| 14:09.10 | Jayce^ | BZFlag: I'm getting an email ready to announce the discussion, how do you want me to say what you will present? |
| 14:09.44 | Jayce^ | Obviously mention the key-signing, but maybe say things about PGP/GPG? any specifics they should have ready, or expect to learn? |
| 14:21.37 | BZFlag | well if we are going to have a keysigning, folks should be mailing thier keys to someone central. |
| 14:21.50 | Jayce^ | ok... |
| 14:22.09 | Jayce^ | we should give some instructions for that then.. |
| 14:22.10 | BZFlag | there will be internet access there? wireless? so folks that want to participate live can bring laptops if they wish. |
| 14:22.31 | Jayce^ | yeah, wireless, and there is at least one wired jack if we bring a hub.. |
| 14:22.51 | Jayce^ | wireless with dhcp :) |
| 14:24.40 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 14:30.41 | Jayce^ | do you want to make the announcement, and give instructions? or just send some notes you want me to post about it, and I'll send it out.. |
| 15:58.40 | han_solo | ibot, yo |
| 15:58.40 | | wish i knew, han_solo |
| 15:59.14 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo |
| 15:59.30 | Jayce^ | I saw your question on saturday, what did you want to know about perl & XML ? |
| 16:00.37 | han_solo | oh, just which of the myriad of xml modules you used |
| 16:00.46 | han_solo | I settled (for the day) on XML::GDOME |
| 16:00.54 | Jayce^ | haven't used that one :) |
| 16:01.14 | han_solo | (doing DOM stuff) I swear I must be the only person in perldom that wants to create an xml document from scratch programatically |
| 16:01.27 | Jayce^ | for me it depends on what I'm doing.. |
| 16:01.38 | Jayce^ | heh.. now, you check out like XML::Writer? |
| 16:01.58 | Jayce^ | I've got two Perl & XML books here if you want to read one (still have to review one of them, just came out) |
| 16:02.14 | han_solo | Ooh, which one? |
| 16:02.30 | Jayce^ | the New Riders one, just came out, I have and already reviewd the O'Reilly one.. |
| 16:02.38 | han_solo | most modules seem to focus on parsing or writing out data structures in xml format. I wanted a DOM implementation. |
| 16:02.58 | han_solo | that might be handy. |
| 16:03.08 | Jayce^ | might.. |
| 16:03.34 | han_solo | what I was doing, is taking a gedcom file (with the Gedcom module, it's great!) and writing out an xml file (an intermediate format for work, nothing general or standard) |
| 16:03.35 | Jayce^ | a lot of the XML packages are also just interfaces to C libs, like expat, so what they do is based on that.. |
| 16:04.03 | han_solo | took about three hours, including brushing up on my perl when needed. |
| 16:04.12 | Jayce^ | ahh.. I haven't done too much writing myself.. most of the times I've needed that, I've used an XML template for a specific purpose.. |
| 16:04.16 | han_solo | and finding an xml module |
| 16:05.20 | Jayce^ | looking at the new riders book, Ch. 5 : Generating XML docs from text file... Ch. 6 is from databases, Ch. 7 : from misc data formats.. |
| 16:06.23 | han_solo | i was pleased with the GDOME implementation. it's a wrapper to some gnome lib that I had to install, but the damage is done now. :) |
| 16:06.25 | Jayce^ | first examples in that last chapter show converting from Excel to XML via a built module.. then uses that to show you how to write your own SAX events.. |
| 16:26.44 | han_solo | curse word |
| 16:30.01 | Jayce^ | word? the nefarious application? |
| 16:31.47 | han_solo | yes |
| 16:32.17 | han_solo | blast it |
| 16:32.26 | Jayce^ | wish I could.. |
| 16:35.58 | levi | My main beef with word is that it insists on trying to guess what I want to do rather than doing what I tell it. |
| 16:37.06 | levi | Word 4 on the Mac was actually a great word processor. I loved it. |
| 16:40.28 | han_solo | my main beef with word is people that use it |
| 16:41.13 | levi | I think it's great that people use it. I hate that people use it to exchange documents in electronic form. |
| 16:41.33 | han_solo | yes, to be more explicit. |
| 16:43.24 | BZFlag | Jayce^: here's a good one to slurp from: https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Resources/Documents/UNIX/newgpg/ |
| 16:45.35 | Jayce^ | BZFlag: anything you want me specifically to state on the announcement though? |
| 16:46.30 | BZFlag | copy in the gpg --gen-key section. reword if you like. |
| 16:46.35 | Jayce^ | k |
| 16:46.44 | BZFlag | should also decide who to mail keys to. |
| 16:46.50 | BZFlag | you? me? |
| 16:48.00 | Jayce^ | either is fine.. you pick |
| 16:48.24 | Jayce^ | anybody on the USU club list? might as well post to them too, just in case.. |
| 16:49.50 | Jayce^ | yeah, that would be amazing.. |
| 16:51.23 | han_solo | haven't forgotten. just got to squeeze it in |
| 16:51.51 | BZFlag | well then you if you are volunteering. ;-) |
| 16:52.37 | BZFlag | then folks should to a gpg --fingerprint <Key_ID> and send that to you (at least) and preferably to a know keyserver as well. |
| 16:53.06 | BZFlag | like pgp.mit.edu |
| 16:53.18 | han_solo | i suggest everyone send to the same one |
| 16:53.22 | han_solo | just to be sure |
| 16:54.42 | BZFlag | gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys <Key_ID> |
| 16:56.35 | BZFlag | how come the meetings link just points to the home page? |
| 16:56.43 | BZFlag | (on http://plug.org/) |
| 16:57.12 | Jayce^ | because alan hasn't had time to write a page yet.. |
| 16:57.24 | Jayce^ | alan == HarleyPig |
| 16:57.24 | BZFlag | ah |
| 16:57.41 | BZFlag | ibot insult HarleyPig |
| 16:57.55 | Jayce^ | pretty close actually :) |
| 16:58.19 | han_solo | buzzard gizzards. could be a delicacy somewhere |
| 18:07.08 | Bradipo_ | Hello. |
| 18:07.27 | Bradipo_ | Anyone here familiar with modems and their capabilities? |
| 18:10.53 | Jayce^ | not really |
| 18:11.31 | Bradipo_ | How about phone? |
| 18:11.51 | Bradipo_ | I know that caller id information is transmitted with a phone call where enabled. |
| 18:12.11 | Bradipo_ | Is there anything that indicates which phone number is being dialed (i.e. in a pool of numbers). |
| 18:12.17 | Bradipo_ | ? |
| 19:29.31 | BZFlag | Bradipo_: not that I'm aware of. |
| 19:30.10 | BZFlag | in fact some telcos offer "numberless" lines now that can only be used in a pool. |
| 20:06.00 | Mecworks | Jayce^: I posted your announcement of the PLUG meeting on SLLUG's site. |
| 20:07.46 | Jayce^ | thanks.. |
| 20:07.56 | Mecworks | No prob... |
| 20:19.45 | Jayce^ | I figure it's a good thing for the groups to cross post on that kinda stuff.. |
| 20:21.42 | Mecworks | I agree |
| 20:22.32 | Mecworks | MOst groups in Utah have purposly scheduled different days so that members can cross-attend meetings. |
| 20:24.33 | Jayce^ | yeah, and ours aren't exactly hard to guess.. same date/time for 6 years, so that helps.. |
| 20:25.09 | Jayce^ | heh.. I was thinking the other month of sponsoring a cross-group Quiz show type activity... Sllug vs. plug vs. UUG vs. whatever.. |
| 20:34.56 | Mecworks | 8^) Sounds cool...I think we share at least a few members...they can be the hecklers... |
| 20:40.21 | han_solo | hey Jayce^, if you ever run out of ideas for books to request, I wouldn't mind reviewing oreilly's new ruby in a nutshell |
| 20:44.04 | Jayce^ | I'll talk to marsee again in a bit.. if you really want to help things out, review any oreilly or ruby book you already have and like/dislike.. helps to prime the pump |
| 20:44.21 | han_solo | ok, I'll do it. don't think that one's out yet anyway |
| 20:44.29 | Jayce^ | I just 'ordered' 13 new and forthcoming books last week, and that wasnt' one of them.. sorry :) |
| 20:44.38 | han_solo | that's next on the list after put my vim notes online :) |
| 20:47.11 | Jayce^ | hehe... |
| 21:02.32 | brailsmt | Jayce^: I'll get in line behind han_solo for Ruby in a Nutshell |
| 21:02.45 | brailsmt | and I don't have any ruby books... |
| 21:03.03 | Bradipo_ | BZFlag: Thanks, I didn't think it would be possible. |
| 21:03.05 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:03.18 | Bradipo_ | I know that CID is available, but wasn't certain what other information was passed along in the phone call. |
| 21:03.24 | han_solo | got that already, thanks Jayce^ :) |
| 21:03.34 | Jayce^ | han_solo: version 2 :) |
| 21:03.53 | brailsmt | i will trade anyone a ruby book for my camel book... |
| 21:04.05 | Jayce^ | hehe.. weak.. |
| 21:04.22 | han_solo | yeah, I got the 2nd ed |
| 21:04.25 | brailsmt | camel's spit anyway... |
| 21:04.29 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:04.31 | brailsmt | s/'// |
| 21:04.33 | Jayce^ | no ruby ones though.. would like one to read through.. |
| 21:04.56 | Jayce^ | well, those who review always get first dibs on the next book.. |
| 21:04.58 | brailsmt | you should use ruby... the author is mormon... :) |
| 21:05.05 | han_solo | brailsmt: how would you test object class in a case statement in ruby? |
| 21:05.09 | brailsmt | you would committing a sin supporting perl... :)))) |
| 21:05.15 | Jayce^ | brailsmt: didn't know that.. |
| 21:05.18 | Jayce^ | bah! |
| 21:05.33 | brailsmt | i *am* kidding of course... |
| 21:05.54 | brailsmt | han_solo: lemme check some old code... |
| 21:06.53 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, giving presentations always helps in getting books, 'eh han_solo? |
| 21:07.12 | han_solo | o yeah :) |
| 21:07.41 | brailsmt | han_solo: you can do something like "case foo.class; when String; p "String"; end" |
| 21:07.44 | brailsmt | it think... |
| 21:07.49 | brailsmt | s/it/i |
| 21:09.48 | han_solo | it's actually prettier than that. |
| 21:09.51 | han_solo | case message |
| 21:09.57 | han_solo | when SensorMessage |
| 21:10.44 | brailsmt | no need for the ".class"? |
| 21:10.58 | han_solo | nope |
| 21:11.06 | han_solo | SensorMessage === message |
| 21:11.08 | han_solo | compares class |
| 21:11.20 | brailsmt | cool |
| 21:11.50 | brailsmt | irb(main):034:0> def aha; case $f; when Foo; print "aha"; end; end |
| 21:11.51 | brailsmt | nil |
| 21:11.51 | brailsmt | irb(main):035:0> $f = Foo.new |
| 21:11.51 | brailsmt | #<Foo:0x402010f8> |
| 21:11.51 | brailsmt | irb(main):036:0> aha |
| 21:11.53 | brailsmt | ahanil |
| 21:12.13 | brailsmt | of course I forgot the \n... :) |
| 22:03.12 | BZFlag | Bradipo_: 1st ring passes the caller number, 2nd ring the caller name. |
| 22:03.34 | brailsmt | funny you mention ring... lotr extended is relesed in a few hours... |
| 22:03.35 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:03.36 | BZFlag | Bradipo_: on call waiting ID I think its the same, but on the beeps. |
| 22:03.39 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 22:04.01 | BZFlag | brailsmt: yeah. buy it and come over for a video party. do it now. ;-) |
| 22:04.26 | brailsmt | i already have the first one, and SWII comes out in two hours too... :) |
| 22:04.34 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 22:04.36 | brailsmt | and I really want SWII |
| 22:04.54 | Bradipo_ | I kind of felt like they should have included the extra 30 minutes on the first one. |
| 22:04.58 | brailsmt | in fact I will be making a trip to walmart in a few hours to get it so I can watch it tonight :) |
| 22:05.02 | Bradipo_ | Kind of greedy. |
| 22:05.15 | Bradipo_ | How late is Walmart open? :-) |
| 22:05.21 | BZFlag | got a divx of lotr:fotr on my desktop system ripped from my dvd. I play it a lot. |
| 22:05.25 | Bradipo_ | Maybe I'll see you there... |
| 22:05.25 | brailsmt | orem walmart is 24-7 |
| 22:05.34 | Bradipo_ | Didn't know that. |
| 22:05.47 | brailsmt | I bought spiderman at 12:05AM :) |
| 22:06.06 | brailsmt | Jayce^: toys-r-us in orem has SWII for $9.99 |
| 22:06.09 | brailsmt | !!!!! |
| 22:06.19 | brailsmt | wal-mart matches ads too :) |
| 22:06.33 | Jayce^ | you're kidding! |
| 22:06.37 | Jayce^ | not a typo or anything?!?! |
| 22:06.39 | brailsmt | no |
| 22:06.44 | BZFlag | so where's the ad? |
| 22:06.55 | brailsmt | i am looking at it right now |
| 22:06.57 | Bradipo_ | Indeed! |
| 22:07.20 | brailsmt | came in saturdays deseret news I think... |
| 22:07.23 | Jayce^ | dangit, I'll make sure to ask, but if I need it.. well, guess I'll call you or head on down to toys R us.. |
| 22:07.48 | brailsmt | I got my wife hooked last night i think... |
| 22:07.57 | brailsmt | we watched lotr and she was glued to it... |
| 22:08.04 | BZFlag | should I bring "Glamdring" on wednesday? |
| 22:08.12 | brailsmt | usually she falls asleep during my movies... :) |
| 22:08.31 | Jayce^ | BZFlag: ooooh |
| 22:08.36 | brailsmt | but she was all asking questions about why stuff was happening... |
| 22:08.40 | Jayce^ | I got my wife addicted.. |
| 22:08.58 | brailsmt | i have not read that one... |
| 22:09.14 | Jayce^ | the old testament of middle-earth |
| 22:09.19 | brailsmt | lotr is the only fantasy books I have ever read... I am not really big into the genre... |
| 22:10.51 | brailsmt | but i liked lotr... funny thing is that the part I liked the best about the trilogy is the freindships... between frodo and sam, gimli and legolas and merry and pippin how they serve so faithfully to those kings... anyway, the battle were cool, but the freindships were the best part, imo |
| 22:13.00 | brailsmt | really? |
| 22:13.08 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:13.12 | brailsmt | hacker... |
| 22:13.17 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:13.26 | Jayce^ | phreaker actually :) |
| 22:13.50 | brailsmt | the next mitnick? |
| 22:14.04 | Jayce^ | cap'n crunch :) (yeah right) |
| 22:14.58 | brailsmt | my phone is on the fritz... :( |
| 22:15.14 | brailsmt | it is a cheapo $9 phone anyway... |
| 22:15.40 | brailsmt | the # is 2210600 if someone else wants to call... :) |
| 22:18.13 | Jayce^ | I would if I had the ad.. |
| 22:24.25 | brailsmt | dumb phone... it worked... yes on both counts... |
| 22:24.27 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:24.41 | Jayce^ | they have it, at $9.99 ? |
| 22:24.48 | brailsmt | available at 12:00 and they will match the ad |
| 22:24.52 | Jayce^ | do you need to have the ad? |
| 22:25.10 | brailsmt | no, they have it at $12.10 (on wal-mart.com at least)... |
| 22:26.05 | brailsmt | and the lotr extended version is only $15.00 at wal-mart.com... |
| 22:27.09 | brailsmt | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?cat=45409&dept=4096&path=0:4096:41938:45409&bti=0&sb=61 |
| 22:28.14 | Jayce^ | yeah, they have the fellowship extended for $25.88, where did you see it for $15? |
| 22:29.02 | Jayce^ | and swII for $12.10? shows at $17.88 for me.. |
| 22:29.43 | brailsmt | sorry... |
| 22:30.12 | Jayce^ | ahh, the "you save" part? 'eh? |
| 22:30.19 | brailsmt | yeah... |
| 22:30.33 | Jayce^ | still, what's the price at toys R us? |
| 22:30.33 | brailsmt | but the toys-r-us add for $9.99 is for real... |
| 22:30.38 | brailsmt | s/add/ad |
| 22:30.44 | Jayce^ | just for SWII ? |
| 22:30.49 | Jayce^ | tell me if they need the add.. |
| 22:30.53 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 22:31.12 | brailsmt | i think they will, but they may not... |
| 22:31.24 | brailsmt | if they don't take it from me you are welcome to use it |
| 22:31.46 | brailsmt | i could put it on my front door or something... |
| 22:35.26 | Jayce^ | heh.. maybe :) |
| 22:36.52 | BZFlag | or tape it to the door at walmart? |
| 22:37.14 | brailsmt | lol! |