | sickboy_osX | LOL it is my OLD HP 3000 |
| 03:17.58 | cpenguin_home | mmmm.... MIPS |
| 03:18.14 | sickboy_osX | yup, the OS X system is running fine, for not being able to open the case |
| 03:18.28 | levi__ | iMac? |
| 03:18.50 | sickboy_osX | Nope, Mac OS X for x86 Based Processors |
| 03:18.59 | sickboy_osX | Apple sent the company I work for a Box |
| 03:19.07 | sickboy_osX | and it is sitting here right now |
| 03:19.18 | levi__ | Ah, sweet. |
| 03:19.22 | levi__ | What company? |
| 03:19.32 | sickboy_osX | A Small Little company |
| 03:19.36 | sickboy_osX | ever heard of Hewlett-Packard |
| 03:19.45 | cpenguin_home | Better than a Large Unamed Company |
| 03:19.49 | sickboy_osX | I am telneting through my home box right now |
| 03:21.28 | levi__ | How come Apple sent you one of those? |
| 03:22.39 | sickboy_osX | because we develop printer software for Mac OS and we are a premere developer |
| 03:24.01 | levi__ | So they want to make sure there are printer drivers for their x86 box, eh? |
| 03:24.27 | sickboy_osX | yeah among other things |
| 03:25.19 | levi__ | I had no idea they were that serious about it. |
| 03:25.21 | levi__ | So it's running the full OS X? |
| 03:25.28 | sickboy_osX | yeah it is |
| 03:26.35 | sickboy_osX | The case is welded shut |
| 03:26.49 | sickboy_osX | and the processor information is not avalable |
| 03:28.42 | levi__ | You can't even probe it via software? |
| 03:32.14 | sickboy_osX | nope |
| 03:32.18 | sickboy_osX | hey I have a question though |
| 03:33.29 | sickboy_osX | If I have both GNOME and KDE on a Linux Box, how can i switch from using KDE and use Gnome |
| 03:35.45 | kryptik[work] | Do you use a graphical login? |
| 03:37.22 | sickboy_osX | yeah I do |
| 03:37.27 | sickboy_osX | but it only gives me KDE options |
| 03:37.40 | kryptik[work] | Hmm. are you sure you installed gnome? |
| 03:38.06 | sickboy_osX | pretty sure but i guess i should check |
| 03:38.23 | kryptik[work] | Yea, it sounds like it is not installed, though most default it to be... |
| 03:38.48 | sickboy_osX | I wish I could use the HP-UX 11 interface |
| 03:39.18 | cpenguin_home | Gnome doesn't play nice unless you are using GDM, IIRC |
| 03:39.18 | kryptik[work] | Um, dont know anything about that |
| 03:39.26 | kryptik[work] | or those... |
| 03:39.27 | cpenguin_home | Thats why I use FVWM... :) |
| 03:39.35 | kryptik[work] | Or that. |
| 03:39.46 | kryptik[work] | I use FKSl |
| 03:39.52 | kryptik[work] | heh. |
| 03:41.24 | kryptik[work] | Is fvwm some sort of windows manager... or no? |
| 03:42.17 | kryptik[work] | Something, something windows manager..? |
| 03:42.26 | sickboy_osX | I also want my CD rom Drives in my Linux box to both mount |
| 03:43.16 | kryptik[work] | Auto? |
| 03:43.23 | kryptik[work] | cause taht is pretty easy. |
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| 03:43.30 | brailsmt | www.jingandmike.com/pages/xmas.html |
| 03:43.34 | brailsmt | 12.254.226.160/img/img12.jpg |
| 03:43.34 | sickboy_osX | yeah and both show up at the desktop |
| 03:43.41 | brailsmt | enjoy :) |
| 03:43.43 | kryptik[work] | That is easy to do |
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| 04:09.44 | han_solo | heh |
| 04:10.12 | kryptik[work] | i wouldnt think so... |
| 04:10.14 | han_solo | maybe if you rendered fractals and compiled a kernel you'd wrap around and start chargint the battery instead |
| 04:10.20 | kryptik[work] | heh |
| 04:10.23 | brailsmt | like 1/4 the batery is gone in 15 minutes... |
| 04:10.23 | kryptik[work] | That would be cool |
| 04:10.38 | kryptik[work] | dang and hours worth of renders... |
| 04:10.41 | han_solo | battery[-1] |
| 04:10.47 | kryptik[work] | heh |
| 04:11.14 | brailsmt | dangit, my zoom is all hosed... |
| 04:11.40 | kryptik[work] | heh, down goes the fun. |
| 04:12.50 | brailsmt | well, i must have a foot of snow already... :) |
| 04:13.18 | kryptik[work] | snow? |
| 04:13.46 | brailsmt | xsnow |
| 04:13.53 | kryptik[work] | What is that? |
| 04:14.17 | brailsmt | it snows on your desktop |
| 04:14.51 | kryptik[work] | Hmm what is its purpose, or is it like those eyes that follow your cursor? |
| 04:15.32 | brailsmt | the purpose, i suppose is to be fun... |
| 04:16.03 | kryptik[work] | Hmm I have never seen it before, is it in any of the RH's? |
| 04:17.28 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.28 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.34 | brailsmt | check it out... |
| 04:17.40 | kryptik[work] | Right... |
| 04:19.27 | kryptik[work] | Why are there trees in mid air? |
| 04:19.30 | brailsmt | anyone know how I can write to a device file with c++? |
| 04:19.52 | brailsmt | with fstream, or open/fopen, or something else? |
| 04:19.59 | cpenguin_home | Either one |
| 04:20.01 | cpenguin_home | Its a file |
| 04:20.07 | cpenguin_home | Do with it as you will |
| 04:20.25 | brailsmt | and do I write binary data to it, or char data too, or does it matter? |
| 04:20.52 | cpenguin_home | it depends on what it needs |
| 04:21.05 | cpenguin_home | Technically, all data is binary, though... :) |
| 04:21.33 | kryptik[work] | ... |
| 04:22.08 | kryptik[work] | : "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't." |
| 04:23.14 | brailsmt | my wife saw that shirt and thought it was dumb since it made no sense... I laughed :) |
| 04:23.56 | kryptik[work] | Later guys.. |
| 04:24.03 | kryptik[work] | Ride is here. |
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| 04:39.29 | cpenguin_home | heh - found a bux in xsnow |
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| 09:07.17 | kryptik | Tyler is still up... |
| 09:24.35 | kryptik | Hehe. Me too. |
| 09:27.08 | kryptik | Heh. |
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| 15:14.13 | brailsmt | anyone know how I can reset the colormap in X without killing the X server and starting over? |
| 15:14.34 | han_solo | got me. no x programming here |
| 15:14.34 | han_solo | you're up early today :) |
| 15:14.46 | han_solo | toolkits are as close as I've ever come |
| 15:14.52 | brailsmt | han_solo: who said I ever went to bed? |
| 15:14.53 | brailsmt | :( |
| 15:15.13 | han_solo | :( |
| 15:15.14 | brailsmt | i am trying to figure out fractal music... |
| 15:15.34 | brailsmt | and c/c++ file i/o sucks... |
| 15:15.35 | han_solo | oh fun |
| 15:15.40 | han_solo | what about it? |
| 15:16.04 | brailsmt | well, I never read/write files with c++ anymore, so I forgot how... :| |
| 15:16.50 | han_solo | no, about the fractal music |
| 15:17.16 | brailsmt | oh, it is still part of my graphics class... (go figure...) |
| 15:17.35 | brailsmt | it took me forever hunting on google to find out what to do to get fractal music... |
| 15:17.43 | brailsmt | and it is still kinda fuzzy... |
| 15:18.00 | han_solo | so for your graphics class you make fractal music? i'm still kinda fuzzy |
| 15:18.21 | brailsmt | when I am gonna end up doing is specifying a pitch based a julia set and then play those pitches with a constant interval... |
| 15:18.31 | brailsmt | han_solo: yes |
| 15:19.04 | han_solo | this is part of the class? who's your teacher? |
| 15:19.25 | han_solo | i'm no expert on fractals, but i've got the computer music thing down |
| 15:20.21 | han_solo | what program to play the pitches? just the pc speaker or what? |
| 15:22.40 | brailsmt | han_solo: my teacher is Dr. Burton |
| 15:22.43 | brailsmt | funny guy |
| 15:23.09 | brailsmt | he has a seemingly endless wit... |
| 15:23.22 | brailsmt | anyway, I plan on using rbSnack |
| 15:23.58 | brailsmt | which is a ruby binding for Snack, which is a tcl/tk sound/voice recognition program... |
| 15:27.02 | han_solo | haven't looked at snack before |
| 15:28.05 | han_solo | so you just send in a wav file? |
| 15:28.48 | han_solo | or do you pass off in person |
| 15:29.02 | brailsmt | han_solo: no, I am just gonna write out the raw numbers from c++ to a file and then open that file from ruby, process the numbers to make them 'fit' and then play them... |
| 15:29.10 | brailsmt | oh, i pass off in person |
| 15:29.31 | brailsmt | so I can make it so it only owkrs on my laptop and they won't care :) |
| 15:30.49 | han_solo | cool. so are you chest-deep in snack? |
| 15:30.57 | han_solo | looks like a lot of work for playing some simple pitches (but cool for speech stuff) |
| 15:31.42 | brailsmt | han_solo: it is p[retty simple i think... at least someone else said it is simple... |
| 15:32.05 | brailsmt | maybe if I knew the wav file format I could output wav files and just play them... |
| 15:32.29 | han_solo | I can set you up a simple electronic instrument with Csound, then all you'd have to do is generate a file with the pitches and durations, run make and get a nice wave |
| 15:32.48 | han_solo | did you hear my song I did for my project last week? http://hans.fugal.net/sumer/ |
| 15:33.37 | brailsmt_ | no i didn't |
| 15:34.36 | han_solo | i can set you up a real interesting instrument and you can really impress the ol' ta |
| 15:34.44 | brailsmt_ | now what is this you were saying about Csound? is it a tool to convert pitches and durations to wave format? |
| 15:35.34 | han_solo | csound is a program for doing computer music, yes. you create csound 'instruments' and then play those instruments over a score |
| 15:36.02 | han_solo | csound is not simple, but the score format for playing notes is |
| 15:36.54 | han_solo | as simple as i1 0 10 440, which would play instrument starting at time 0 for duration 10 at 440Hz |
| 15:37.06 | han_solo | you could also specify it in octave/interval format |
| 15:37.23 | han_solo | you could specify the amplitude too if you want |
| 15:37.52 | brailsmt_ | would this be a lot of work for you? |
| 15:38.29 | han_solo | no, I'd just cut & paste one of my instruments and send you the files. you would have to install csound though. that wasn't easy, but I've figured it out |
| 15:38.35 | han_solo | so it won't be that hard for you |
| 15:39.41 | brailsmt_ | which csound do you have? |
| 15:40.03 | han_solo | 4.22 |
| 15:40.21 | han_solo | but it doesn't really matter, so long as you have a csound :) I don't use anything newfangled |
| 15:40.49 | han_solo | is there a gentoo package for it or something? |
| 15:41.00 | brailsmt_ | han_solo: no |
| 15:43.45 | han_solo | http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/pub/dream/newest/Csound.tar.gz |
| 15:43.54 | han_solo | untar it in its own directory (doesn't make one) |
| 15:46.06 | han_solo | edit the makefile (no ./configure). |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | 96,97c96,97 |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | < #FLTKLIB = -lfltk -lpthread -lg++ |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | < FLTKLIB = /usr/local/lib/libfltk.a /usr/lib/libpthread.a \ |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | --- |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | > FLTKLIB = -lfltk -lpthread -lstdc++ |
| 15:46.11 | han_solo | > #FLTKLIB = /usr/local/lib/libfltk.a /usr/lib/libpthread.a \ |
| 15:46.13 | han_solo | 279c279,280 |
| 15:46.15 | han_solo | < SUBDIRS = anals utils1 utils2 utils3 |
| 15:46.29 | brailsmt_ | han_solo: i just got a binary pkg... |
| 15:46.31 | han_solo | --- |
| 15:46.31 | han_solo | > #SUBDIRS = anals utils1 utils2 utils3 |
| 15:46.35 | han_solo | > SUBDIRS = anals utils1 |
| 15:46.35 | han_solo | 348c349 |
| 15:46.35 | han_solo | < cd util2; $(MAKE) install |
| 15:46.35 | han_solo | --- |
| 15:46.36 | han_solo | > #cd util2; $(MAKE) install |
| 15:46.38 | han_solo | is what I had to do |
| 15:46.49 | han_solo | did it work? (wouldn't on my system) |
| 15:47.11 | brailsmt_ | i types 'csound' in a term and I get "Bus error" |
| 15:47.26 | brailsmt_ | but i assume that i am provide the wrong options |
| 15:47.26 | han_solo | hmm. that's a new one |
| 15:47.36 | brailsmt_ | i don't know though... |
| 15:47.39 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a thread problem |
| 15:47.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorry for coming in late... :) |
| 15:47.47 | han_solo | csound by itself should give you a list of options |
| 15:48.27 | han_solo | i suspect you'll have to build it |
| 15:48.40 | han_solo | csound is the worst thing I've had to install by hand since gnucash on redhat |
| 15:49.03 | brailsmt_ | can I just say how much I hate improperly pkg'd tarballs... |
| 15:49.23 | brailsmt_ | I hate unpacking it to find that it just dumped 1000 files in my current dir... |
| 15:49.43 | brailsmt_ | not that csound has 1000 files... |
| 15:49.54 | brailsmt_ | close though... grrr.... |
| 15:51.54 | brailsmt_ | i assume the Makefile.lnx is the one for linux... |
| 15:52.11 | han_solo | probably. all I had to modify was Makefile proper though |
| 15:52.41 | han_solo | utils2 and utils3 wouldn't build, and I had to change the libraries. oh I had to install fltk too |
| 15:54.43 | brailsmt_ | stupid!!! "-DLINUX -DWINDOWS" |
| 15:54.45 | han_solo | i bet you'll at least have to change the FTKLIB variable in Makefile |
| 15:54.56 | brailsmt_ | afaik, you only need one of those defined... |
| 15:55.03 | han_solo | # -DWINDOWS include window system calls (X11, SGI, or FG graphics) |
| 15:55.29 | brailsmt_ | oh... i guess i shouldn't jump to conclusions... |
| 15:55.30 | CosmicPenguin | What version of FLTK does that use? |
| 15:55.38 | brailsmt_ | the bad tarfile has me ticked still :) |
| 15:56.02 | han_solo | not sure |
| 15:56.33 | han_solo | brailsmt_: I think Makefile.lnx is a makefile you can copy over to Makefile |
| 15:56.43 | brailsmt_ | Pattern not found: FLTK |
| 15:56.46 | han_solo | I don't think it's referred to. |
| 15:56.54 | han_solo | yeah, i just noticed that |
| 15:56.56 | brailsmt_ | ^-- when I searched Makefile.lnx for it |
| 15:57.04 | han_solo | apparently the linux makefile already has it turned off (which is fine) |
| 15:57.08 | brailsmt_ | and it has -DTCLTK |
| 15:57.20 | brailsmt_ | doh! |
| 15:57.21 | han_solo | they use the tcltk gui instead |
| 15:57.33 | han_solo | and frankly, i don't see why fltk is any better than tcltk |
| 15:59.18 | brailsmt_ | it barfed on me... |
| 15:59.34 | brailsmt_ | it says undefined reference to POLL_EVENTS |
| 15:59.47 | han_solo | what file? |
| 15:59.53 | brailsmt_ | which is defined in cs.h, which is #include'd in main.c (where the error pops up) |
| 16:00.02 | brailsmt_ | it is a linking error... |
| 16:00.19 | brailsmt_ | POLL_EVENTS is a preproc macro |
| 16:01.27 | han_solo | hmm. you could try patching the original Makefile with the diff I pasted |
| 16:01.27 | han_solo | that one worked for me |
| 16:01.55 | han_solo | it's gonna take my tortoise awhile to catch up to your laptop. :) |
| 16:08.42 | brailsmt_ | Makefile.lnx has already applied your patch it seems :) |
| 16:09.11 | han_solo | how so? |
| 16:09.20 | han_solo | Makefile.lnx is a lot different than Makefile |
| 16:09.48 | brailsmt_ | i went through what you pasted and all the changes were already made... |
| 16:10.33 | han_solo | and the LIBFLTK changes? |
| 16:10.44 | brailsmt_ | not there... |
| 16:11.02 | brailsmt_ | so, ok some didn't need to be changed in Makefile.lnx :) |
| 16:11.29 | han_solo | $ diff Makefile Makefile.lnx | wc -l |
| 16:11.29 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.03 | brailsmt_ | thats why i did it manually... |
| 16:15.59 | CosmicPenguin | FTLK is *much* better than tcltk |
| 16:16.06 | CosmicPenguin | Heck, motif is better than tcltk |
| 16:16.26 | CosmicPenguin | scriptable GUIs are overratted, IMHO |
| 16:16.35 | han_solo | CosmicPenguin: i'm sure it is. but csound uses the gui only for displaying simple graphs |
| 16:16.51 | han_solo | one window, with a graph and quit button |
| 16:17.10 | han_solo | brailsmt_: I got the same errors for Makefile.lnx, but with FLTK it linked fine |
| 16:17.15 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: well, FLTK is at least a single library with no dependancies. So thats nice... |
| 16:17.39 | han_solo | (i.e. with my changes to Makefile) |
| 16:18.17 | han_solo | CosmicPenguin: requires FLTK 1.1.x |
| 16:18.40 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: bah.... 1.1.x is a joke... I personally use 1.0.11 |
| 16:18.51 | brailsmt_ | scriptable guis are really good, with the right language and toolkit... |
| 16:21.07 | brailsmt_ | ok, i guess i will install fltk... |
| 16:25.31 | Jayce^ | arghhh.. spent all last night building a vbr svcd, and the video doesn't work on the burn.. sound is fine though.. |
| 16:25.39 | Jayce^ | soo close.. |
| 16:27.59 | brailsmt_ | han_solo: so what changes did you make to Makefile.lnx for fltk? |
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| 16:30.51 | han_solo | brailsmt_: I didn't use Makefile.lnx |
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| 16:31.00 | han_solo | all it is good for is to not use fltk |
| 16:31.24 | han_solo | someone remind me how to make a patch |
| 16:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | diff -urN |
| 16:33.48 | brailsmt_ | lol... as in 'Billy bob, I think something be diff-urn-t' |
| 16:34.23 | han_solo | brailsmt_: http://hans.fugal.net/csound.patch |
| 16:36.23 | brailsmt_ | ok, someone remind me how to apply a patch :) |
| 16:36.39 | han_solo | patch -p0 < csound.patch |
| 16:36.49 | han_solo | do it on the original Makefile of course |
| 16:37.46 | brailsmt_ | Hunk #2 FAILED at 346. |
| 16:37.47 | brailsmt_ | 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file Makefile.rej |
| 16:38.32 | han_solo | did you do it on the original makefile? |
| 16:39.34 | brailsmt_ | yeah |
| 16:40.04 | han_solo | what's in Makefile.rej? |
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| 16:40.52 | brailsmt_ | that |
| 16:40.55 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 16:41.11 | brailsmt_ | so the only difference there is to comment out 'cd util2;...' |
| 16:41.14 | brailsmt_ | right? |
| 16:41.24 | han_solo | right. |
| 16:41.29 | han_solo | wonder why that failed |
| 16:41.52 | brailsmt_ | and what about the other changes you pasted way back when? do i need to apply those too? |
| 16:42.50 | han_solo | heh. looks like I lost some changes. yeah apply those. I'll fix my patch |
| 16:50.16 | brailsmt_ | i get errors up the wazoo now in FL_graph.cpp |
| 17:00.58 | brailsmt_ | dumb makefile... it defines INCLUDE and then never includes it in the options to cc... |
| 17:01.25 | brailsmt_ | not that is matters, I can't get this to compile... |
| 17:02.05 | han_solo | what errors? it's working for me |
| 17:04.13 | brailsmt_ | FL_graph.cpp:1:19: FL/Fl.H: No such file or directory |
| 17:04.13 | brailsmt_ | FL_graph.cpp:2:26: FL/Fl_Window.H: No such file or directory |
| 17:04.13 | brailsmt_ | FL_graph.cpp:3:24: FL/fl_draw.H: No such file or directory |
| 17:04.13 | brailsmt_ | FL_graph.cpp:4:26: FL/Fl_Choice.H: No such file or directory |
| 17:04.23 | brailsmt_ | gcc -Wall -O2 -malign-loops=4 -malign-jumps=4 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -finline-functions -funroll-loops -DWITHx87 -DWINDOWS -DRTAUDIO -DSFIRCAM -DSYS5 -DLINUX -DPIPES -DMACROS -DTCLTK -DIV_SCHED -DRWD_DBFS -DHAVE_FLTK -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/fltk-1.1 -c winFLTK.c -o winFLTK.o |
| 17:04.35 | brailsmt_ | that is the command line right before the error. |
| 17:05.34 | brailsmt_ | i give up... |
| 17:05.43 | han_solo | is /usr/include/FL on your system? |
| 17:05.57 | han_solo | I have /usr/include/FL and /usr/include/Fl which is a link to it |
| 17:06.28 | han_solo | maybe you need to link the other way. |
| 17:06.40 | brailsmt_ | i have /usr/include/fltk-1.1/FL |
| 17:06.55 | han_solo | brailsmt_: if you give me an account on your box I'll look at it |
| 17:07.09 | han_solo | probably link that to /usr/include/FL, or change the makefile |
| 17:07.41 | brailsmt_ | i have -I/usr/include/fltk-1.1 on the cmd line to cc... |
| 17:08.03 | CosmicPenguin | Don't put the FL on the line |
| 17:08.31 | brailsmt_ | i'm not |
| 17:08.39 | han_solo | do you have /usr/include/fltk-1.1/FL/Fl.H? or just Fl.h? |
| 17:08.59 | han_solo | I have Fl.H and Fl.h is a link to it |
| 17:09.01 | brailsmt_ | both |
| 17:10.19 | han_solo | brailsmt_: if you want to give me an acct I'll try to get it to compile. having jumped through all the hoops before... |
| 17:11.47 | brailsmt_ | ok, the symlinks worked... *but* now widgets.cpp died... |
| 17:13.31 | brailsmt_ | i wonder how that would work (giving you an account on the laptop) |
| 17:13.55 | brailsmt_ | it goes through my desktop machine, so any connections would be to the desktp not the laptop... |
| 17:14.30 | han_solo | well, you could give me an account there too |
| 17:14.38 | han_solo | or port-forward |
| 17:15.10 | brailsmt_ | now it does't like this line " snapshots.push_back();" |
| 17:15.32 | brailsmt_ | i am not very impressed with csound so far... :| |
| 17:16.32 | han_solo | csound is not to be impressed with. Using it is like coding assembly. but since I've done the hard work (except for compilng apparently) it would be easy, and very nice. I could give you an acct on my machine to use it. |
| 17:16.43 | han_solo | of course you'd have to copy the file over to listen to it and all that hassle |
| 17:17.12 | han_solo | i'm thinking of writing a replacement |
| 17:17.23 | han_solo | with a good design and modular setup. maybe even in ruby |
| 17:17.39 | brailsmt_ | you use gcc 2.95? |
| 17:17.54 | brailsmt_ | i am using gcc3.2, i wonder if that is the difference... |
| 17:18.27 | brailsmt_ | maybe I will just use the pc spkr... |
| 17:18.32 | han_solo | 2.95.4 |
| 17:18.32 | han_solo | probably |
| 17:18.40 | han_solo | because that's an stl call |
| 17:18.49 | han_solo | gcc 3 is much more strict on namespaces |
| 17:19.04 | han_solo | often manifests itself in stl code |
| 17:19.22 | brailsmt_ | yeah, well ixnay on the oundcsay |
| 17:19.57 | brailsmt_ | i do have beep installed on my system. :) |
| 17:20.14 | han_solo | :) |
| 17:20.15 | brailsmt_ | Description: Beep, the advanced PC speaker beeper |
| 17:20.41 | brailsmt_ | i can specify Hz and length of beep... |
| 17:20.47 | han_solo | well anyway you have helped to make csound easier to compile for debian users |
| 17:20.52 | brailsmt_ | and the spec doesn't say that I can't use the spkr :) |
| 17:21.25 | brailsmt_ | glad to help, even though it is another distro... |
| 17:21.30 | han_solo | fun fun |
| 17:21.31 | brailsmt_ | i'll get over it... |
| 17:21.39 | han_solo | let me know if you need help with the Hz. |
| 17:21.46 | han_solo | it's not linear |
| 17:22.02 | brailsmt_ | han_solo: neither are the equations generating the numbers :) |
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| 17:25.59 | brailsmt_ | how nice... from man beep |
| 17:28.55 | han_solo | http://hans.fugal.net/sound/fuguecm.ogg |
| 17:32.52 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. seems nobody has questions for bruce eckel.. |
| 17:38.01 | brailsmt_ | s/stereo/mono |
| 17:38.02 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 17:38.11 | brailsmt_ | s/mono/pc spkr |
| 17:42.51 | brailsmt_ | oh yeah!!! |
| 17:43.10 | brailsmt_ | julia set are boring... :) |
| 17:44.48 | brailsmt_ | maybe I should try lorenz attractors... |
| 17:45.28 | han_solo | i just realized I haven't had breakfast. no wonder I don't want to do homework |
| 17:45.45 | brailsmt_ | that must be my problem!! |
| 17:46.03 | brailsmt_ | i rarely eat breakfast, and I rarely want to do homework... |
| 17:46.11 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 17:46.44 | levi | Even when I eat breakfast I don't want to do homework. |
| 17:47.08 | levi | You may have to look elsewhere for the source of that problem. ;) |
| 17:48.01 | han_solo | yay my burner is here! |
| 17:48.10 | brailsmt_ | that fast? |
| 17:48.53 | han_solo | $4 shipping and here on wednesday (but I wasn't here to pick it up) when ordered monday morning |
| 17:48.59 | han_solo | can't beat that |
| 17:49.25 | CosmicPenguin | What sort of burner (didn't I ask you that before?) |
| 17:50.00 | brailsmt_ | bunsen? |
| 17:50.28 | han_solo | cyberdrive cw0088d |
| 17:50.34 | han_solo | er cw088d |
| 17:50.47 | han_solo | 48x16x48 |
| 17:51.52 | han_solo | just cd, nt dvd |
| 17:52.47 | han_solo | fedex guy said he was 'busy' |
| 17:54.02 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 17:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | Not that we can play DVDs burned under Linux yet, but hey, its a start |
| 17:58.09 | brailsmt_ | sweet! lorenz attractors sound cool |
| 17:58.27 | brailsmt_ | even with the pc speaker... |
| 17:59.33 | han_solo | brailsmt_: can you email me the pitches and durations? |
| 18:00.49 | brailsmt_ | i am gonna still play around with it... |
| 18:01.13 | brailsmt_ | the durations are 0.01 sec :) |
| 18:01.39 | brailsmt_ | and the frequency is just the x position on the graph... |
| 18:02.26 | brailsmt_ | if I wanted to get really fancy I would use another fractal to determine the durations... |
| 18:02.38 | brailsmt_ | but since I don't want to get really fancy... |
| 18:02.40 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 18:02.59 | han_solo | :) |
| 18:03.43 | brailsmt_ | argh, what is the equiv of "default:" in ruby for a switch? |
| 18:05.01 | han_solo | else |
| 18:14.52 | Jayce^ | ok people, theasaurus/name a class time... |
| 18:15.39 | Jayce^ | what would you call a class/table that is a question that a person might have asked a helpdesk (might not be a question though)... |
| 18:15.57 | brailsmt_ | advice |
| 18:15.57 | Jayce^ | these objects grouped together might make 'issues' for the support desk and such.. |
| 18:16.02 | brailsmt_ | helpdeskhelp |
| 18:16.05 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 18:16.20 | brailsmt_ | then why not Issue? |
| 18:16.36 | Jayce^ | I was thinking tickets, but not sure that quite fits the whole of it.. |
| 18:16.49 | brailsmt_ | then you could have UnresolvedIssue and ResolvedIssue and NonIssue subclasses |
| 18:16.55 | Jayce^ | because an issue is a different class, that may contain 1 to many of these objects.. plus extra data.. |
| 18:17.13 | brailsmt_ | Report? |
| 18:17.34 | han_solo | IssueItem |
| 18:17.39 | Jayce^ | let's say 15 people write in saying that something isn't working for them... all 15 of thosue would be grouped together into an 'issue'.. |
| 18:18.01 | han_solo | Annoyance |
| 18:18.25 | brailsmt_ | Grievance |
| 18:18.36 | Jayce^ | item maybe... but an issue will have items that are not the objects submitted by the users.. since once you are in an issue, then you have support/developer things to add on.. |
| 18:18.36 | brailsmt_ | spelled right of course... |
| 18:19.05 | brailsmt_ | how about ClassNameThatICouldntThinkOf |
| 18:19.15 | Jayce^ | already got that one brailsmt_ :) |
| 18:19.20 | CosmicPenguin | Ticket has got to be the best |
| 18:19.21 | brailsmt_ | darn... |
| 18:19.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, I think ticket is best after all.. |
| 18:20.30 | han_solo | i agree |
| 18:20.45 | han_solo | that's the terminology we used at the church. we'd call the looneys to open a ticket |
| 18:21.34 | Jayce^ | I used ticket in the old version of this, but in a different manner.. this system is going to be much better.. |
| 18:22.02 | han_solo | i can feel the vibes yo |
| 18:24.14 | Jayce^ | so on a different note.. I'm using KDE on this box, with a dark background/light font.. I've tried to make my gnome apps use the best theme I can to work with that, but still, no theme's set everything with a dark background, and it makes it very difficult to work, since the font does go light.. |
| 18:27.36 | han_solo | patient: it hurts when I do this. doctor: then don't do that! |
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| 20:51.40 | brailsmt_ | if anyone has a pc spkr, ruby, beep, and are interested, then I can you send you some fractal "music" |
| 20:52.26 | neybar | bring it on... that must sound wierd. |
| 20:54.17 | brailsmt_ | it is... chaotic... :) |
| 20:56.27 | brailsmt_ | ok, 12.254.226.160/frac_music.rb and 12.254.226.160/lorenz_music.out |
| 20:57.04 | brailsmt_ | it is done on your pc spkr so it isn't high quality, but it is cool nevertheless, in a geeky, nerdish sort of way... :) |
| 20:57.36 | brailsmt_ | run it via "./frac_music.rb lorenz_music.out all" |
| 20:58.17 | brailsmt_ | that plays a montage of the (x, y, z) coordinates scaled various ways... |
| 20:58.33 | brailsmt_ | you can also specify x, y, or z instead of all... |
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| 21:44.48 | Jayce^ | wb HarleyPig.. |
| 21:46.03 | HarleyPig | thanks. |
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| 22:45.20 | han_solo | so there's a really nice bg in the digitalblasphemy.com free section that goes great with xsnow |
| 22:45.25 | han_solo | called valley2k |
| 22:50.49 | CosmicPenguin | Thats very cool looking |
| 22:51.47 | Jayce^ | that is a great one.. |
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| 22:56.53 | han_solo | be sure to start xsnow with -notrees |
| 22:57.02 | han_solo | there's trees already. ;-) |
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| 23:31.44 | CosmicPenguin | THat valley just doesn't look good centered on the screen |
| 23:39.00 | han_solo | looks great stretched |
| 23:39.30 | han_solo | even to 1280x1024, which isn't quite the aspect ratio of the original |
| 23:39.55 | han_solo | now I just need a christmas xmms skin |
| 23:40.41 | CosmicPenguin | heh - my FVWM image processor really doesn't know how to handle that image... :) |
| 23:59.17 | CosmicPenguin | later, later, later |