| 00:41:59 | brailsmt | hey han_solo |
| 00:44:00 | Jayce^ | wishes you didn't need battle.net to play multiplayer starcraft.. |
| 00:44:21 | brailsmt | why? |
| 00:44:27 | han_solo | heya. You've used junit a lot right? what's the gig with assertTrue failures nuking the rest of the method (I can imagine it has to do with exceptions, but what good is it?) |
| 00:44:31 | brailsmt | you don't |
| 00:44:44 | brailsmt | han_solo: that is by design... |
| 00:44:52 | han_solo | ? |
| 00:44:57 | Jayce^ | bnetd? |
| 00:44:58 | brailsmt | han_solo: don't ask why... |
| 00:45:38 | brailsmt | han_solo: I don't know, unless it has something to do with the fact that logically if a test fails then all other tests after it would fail also... |
| 00:45:47 | han_solo | :) Then i bet it's cuz it was easier to implement with exceptions. |
| 00:45:55 | brailsmt | Jayce^: you can play sc on a LAN |
| 00:46:07 | han_solo | that can be the case, but it can also be the case that I just want to test with different inputs |
| 00:46:28 | Jayce^ | yeah, but nobody is here at my place right now brailsmt |
| 00:46:34 | brailsmt | han_solo: then you should run your test X number of times and specify a different data set each time |
| 00:46:48 | han_solo | how about a quick game of scorch then Jayce^? I have 10 minutes :) |
| 00:47:02 | han_solo | scorch is more productive than ranting about something I can't change anyway |
| 00:47:10 | brailsmt | han_solo: btw, that is one reason I wrote one of my JUnit extensions/// |
| 00:47:19 | brailsmt | s/\//./ |
| 00:47:21 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:47:44 | han_solo | you mean s/\//./g |
| 00:47:45 | han_solo | :) |
| 00:48:10 | brailsmt | I wrote an extension to allow you to specify data sets in an XML file external to the code and then change the data at run time... |
| 00:48:45 | brailsmt | no, I meant... line.gsub /\//, '.' |
| 00:48:47 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:50:06 | brailsmt | Jayce^: I have sc on my laptop... if you're in provo maybe we could meet and play sometime... |
| 00:50:17 | Jayce^ | eagle mountain :) |
| 00:50:21 | brailsmt | has to be Brood War though... |
| 00:50:33 | brailsmt | We almost bought a house in Eagle Mountain... |
| 00:50:35 | Jayce^ | and just got it partially installed through wine.. trying to get brood in now.. |
| 00:50:46 | Jayce^ | eagle mountain, or the ranches? |
| 00:50:57 | brailsmt | It was too far away... Eagle Mountain... |
| 00:51:28 | brailsmt | We were about a hair's breadth from buying a home from Patterson on an acre lot out there... |
| 00:51:48 | Jayce^ | ranches is much closer and nicer.. |
| 00:52:16 | brailsmt | but the lots are itsy bitsy dinky tiny postage stamps... |
| 00:52:49 | Jayce^ | not most... you can get up to 5 acres.. |
| 00:53:10 | Jayce^ | sure the ones next to us are postage stamp though.. stupid driveway in the back places.. |
| 00:53:20 | brailsmt | Almost all lots in the ranches are dinky |
| 00:53:52 | Jayce^ | we're on .2 acres.. most we could afford, but with our house size, it gives a decent backyard and front.. |
| 00:53:53 | brailsmt | only a few that are closer to the main highway are bigger... we spent a good 4 months shopping around out there... |
| 00:54:34 | brailsmt | we looked pretty heavily in the ranches, eagle mountain and Saratoga Springs |
| 00:55:25 | brailsmt | we finally settled on a .4 acre lot by Panda homes in Saratoga springs... in fact I got laid off the day we were supposed to sign the papers with the bank... |
| 00:55:54 | brailsmt | now i am back in school... |
| 00:58:26 | Jayce^ | han_solo: what IP to connect for scorch? |
| 00:59:58 | han_solo | fugal.net:8888 |
| 01:01:56 | han_solo | you there? |
| 01:02:07 | Jayce^ | connecting |
| 01:02:36 | han_solo | ok, go ahead and begin the game |
| 01:03:16 | Jayce^ | wow, it's been a long time :) |
| 01:03:33 | brailsmt | you still there guys? |
| 01:03:47 | han_solo | is here |
| 01:04:46 | han_solo | heh. forgot sheilds |
| 01:04:50 | Jayce^ | hehe :) |
| 01:05:07 | brailsmt | you already started? |
| 01:05:11 | brailsmt | dangit... |
| 01:05:21 | han_solo | sorry man :( |
| 01:05:35 | Jayce^ | well, it just said I'm no longer synched.. |
| 01:05:47 | han_solo | really? |
| 01:05:59 | han_solo | well you just blew me off the screen |
| 01:06:02 | Jayce^ | direct hit with the baby nuke :) 2nd shot.. |
| 01:06:10 | han_solo | i was gonna napalm you. lucky |
| 01:06:26 | brailsmt | care to restart with a third player? |
| 01:06:35 | Jayce^ | dangit... with my lead :) |
| 01:06:41 | han_solo | yeah, let's :) |
| 01:07:02 | Jayce^ | k, disconnected.. |
| 01:07:24 | brailsmt | it says I am connected... |
| 01:08:18 | Jayce^ | k, think I'm connected.. |
| 01:08:25 | han_solo | hmm. |
| 01:08:31 | han_solo | I don't see any connected people |
| 01:08:42 | brailsmt | i will reconnect... |
| 01:08:55 | han_solo | you too Jayce^ |
| 01:09:36 | Jayce^ | throw in some bot fodder |
| 01:10:02 | brailsmt | you see me still han_solo? |
| 01:10:23 | brailsmt | ok, i am waiting for other players to begin... |
| 01:10:30 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 01:10:52 | brailsmt | oops/// |
| 01:10:58 | han_solo | what? |
| 01:10:58 | Jayce^ | ?? |
| 01:11:05 | brailsmt | it says I am no longer synced... |
| 01:11:14 | Jayce^ | ditto.. keep going though |
| 01:11:18 | brailsmt | ok |
| 01:12:29 | brailsmt | slowpokes... :) |
| 01:12:38 | han_solo | oops. it just went away |
| 01:12:53 | Jayce^ | "it" ? |
| 01:12:57 | han_solo | xscorch :) |
| 01:13:01 | han_solo | segfault or something |
| 01:13:09 | brailsmt | i dont think it is stable with 3 ppl... |
| 01:13:10 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 01:13:19 | han_solo | he |
| 01:13:27 | han_solo | i tried to create a new server, server failed |
| 01:13:33 | han_solo | lemme find the process. |
| 01:13:35 | brailsmt | ok try me then |
| 01:13:46 | brailsmt | 12.254.131.132:8367 |
| 01:14:06 | brailsmt | wait, I doubt my firewall will like that... |
| 01:14:09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:14:35 | Jayce^ | yeah, doesn't look like it connected.. |
| 01:15:10 | han_solo | are you fixing it, or do we want to try me again? |
| 01:15:24 | brailsmt | i'm setting it up on nother port... |
| 01:15:59 | brailsmt | 12.254.131.132:2401 |
| 01:16:25 | han_solo | i'm on |
| 01:16:49 | brailsmt | oops... |
| 01:16:58 | brailsmt | we both started the game... :) |
| 01:17:03 | brailsmt | now Jayce is out... |
| 01:17:06 | han_solo | oops :) |
| 01:17:09 | Jayce^ | hosers.. |
| 01:17:15 | brailsmt | sorry... :) |
| 01:17:23 | han_solo | do restart the game |
| 01:17:24 | brailsmt | points and laughs |
| 01:17:25 | Jayce^ | considers just playing UT2k3 :) |
| 01:17:38 | brailsmt | done |
| 01:17:54 | brailsmt | report when are back on... |
| 01:18:02 | brailsmt | I will wait to start... |
| 01:18:09 | han_solo | i'm on |
| 01:18:19 | Jayce^ | failed |
| 01:18:20 | brailsmt | there are problems with 3 ppl playing... |
| 01:18:26 | brailsmt | it just died on my |
| 01:18:38 | brailsmt | it is only version 0.1 |
| 01:18:45 | Jayce^ | .15 for me.. |
| 01:18:50 | han_solo | 0.1.14 for me |
| 01:19:03 | brailsmt | 0.1.15 for me |
| 01:19:32 | brailsmt | i haven't even started 428 yet... :( |
| 01:19:41 | brailsmt | because I haven't finished 455 yet... |
| 01:19:44 | brailsmt | :(( |
| 01:19:54 | han_solo | :( |
| 01:20:03 | brailsmt | and I haven't finished 455 yet because of 345... |
| 01:20:07 | brailsmt | which I dropped... |
| 01:20:27 | brailsmt | but i am still trying to catch up... |
| 01:20:37 | brailsmt | at least I know JUnit already :) |
| 01:21:13 | han_solo | :) |
| 01:21:33 | brailsmt | I have a cron job to record my cpu temps in a data file... I got it hooked up with gnuplot today... :) |
| 01:21:39 | han_solo | oooh |
| 01:21:45 | brailsmt | so I have a graph of my cpu temp for the last few days :) |
| 01:21:52 | han_solo | I should do that |
| 01:21:53 | brailsmt | pretty cool |
| 01:22:06 | brailsmt | i have the ruby script to do it... |
| 01:22:13 | brailsmt | if you are running acpi, that is |
| 01:22:17 | han_solo | i wonder if I have acpi in this kernel |
| 01:22:24 | han_solo | doesn't look like it |
| 01:22:35 | brailsmt | acpi is pretty cool... |
| 01:22:50 | han_solo | I'm crazy enough to try xscorch again |
| 01:24:02 | brailsmt | you two go ahead... |
| 01:24:19 | Jayce^ | just made the mistake of typing halt on a system, without looking close enough at the prompt... wrong system.... ouch.. |
| 01:24:31 | Jayce^ | D'oh |
| 01:24:39 | brailsmt | my highest cpu temp is 84C so far... |
| 01:24:43 | brailsmt | not too bad... |
| 01:24:54 | brailsmt | avg is about 72C |
| 01:24:57 | han_solo | I was on the server at work one day, when all of a sudden I got the shutdown message. |
| 01:25:14 | brailsmt | cpu throttles down at 90C and shuts off at 95C |
| 01:25:20 | han_solo | I looked over at the sysadmin, he realized by my reaction what he had done, stood and went to the server room. |
| 01:25:27 | han_solo | it was hilarious |
| 01:26:33 | brailsmt | there needs to be a "shutdown --suspend now" command... |
| 01:27:51 | brailsmt | my only gnuplot complaint is that I would like to plot the data with a curved line... |
| 01:29:32 | han_solo | as opposed to... |
| 01:29:42 | han_solo | plot ... with lines |
| 01:29:56 | brailsmt | to straight lines with jagged intersections... |
| 01:30:11 | han_solo | you can fit a curve |
| 01:30:20 | brailsmt | with gnuplot? |
| 01:30:22 | han_solo | yeah |
| 01:30:24 | brailsmt | how? |
| 01:30:32 | brailsmt | today is my first day ever using it... |
| 01:33:46 | han_solo | plot 'filename' smooth unique ... should do it |
| 01:33:56 | han_solo | if not, maybe smooth bezier |
| 01:34:03 | han_solo | Syntax: |
| 01:34:03 | han_solo | smooth {unique | csplines | acsplines | bezier | sbezier} |
| 01:34:13 | han_solo | see the (ick) info pages for more. |
| 01:36:19 | han_solo | sets it up so he can read info pages converted to html because that way they're slightly more bearable. |
| 01:36:33 | brailsmt | bezier is exactly what I wanted... |
| 01:36:35 | brailsmt | thx |
| 01:36:49 | han_solo | np. you're talking to a gnuplot old-timer |
| 01:36:53 | brailsmt | info pages were written for emacs users... |
| 01:37:03 | han_solo | by emacs users |
| 01:37:06 | han_solo | that's why they're so bad |
| 01:37:15 | brailsmt | i hate the navigation.... |
| 01:37:35 | han_solo | me too. I'd rather just search through a huge man page than try to navigate an info page |
| 01:37:41 | brailsmt | can you feed gnuplot info from a pipe in real time? |
| 01:37:54 | han_solo | i think so |
| 01:38:04 | brailsmt | man <blah> ... /<something> |
| 01:38:15 | brailsmt | that is much nicer IMO, than anything in info pages |
| 01:38:38 | brailsmt | it'd be nice to plot the last 20 minutes of cpu temps... |
| 01:38:52 | brailsmt | and keep it up to date... |
| 01:39:03 | han_solo | try plot - ... |
| 01:39:22 | brailsmt | but can I feed that pipe with a cron job every minutes? |
| 01:40:31 | brailsmt | ok, well, I have to go code up some clipping algorithms... |
| 01:40:36 | brailsmt | wheeee... |
| 01:40:51 | han_solo | :) |
| 01:40:55 | brailsmt | im actually getting the hang of this opengl thing... |
| 01:41:07 | han_solo | wonders if there is no good console-based time tracking program |
| 01:41:15 | brailsmt | you know, I just realized something... |
| 01:41:20 | brailsmt | han_solo: date? |
| 01:41:54 | brailsmt | ...i understand something better if I can think of how to write a program for it... |
| 01:42:08 | brailsmt | kinda like what dr. woodfield was saying the other day... |
| 01:42:27 | brailsmt | eery... |
| 01:42:44 | brailsmt | i am serving up CVS for my group... :) |
| 01:43:49 | brailsmt | cool and some ppl have already checked some things back in :) |
| 01:44:31 | brailsmt | ok, well, I'm gonna shut down irc, it is distracting again... (I hate that!) :) |
| 01:49:09 | han_solo | date? umm, date doesn't keep track of time :) |
| 02:50:04 | Krypik | Hey everyone |
| 05:49:12 | regis | hey all |
| 14:34:33 | Bonez39 | greetings |
| 14:34:33 | Bonez39 | is back (gone 20:33:44) |
| 14:46:32 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 15:27:45) |
| 15:16:06 | Bonez39 | hello Neybar |
| 15:22:48 | neybar | hey |
| 15:26:41 | Bonez39 | what a quiet place... |
| 15:29:25 | levi_ | Yo. |
| 15:30:08 | levi_ | makes noise. |
| 15:35:52 | Bonez39 | anyone know how I would obtain smbmnt? |
| 15:37:23 | levi_ | apt-get... ;) |
| 15:37:39 | levi_ | Or check freshmeat |
| 16:01:35 | CosmicPenguin | Is somebody going to change the topic - I hate to have people going to the library for no reason... :) |
| 17:10:24 | Bonez39 | is away: but back soon |
| 20:22:59 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-18 19:44:08 | Boeing Bird of Prey Stealth Fighter | Lucky Green vs. Palladium | Floor Vacuum Robot for $200 | THG Looks at ClawHammer Mobo |
| 20:22:59 | fugalh | ibot, slashdot |
| 20:23:15 | fugalh | that lucky green vs palladium article on wired is interesting |
| 20:23:42 | fugalh | basically, this lucky green guy filed patents patenting using palladium to enforce anti-piracy |
| 20:24:06 | fugalh | so that no company can do so without violating patents. of course he has no intention of using the patent, only enforcing it |
| 20:26:58 | CosmicPenguin | Thats good thinking - I'll bet it will cause a glut of patents on DRM concepts |
| 20:27:55 | CosmicPenguin | We will have whole think tanks of folks, sitting around thinking of DRM ideas and then patenting them to remove them from the public domain |
| 20:28:23 | fugalh | it's pretty slick, in that on the one hand if microsoft (or someone else) tries to fight it they show their true colors |
| 20:28:57 | fugalh | and on the other hand if it goes through we see how silly the patent system is for software in yet another case |
| 20:34:43 | fugalh | wow, overwhelming percentage (38% vs. the next-highest 17%) of slashdot poll responses say they have no laptop (you insensitive clod) |
| 20:36:16 | fugalh | goes back to studying |
| 21:04:15 | Kryptik | Lot of people on today |
| 21:08:01 | Jayce^ | a few |
| 21:23:53 | Bonez39 | is here now and then...;) |
| 21:34:21 | Kryptik | The grapes of wrath is the dumbest book ever. classic... maybe for a fire starter. |
| 21:42:00 | BZFlag | joins the uug distro mail thread. |
| 21:42:15 | BZFlag | how'd the lug do last night? |
| 21:44:11 | CosmicPenguin | You mean last-last night? |
| 21:46:57 | BZFlag | uh... yeah I guess. |
| 21:47:04 | BZFlag | looses track of time. |
| 21:50:49 | Jayce^ | BZFlag is losing it :) |
| 21:53:39 | Jayce^ | just don't lose it all before your presentation next month.. |
| 21:59:44 | fozz | plops in |
| 22:00:03 | Jayce^ | prods BZFlag to try sourcemage before gentoo.. |
| 22:00:11 | Jayce^ | plop fizzes right in :) |
| 22:00:13 | brailsmt | bah... |
| 22:00:19 | fozz | :) |
| 22:00:28 | fozz | Jayce^: You like sourcemage? |
| 22:00:32 | Jayce^ | love it.. |
| 22:00:33 | fozz | Got an URL handy? |
| 22:00:38 | fozz | Or should I guess? |
| 22:00:38 | Jayce^ | www.sourcemage.org |
| 22:00:44 | Jayce^ | real tough one :) |
| 22:00:46 | fozz | Dang. I never would have guessed that! |
| 22:01:05 | Jayce^ | just gettting the .9 release ready.. should have 1.0 ready at the end of the month (hopefully) |
| 22:01:15 | fozz | Man! Who did this webpage?! |
| 22:01:30 | Jayce^ | one of the devel guys.. php freak ;) |
| 22:01:34 | fozz | jacks up the font size in Mozilla several times. |
| 22:01:42 | fozz | (you know, so I can read it) |
| 22:02:00 | Jayce^ | heh.. looks fine in my moz and konq |
| 22:03:44 | fozz | This is how it looks in my moz: http://iodynamics.com/~fozz/sourcemage_shot.png |
| 22:04:10 | Jayce^ | hrmm. the iso spot still has the old disks.. strange.. |
| 22:04:23 | Jayce^ | wow.. nothing like mine.. |
| 22:06:05 | fozz | I set a minimum font size in Mozilla to 10pt and it's better now. :) |
| 22:06:34 | fozz | I'll have to check this stuff out. The source-only distros have intrigued me for some time now. |
| 22:06:51 | Jayce^ | yeah.. this one is nice.. no python requirement :) |
| 22:06:51 | brailsmt | go with gentoo |
| 22:06:56 | brailsmt | ducks |
| 22:07:03 | fozz | Does gentoo require Python? |
| 22:07:10 | brailsmt | yes |
| 22:07:13 | Jayce^ | yeah. |
| 22:07:18 | fozz | THen my choice is obvious. :) |
| 22:07:21 | brailsmt | the pkg mgmt system is written in python |
| 22:07:23 | Jayce^ | exactly.. |
| 22:07:23 | fozz | sourcemage is it! |
| 22:07:34 | Jayce^ | sourcemage uses bash for it's pkg system |
| 22:07:41 | fozz | Okay. Now that's weird. :) |
| 22:07:55 | Jayce^ | bare minimalism for the base level.. |
| 22:07:58 | fozz | I'll check it out. |
| 22:08:04 | Jayce^ | truly nothing you don't need.. |
| 22:08:05 | brailsmt | i personally can't stand python, but i have never not used something because of the language it was written in, except for java apps... |
| 22:08:16 | fozz | Alright. Now I get to go home. |
| 22:08:22 | fozz | (Going home is really a once a week thing for me) |
| 22:08:37 | fozz | See y'all around the Net. :) |
| 22:08:46 | brailsmt | i would like to see a distro pkg mgmt system built with ruby :) |
| 22:09:48 | Jayce^ | perl |
| 22:10:10 | brailsmt | i will use perl when it becomes ruby :)) |
| 22:12:21 | brailsmt | i used to use perl, i just never liked it, some ppl swear by it, but it just isn't for me i guess... |
| 22:12:24 | neybar | that sentance was all backwards... when ruby becomes perl is how it is supposed to go. |
| 22:12:34 | Jayce^ | the perl6 virtual machine can actually run ruby.. |
| 22:12:59 | brailsmt | and about anything else... |
| 22:13:15 | Jayce^ | personally I see ruby as one of the closest perl knockoffs, but some things I dont' like.. |
| 22:13:23 | Jayce^ | brailsmt: you looked at perl6 at all? |
| 22:14:00 | brailsmt | I have only heard that it is a huge change and will not be compatible with perl < 6 |
| 22:14:28 | brailsmt | supposedly you can basically define your own language rules and stuff, it is very flexible from what I have heard |
| 22:14:37 | Jayce^ | not really... it's the next logical evolutionary step.. I think a lot of ruby people will like it, since that's really waht ruby was doing too.. |
| 22:15:01 | brailsmt | but it is nothing I plan to use |
| 22:15:06 | Jayce^ | extremely.. like for regex, you define your grammar rules.. (of course there are predefined sets to use) |
| 22:15:14 | brailsmt | ruby is already a good, clean, powerful language |
| 22:15:42 | Jayce^ | so is perl.... but there is always progress in any language (except maybe cobol) |
| 22:15:45 | brailsmt | perl may be good and powerful but it lacks the clean aspect |
| 22:16:14 | Jayce^ | bah... I hear that from so many people.. I still dont' get it.. my code looks perfectly clean to me.. |
| 22:16:19 | brailsmt | unless you equate clean with minimizing lines of code |
| 22:16:30 | Jayce^ | especially the python folks... personally their code makes me sick.. |
| 22:16:56 | brailsmt | I would use python before I used perl, i just can't stand the idea of meaningful whitespace |
| 22:17:29 | brailsmt | i have heard python advocates push python as the new lisp... |
| 22:17:31 | neybar | the other persons code is almost always unreadable... the language really doesn't matter, its all about the dope. |
| 22:18:04 | brailsmt | no inferiority complex there... |
| 22:18:05 | Jayce^ | yeah.. I could make code ugly in any language.. or I can make it easy to read.. I just like having the choice.. |
| 22:18:25 | neybar | lol |
| 22:18:51 | brailsmt | ruby is the most open/flexible langauge I have ever seen or used... |
| 22:19:06 | Jayce^ | for me, that's gotta be one of the things that most pulled me to perl.. I *detest* having a language push me into a programming style (usually that of the first developer for that language).. Perl let's you pick your style.. best type for the job at hand.. |
| 22:19:33 | Jayce^ | ruby get's it's flexibility by mimicing perl (which is does a pretty good job, that's why I prefer it to most) |
| 22:21:12 | brailsmt | ruby is not a perl knockoff, it is a new language that was assembled from various sources, it inherited lots of things from other langauges, not just from perl, it has things perl does not... |
| 22:21:49 | Jayce^ | yeah... that's the same nature perl took.. same theology.. build from the best at each.. |
| 22:22:03 | Jayce^ | "assimilate" :) |
| 22:22:15 | Jayce^ | note: I am NOT a trekkie.. but had to say that.. |
| 22:22:36 | brailsmt | I was a trekkie at one time... then I moved out of my parents house... |
| 22:22:47 | brailsmt | now, I see how cheesy it is |
| 22:22:47 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:22:53 | Jayce^ | the reason ruby has stuff perl doesn't, is because your looking at a perl version coming on 10 yrs old almost.. ruby was written since then.. |
| 22:23:09 | Jayce^ | now perl6 is being written, and their are new goodies to be included.. |
| 22:23:25 | brailsmt | i can't wait fr ruby6 :) |
| 22:24:02 | neybar | lol, you are converting him jayce... |
| 22:24:05 | Kryptik | hey if you guys ever want to see how slow you can get your computer, just do a google search for warez, gamez, moviez and then click on ten random links |
| 22:24:13 | neybar | err aren't... I can't type anymore |
| 22:24:40 | Kryptik | careful though lots of porn |
| 22:24:47 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. |
| 22:25:06 | Jayce^ | didn't think I would.. at least he's using ruby, and not python or php :) |
| 22:25:16 | Kryptik | I like python and php |
| 22:25:34 | Jayce^ | barfs at those languages.. |
| 22:25:55 | Jayce^ | php started from a good source.. but narrowed themselves down so much.. |
| 22:26:02 | Kryptik | responds the same way at the sight of Jayce^'s barf. |
| 22:26:18 | Jayce^ | I still try and use them some, jsut to make sure I use it some... so I know the systems.. they do have some good points.. |
| 22:26:24 | neybar | * neybar barfs for no good reason |
| 22:26:42 | Jayce^ | "If you're going to spew..." |
| 22:26:47 | Kryptik | notices the fumes and the nearest exit sign |
| 22:26:56 | Jayce^ | barfs towards C#... |
| 22:27:20 | brailsmt | i will not be converting to perl anytime soon |
| 22:27:22 | Kryptik | but hits Windows ME instead |
| 22:27:29 | brailsmt | I used perl for six months |
| 22:27:35 | Kryptik | nor will I |
| 22:27:37 | brailsmt | i never liked it |
| 22:27:47 | brailsmt | I used for a week and I was hooked |
| 22:27:50 | brailsmt | err... |
| 22:27:52 | Jayce^ | my biggest thing is not whether the other people use perl or another language.. but those who say they won't use perl because it's harder to read or something.. |
| 22:27:55 | brailsmt | I used ruby for a week and I was hooked |
| 22:28:06 | Kryptik | i havent heard of that, what is it? |
| 22:28:15 | brailsmt | www.ruby-lang.org |
| 22:28:23 | brailsmt | it is a pure OO scripting language |
| 22:28:24 | Kryptik | ok thanks |
| 22:28:25 | | ruby is the OO scripting language from Japan or in feed "http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ipaq/feed/" or featuring the best from Perl and SmallTalk or in feed "http://handhelds.org/feeds/ruby/" or better than python or inferior to python. |
| 22:28:25 | Jayce^ | ibot: ruby? |
| 22:28:43 | | perl is probably at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com |
| 22:28:43 | Jayce^ | ibot: perl? |
| 22:29:25 | brailsmt | ruby is an amalagamation of lots of languages... including perl, smalltalk, clu/sather, eiffel, and lots of langauges I have never heard of :) |
| 22:30:02 | brailsmt | I want to learn brainf**k... it is a language with only 4 operators... |
| 22:30:10 | Jayce^ | dangit.. ibot is too programmed for handhelds :) |
| 22:30:17 | Jayce^ | hehe.. yeah, that language looks fun... |
| 22:30:26 | Jayce^ | been meaning to try it.. |
| 22:30:28 | brailsmt | I could put it on my resume, and I guarantee that ppl would look twice, then throw it away... |
| 22:30:34 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:30:45 | Kryptik | heh on the brainF**k |
| 22:31:18 | brailsmt | anyway, I hear the aforementioned language is harder to read than perl... :)) |
| 22:31:35 | brailsmt | takes another jab at perl |
| 22:31:47 | Jayce^ | thbbbttt.. |
| 22:32:02 | brailsmt | looks up at his camel book... |
| 22:32:13 | Jayce^ | mmmm... camels .. |
| 22:32:25 | brailsmt | rubys are more valuable... :) |
| 22:32:44 | Jayce^ | camels are more practical... |
| 22:32:45 | brailsmt | well, they are less messy... |
| 22:33:00 | Jayce^ | looks at all the other critters oreilly has associated with perl.. |
| 22:33:01 | brailsmt | yeah, but they spit... |
| 22:33:05 | Jayce^ | the wolf is the best.. |
| 22:33:21 | brailsmt | I don't have the ruby o'reilly book |
| 22:33:29 | brailsmt | i was serious about learning perl... |
| 22:33:32 | Kryptik | is it worth having |
| 22:33:40 | Jayce^ | is what... |
| 22:33:51 | Kryptik | the oreilly book on perl |
| 22:34:05 | Jayce^ | very useful.... (although, there are a WHOLE LOT of them) |
| 22:34:07 | brailsmt | i needed it |
| 22:34:19 | Jayce^ | looks at his shelf of Perl... mostly oreilly.. |
| 22:34:23 | brailsmt | I couldn't get off the ground with perl without the camel book by my side... |
| 22:34:26 | Kryptik | hmm. so what do i learn perl or ruby |
| 22:34:29 | Kryptik | or both? |
| 22:34:32 | Jayce^ | both |
| 22:34:35 | brailsmt | both, then choose |
| 22:34:39 | brailsmt | i did |
| 22:34:40 | Jayce^ | be pragmatic, and always learn more.. |
| 22:34:44 | Jayce^ | ditto.. |
| 22:34:49 | Kryptik | of course |
| 22:35:15 | Jayce^ | you'll always find people who tout one over another.. but you should always find your favorite.. |
| 22:35:16 | brailsmt | Jayce^: hah, that is exactly why I started to leanr perl... I read the "Pragmatic Programmer" the authors suggested learning perl... |
| 22:35:23 | Kryptik | Hmm. anyone know how to cheat the time system on a patch download for games |
| 22:35:27 | Jayce^ | hehe... good book.. |
| 22:35:46 | Jayce^ | time system? |
| 22:35:51 | brailsmt | Jayce^: then I learned ruby, and found out that Hunt and Thomas are both *avid* ruby advocates now... :) |
| 22:36:17 | Jayce^ | it'll change.. it always does.. |
| 22:36:27 | brailsmt | Dave Thomas even hangs out it #ruby-lang all the time... |
| 22:36:54 | Jayce^ | dave thomas.. didn't he die last year? too many of his own hamburgers .. (oh wait.. different dave) |
| 22:36:57 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:36:58 | Kryptik | Yea for example everquest has target files and I want to edit them, but if I change them the patch download will detect the time modified and will download the default file |
| 22:37:05 | brailsmt | not so sure it'll cahnge soon though... they wrote the best ruby book out there... and they are very committed to its furtherance |
| 22:37:17 | Jayce^ | Kryptik: never tried.. |
| 22:37:37 | brailsmt | Kryptik: can't you touch a file and spcify a date? |
| 22:37:58 | Kryptik | ok well do you think if i change the time right here on the task bar and save it right on the default that it will be ok? |
| 22:38:27 | brailsmt | i don't know about taskbars... but it'd probably be ok from the cmd line... |
| 22:38:32 | Kryptik | I havent been able to change the date modified. I looked all over for a program or someway to do it, still no look |
| 22:38:48 | Kryptik | how do i change if from cmd |
| 22:38:50 | brailsmt | touch -d=STRING |
| 22:38:59 | Kryptik | what |
| 22:40:34 | brailsmt | touch -d="2002-Oct-18" somefile.txt |
| 22:40:39 | brailsmt | for example |
| 22:40:55 | Kryptik | windows, not linux |
| 22:41:07 | brailsmt | oh... uhmmm, beats me... |
| 22:41:33 | Kryptik | me too |
| 22:41:38 | brailsmt | i hate 'info' the navigation is so fubar'd |
| 22:42:42 | Jayce^ | ugh.. info/emacs... yuck.. |
| 22:42:51 | Jayce^ | man is so much better |
| 22:42:55 | brailsmt | agreed... |
| 22:43:06 | brailsmt | especially if you have PAGER=vim |
| 22:43:08 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:43:12 | Jayce^ | marks down that brailsmt agrees with him on this point.. |
| 22:43:12 | Kryptik | you guys know a way I can run all my win apps underlinux, wine dont work and nothing else will. |
| 22:43:17 | brailsmt | haha |
| 22:43:19 | Jayce^ | vim.. all the way.. |
| 22:43:30 | Jayce^ | what apps? |
| 22:43:41 | brailsmt | there is a guy in #vim that disagrees with me on almost everything... |
| 22:43:47 | brailsmt | it is funny... |
| 22:43:59 | Kryptik | games and just misc programs like 3d studio max |
| 22:44:03 | brailsmt | noteL this guy is a python advocate... |
| 22:45:28 | brailsmt | he likes mysql, I like postgres, he likes debian, I like gentoo, he like X, I like X^-1... :) |
| 22:45:33 | Jayce^ | just realized I wasn't in that channel.. |
| 22:45:57 | Jayce^ | well, I like mysql.. use postgres too.. but I use sourcemage, and Perl.. |
| 22:46:01 | brailsmt | it is Strike, he and i disagree on almost everything... |
| 22:46:05 | Jayce^ | but we both prefer man, and vim |
| 22:46:25 | brailsmt | but if he knows *a lot* of stuff about a lot of things... |
| 22:46:33 | brailsmt | s/if// |
| 22:51:03 | levi_ | . o O ( Jayce^ perfers men? ) |
| 22:51:26 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:51:31 | brailsmt | no, just one.. |
| 22:52:52 | Kryptik | just got the ruby manual, am going to try it out. thanks for the info |
| 22:52:54 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 22:53:06 | levi_ | I can't believe I just typed 'perfers'. I assure you it was a transposition error. ;) |
| 22:53:19 | Kryptik | heh |
| 22:56:30 | brailsmt | uhmm... |
| 22:56:41 | brailsmt | runs a quick "dict perfers" |
| 22:56:43 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:56:55 | brailsmt | hrmm... |
| 22:57:11 | brailsmt | i guess I am a little slow on the uptake... |
| 22:57:25 | brailsmt | hey OpenGL is really cool |
| 22:57:34 | brailsmt | </random blurb> |
| 22:59:28 | Jayce^ | UT2k3 is way cool |
| 23:00:11 | Jayce^ | in linux of course.. |
| 23:01:11 | brailsmt | Jayce^: both my computers suck too bad to play it... |
| 23:01:15 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:01:51 | brailsmt | neither has hardware graphics accelleration, one is 300MHz, and the other is 1200MHz |
| 23:01:53 | Jayce^ | my main one can.. nothing else.. |
| 23:02:10 | Jayce^ | the 1200 could play pretty well, what video card though? |
| 23:02:38 | brailsmt | it is an old one... S3 ProSavage, 16MB video mem... |
| 23:02:58 | Jayce^ | yeah, that would hurt :) |
| 23:03:20 | brailsmt | i didn't buy it with gaming as even a remote consideration... |
| 23:04:19 | brailsmt | my requirements where on chip cache, >1GHz, plenty of RAM (for compiling), 1024x768 display, and big hdd... |
| 23:04:29 | brailsmt | I bought it to write code on |
| 23:04:35 | brailsmt | I must be a loser... |
| 23:04:36 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:04:45 | Jayce^ | so did I... oh, and test too.. (test that openGL game) |
| 23:05:04 | brailsmt | I do have the tuxracer 1.0 demo... |
| 23:05:08 | brailsmt | pretty slcik... |
| 23:05:08 | Jayce^ | of course, my box is also my work box (work from home) |
| 23:05:10 | brailsmt | uhmm |
| 23:05:32 | brailsmt | at least it is once I cut way back on the graphics... |
| 23:06:58 | Jayce^ | you see that 'cube' game? |
| 23:07:04 | brailsmt | huh? |
| 23:07:05 | brailsmt | no |
| 23:08:11 | Jayce^ | there is an article on it on oreillynet.. check it out. |
| 23:08:36 | Kryptik | I love ut2k3 |
| 23:08:51 | brailsmt | Jayce^: is that the one with the new small gaming engine? |
| 23:09:01 | brailsmt | that is open source |
| 23:09:39 | brailsmt | if it is, then yes I have read of it... |
| 23:10:15 | Kryptik | what small gaming engine |
| 23:10:20 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:10:54 | Kryptik | Where is that article located |
| 23:13:31 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Location: Dodge Direction: Out |
| 23:26:25 | pierina_14 | helolo |
| 23:26:28 | pierina_14 | hello |
| 23:31:27 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 23:31:43 | pierina_14 | r u mormon? |
| 23:31:50 | Jayce^ | yeah, I am.. |
| 23:32:07 | pierina_14 | so do i im from ecuador guayaquil |
| 23:32:15 | pierina_14 | do u like linux too? |
| 23:32:25 | Jayce^ | yup... |
| 23:33:10 | pierina_14 | d u use rh or suse or other? |
| 23:34:21 | pierina_14 | do u have any idea of where to find plain info on adding 3dnow code to apps |
| 23:41:55 | bbeattie | Just thinking, since 802.11 has 11 channels, each 10Mb/s, could tunneling all of them product a 110Mb/s connection? |
| 23:42:31 | Bradipo | Interesting idea. |
| 23:43:13 | bbeattie | I need about 45mB/s connection via wireless for a project of mine, |
| 23:43:55 | Bradipo | 45MB/s or 45Mb/s? |
| 23:44:26 | Bradipo | That's a lot either way. |
| 23:44:50 | bbeattie | 45Mb |
| 23:44:56 | bbeattie | not bytes, |
| 23:47:33 | BZFlag | a few 802.11a cards bound? |
| 23:48:46 | bbeattie | yes |
| 23:49:04 | Jayce^ | dont' think so.. can't broadcast simultaneously I dont' thik |
| 23:49:06 | Jayce^ | think |
| 23:49:16 | bbeattie | just wondering if it's realstic.. It's always possible, but may not be worth the time sometimes. :-) |
| 23:49:43 | bbeattie | on different channels you can, can't you? they're different frequencies, |
| 23:49:51 | BZFlag | with a few cards on a different channels bound to a single ip, it should work. course you would need the same number of access points. |
| 23:51:09 | bbeattie | BZFlag: right, maybe 5 pci wireless cards in 2 systems, :-) |
| 23:53:44 | BZFlag | what's the speed of 802.11a? |
| 23:54:31 | BZFlag | 54Mbps right? |
| 23:55:45 | BZFlag | so figure about 2 cards and 2 access points. bind the channels. and you should be in the ball park. |
| 23:56:53 | bbeattie | what cards support 54Mbps? I've seen some 22Mbps, but that's some of the newest stuff. |
| 23:57:20 | Jayce^ | that's just enhanced 802.11b... 802.11a goes 54 |
| 23:58:56 | bbeattie | which technology came first, 802.11a or b? |
| 23:59:23 | BZFlag | http://queen.pricewatch.com/search/search.idq?qc=%22802.11A%22*+AND+%40totalcost%3E0&cr=802.11a&ne=7001&l=6955 |
| 23:59:42 | BZFlag | both specs were started at about the same time. b was approved first. then a. |
| 23:59:50 | BZFlag | now g is approved iirc. |
