| 01:03:11 | han_solo | taran, what are you doing here? |
| 01:08:33 | Jayce^ | that taran... what a weenie :) |
| 01:13:56 | brailsmt | stupid laptop bios... it requires windows to configure it... I don't get a nice 'hit f1 to configure' prompt at boot up... stupid... |
| 01:14:37 | han_solo | that is stupid |
| 01:16:10 | brailsmt | is on his 5th kernel recompile of the day in an attempt to get acpi/apm to work... |
| 01:16:56 | han_solo | ooh, that's the worst to debug |
| 01:18:50 | brailsmt | yeah, it has been a fun filled day |
| 01:20:59 | Jayce^ | never really gotten that to work all the way on my own kernel on my laptop |
| 01:22:21 | brailsmt | I would like to monitor two things, thats it, just two things...cpu temp and battery... |
| 01:22:31 | brailsmt | that isn't asking too much, is it? |
| 01:22:42 | Jayce^ | heh.. you have apmd installed? |
| 01:22:48 | Jayce^ | that was a problem for me.. |
| 01:23:13 | brailsmt | yes, but it does no good, apmd just responds to changes in /proc/apm and /proc/apm never changes. :| |
| 01:23:30 | han_solo | apm and acpi don't coexist do they? |
| 01:23:34 | brailsmt | no |
| 01:23:43 | brailsmt | hence the recompiling from one to the other |
| 01:24:52 | brailsmt | at least the cpu is faster than my desktop... |
| 01:25:32 | brailsmt | kernel compile on my desktop takes about an hour to an hour and a half, its about 10-15 minutes on my laptop :) |
| 01:29:26 | han_solo | that's nice. I had a kernel compiling almost every minute of saturday |
| 01:29:29 | han_solo | trying to get alsa |
| 01:29:35 | han_solo | now I have it, it's nice. :) |
| 01:32:51 | brailsmt | is there a difference between alsa and oss? |
| 01:33:24 | brailsmt | one thing I don't like about my current setup is that one one processes can write to /dev/dsp at a time... |
| 01:33:40 | han_solo | there is a difference, yes |
| 01:33:43 | brailsmt | so if I am listening to music, event sounds and stuff don't get trhough |
| 01:33:58 | han_solo | unfortunately I haven't seen a good solution to that yet |
| 01:34:16 | han_solo | if you use applications that have esd or arts support then you can have multiplexed sounds |
| 01:34:43 | han_solo | but esd and arts tie up /dev/dsp too so anything that tries to get it directly won't be able to |
| 01:35:06 | brailsmt | is the sound quality better with alsa? |
| 01:35:08 | han_solo | imho there should be a standard universal multiplexer |
| 01:35:24 | han_solo | sound quality per se, i don't know, but there's lots more you can tweak |
| 01:35:36 | han_solo | and if you're doing anything audiophilistic then it's definitely the way to go |
| 01:35:40 | brailsmt | as in mixer type stuff? |
| 01:35:44 | han_solo | yeah |
| 01:35:46 | Jayce^ | universal 'eh? |
| 01:36:04 | brailsmt | i am an audiophile, but I don't see the point with my little computer speakers... |
| 01:36:18 | han_solo | yeah, that's one issue. :) |
| 01:36:38 | Jayce^ | pushes his sb audigy, and 4.1 speakers up to the limit.. |
| 01:36:43 | brailsmt | i just bought an Onkyo A/V receiver over the weekend :))) |
| 01:36:45 | Jayce^ | wish I had digital speakers though.. |
| 01:37:08 | han_solo | i'm going to be doing some real fun stuff. Getting my family midi keyboard and a cable, gonna hook up to the sound card and do some digital music composition |
| 01:37:29 | Jayce^ | there's that midi again. |
| 01:37:50 | han_solo | Jayce^: I'll have to send you an ogg of the finished product. then you can laugh at midi (after you laugh at me) |
| 01:38:20 | brailsmt | WOOHOO!!!! I am getting battery stats in /proc/acpi/battery :)))))) |
| 01:40:20 | han_solo | high-fives brailsmt |
| 01:41:13 | brailsmt | sweet, it even detected when I unplugged the ac adapter... :) |
| 01:41:21 | brailsmt | I am happy! |
| 01:41:52 | han_solo | now, if it will suspend without locking up you're in 7th heaven |
| 01:41:55 | brailsmt | 's joy is tempered by memory of a blow out loss to Air Force over the weekend... |
| 01:42:04 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:42:37 | brailsmt | suspend? what's that? :) |
| 01:43:07 | brailsmt | ATM, I really just care about knowing if my battery is about to die... |
| 01:43:46 | han_solo | that's always good to know |
| 01:44:07 | brailsmt | cool... it is showing that my battery is discharging and that i=t has 3970 mAh left... (wtf is a mAh?) |
| 01:44:49 | brailsmt | milli Ampere h??? |
| 01:44:54 | han_solo | minAhts? |
| 01:44:58 | brailsmt | shrugs |
| 01:45:24 | brailsmt | wow, it has 3970 minAhts left then... |
| 01:45:31 | han_solo | sweet laptop |
| 01:45:39 | brailsmt | thats, what, 24 hours-ish? |
| 01:46:05 | han_solo | 66.17 |
| 01:46:06 | brailsmt | no, like 60 hours-ish... |
| 01:46:19 | han_solo | maybe it's seconds. in the metric system. |
| 01:47:29 | han_solo | Most batteries are labeled with a capacity in maH (milliamperes per hour). This is a measure of the current the battery can supply for one hour. Example: if a battery is labeled 3000 maH, it can supply 3000 mA or 3AH (amperes per hour). If the system were consuming 1500 ma per hour, the battery would last for two hours. |
| 01:47:39 | brailsmt | well, the battery should have approx 2 hour capacity... |
| 01:47:49 | | OK, han_solo. |
| 01:47:49 | han_solo | ibot, mAh is milliamperes per hour |
| 01:48:14 | brailsmt | thx for the info han_solo |
| 01:50:29 | brailsmt | the temp is reported as 3332 dK... oh... so 333.2 K... what is 0C in Kelvin? 3??... |
| 01:52:06 | han_solo | 217.15? I can't remember exactly (but it comes up in my physics class all the time) |
| 01:52:12 | han_solo | if I had my hp handy... |
| 01:52:30 | Jayce^ | mines around here somewhere.. |
| 01:52:49 | han_solo | 273.15 |
| 01:52:56 | han_solo | You have: tempC(0) |
| 01:52:56 | han_solo | You want: tempK |
| 01:52:56 | han_solo | * 273.15 |
| 01:52:56 | han_solo | / 0.0036609921 |
| 01:53:07 | han_solo | units :) |
| 01:54:16 | han_solo | 333.2K is 60.05 C and 140.09 F |
| 01:54:26 | han_solo | too hot to touch |
| 02:06:10 | Jayce^ | http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/10/10/cube3d.html |
| 02:06:13 | Jayce^ | way cool |
| 02:14:30 | han_solo | smacks Jayce^ for pointing out yet another thing that I can't play because I have a lame video card |
| 02:14:40 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 02:15:02 | Jayce^ | hey, Harleypig might be upgrading from his tnt2 this week, maybe you could buy that from him? |
| 02:15:26 | han_solo | ooh |
| 02:15:29 | han_solo | maybe I could |
| 02:16:08 | brailsmt | han_solo: thanks for the info... |
| 02:16:23 | Jayce^ | it supposedly can't play ut2k3, becuase of one new feature.. but any other gl stuff works great with the nvidia drivers.. |
| 02:16:52 | Jayce^ | so han_solo, HarleyPig is looking to fund his new video card... |
| 02:17:06 | brailsmt | anyone know of some monitoring apps that work with acpi? |
| 02:17:57 | han_solo | wmacpi |
| 02:18:01 | han_solo | or wmbattery |
| 02:18:09 | han_solo | you do use windowmaker, don't you? :) |
| 02:18:11 | brailsmt | wmbattery is apm only... I checked :) |
| 02:18:28 | brailsmt | wmacpi... I haven't seen that one... |
| 02:18:34 | Jayce^ | I can't remember if the kde power stuff is both or not.. |
| 02:19:21 | brailsmt | han_solo: do you have all this info archived in your head? you answered faster than I could search on google... :) |
| 02:19:42 | HarleyPig | Johnny Mnemonic! |
| 02:20:06 | Jayce^ | nah.. remember how he didn't knwo *everything* about ctags... couldnt' be han |
| 02:20:19 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 02:20:28 | han_solo | apt-cache :) |
| 02:20:39 | brailsmt | han_solo: you use windowmaker? |
| 02:20:44 | han_solo | absolutely |
| 02:20:54 | han_solo | see my recent screenshot on uug |
| 02:21:11 | brailsmt | no, I haven't... I will go and look right now though |
| 02:21:49 | han_solo | gkrellm probably has an acpi plugin |
| 02:22:08 | han_solo | so HarleyPig, wanna sell me your tnt2? |
| 02:22:40 | Jayce^ | I think he's looking up a price to sell for :) |
| 02:23:04 | han_solo | brailsmt: looks like ProcMeter would do it too |
| 02:23:12 | brailsmt | han_solo: btw, your question about devfs on the screenshot... |
| 02:23:28 | brailsmt | gentoo uses devfs, and has for as long as it has been around |
| 02:24:07 | brailsmt | btw, that desktop image is the one I usually use... :) |
| 02:25:17 | han_solo | how do you like devfs? |
| 02:25:27 | HarleyPig | han_solo: I'm looking on pricewatch for comparable cards. |
| 02:25:36 | han_solo | gets daring and tries to suspend his computer |
| 02:25:41 | HarleyPig | And trying to figure out if it's pci or not and what ram it has. |
| 02:26:18 | Jayce^ | probably 32.. but *possibly* 64 since it's new enough.. but more likely 32 |
| 02:26:31 | HarleyPig | I seem to remember 32 |
| 02:26:31 | brailsmt | han_solo: how? |
| 02:26:45 | HarleyPig | Anyone know if there is a probe app for nVidia? |
| 02:26:48 | han_solo | well, since I apparently neglected acpi in the compile, apm --suspend |
| 02:27:05 | han_solo | /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 02:27:32 | HarleyPig | I've been looking through it ... but I'm not seeing anything helpful. |
| 02:28:12 | HarleyPig | Oh, wait ... I've been searching lowercase agp ... Failed to initialize AGP ... guess it's not agp. |
| 02:29:34 | Jayce^ | depends, whether you are using agpart or whatever that other is.... |
| 02:29:45 | HarleyPig | While I'm dinking around in various logs and configs ... what're the commands to turn on the wheel mouse in X? |
| 02:30:29 | HarleyPig | Isn't it ZAxis something? |
| 02:31:54 | brailsmt | yes |
| 02:35:27 | HarleyPig | Option "Buttons" "5" |
| 02:35:27 | HarleyPig | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 02:36:12 | brailsmt | that looks right, it has been months since I have dealt with that though... |
| 02:36:28 | brailsmt | s/months/at least a year/ |
| 02:36:29 | brailsmt | : |
| 02:36:29 | HarleyPig | Found it off of google. |
| 02:36:30 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 02:36:32 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:37:30 | HarleyPig | han_solo: I don't know for sure yet, but I don't think this tnt card is agp. But on pricewatch it doesn't seem to matter ... for a 32mb card the asking price seems to hover around $30 ... interested? |
| 02:37:40 | brailsmt | I could look in my XFree86Config if you want |
| 02:37:55 | HarleyPig | brailsmt: Sure. That'd be great. Thanks. |
| 02:38:39 | brailsmt | 39 Section "InputDevice" |
| 02:38:40 | brailsmt | 40 Identifier "Mouse0" |
| 02:38:40 | brailsmt | 41 Driver "mouse" |
| 02:38:40 | brailsmt | 42 Option "Protocol" "MouseManPlusPS/2" |
| 02:38:40 | brailsmt | 43 Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" |
| 02:38:42 | brailsmt | 44 Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 02:38:44 | brailsmt | 45 EndSection |
| 02:38:47 | brailsmt | 46 |
| 02:38:55 | brailsmt | thats all I have in my XF86Config |
| 02:39:00 | brailsmt | for mouse stuff |
| 02:39:22 | HarleyPig | Ok ... that confirms what I found (except for the Buttons option--but I can experiment with that). |
| 02:40:15 | brailsmt | well, the Buttons option may not be needed for the Protocol for my mouse... |
| 02:40:27 | HarleyPig | Yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 03:02:33 | han_solo | HarleyPig: i might be |
| 03:03:40 | han_solo | have to check ol gnucash and mrs. solo |
| 03:04:16 | han_solo | scorch anyone? |
| 03:04:41 | han_solo | shoots a MIRV at brailsmt |
| 03:07:50 | brailsmt | ducks, and ducks, and ducks, etc... |
| 03:07:55 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 03:07:56 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:08:04 | han_solo | you up for a few rounds? |
| 03:08:32 | brailsmt | no, I have 428 and 455 that are due on thursday and friday... |
| 03:08:38 | brailsmt | not in that order... |
| 03:08:40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:08:48 | han_solo | i hear ya |
| 03:09:00 | brailsmt | and i have to get acpi configured so I can use this laptop while not plugged in |
| 03:09:18 | han_solo | i thought you got it? |
| 03:10:14 | brailsmt | I do, but I need to get a later version, the one that is in the gentoo kernel i used has an earlier build date than what wmacpi uses... |
| 03:12:46 | han_solo | ic. 2.4.19, or are you trying 2.5? |
| 03:15:01 | brailsmt | no, gentoo-sources 2.4.19-r9 has old acpi patches, 2.4.19-r10 has new patches... |
| 03:17:29 | brailsmt | ooh, acpi source is 2.4.20 kernel |
| 04:13:37 | Kryptik | Anyone on tonight? |
| 04:39:25 | Kryptik | Anyone here tonight |
| 04:40:22 | Kryptik | ???? |
| 04:40:25 | Kryptik | ????? |
| 04:40:28 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:29 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:31 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:32 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:34 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:35 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:37 | Kryptik | ?????? |
| 04:40:39 | Kryptik | ??????? |
| 04:40:42 | Kryptik | ????????? |
| 04:40:44 | Kryptik | ??????????? |
| 04:42:06 | brailsmt | is |
| 04:42:21 | Kryptik | man no one is up this late |
| 04:43:25 | brailsmt | this isn't late... |
| 04:43:42 | brailsmt | my programming juices are just getting going at this time... :) |
| 04:43:50 | brailsmt | I have a good 4 hours left in me :) |
| 04:44:04 | Kryptik | me to |
| 04:44:06 | Kryptik | o |
| 04:45:19 | Kryptik | I just get doing good then I have to go to first period |
| 04:46:03 | Kryptik | Sucks |
| 04:47:01 | brailsmt | first period? |
| 04:47:47 | Kryptik | high school |
| 04:48:37 | brailsmt | gotcha |
| 04:48:49 | Kryptik | heh... |
| 14:22:29 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:56:10) |
| 15:40:46 | Jayce^ | wb neybar... |
| 15:41:00 | Jayce^ | how was the trip? |
| 16:05:22 | neybar | relaxing |
| 16:12:36 | Jayce^ | ok, going back to 32 bit X... wish I could do that w/o restarting x |
| 18:24:58 | Jayce^ | so BZFlag, you want to write a summary of what you will cover for the plug site this month? |
| 18:29:35 | bbeattie | much notice taken here about the new redhat patch? |
| 18:30:52 | BZFlag | Jayce^: I suppose. ;-) |
| 18:34:07 | Jayce^ | hey.. gotta start promoting it :) |
| 18:35:22 | bbeattie | put it in topic? "Execution to those who find out what Red Hat's Kernel is doing" ? :) |
| 18:37:18 | bbeattie | The article mentions if a cuban citizen reads about the patch that they can be executed. |
| 18:37:26 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 18:37:52 | neybar | yikes |
| 18:39:06 | bbeattie | posted info on the article at SLLUG's site. |
| 18:47:34 | Jayce^ | note: need to file bug report with dia .90 on mandrake 9 |
| 18:47:39 | Jayce^ | wont' export to png |
| 20:16:06 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Do you have PNG support? |
| 20:17:41 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:18:09 | Bradipo | Does: ldd `which dia` show that it is linked against your png libraries? |
| 20:18:36 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:18:48 | Jayce^ | libpng.so.3 => /usr/lib/libpng.so.3 (0x40595000) |
| 20:18:54 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 20:19:00 | Jayce^ | and I can view png's in other stuff. |
| 20:19:12 | Bradipo | Must be a bug. :-) |
| 20:19:51 | Jayce^ | yup.. I can export to other stuff.. just not png's in this version |
| 20:20:15 | Bradipo | How is dia .90? |
| 20:20:31 | Bradipo | I have used some of the older versions before but they were lacking functionality. |
| 20:23:28 | Jayce^ | it's getting better... as a note. .do NOT turn on the anti-aliasing.. slow as a dog |
| 20:24:18 | Jayce^ | the kde version is nicer.. but you have to buy the stencils, and I dont' have any. |
| 21:53:44 | Jayce^ | wb neybar |
| 22:00:16 | neybar | thx |
| 22:00:33 | neybar | I have new windows being put in today, I had to clear out for a bit. |
| 22:00:47 | neybar | not windows tm... but real glass windows... |
| 22:01:36 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:02:21 | han_solo | those still exist? |
| 22:02:36 | Jayce^ | dont' programmers work in cave's? |
| 22:14:55 | Kryptik | Heh anyone on? |
| 22:15:02 | Kryptik | hey |
| 22:15:11 | han_solo | ison |
| 22:15:58 | Kryptik | yay! can you tell me what a good name for a shopping cart |
| 22:16:19 | Kryptik | is |
| 22:16:27 | han_solo | shopping cart |
| 22:16:49 | Kryptik | heh for commercail name |
| 22:17:15 | Jayce^ | code preference? |
| 22:17:19 | han_solo | shopping cart commercial |
| 22:17:21 | Bradipo | Albertsonline :-) |
| 22:17:45 | Kryptik | php |
| 22:17:59 | Kryptik | like ecart or something to that effect |
| 22:18:25 | Bradipo | Do you want a good name for a shopping cart or do you want a recommendation for good shopping cart software? |
| 22:18:39 | Kryptik | name |
| 22:20:47 | han_solo | Carte |
| 22:20:50 | han_solo | DesCart |
| 22:20:50 | han_solo | e |
| 22:21:10 | Kryptik | phart cart |
| 22:21:14 | Kryptik | ? |
| 22:21:18 | Kryptik | heh jk |
| 22:26:39 | tensai | han_solo: I like DesCarte |
| 22:36:41 | neybar | "Stuff that I am looking at but don't plan to buy" |
| 22:37:03 | neybar | how would you shorten that down... |
| 22:37:19 | Kryptik | Windows |
| 22:38:29 | Kryptik | hey you guys know how to take a form and send_mail it to someone |
| 22:38:47 | Kryptik | in php |
| 22:39:25 | neybar | err, I've done it in perl... I would image that some one has already written a module for that. That is an extremely popular function. |
| 22:40:07 | Kryptik | Ok well I think I have it now. |
| 23:54:02 | Bonez39 | anyone running GAIM in here? |