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| 11:16.33 | Jayce^ | ok, I'm trying to do X forwarding through ssh.. if I go from the one machine forwarding to my laptop it works, but if I try doing it through my gateway (in the middle) it says it can't find the display.. any ideas? |
| 11:16.41 | Jayce^ | I'm using ssh -X to connect.. |
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| 11:43.53 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: is the gateway blocking X traffic? |
| 11:44.02 | Jayce^ | shouldn't be... |
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| 13:30.20 | han_solo | that does it. it's time to set up some sort of smtp auth so I can use my server to send mail. |
| 13:30.51 | han_solo | can anybody tell me what exactly the smtp server didn't like? hans@fugal.net |
| 13:30.51 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.51 | han_solo | +SIZE=2008: |
| 13:30.51 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.51 | han_solo | +return address not allowed |
| 13:31.11 | han_solo | $ host falcon.fugal.net |
| 13:31.11 | han_solo | falcon.fugal.net is an alias for andreas.fugal.net. |
| 13:31.11 | han_solo | andreas.fugal.net has address 209.210.58.42 |
| 13:35.39 | Jayce^ | not sure |
| 13:37.38 | CosmicPenguin | when you do the host, you're on the internal BYU network? |
| 13:38.49 | han_solo | yeah |
| 13:39.09 | han_solo | but that doesn't mean too much. the email server might have different dns settings. for that matter I might have different dns settings |
| 13:47.07 | CosmicPenguin | True |
| 13:47.44 | CosmicPenguin | Can you get to email.byu.edu from where you are? |
| 13:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | When it says - host email.byu.edu and then it says invalid/host-not-in-DNS - thats implys that email.byu.edu isn't in the DNS |
| 13:49.02 | CosmicPenguin | Try to telnet into the mail server by hand and do some experimenting |
| 13:49.28 | CosmicPenguin | Try some MAIL FROM: statements from known hosts, and try some from obviously fake hosts (baz@foo.bar) |
| 13:55.23 | han_solo | oh, could it be coming from another mail server? (this is headed for another mail server beyond email.byu.edu) |
| 13:57.54 | CosmicPenguin | possibly |
| 13:59.37 | han_solo | mail from: fugalh@falcon.fugal.net |
| 13:59.38 | han_solo | 250 2.5.0 Address Ok. |
| 13:59.38 | han_solo | rcpt to: hans@fugal.net |
| 13:59.38 | han_solo | 250 2.1.5 hans@fugal.net OK. |
| 13:59.38 | han_solo | data |
| 13:59.39 | han_solo | 354 Enter mail, end with a single ".". |
| 13:59.40 | han_solo | hmmmm |
| 13:59.42 | han_solo | . |
| 13:59.44 | han_solo | 250 2.5.0 Ok. |
| 14:00.44 | han_solo | mail from: baz@foo.bar |
| 14:00.45 | han_solo | 550 5.1.8 invalid/host-not-in-DNS return address not allowed |
| 14:01.53 | han_solo | strange. I can't seem to duplicate. |
| 14:01.54 | CosmicPenguin | Thats to be expected |
| 14:08.48 | CosmicPenguin | SMTP servers are an odd bunch |
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| 15:06.00 | Jayce^ | anybody looking for scsi drives? |
| 15:06.13 | Jayce^ | Buy.com has some good clearance deals on IBM Ultrastar SCSI drives. Limited quantities. 9.1GB 10K 36LZX $59.95. 18.2GB $86.95 |
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| 18:05.57 | Jayce^ | hey HarleyPig.. |
| 18:06.03 | HarleyPig | 'lo |
| 18:06.18 | Jayce^ | how's it going? |
| 18:06.46 | Jayce^ | you missed the comdex sourcemage dinner |
| 18:07.36 | HarleyPig | I heard about that ... how was it? |
| 18:07.54 | Jayce^ | good |
| 18:07.55 | HarleyPig | BTW, you know of any gawk related resources? |
| 18:08.09 | Jayce^ | uhh, there's an awk book |
| 18:08.12 | Jayce^ | why fer? |
| 18:09.01 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to set up an installation batch file for our dialer, and I'm reduced to using gawk.exe for a number of things. |
| 18:09.26 | Jayce^ | ouch.. |
| 18:10.00 | HarleyPig | Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to do something like ver | gawk "/[Version (\d).*$/ { system(\"regedit /s ok_$1.reg\") }" |
| 18:10.20 | HarleyPig | Except that () doesn't seem to work in gawk and $1 is the first field in the output of ver. |
| 18:11.30 | Jayce^ | I'll take a look at it when I get back, gotta give garion a bath first.. |
| 18:11.37 | Jayce^ | you going to be online for a while? |
| 18:11.38 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 18:11.44 | HarleyPig | Till about 8 or so. |
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| 18:35.28 | Jayce^ | man, it's been a long time since I've done gawk, and all my books with it are loaned out.. |
| 18:37.33 | HarleyPig | :] Ain't that the way of it! |
| 18:39.35 | Jayce^ | so basically, you want to grep out the version number from a --version type dump, then perform a system command updating a registry key with that value.. |
| 18:39.44 | Jayce^ | now which part isn't working? |
| 18:45.36 | HarleyPig | getting the version number into a variable. |
| 18:46.19 | HarleyPig | I can detect the version number by doing separate checks for each version, but that's clunky, plus on a winblows system ver takes 3 seconds to load (why?) and gawk takes another 3 or so. |
| 18:47.06 | HarleyPig | I have to check for 4 different versions (cause windows requires a slightly different construct for each version). |
| 18:47.25 | HarleyPig | That's 24 seconds the user is just sitting there wondering what the heck is goind on. |
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| 19:42.56 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: thats what splash screens are for... |
| 19:42.58 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:43.16 | brailsmt | they work better if you flash up text about what is happening faster than ppl can read... |
| 19:44.33 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 19:45.01 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but 30 seconds? Our demographic isn't that patient. |
| 19:45.30 | Jayce^ | so make the screen have an animation.. make it say something about checking the system |
| 19:45.44 | brailsmt | for...uhmmm...consistency, yeah |
| 19:46.26 | HarleyPig | Dunno how to do that. Furthermore, this is as close to winblows as I want to get. |
| 19:46.41 | HarleyPig | If they want that, I'll tell our designer he can come up with something. |
| 19:46.57 | HarleyPig | Could probably do a self-contained flash file I guess ... |
| 19:47.22 | HarleyPig | But I want to know how to do this for my own curiosity ... and self-satisfaction. |
| 19:47.48 | brailsmt | i know almost nothing about windows, osrry i can' help... |
| 19:48.02 | brailsmt | or type... |
| 19:48.03 | HarleyPig | This is gawk. |
| 19:48.19 | brailsmt | is it working on large files? |
| 19:48.23 | HarleyPig | (admittedly, gawk.exe) |
| 19:48.25 | HarleyPig | Nope ... |
| 19:48.38 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to capture the os version via the ver command. |
| 19:48.47 | HarleyPig | ver | gawk "program" |
| 19:48.47 | brailsmt | how'd you get the 3 second figure? have you run a trivial script? |
| 19:48.56 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... |
| 19:49.00 | brailsmt | ... |
| 19:49.06 | brailsmt | windows pipes suck... |
| 19:49.10 | HarleyPig | I've already got it working ... but I have to check 4 different times. |
| 19:49.21 | brailsmt | my guess is that the problem is with the pipe... |
| 19:49.24 | HarleyPig | And it's 3 seconds for ver and 3 seconds for gawk. |
| 19:49.40 | HarleyPig | This timing is wall clock ... winblows has no time function that I'm aware of. |
| 19:49.57 | brailsmt | can you load the output of ver into a var? that'll cut out 9 seconds (3 calls to ver * 3 secs) |
| 19:50.27 | brailsmt | why not use grep? |
| 19:50.32 | HarleyPig | I'm not sure ... there are no backticks. |
| 19:50.38 | HarleyPig | grep gives me the whole line. |
| 19:50.52 | brailsmt | is sed faster? |
| 19:51.28 | HarleyPig | *shrug* Dunno ... but I'm already using gawk for another purpose in the installation batch. |
| 19:51.38 | HarleyPig | I'd rather not fill up the download with too much stuff. |
| 19:51.47 | brailsmt | can you store a file with the version in it? |
| 19:52.14 | HarleyPig | I can do echo. | ver > version but I don't know how to read it in. |
| 19:52.29 | HarleyPig | gawk "program" version doesn't work |
| 19:52.35 | HarleyPig | nor does gawk "program" < version |
| 19:52.39 | brailsmt | what language? |
| 19:52.43 | HarleyPig | awk |
| 19:52.52 | HarleyPig | This is gnu's awk. |
| 19:53.06 | brailsmt | you are doing an install with awk? |
| 19:53.26 | HarleyPig | Sort of. I'm making a customized download for a dialer. |
| 19:53.38 | brailsmt | i mean is it batch files? |
| 19:53.42 | HarleyPig | Yeah. |
| 19:54.01 | brailsmt | you can store the output of shell commands into a var... |
| 19:54.06 | HarleyPig | But you can't load a file into a batch file that I know of. |
| 19:54.12 | HarleyPig | How? |
| 19:54.12 | brailsmt | at least if i remember right |
| 19:54.31 | HarleyPig | set var=ver just sets $var to 'ver' |
| 19:54.36 | HarleyPig | There are no backticks. |
| 19:54.38 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: it has been 2 years since i last did anything with .bat |
| 19:54.43 | HarleyPig | Same here. |
| 19:56.32 | brailsmt | beats me... ship it with a scripting language... |
| 19:56.37 | brailsmt | :| |
| 19:57.29 | HarleyPig | Hah! |
| 19:58.25 | HarleyPig | I'm already at 3 times the size of the dialer (I've got to include a process lister, a process killer and gawk, as well as various supplemental executables. And the only thing that's being installed is a 500K dialer. |
| 19:58.46 | HarleyPig | And that's a compressed file. |
| 20:00.10 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: well you can compile a perl script... i don't know if it can then be run without perl on the system, but if it is the case that you don't need perl to run a compiled perl program, than I bet you can do away with alot of the other programs you have to include... |
| 20:00.53 | HarleyPig | The freeware perlcc's are unreliable and the activestate perlcc is priced rather prohibitively. |
| 20:01.34 | HarleyPig | Bugger. Why is this so difficult. The more I work with winblows again, the more I like unix. |
| 20:03.03 | brailsmt | well with awk, can't you search for more than one thing? maybe you could combine the three calls to gawk with one... and then return some code to tell you what it found... |
| 20:03.27 | brailsmt | i seem to remember that you can specify command based upon the regex matched... |
| 20:04.13 | brailsmt | yes you can |
| 20:06.08 | brailsmt | you can have an awk script of the form "pattern1 {commands} ... patternN {commands}" |
| 20:06.30 | brailsmt | maybe that could allow you to do all te processing you need with one call to awk... |
| 20:07.04 | HarleyPig | Hmm ... I didn't see that in the docs ... |
| 20:07.08 | HarleyPig | so, something like |
| 20:08.05 | HarleyPig | ver | gawk "/Version 5.*/ { system(\"regedit /s ok_5.reg\") } /Version 6.*/ { system(\"regedit /s ok_6.reg\")}" |
| 20:08.11 | HarleyPig | I'll check into that. Thanks. |
| 20:08.19 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.23 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.27 | brailsmt | from man gawk |
| 20:08.59 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 20:09.02 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... I've been looking on the html documentation ... didn't think to look at man ... |
| 20:09.09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:09.23 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:09.43 | brailsmt | and sometimes i die horribly |
| 20:10.26 | HarleyPig | :/ I do too ... but since I was working on windows I didn't think about it. |
| 20:11.40 | brailsmt | i hate how windows does that to you... its like i am an invader on alien soil whenever i try to use windows... |
| 20:22.25 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: you know with gawk you can open and close files and it has its own set of functions and stuff... maybe you could write the whole thing in gawk, and limit the installer to your app + gawk... |
| 20:23.20 | HarleyPig | Only if there is a way to list and kill processes in windows generically. |
| 20:23.44 | HarleyPig | The dialer demands all occurrences of iexplore and netscape be closed before it'll install. |
| 20:25.07 | brailsmt | there is the system() cmd... i don't know if win has something like kill or killall though |
| 20:26.15 | HarleyPig | Not built in ... but they have tlist (a ps type app) and kill (same as kill in unix). |
| 20:26.34 | HarleyPig | I'm already using gawk for the tlist and kill processes. |
| 20:27.30 | brailsmt | well, i hope you can get it working... hope i was helpful |
| 20:27.42 | HarleyPig | That's actually what I'm aiming for, but if I can't dump the output of a command to a variable then I'm at a standstill. |
| 20:27.46 | HarleyPig | You were. Thanks. |
| 20:35.09 | Jayce^ | so perlcc isnt' working for you? |
| 20:36.33 | HarleyPig | It doesn't seem to work well on Windows ME or Windows CE, and it just plain doesn't work on XP. |
| 20:36.49 | HarleyPig | Uh ... the other way around. |
| 20:37.02 | HarleyPig | It doesn't work reliably on XP, it just doesn't work on ME or CE |
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| 20:44.57 | brailsmt | there and back again |
| 20:44.59 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:45.46 | Jayce^ | CE? jeez.. |
| 20:45.56 | Jayce^ | a bradipo story? |
| 21:17.34 | HarleyPig | ? |
| 21:17.47 | Bradipo | A bradipo story? |
| 21:18.13 | Bradipo | I get it now... |
| 21:18.20 | Bradipo | NickServ enforcer. |
| 21:26.17 | HarleyPig | Well, I'm off to catch my bus ... have a good night. |
| 21:44.41 | Jayce^ | later |
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