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| 08:47.37 | han_solo | cvs doesn't preserve permissions? |
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| 09:17.38 | han_solo | ibot, mutt? |
| 09:17.38 | | i guess mutt is the client of choice for now I think. althea for IMAP. |
| 09:17.51 | han_solo | imap, althea? |
| 09:17.54 | han_solo | er, |
| 09:17.59 | han_solo | ibot, althea? |
| 09:17.59 | | han_solo: I give up, what is it? |
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| 09:53.54 | Jayce^ | neybar: you missed a good one.. |
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| 10:00.41 | Jayce^ | if there is one... and you aren't using any special handlers.. |
| 10:00.52 | han_solo | nothing special |
| 10:00.57 | han_solo | HEADER.txt works fine |
| 10:01.05 | han_solo | but README.txt doesn't |
| 10:01.08 | Jayce^ | URL? |
| 10:01.18 | han_solo | http://hans.fugal.net/mutt |
| 10:01.32 | han_solo | the readme is a symlink to README which doesn't show up |
| 10:01.46 | han_solo | copying or symlinking README to README.txt or README.html seems to do nothing |
| 10:02.12 | han_solo | but symlinking README to HEADER.txt seems to work fine. |
| 10:02.27 | Jayce^ | and you're not using a mod_dir? type module with any settings? |
| 10:03.40 | han_solo | well, looks like: |
| 10:03.42 | han_solo | <IfModule mod_dir.c> |
| 10:03.44 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.44 | han_solo | tml index.php3 |
| 10:03.44 | han_solo | </IfModule> |
| 10:04.25 | neybar | so how was plug? |
| 10:04.36 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.38 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.26 | han_solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.37 | Jayce^ | neybar, real good.. |
| 10:05.42 | Jayce^ | my key is now signed :) |
| 10:05.45 | han_solo | (I took out README, but haven't restarted the server) |
| 10:05.48 | han_solo | mine too :) |
| 10:06.08 | neybar | is Tim going to post notes online? |
| 10:06.21 | Jayce^ | dunno... |
| 10:06.25 | han_solo | i don't think he had notes. :) |
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| 10:06.43 | Jayce^ | maybe if you bring your key sometime, I'll sign it :) |
| 10:06.49 | Jayce^ | speak of the devil.. |
| 10:13.22 | han_solo | ibot, devil? |
| 10:13.22 | | <Kathie Lee Gifford> I've come for han_solo 's sole |
| 10:13.48 | han_solo | ibot, you never cease to amaze me. |
| 10:13.49 | | han_solo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:13.52 | han_solo | ibot, eliza? |
| 10:13.52 | | i guess eliza is a great psychiatrist and a cousin of mine. |
| 10:37.46 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. any way to do a recv-keys on all people who have signed your key? |
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| 10:44.29 | han_solo | yeah, write a script in ruby ;-) |
| 10:48.01 | Jayce^ | bah.. |
| 10:48.06 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: where you been? |
| 10:48.12 | Jayce^ | tried stopping by your place last night.. |
| 10:48.17 | han_solo | :) |
| 10:49.03 | HarleyPig | Suzanne went into the hospital early monday morning for very heavy spotting. |
| 10:49.12 | HarleyPig | She's fine now, but it was a scary couple of days. |
| 10:49.36 | HarleyPig | I was working last night to make up for Monday and Tuesday. |
| 10:50.20 | HarleyPig | Plus, I was just able to compile xchat yesterday morning. Gaim still gives me a coredump on startup. |
| 10:50.38 | Jayce^ | heh.. I can't get the latest gaim to compile.. |
| 10:50.48 | Jayce^ | you missed a good one last night.. |
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| 10:51.57 | HarleyPig | They're all good! Are we going to be signing everything now? |
| 10:52.06 | Jayce^ | the smart ones are... |
| 10:52.24 | Jayce^ | too bad nobody here believes you are who you say you are... and definately doesn't trust you.. |
| 10:52.31 | han_solo | if we start signing things, we can't weasel out of anything we say |
| 10:53.03 | HarleyPig | That's all right ... I don't want anyone to know I'm really an Erwin like AI on HP's desktop. |
| 10:53.27 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: you wish... more like stef :) |
| 10:53.34 | Jayce^ | "stef fell in the lava again" |
| 10:53.38 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 10:54.47 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: got the new TPJ compilation book yesterday :) |
| 10:55.21 | HarleyPig | *sigh* o/~ Money makes the world go round ... o/~ |
| 10:56.55 | Jayce^ | money?? free :) it's o'reilly :) |
| 10:57.05 | Jayce^ | oh the joys of doing reviews.. |
| 11:05.14 | Jayce^ | so HarleyPig, you get twinview working right? |
| 11:05.49 | HarleyPig | Nope. People keep insisting it's a ... crap ... can't remember the word. |
| 11:05.53 | HarleyPig | Timing? |
| 11:06.06 | Jayce^ | oh? maybe just with that monitor.. |
| 11:06.47 | Jayce^ | what resolutions are you trying? (one is a 19" the other a 15" right? |
| 11:06.57 | HarleyPig | I think it's a pebcak issue. |
| 11:07.03 | HarleyPig | No, 19" and 17" |
| 11:07.06 | Jayce^ | probably, knowing you :) |
| 11:07.18 | HarleyPig | :P |
| 11:07.25 | Jayce^ | k, same as mine.. I can't run my 19" at it's highest resolution in twinview.. |
| 11:07.38 | Jayce^ | have to go down to 1600x1200 :) |
| 11:07.38 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but I've tried 800x600 |
| 11:07.55 | Jayce^ | ugh |
| 11:08.01 | HarleyPig | Even the one below that ... ummm ... 640x480. |
| 11:08.29 | HarleyPig | If I switch the monitors, the other one works fine in the main plug also. |
| 11:08.46 | HarleyPig | Umm ... that was a little confused. |
| 11:08.46 | Jayce^ | maybe it's the DV adaptor? |
| 11:09.02 | HarleyPig | I'm beginning to wonder. Or even the port itself. |
| 11:09.09 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 11:12.44 | Jayce^ | ibot: up |
| 11:12.44 | | Replacement program for uptime.. URL: http://www.burdell.org/up.php3 |
| 11:12.55 | Jayce^ | dangit.. |
| 11:13.29 | Jayce^ | ibot: up is a vector directed outward from the center of a mass (perpendicularly with respect to the surface of a sphere of equivalent mass with the same center),the perception of such a system |
| 11:13.29 | | ...but up is already something else... |
| 11:13.37 | Jayce^ | ibot: up is also a vector directed outward from the center of a mass (perpendicularly with respect to the surface of a sphere of equivalent mass with the same center),the perception of such a system |
| 11:13.37 | | okay, Jayce^ |
| 11:13.42 | Jayce^ | ibot: up |
| 11:13.42 | | Replacement program for uptime.. URL: http://www.burdell.org/up.php3 |
| 11:13.53 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 11:15.44 | HarleyPig | http://indymedia.no/uploads/this_man_is_about_to_start_a_war.jpg |
| 11:16.40 | Jayce^ | heh.. what a picture |
| 11:36.55 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 11:38.31 | BZFlag | I didn't ask Rick Segeberg for ID. does anyone know him? |
| 11:38.47 | Jayce^ | yeah, he was sitting across from me last night.. |
| 11:38.58 | Jayce^ | his second plug meeting I believe. |
| 11:39.34 | Jayce^ | he's the one we had trouble signing because it said it was created today (said that yesterday) |
| 11:40.43 | han_solo | i met him as well |
| 11:42.45 | BZFlag | ok, signed and uploaded. |
| 11:43.53 | BZFlag | gpg: key 6A356EA5: public key "Evan McNabb <emcnabb@cs.byu.edu>" imported ? |
| 11:45.22 | Jayce^ | evan was sitting next to byron.. waited until he got home to create his key.. |
| 11:52.27 | BZFlag | oh, yeah. |
| 11:55.49 | han_solo | BZFlag looks fun. wish I had a good video card |
| 12:15.31 | Jayce^ | doesn't HarleyPig still have his old tnt2 ? |
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| 12:16.23 | thekernel | Hey,I'm trying to use libefence and I forgot how to make use of it in GDB |
| 12:17.55 | Jayce^ | no idea |
| 12:23.31 | thekernel | Ok, so there wasn't a way that I could tell GDB that I wanted the libefence functions over the libc? |
| 12:23.41 | thekernel | Only in GDB that is... |
| 12:24.48 | CosmicPenguin | it automatically takes em over |
| 12:25.17 | thekernel | I mean without doing the -lefence... I guess I just have a convenient memory... |
| 12:26.02 | CosmicPenguin | Ohh.... |
| 12:26.03 | CosmicPenguin | I see |
| 12:26.24 | thekernel | I thought that's how I had it configured last year... |
| 12:26.46 | CosmicPenguin | 'load' doesn't work? |
| 12:27.10 | thekernel | perhaps that's what I need... |
| 12:27.46 | thekernel | Well, it's fixed now anyway... |
| 12:27.51 | Jayce^ | grr.. anybody know a fast knoppix mirror? I'm getting 5k off the US one. |
| 12:28.37 | thekernel | ret = malloc(sizeof(buff)) was wrong... It was supposed to be malloc(sizeof(buff)+1); The strcpy on the next line was going over and killing malloc randomly |
| 12:28.47 | thekernel | on a later execution of malloc that is. |
| 12:29.20 | thekernel | That even took care of the exit segfault :) |
| 12:30.46 | Jayce^ | oohh, now 2.5k |
| 12:33.34 | thekernel | Well, I'm going to run out... Thanks for your help Cosmic |
| 12:35.54 | han_solo | 12ik<esc> |
| 12:38.13 | Jayce^ | ahh, found a canadian mirror that's fast.. |
| 12:38.24 | Jayce^ | 171 kB/s |
| 12:47.28 | han_solo | i'd like to set up a procmail filter that replaces the To: header, would that be hard? |
| 12:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: like you want to redirect it? |
| 12:48.48 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, make it *look* like you redirected it? |
| 12:49.47 | han_solo | both |
| 12:50.27 | han_solo | my brother can use email on his mission, but only through this one site |
| 12:50.55 | han_solo | they do various things, including reject email that has multiple recipients, or isn't specifically to one of their accounts. |
| 12:51.18 | han_solo | so /etc/aliases don't work |
| 12:51.44 | han_solo | wow, mozilla now has bayesian email filtering built in for spam |
| 12:52.47 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: formail is your friend then |
| 12:55.48 | han_solo | think it'd be easier to set up formail than memorize his wacky email address? (it's wacky) |
| 14:33.30 | HarleyPig | Does anyone know of a way to run a perl script in winbloze as a privileged user? |
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| 14:37.42 | Bonez39 | any palm users here today? |
| 14:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | format c: |
| 14:38.29 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 14:38.37 | HarleyPig | fdisk /mbr |
| 14:38.58 | Jayce^ | install windows (amounts to the same thing :) |
| 14:39.35 | HarleyPig | ? It's all read on a windoze box ... I can't get a program to remember it's settings so I can automate something. |
| 14:39.55 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: slashdot |
| 14:40.19 | CosmicPenguin | Using Your Own Name May Be Infringement, Part 2: from the life-imitates-office-space dept... :) |
| 14:50.43 | Jayce^ | anybody looking for a job doing windows development? |
| 14:53.14 | BZFlag | Jayce^: somebody is, but not me. |
| 14:53.52 | HarleyPig | Only those who can't develop on *n*x |
| 14:53.59 | Jayce^ | I just got two leads from a friend at myfamily.. both are quite heavy micrsoft based positions.. |
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| 15:08.58 | *** topic/#utah is http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/User_Groups/North_America/United_States/Utah/ || keysigning 7:30 tonight at PLUG || gpg --fingerprint <ID> | mail -s "fingerprint" jason@plug.org |
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| 15:14.59 | CosmicPenguin | Question - I have files spread all over my hard drive, and I want to write them to CD for storage |
| 15:15.16 | CosmicPenguin | Is there any way I can make the ISOFS without having to copy 700 MB of files to a single directory? |
| 15:15.39 | HarleyPig | Make a tempfs. |
| 15:15.52 | HarleyPig | or a ram disk in old dos terms. |
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| 15:19.45 | CosmicPenguin | HarleyPig: yeah, that seems like the only option - of course, I don't really have that much memory... :) |
| 15:19.57 | Jayce^ | swap... :) |
| 15:20.42 | HarleyPig | But that would mean using space on the hard drive, which is what he didn't want to do. |
| 15:20.58 | HarleyPig | Although, it'd probably be easier on your filesystem. |
| 15:21.04 | CosmicPenguin | To be honest with you, I really don't have that much swap either |
| 15:21.23 | CosmicPenguin | no worries, I'll do the copy... my IDE bus needs exercising anyway |
| 15:22.15 | HarleyPig | You can always create a temp swap file. |
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| 15:36.51 | Jayce^ | wb neybar.. |
| 15:37.01 | neybar | tnx |
| 15:37.54 | Jayce^ | where you been all day? |
| 15:38.23 | neybar | I've been here, I wasn't online for about an hour though |
| 15:38.35 | neybar | little more maybe |
| 15:38.47 | Jayce^ | yeah, a bit more.. :) |
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| 15:47.51 | Bonez39 | any Win4Lin users here today? |
| 15:48.22 | Jayce^ | haven't used it in about 3 years.. |
| 15:48.47 | Bonez39 | ah, I tweaked a color depth setting and now windows won't load for me |
| 15:49.06 | CosmicPenguin | imagine that |
| 15:49.24 | Bonez39 | tells me...Can not start another session from the same location |
| 15:53.39 | Bonez39 | so, no ideas on this...right? |
| 15:53.47 | Jayce^ | nope |
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| 15:55.47 | Bonez39 | hi kernel |
| 15:59.54 | Jayce^ | new poll on plug.org |
| 16:03.33 | thekernel | Hi |
| 16:05.46 | neybar | voted... |
| 16:06.05 | neybar | too bad my smgl box isn't running. |
| 16:06.49 | Jayce^ | heh.. actually, my smgl gateway has a very large kernel, but I put everything in there (few modules), including three different NIC drivers.. |
| 16:14.25 | neybar | can't be worse then a mandrake image. |
| 16:15.31 | HarleyPig | Mines 1M ... sheesh ... that's a big sucker. |
| 16:16.57 | Jayce^ | befitting :) |
| 16:17.13 | Jayce^ | neybar: oh yes it can.. 1.2 mb |
| 16:17.47 | Jayce^ | it's the NIC drivers that make the big difference.. |
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| 18:18.32 | Mecworks | Anyone know when sourceforge will be back online? |
| 18:19.45 | Mecworks | I think sourceforge is a "single point of failure" for 95% of the OpenSource world. |
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| 19:02.32 | thekernel | Anyone around? |
| 19:05.10 | thekernel | BZFlag: can you think of any tools to help find out how a stack is getting trashed? |
| 19:06.25 | thekernel | I'm already using efence... |
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| 19:41.05 | byron | howdy all |
| 20:17.46 | Jayce^ | hey byron |
| 20:18.04 | byron | what's up? |
| 20:18.11 | Jayce^ | giving my kid a bath |
| 20:18.41 | byron | we're having a cool meeting about gtk+ |
| 20:18.49 | Jayce^ | yeah, looked interesting.. |
| 20:19.11 | Jayce^ | was playing with gtk the other day, but coudlnt' get the tree's to work right.. |
| 20:19.38 | byron | if you want to listen in we have a live audio stream |
| 20:19.50 | Jayce^ | cant', about to move the kid over to bed.. |
| 20:20.01 | Jayce^ | probably wouldn't put him to sleep :) |
| 20:20.19 | byron | true |
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| 21:52.27 | BZFlag | uug still in progress then? |
| 21:52.34 | *** topic/#Utah by BZFlag -> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/User_Groups/North_America/United_States/Utah/ |
| 21:53.46 | bbeattie | BZFlag: are you around? |
| 21:53.50 | BZFlag | bbeattie: yepper |
| 21:55.27 | bbeattie | Myself and one other person have been getting extremely low transfer rates, such as 20 bytes a second average over a usb scp/ftp. We both have ext2 fs's for our SD cards. Overall, it is about 20 megs an hour, but under qtopia, we both could get 10 megs or more a minute, (We're both using OZ now) Have you heard of any reports of this sort before? It could be something specific to a ext2 FS on the SD. |
| 21:57.15 | bbeattie | BZFlag: We get initial data transfers of 180-1600k in the first seconds, but then the transfer cuts down to the low rates after that initial burst. I am running it console, no opie, so it would have to be the scp server, or the SD driver I'd guess, but maybe something else too. |
| 21:57.28 | bbeattie | 180k-1600k |
| 21:57.59 | bbeattie | BZFlag: then we get 70k or so bursts at constant intervals after that. |
| 21:58.21 | bbeattie | BZFlag: intervals at around 20 seconds, |
| 21:59.37 | bbeattie | BZFlag: but anyway, I have 4 scp's going, all get 71k bursts every 20seconds or so. |
| 22:02.36 | BZFlag | wierd. I have not seen that. |
| 22:03.23 | BZFlag | I don't think kergoth has tested the usb code much in OZ. I'd say reinstall a sharp image and see if you get the same problem there. if not we have some kernel bug to track down. |
| 22:04.28 | bbeattie | BZFlag: Never had problems with Sharp Rom, only started when I began using the OZ rom,.. I don't really want to go back to the sharp rom, I've spent a lot of time getting things perfected..:-/ |
| 22:04.54 | BZFlag | backup what you have now, reflashing it should be easy. |
| 22:04.56 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I'd format my SD as vfat before I did the ROM :-) |
| 22:05.29 | BZFlag | do you get the same issue if you transfer in the other direction? |
| 22:05.39 | BZFlag | and does this other user have the same card? |
| 22:05.57 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I've tried push and pull, Oh, I get full speed transfering to RAM, |
| 22:06.31 | bbeattie | It's just going to SD that has problems, and noda was saying he had same problems, and working on it now, but we both have SD/ext2, I need to find someone with SD/vfat and see if they have the same problems. |
| 22:07.41 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I have to still test SD<->Ram, but I need to get a bunch of music on it before I go to sleep, I have 3 hours of waiting for seats for a movie tomorrow, and need something to do. |
| 22:09.08 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I'll check sd<->ram copies tonight/tomorrow, and SD that's non-ext2 - and let you know, that should either result in showing it's any SD transfer, or SD/ext2, or SD/ext2/network transfer. |
| 22:12.10 | BZFlag | try extracting the sd modules from a current sharp rom and replacing the ones in OZ. |
| 22:12.33 | BZFlag | oh... back up the old ones first in case the new ones don't load. ;-) |
| 22:14.11 | bbeattie | BZFlag: one thing I have tested is read atleast, which works as well as default rom's read rate. |
| 22:17.49 | BZFlag | hmmm |
| 22:24.00 | bbeattie | BZFlag: found it, |
| 22:24.28 | bbeattie | BZFlag: transfering from SD->Ram does > 1M/s, but Ram->SD is moving at about 10k/s |
| 22:24.57 | bbeattie | BZFlag: 106K/Minute |
| 22:25.24 | bbeattie | BZFlag: that would be a write bug with the SD module, correct? |
| 22:33.24 | BZFlag | http://guest:guest@rikers.org:8000/ |
| 22:33.38 | BZFlag | yep. I suspect that newer SD modules will fix it. |
| 22:40.24 | bbeattie | BZFlag: kergoth said others have reported slow CF issues if it's an ext2 FS |
| 22:41.29 | bbeattie | BZFlag: connection refused on that port. |
| 22:42.28 | BZFlag | just killed the port forward. headed to bed. |
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