| 00:35:18 | CosmicPenguin | is away: home |
| 03:29:53 | cpenguin_home | Tonight must be quota night for the telemarketers |
| 03:31:11 | Jayce^ | been getting a few I take it? |
| 03:31:31 | Jayce^ | it's getting close to halloween... they get stronger this time of year.. |
| 03:50:31 | Jayce^ | wb neybar |
| 04:17:49 | neybar | thanks |
| 04:27:54 | Jayce^ | you get that login working? |
| 04:28:15 | Jayce^ | anybody here ever try the Caché database? |
| 04:29:20 | neybar | only in konq |
| 04:29:45 | Jayce^ | strange.. sounds like it must be something with cookies.. but I've got the latest code, and it works on mine.. |
| 04:29:52 | neybar | hmm |
| 04:44:05 | Jayce^ | neybar.. you gotta pick up one of these scanners... soo nice.. |
| 05:04:33 | neybar | yeah, I'd like to |
| 05:05:07 | neybar | of course a scanner isn't as important since we got a digital camera |
| 06:00:46 | cpenguin_home | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:48:45 | han_solo | curious, do you all read/keep your email on the server or locally? |
| 16:50:10 | levi | That varies from time to time. :) |
| 16:50:58 | neybar | It depends for me also... currently I only read my mail from one place so I store it locally. |
| 16:54:27 | HarleyPig | Yay! I'm back. |
| 16:54:59 | han_solo | wb |
| 16:56:14 | HarleyPig | Thanks. |
| 16:57:30 | HarleyPig | I was here before Jayce^?! Wow. |
| 16:57:37 | Jayce^ | network trouble.. |
| 16:57:45 | HarleyPig | Yeah, likely story. |
| 16:57:55 | han_solo | don't believe him. he hasn't said a word all morning |
| 16:58:10 | Jayce^ | when I dhcp my external interaces, both of them set up as default gateways.. and it isn't liking that.. |
| 16:58:18 | HarleyPig | Hey, I was able to get UT2k3 working on my monitor, but only with everything turned off or at it's lowest setting. |
| 16:58:23 | Jayce^ | my nat script really doesn't.. |
| 16:58:42 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: yeah, that's your processor and such.. but at least you can play now :) |
| 16:59:14 | HarleyPig | heh ... well, the only change was ... oh ... I installed smgl too. |
| 16:59:17 | HarleyPig | Wonder if that helped. |
| 17:00:27 | Jayce^ | probably some.. also using your own monitor.. and tuning it up .. |
| 17:01:18 | han_solo | i don't see how the monitor and the cpu tie together |
| 17:01:38 | Jayce^ | different aspects, combined into one greater problem.. |
| 17:01:42 | HarleyPig | The errors I was getting indicated that the screen size was too small. |
| 17:02:20 | HarleyPig | The game had a problem once it actually tried to play. |
| 17:02:44 | HarleyPig | But when I moved to a bigger monitor and a ... less encrusted distro it seems to play just fine. |
| 17:03:00 | HarleyPig | I'll just have to upgrade the mb & cpu to get a decent play out of it. |
| 17:03:07 | HarleyPig | I mean, to better perform my job. |
| 17:05:59 | Jayce^ | ok, anybody got a good NAT script that handles multiple external interfaces? |
| 17:07:52 | han_solo | why do you have multiple external interfaces? |
| 17:07:57 | han_solo | what's the problem? |
| 17:08:32 | Jayce^ | well, my current nat only knows how to use one.. |
| 17:08:52 | Jayce^ | so it chokes when I have two interfaces :) |
| 17:08:57 | han_solo | is it the nat or the routing? |
| 17:10:31 | Jayce^ | well, routing is a problem ,because it's creating two default routes, which seems to be giving trouble.. but then my iptables nat tries pushing everything over one connection, when route wants stuff over the other.. |
| 17:12:04 | Jayce^ | heh.. now I brought the second interface down, and I can't bring it back up, since it's trying to go out on the other interface.. |
| 17:13:20 | han_solo | so you have two external interfaces and at least one internal that is being natted to ____ right? (fill in the blank please) |
| 17:14:19 | Jayce^ | eth0 is internal interface, eth1 && 2 are external |
| 17:16:25 | Jayce^ | grr... yeah, as soon as I bring up the eth2 interface, it adds it as a default route, and my system doesn't like natting out anymore.. |
| 17:16:41 | han_solo | smgl, right? |
| 17:16:54 | Jayce^ | that box yeah... |
| 17:17:18 | Jayce^ | my nat script is homegrown.. that's the main problem.. not exactly my strong point here.. |
| 17:17:30 | han_solo | I don't think your problem is nat |
| 17:17:38 | han_solo | i think it's having two default routes |
| 17:17:53 | Jayce^ | well, it seems to be nat and having two routes.. but yes, the two defaults is the problem overall.. |
| 17:18:08 | Jayce^ | how do you delete one? route del ?? |
| 17:18:38 | han_solo | maybe. I haven't used route for awhile. |
| 17:18:58 | han_solo | how do you bring it up? scripts? where is your network configuration? |
| 17:19:14 | Jayce^ | I haven't used it.. I knowthere is a route del, but dont' know what to put in after that to delete the one that's giving trouble.. |
| 17:19:23 | Jayce^ | dhcpcd -R eth2 |
| 17:19:39 | Jayce^ | actually, wasn't even using -R, but am now. |
| 17:20:42 | han_solo | well, I use pump not dhcpcd, but it lets me specify --no-gateway if I want |
| 17:20:51 | Jayce^ | hrmmm.. |
| 17:21:39 | han_solo | what is your nat rule(s)? |
| 17:24:29 | Jayce^ | route del default eth2 |
| 17:24:35 | Jayce^ | that took care of the problem :) |
| 17:24:49 | Jayce^ | now you should be able to hit http://jayce.provopm.org |
| 17:25:06 | Jayce^ | care to try for me.. (especially the photos link) |
| 17:26:28 | han_solo | cute squirrel |
| 17:26:42 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 17:26:50 | Jayce^ | zions park |
| 17:28:01 | Jayce^ | points han_solo to the starwars folder :) I'm boba fett there.. |
| 17:29:26 | han_solo | sorry, Jayce sends me to family now. can't get to star wars |
| 17:30:19 | Jayce^ | what browser? |
| 17:30:21 | han_solo | moz |
| 17:30:44 | Jayce^ | konq was doing something funky with the stylesheets last night where the links were down, and to the left of the icons and links.. |
| 17:33:42 | Jayce^ | seems allright in my moz.. what version do you have? |
| 17:33:48 | han_solo | 1.0 |
| 17:35:25 | Jayce^ | 1.1 here.. maybe.. |
| 17:36:01 | han_solo | now I get a gateway timeout |
| 17:44:20 | Jayce^ | henh? |
| 17:44:42 | Jayce^ | I can hit it from some external locations without that... |
| 17:45:37 | han_solo | probably just byu's it works now |
| 17:54:57 | han_solo | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:23:17 | han_solo | is back (gone 00:28:18) |
| 18:34:52 | han_solo | xmms seems to let go of its sound handle between songs. sometimes it trips over itself (esp. when using esd). this is bad |
| 18:35:00 | han_solo | has anyone else noticed that? |
| 18:41:22 | Jayce^ | yeah, I've seen that.. |
| 18:41:43 | Jayce^ | used to get sounds from everybuddy that would trigger during a song, then wait until between songs to play.. |
| 18:42:47 | han_solo | then xmms complains that it can't open the audio. |
| 18:43:27 | han_solo | when I push play on xmms, I give xmms the soundcard (or give it to esd as the case may be) until I push stop or the playlist ends. |
| 18:43:34 | han_solo | at least that's what I want. |
| 19:01:00 | HarleyPig | It's lunch time! An hour of UT! W00T! |
| 19:16:10 | Jayce^ | wow.. microsoft is trying to block the sale of bluelight.com saying they can't sell the copyrighted microsoft licenses.. |
| 19:18:11 | CosmicPenguin | so basically they want somebody to purchase new server software everytime a server is sold? |
| 19:19:14 | han_solo | CosmicPenguin: what? microsoft? |
| 19:19:14 | Jayce^ | yeah, Microsoft's copyrighted windows software belongs to them.. and Kmart has no right selling those licenses as an asset.. |
| 19:20:03 | han_solo | last I checked copyright didn't mean you can't sell it |
| 19:20:36 | CosmicPenguin | Thats great - I support that policy |
| 19:20:53 | CosmicPenguin | Because it means more copies of Apache et, all... |
| 19:26:09 | CosmicPenguin | heh - this might be fun: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HG40833 |
| 19:27:27 | Jayce^ | now if they had one more like axis and allies |
| 19:41:05 | han_solo | that's slick |
| 20:20:35 | neybar | that looks cool |
| 20:35:49 | Bradipo | Actually, more like Fortress America. |
| 20:36:08 | Bradipo | But definitely something along those lines. |
| 20:36:11 | Jayce^ | never have played that.. nobody I know has had it.. |
| 20:36:18 | Bradipo | I have it. :-) |
| 20:36:25 | han_solo | i was thinking something more like tic-tac-toe |
| 20:36:28 | Bradipo | I used to play it when I was younger. |
| 20:36:49 | Bradipo | It's like Axis and Allies, but has a different set of goals. |
| 20:36:52 | Jayce^ | I always did axis & allies.. |
| 20:36:58 | Jayce^ | since I had that one.. |
| 20:37:07 | Bradipo | I have both. |
| 20:37:38 | han_solo | our thing was monopoly |
| 20:37:39 | Jayce^ | suggests a Plug board game weekend ('cause with those games, it's never just one night) |
| 20:37:46 | Bradipo | Same here. |
| 20:37:52 | Bradipo | Monopoly was great. |
| 20:37:54 | han_solo | we'd have our own rules |
| 20:38:11 | han_solo | you could lend, have stock, invest in other people's property |
| 20:38:25 | Bradipo | That's cool! |
| 20:38:31 | han_solo | oh, and it's fun to play that one with one 12-sided die (or is that dice?) |
| 20:38:36 | han_solo | changes the dynamics of the game |
| 20:38:40 | Jayce^ | heh.. had to do it for an accounting class ones.. we had to keep full books, had all those kinds of lending and such too.. that was tough.. |
| 20:38:55 | Jayce^ | han_solo: die in singular |
| 20:39:37 | Jayce^ | at the end of the semester, we had to turn in all the books.. it was huge.. all the accounting charts, reports.. everything.. |
| 20:46:28 | han_solo | fun:) |
| 20:57:54 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... it seems that K-Mart agreed to the terms of the license with Microsoft, and then tried to weasel out of it |
| 21:01:00 | Jayce^ | heh.. hopefully a lot of other companies are noting the restrictions are really there.... |
| 21:01:47 | Jayce^ | now what's this do for accounting (on the topic).. licesnes are no longer an asset, how would that change depreciation.. buying something you can't get rid of.. that's gotta hurt.. |
| 21:02:49 | CosmicPenguin | Well, especially since KMart is in bankruptcy protection - I'm sure the debtors were counting on those assets being sold |
| 21:03:22 | neybar | don't you see, by hurting you Microsoft is trying to let you know that it cares... tough love sorta thing |
| 21:04:08 | CosmicPenguin | Well, in this case, its the buyer beware...... after all, they signed the contract |
| 21:04:29 | Jayce^ | now to help other companies see that price.. |
| 21:05:53 | CosmicPenguin | Just another line item for the software selection process |
| 21:50:18 | yodor | hi all |
| 21:50:43 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 21:51:19 | Jayce^ | you a local yodor? |
| 21:51:39 | neybar | local or loco? |
| 21:51:52 | Jayce^ | you have to me loco to be local to utah.. |
| 21:52:53 | yodor | locomotion |
| 21:59:49 | yodor | i have problems with runnig utah-glx on my comp |
| 22:00:25 | Jayce^ | utah-glx? |
| 22:00:46 | yodor | yes |
| 22:01:03 | yodor | anyone can help |
| 22:01:45 | han_solo | is that a city in utah? |
| 22:02:45 | yodor | my comp runs cities in his CPU |
| 22:11:24 | HarleyPig | That was a long hour! |
| 22:12:23 | yodor | is this the utah-glx project channel? |
| 22:12:42 | HarleyPig | Nope. |
| 22:12:56 | HarleyPig | This is the Utah Various User Groups channel. |
| 22:14:10 | yodor | sorry then |
| 22:14:27 | HarleyPig | Didn't mean to scare him off. |
| 22:19:50 | neybar | what's utah-glx? |
| 22:23:25 | han_solo | i'm not sure. but we've determined that it's not a city in utah. |
| 22:23:49 | levi | Utah-glx is an opengl thing. |
| 22:24:05 | levi | Probably developed at the U? I'm not sure. |
| 22:26:41 | han_solo | hey Jayce^, got any uml books in your library? |
| 22:28:13 | Jayce^ | no, but was thinking of requesting one.. I need one.. |
| 22:43:05 | han_solo | All I know about UML I learned from dia |
| 22:43:40 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 23:30:28 | han_solo | reading an article, it says this: "Many web sites place tiny scraps of program code, called 'cookies' onto the computers of web survers who visit. The code identifies the computer so the site can recognize it as a repeat customer if it returns. " no problem with that... but... "But many cookies also track every other site the computer visits and report back to their owners." Is that really a functionality of cookies? Is that even half-true? If so, |
| 23:30:28 | han_solo | is it true in anything other than IE? |
| 23:31:49 | han_solo | didn't mean to offend... ;-) |
| 23:41:23 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: lots of advertising companies write a cookie with their domain, and then if you ever hit another site with the same ad company, they can track you |
| 23:42:55 | han_solo | ic. so it's a part-truth |