| 02:10:19 | brailsmt | WOOHOO!!! X IS UP AND RUNNING ON MY LAPTOP!!!! |
| 02:10:19 | brailsmt | it only took a whole day... :| |
| 04:02:51 | han_solo | anyone want a short game of xscorch? |
| 04:03:08 | han_solo | brailsmt? |
| 04:03:38 | Jayce^ | oohhh.. I would, but wife is calling :/ maybe later . |
| 04:03:51 | han_solo | later my wife will be calling ;-) |
| 04:03:57 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 04:04:29 | Jayce^ | I know what you can do... there's this thing called the plug site.. :) something about notes.. |
| 04:05:10 | han_solo | don't worry, I have it scheduled in sometime next month. ;-) no, I'll get to it probably tomorrow or sat |
| 04:05:17 | Jayce^ | that's great.. |
| 04:06:35 | han_solo | ok, I'm configuring a kernel so I might spew out bunches of random questions, looking for opinions |
| 04:06:54 | han_solo | does it save much power to have apm on on a desktop system? |
| 04:07:39 | Jayce^ | if it can use it.. and you are always leaving it on.. yes.. |
| 04:08:15 | han_solo | know anything about the kernel options for it? |
| 04:08:23 | Jayce^ | not too much.. |
| 04:08:23 | han_solo | i.e. enable at boot time |
| 04:08:49 | Jayce^ | my system that uses it best is a mandrake one :) my others seem to always have trouble ... |
| 04:09:51 | han_solo | i haven't gotten this comp to go to sleep at all yet (i.e. suspend or standby) |
| 04:10:00 | han_solo | but maybe after rolling my own kernel it will |
| 04:22:00 | brailsmt | han_solo: you there? |
| 04:22:12 | han_solo | yeah, but about to leave |
| 04:22:23 | brailsmt | shucks... |
| 04:22:25 | brailsmt | :) |
| 06:27:29 | Bonez39 | howdy |
| 06:29:21 | Bonez39 | Mr. Beattie...I have a question for ya..... |
| 06:29:25 | Bonez39 | it's about fstab |
| 07:03:44 | Bonez39 | hi lrnchndlr |
| 07:03:57 | LrnChndlr | hello |
| 07:06:38 | Bonez39 | do you know fstab well? |
| 07:07:23 | Bonez39 | having a mount problem here..can't mount a floppy, even though my /etc/fstab file indicates I should be able to...the /dev/fd0 include 'users' in the file.... |
| 07:10:45 | LrnChndlr | can you mount it manually? |
| 07:11:02 | Bonez39 | well, I can mount it if su to root, bu tnot as just my user name.. |
| 07:11:24 | Bonez39 | that's what has me confused..I read the man page for fstab..and it says if it's set up like mine is..I should be able to mount it |
| 07:12:20 | LrnChndlr | how do you have it? |
| 07:14:16 | Bonez39 | here's the entry: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 07:14:22 | LrnChndlr | and what is the error you get when you try to mount it? |
| 07:15:24 | Bonez39 | it says, Only root can do that..if as user I type mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 07:15:53 | LrnChndlr | try just 'mount /mnt/floppy' |
| 07:16:25 | Bonez39 | wow...that works... |
| 07:16:32 | Bonez39 | why do I try to make things so complicated.. |
| 07:16:36 | LrnChndlr | hehe |
| 07:16:41 | Bonez39 | thank you thank you thank you thank youthank you thank youthank you thank youthank you thank youthank you thank youthank you thank you |
| 07:16:53 | LrnChndlr | if you specify the devide then you are doing the mounting manually, which only mount can do |
| 07:17:26 | Bonez39 | I see...anyway, that helps me immensely.. |
| 07:17:27 | LrnChndlr | if you just specify the mount point and it is in the fstab, then it will allow you to mount it, assuming that the options are set in fstab for that |
| 07:17:53 | LrnChndlr | heh, it's late, lots of typos |
| 07:18:06 | Bonez39 | that's ok.. |
| 07:18:14 | Bonez39 | that makes sense though |
| 07:20:20 | LrnChndlr | now, can you umount it? |
| 07:21:03 | LrnChndlr | should be able to |
| 07:22:22 | Bonez39 | yeah, I umounted it fine too... |
| 07:22:26 | LrnChndlr | interesting, when i mount the floppy the date on the /mnt/floppy directory changes to 31 Dec 1969 |
| 07:22:51 | Bonez39 | really? that's funny |
| 07:23:04 | Bonez39 | I get email all the tiem and it defaults to a date like 31 Dec 1999... |
| 07:25:54 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 07:25:58 | LrnChndlr | do you use KDE? |
| 07:26:09 | Bonez39 | yeah, but wishing I could get gnome installed too |
| 07:26:28 | LrnChndlr | do you have a floppy icon on your desktop? |
| 07:28:11 | Bonez39 | yeah, I have it, but half the time that doesn't work |
| 07:28:43 | LrnChndlr | i have mounted the floppy, but now how do i unmount it via the KDE gui? |
| 07:28:59 | Bonez39 | I just open a terminal window...to mount and umount |
| 07:29:27 | LrnChndlr | yes, but since I can mount it via KDE, i would suppose that I could umount it via KDE as well |
| 07:29:32 | LrnChndlr | but i can't find how |
| 07:30:01 | LrnChndlr | if i just click on the icon again it tells me it is already mounted |
| 07:30:05 | Bonez39 | well, at the promt I just type umount /mnt/floppy |
| 07:30:10 | Bonez39 | oh, I see.. |
| 07:32:10 | LrnChndlr | i dont think it is working like it should, i think the icon is supposed to change when it is mounted as well as the fucntion of the button |
| 07:32:59 | LrnChndlr | oh well |
| 07:33:48 | Bonez39 | not sure..I have never noticed the icons changing that way |
| 07:37:48 | bbeattie | ahh, |
| 07:37:53 | bbeattie | need help? |
| 07:38:11 | bbeattie | I don't notice unless someone says bbeattie (I get beeped if that is outputed by someone) |
| 07:38:51 | LrnChndlr | anyone using PHP Nuke or variants? |
| 07:39:01 | bbeattie | postnuke on SLLUG.org, yes |
| 07:41:14 | LrnChndlr | i would like to find a forum module that actually reads (and maybe posts, too) posts from an news:// server |
| 07:48:00 | LrnChndlr | well goodnight |
| 08:02:10 | Bonez39 | back later |
| 14:16:11 | cosmic_isnt_at_w | is back (gone 14:57:06) |
| 14:28:22 | han_solo | why in the world would my kernel fail to compile? I know it's a development version, but they do check that they compile before releasing don't they? |
| 14:34:22 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: lol - not always. What version? |
| 14:37:45 | han_solo | 2.5.41 |
| 14:38:08 | han_solo | actually it's a module that didn't compile - aty128. The lvm module didn't compile either |
| 14:38:15 | han_solo | neither is a big deal though |
| 14:38:33 | han_solo | i just suspected maybe I wasn't building right. forgot a step or something |
| 14:39:11 | han_solo | oop, now the sis framebuffer module too |
| 14:40:16 | han_solo | in fairness the latter two were marked experimental |
| 14:47:12 | CosmicPenguin | Remember that Linus is nortorious for just testing *his* configuration and letting everyone else test the other stuff. If figure out why it didn't compile, send in a patch |
| 14:49:36 | han_solo | hehe, yeah. that would be the responsible thing to do. If I get something essential that won't compile I'll do that. |
| 14:49:36 | CosmicPenguin | I just ran through last nights messages in LKML, and it doesn't look like anyone noticed it |
| 14:49:54 | han_solo | vga16fb died too. |
| 14:50:04 | han_solo | make dep && make bzImage && make modules |
| 14:50:05 | han_solo | right? |
| 14:52:04 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: yep |
| 14:52:11 | CosmicPenguin | What are the errors? |
| 14:52:31 | han_solo | if I change the configuration at all but it only affects the modules selected, do I have to redo the first two steps? |
| 14:52:48 | han_solo | mostly undefined symbols in structs and stuff |
| 14:53:34 | CosmicPenguin | you should almost always make deps |
| 14:53:45 | CosmicPenguin | but you don't really need to update the kernel if you only make modules changes |
| 14:53:52 | han_solo | perhaps that was the problem |
| 14:54:04 | han_solo | this time I did all three so it'll be a while before I know if this iteration worked |
| 14:54:07 | CosmicPenguin | Well, not really - deps just builds the dependancies |
| 14:54:25 | CosmicPenguin | are the undefined symbols consistant, or is it different for every file? |
| 14:54:49 | han_solo | i didn't pay close attention, but they weren't consistent. not all at lesast |
| 14:54:58 | CosmicPenguin | also, are they obvious typedefs like uchar? Sometimes the right include file gets losts |
| 15:04:10 | han_solo | without going back to check I'd bet most of it was from not running make deps again. |
| 15:04:54 | han_solo | though certainly not all of it. in any case framebuffer doesn't do me much good since my monitor only works in x (fixed freq) |
| 15:05:23 | CosmicPenguin | han_solo: ack! That sucks! |
| 15:05:40 | han_solo | not as bad as 15" vs. 19" :) |
| 15:06:07 | han_solo | I do have another monitor hooked up to a kvm, for booting and (ick) windows |
| 15:06:35 | han_solo | i wonder - this mobo has onboard video and I have a video card. could I dual-head? |
| 15:06:44 | han_solo | the onboard is agp, mine is pci |
| 15:08:21 | CosmicPenguin | You should be able to |
| 15:08:52 | han_solo | have to try that sometime. |
| 15:09:08 | CosmicPenguin | X does that pretty well actually |
| 15:09:44 | han_solo | actually I'd probably want to have the other monitor on a virtual console or occasionally running another x server, rather than xinerama |
| 15:10:04 | CosmicPenguin | Thats how I would do it.... I hate xinerama |
| 15:11:49 | han_solo | but how then would I get to the other screen. hmm |
| 15:12:25 | CosmicPenguin | Well, it depends on how many input devices you have |
| 15:12:37 | han_solo | 3 - kb, trackball, and mouse. ;-) |
| 15:13:10 | han_solo | if I picked up a usb kb somewhere, i guess... |
| 15:13:26 | CosmicPenguin | Then you should be able to transfer back and forth.... if you use framebuffer(s), you can choose which kernel consoles appear on which framebuffer (read screen) |
| 15:13:42 | CosmicPenguin | So for example, you could have tty1 and tty2 on one screen and tty3 and tty4 on the other screen |
| 15:14:35 | CosmicPenguin | But without Xinerama, that doesn't transfer to X |
| 15:15:59 | han_solo | with framebuffers, can I set up my own mode? i.e. I have the modeline for X to use this ff monitor, can I translate that into some framebuffer config? |
| 15:17:15 | CosmicPenguin | You should be able to |
| 15:19:07 | CosmicPenguin | there are utilities that can do that.... I can't remember any right off the bat though |
| 15:19:33 | han_solo | I tried one - SVGATextMode or something. (it wasn't part of kernel or anything) |
| 15:19:52 | CosmicPenguin | fbset can convert from framebuffer to X - but I don't know if it can convert from X to framebuffer |
| 15:20:10 | han_solo | It had a lot of flexibility but wouldn't do the clock rate I needed. Seemed a stupid limitation, probably just never thought he'd need to support such a high dot clock |
| 15:20:16 | han_solo | or was it hsync... can't remember |
| 15:36:39 | han_solo | looked at the docs in the kernel tree about frame buffer, looks like I should be able to do it. 'twill be so nice to have virtual consoles again, and on a nice big monitor! |
| 15:56:33 | Jayce^ | ahhh... dual monitors back up.. |
| 16:04:11 | levi | I've got dual monitors on my Mac. It's very nice. |
| 16:07:22 | Jayce^ | yeah... took my second one off for a bit as I was playing with stuff.. I missed it.. |
| 16:09:28 | levi | I've got enough video ports for 3 monitors on my Mac now... built-in video plus a dual-head card I installed. 3 monitors would take a lot of desk space, though. |
| 16:10:17 | Jayce^ | wow.. now that would be fun.. |
| 16:10:39 | Jayce^ | I just want to get a second monitor that's the same size as my main one.. that can be a little annoying.. |
| 16:10:54 | levi | Yeah, I've got a 19" and a 17" |
| 16:12:01 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: are you running Xinerama? |
| 16:12:25 | Jayce^ | levi: same... |
| 16:12:27 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:12:36 | levi | Which isn't too bad with MacOS X, really. Multi-head support in MacOS has always been pretty good. |
| 16:13:28 | CosmicPenguin | Thats alot of screen space... :) |
| 16:14:03 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 16:14:23 | levi | When you don't have virtual desktops, lots of screen space is especially important. |
| 16:14:35 | Jayce^ | I had to turn down my 19" from 1920x1600 to 1600x1200 under dual monitor though... but it's worth it for an extra 1280x1200 :) |
| 16:16:09 | levi | Jayce^: Have you got a really nice monitor, or are you just willing to deal with low refresh rates? |
| 16:17:16 | CosmicPenguin | has 16 virtual windows on his desktop... :) |
| 16:17:33 | levi | I can't imagine running a 19" monitor at 1920x1600. Refresh rates would really suck. |
| 16:17:50 | levi | At least on the 19" monitors I'm accustomed to. |
| 16:19:08 | Jayce^ | levi: my 19" is really nice |
| 16:19:24 | Jayce^ | nec multisync 950+.. flat tube |
| 16:20:25 | Jayce^ | gotta redo all my backgrounds now though... so they look ok |
| 16:21:13 | han_solo | i'm all about high refresh rates. if i have at least 800x600 I can live |
| 16:21:44 | levi | Well, I've just got a ViewSonic GS790 at work, and some sort of Hitachi at home. |
| 16:21:50 | levi | han_solo: Ack, 800x600? |
| 16:22:08 | levi | Jayce^: So, what refresh rate could you get at 1920x1600? |
| 16:22:26 | Jayce^ | can't remember offhand.. but very clean.. |
| 16:22:34 | Jayce^ | no flickers whatsoever.. |
| 16:22:38 | han_solo | lowest denominator. I have 1280x1024 here |
| 16:23:01 | han_solo | on a small monitor though, I'd rather have 800x600 than 1024x768 with horrible refresh |
| 16:23:35 | Jayce^ | yeah, I like high refresh.. but I like real-estate too.. I dont' mind smaller fonts and stuff (you can modify that anyways) |
| 16:24:47 | levi | I'm not too comfortable with less than 1024x768. It's time to buy a new monitor if I can't do 1024x768 @ 75Hz |
| 16:24:58 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. |
| 16:25:17 | Jayce^ | for me that's still small.. and only on a laptop.. |
| 16:27:28 | levi | My laptop is 1024x480. That takes a bit of an adjustment. |
| 16:30:18 | han_solo | on laptops I prefer a virtual console with a nice framebuffer setting (so I get lots of text on the screen) |
| 16:31:25 | levi | I use a minimal windowmanager in X so I can see more than one terminal at once. |
| 16:31:34 | Jayce^ | x480?? slim screen there.. |
| 16:31:44 | levi | It's a Sony Picturebook. |
| 17:13:05 | CosmicPenguin | is the attbi network iffy today? |
| 17:14:01 | fozz | Like any other day. :-) |
| 17:15:40 | CosmicPenguin | I firmly believe that the cable modem is the breeding ground of the next generation of virus writers - there is some nasty stuff on that network |
| 17:16:04 | CosmicPenguin | I want to put in a honeypot, but I'm worried that I'll be the one that gets in trouble for it |
| 17:16:18 | fozz | CosmicPenguin: Do you have attbi? |
| 17:16:57 | CosmicPenguin | fozz: yep |
| 17:30:00 | fozz | Where are you? |
| 17:30:35 | fozz | I know back in the heyday of Nimda/RedWorm, my Apache server was getting nailed with attempts to compromise IIS. :) |
| 17:30:51 | Jayce^ | gotta love the apache modules for those.. |
| 17:31:46 | fozz | Yeah. |
| 17:32:17 | CosmicPenguin | fozz: I'm in Murray.... I get at least 25 or 30 probes a week - most of them on port 80, but a surprising amount on port 23 lately |
| 17:32:45 | neybar | attbi is att cable? |
| 17:32:53 | CosmicPenguin | neybar: yeah |
| 17:33:06 | neybar | really? I live in murray too and I didn't think it was available... |
| 17:33:13 | CosmicPenguin | fozz: Like I said, I would like to capture more of the code, but if I put a port 80 honyepot up, then AT&T would come after me |
| 17:33:21 | CosmicPenguin | Which doesn't make sense |
| 17:33:22 | fozz | It looks like I'm moving to Lehi. |
| 17:33:32 | fozz | No AT&T. :( |
| 17:33:36 | fozz | But they have DSL. |
| 17:33:37 | CosmicPenguin | fozz: DSL? |
| 17:33:40 | CosmicPenguin | Thats better |
| 17:33:42 | CosmicPenguin | much better |
| 17:33:47 | fozz | It depends. |
| 17:33:54 | fozz | I really enjoy the downstream bandwidth of AT&T |
| 17:34:00 | neybar | yeah... |
| 17:34:05 | fozz | You know... when I'm pulling stuff off alt.binaries newsgroups. |
| 17:34:12 | CosmicPenguin | would prefer a static IP |
| 17:34:19 | neybar | what do you mean by a honeypot? |
| 17:34:26 | | cosmicpenguin: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:34:26 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: honeypot? |
| 17:34:27 | fozz | well, sure, but AT&T is practically static. :) |
| 17:35:16 | CosmicPenguin | neybar: a honeypot is a daemon that sits on popular ports, and grabs worm/virus/crack attempts. Most often it logs the offending IP address, but it can also grab the code |
| 17:35:20 | fozz | South African shrub whose flowers when open are cup- or |
| 17:35:22 | fozz | goblet-shaped resembling globe artichokes |
| 17:35:33 | fozz | :-) |
| 17:35:37 | CosmicPenguin | In extreme cases it can also suck resources from the attacker |
| 17:35:45 | CosmicPenguin | Its like sticking sugar out and attracting flys |
| 17:36:11 | neybar | so why would att not like that? seems like passive resistance |
| 17:36:35 | CosmicPenguin | neybar: they don't know the different - all they know is that they will portscan me, see port 80 is up, and assume its a web server |
| 17:36:50 | neybar | hmm |
| 17:37:11 | neybar | I had att when I was in provo, they never complained about my server |
| 17:37:15 | CosmicPenguin | I had a friend that had a honeypot up for a week, and he got a letter from AT&T |
| 17:37:34 | CosmicPenguin | just doesn't want to deal with it |
| 17:37:38 | neybar | maybe they are tightening down |
| 17:37:41 | neybar | I hear ya |
| 17:37:53 | CosmicPenguin | I just sit there and log the IP addresses.... |
| 17:38:05 | CosmicPenguin | Sometimes I look them up on ARIN and complain |
| 17:39:51 | fozz | AT&T's reps have told me they don't have a problem with you running a personal web server... |
| 17:40:08 | fozz | they just don't want anyone running a virtual host ISP on their network. |
| 17:40:12 | CosmicPenguin | fozz: really? |
| 17:40:17 | CosmicPenguin | hmmms |
| 17:40:20 | fozz | It was a lot easier to do that when it was Excite@Home. :) |
| 17:40:29 | fozz | Before they clamped down the upstream bandwidth. |
| 17:40:41 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe I'll set up a port 80 honeypot this weekend and see what happens |
| 17:42:30 | neybar | what part of murray do you live in? |
| 17:43:33 | neybar | I wouldn't mind having a fatter pipe to the internet... of course at the same time I am currently using sisna DSL and I haven't had a single outage since I started using them last Dec... |
| 17:43:55 | CosmicPenguin | neybar: I'm on the border - 39th and 7th East |
| 17:44:47 | fozz | Ewwwwww |
| 17:44:59 | Jayce^ | CosmicPenguin: pretty dang close to neybar |
| 17:45:01 | fozz | is not a big fan of sisna |
| 17:45:02 | | OK, CosmicPenguin. |
| 17:45:02 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: honeypot is either a South African shrub whose flowers resemble globe artichokes or a daemon designed to trap script kiddies |
| 17:45:38 | | honeypot is either a South African shrub whose flowers resemble globe artichokes or a daemon designed to trap script kiddies |
| 17:45:38 | Jayce^ | ibot: honeypot? |
| 17:45:44 | Jayce^ | had to test it.. |
| 17:45:52 | CosmicPenguin | ibot is way too much fun |
| 17:45:54 | | jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. |
| 17:45:54 | fozz | ibot: jayce^? |
| 17:46:08 | | fozz is, like, President of Iodynamics and Yet-Another-Perl-Hacker |
| 17:46:08 | Jayce^ | ibot: fozz? |
| 17:46:25 | fozz | kinda boring. |
| 17:46:34 | Jayce^ | ibot: fozz++; # for being a perl hacker.. |
| 17:46:50 | | jayce^: i haven't a clue |
| 17:46:50 | Jayce^ | ibot: karma fozz? |
| 17:46:50 | | CosmicPenguin: excuse me? |
| 17:46:50 | CosmicPenguin | ibot doesn't understand comments... :) |
| 17:46:54 | CosmicPenguin | fozz++ |
| 17:46:55 | Jayce^ | dangit.. |
| 17:46:59 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: foz++ |
| 17:47:03 | Jayce^ | ibot: fozz++ |
| 17:47:09 | | fozz has karma of 3 |
| 17:47:09 | Jayce^ | ibot: karma fozz |
| 17:47:13 | fozz | :) |
| 17:47:25 | | thanks CosmicPenguin :) |
| 17:47:25 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: botsnack |
| 17:47:38 | neybar | i b o t: jayce-- |
| 17:47:56 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Lunch |
| 17:48:00 | | neybar is nothing but a vassal-willed ass-full of sheep-biting rat retch. |
| 17:48:00 | Jayce^ | ibot: insult neybar |
| 17:48:04 | neybar | lol |
| 17:49:24 | | no idea, jayce^ |
| 17:49:24 | Jayce^ | ibot: neybar? |
| 17:59:58 | | jayce^ has karma of 1 |
| 17:59:58 | Jayce^ | ibot: karma Jayce^ |
| 18:00:01 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 18:00:08 | neybar | lol |
| 18:00:22 | | neybar has neutral karma |
| 18:00:22 | neybar | ibot: karma neybar |
| 18:00:26 | neybar | heh |
| 18:00:27 | Jayce^ | really wants to go driving.. |
| 18:00:39 | neybar | go mudding? |
| 18:00:56 | Jayce^ | ohhh... that would be better.. but I dont' have real mudding tires on this.. |
| 18:01:16 | Jayce^ | just cheap stock street tires.. standard sized alloy wheels.. |
| 18:01:34 | Jayce^ | someday that will change.. |
| 18:02:03 | neybar | nice |
| 18:02:30 | Jayce^ | yeah, I wanted the better suspesion/wheels/tires of a tacoma.. but this one was such a great deal.. |
| 18:03:17 | neybar | so the real question here is how many mp3 have you loaded into the mp3 player so far... |
| 18:03:41 | levi | I took my Jeep off-road when all I had were balding stock street tires. :) |
| 18:04:31 | Jayce^ | it's disk based... so just throw in cd's.. |
| 18:04:48 | Jayce^ | levi: now that would be interesting.. muddin on baldies.. :) |
| 18:05:06 | Jayce^ | it's just hard to do true mudding in Utah.. good rock climbing.. no mudding.. |
| 18:05:50 | neybar | NC had some good mudding, not much in the way of rock climbing though... |
| 18:06:31 | Jayce^ | WA, has excellent mudding.. going on those old logging roads.. the ones cut out by the skidders when they are practicing scorched-earth logging.. |
| 18:06:55 | neybar | i bet |
| 18:08:51 | levi | Jayce^: Never did any real mudding, just exercising the suspension a bit on some funky terrain. |
| 18:19:31 | Jayce^ | that's always fun.. |
| 18:29:19 | Jayce^ | crap.. there goes the party.. |
| 18:29:39 | HarleyPig | binks Jayce^'s head. |
| 18:29:47 | Jayce^ | "binks" ?? |
| 18:29:58 | | HarleyPig is nothing but a squishy puddle of foul dung. |
| 18:29:58 | Jayce^ | ibot: insult HarleyPig |
| 18:29:58 | HarleyPig | flicks? |
| 18:30:10 | Jayce^ | hey.. he's pretty accurate.. |
| 18:30:14 | | Jayce^'s mom is nothing but a goatish ass-full of squishy dung. |
| 18:30:14 | HarleyPig | ibot: insult Jayce^'s mom |
| 18:30:15 | Jayce^ | ducks and runs.. |
| 18:30:28 | HarleyPig | cool |
| 18:30:41 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig must be getting ready to play games with the MoM clan again.. |
| 18:30:47 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 18:30:58 | HarleyPig | I have a Window's PHP question. |
| 18:31:06 | HarleyPig | dons asbestos underwear. |
| 18:31:23 | HarleyPig | Anyone else active here at the moment? |
| 18:31:24 | Jayce^ | /kick HarleyPig (stupidity .. PHP && windows) |
| 18:31:34 | HarleyPig | I know Jayce^ won't know the answer. |
| 18:31:38 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 18:31:45 | fozz | The answer: "Never" |
| 18:31:54 | HarleyPig | :} |
| 18:37:55 | neybar | actually I think that they are playing this weekend... talk to kelly |
| 19:03:57 | Jayce^ | hey tensai |
| 19:09:49 | tensai | hi |
| 19:16:48 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 01:28:52) |
| 22:47:16 | han_solo | xscorch anyone? |
| 22:49:01 | Bonez39 | what is xscorch? |
| 22:49:24 | han_solo | back in the DOS days there was a great game called scorched earth |
| 22:49:54 | han_solo | where you and the other people you play against (incl. computers) are tanks on a landscape. you try and shoot the other tanks by giving angle and power |
| 22:51:38 | han_solo | xscorch is a clone. in x, networking capabilities |
| 22:53:09 | Bonez39 | I see...so it's networked..play over a lan or over the 'net right? |
| 22:53:25 | Bonez39 | I'd like to learn how... |
| 22:53:37 | han_solo | what distro you running? |
| 22:54:01 | han_solo | or rather... if you're running debian do apt-get install xscorch. if not, I'm sure google can help |
| 22:54:35 | Bonez39 | running caldera 3.1 |
| 22:57:49 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... xscorch. |
| 22:57:58 | Bonez39 | downloading the source now..... |
| 22:58:12 | CosmicPenguin | I would play, but I have to go |
| 22:58:17 | han_solo | thinks we should have xscorch tourneys before plug meetings |
| 23:01:07 | CosmicPenguin | Last time I checked, xscorch didn't have the different wall types like Scorched earth... does it now? |
| 23:01:19 | han_solo | yes |
| 23:01:28 | CosmicPenguin | cool... rubber walls are the best |
| 23:01:38 | han_solo | although when I was playing last night with it on random walls it didn't choose random walls |
| 23:02:30 | Bradipo | Wow, I didn't know there was a version of Scorched Earth for *nix... |
| 23:02:59 | han_solo | well get it and let's play. ;-) |
| 23:04:03 | Bradipo | Is it networked? |
| 23:04:36 | Bradipo | The ``configure'' says that network games are unstable... |
| 23:05:11 | han_solo | I've played one network game |
| 23:05:22 | han_solo | with brailsmt. worked ok I think |
| 23:05:37 | han_solo | better than our efforts at starcraft at least |
| 23:06:29 | CosmicPenguin | It won't get any stabler unless you play |
| 23:07:34 | CosmicPenguin | Alright, I'm in for a few games |
| 23:07:53 | Jayce^ | xscorch |
| 23:08:06 | Jayce^ | dangit not installed yet.. |
| 23:08:07 | han_solo | cool. I'm behind a firewall, but if necessary I can set up an ssh tunnel on a public ip |
| 23:09:43 | CosmicPenguin | who wants to be the server? |
| 23:10:20 | han_solo | looks around. |
| 23:10:22 | Bradipo | My build failed. |
| 23:10:43 | Bradipo | With a bunch of undefined references to functions beginning with _. |
| 23:10:49 | Bradipo | They look like they should be part of a math library. |
| 23:10:58 | Bradipo | _sqrt, _ceil, etc... |
| 23:11:21 | han_solo | xscorch depends on debian packages libc6 libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libmikmod2, xkuvs |
| 23:11:25 | han_solo | fwiw |
| 23:11:27 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 23:11:28 | Bradipo | Bummer. |
| 23:11:37 | Bradipo | I'm running on OpenBSD. |
| 23:11:38 | han_solo | i mean, in debian it depends on those |
| 23:11:45 | Bradipo | Oh. |
| 23:11:50 | Bradipo | Well, the ./configure found everything fine. |
| 23:11:56 | han_solo | which might give a clue to which you were missing |
| 23:11:59 | Bradipo | It's the linker that is failing. |
| 23:12:00 | han_solo | hmm |
| 23:12:06 | han_solo | xkuvs = xlibs |
| 23:13:25 | han_solo | finger misplacement |
| 23:13:28 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 23:13:36 | Bradipo | I do that sometimes too. |
| 23:16:19 | han_solo | I'll set up the server |
| 23:16:31 | han_solo | as soon as I sort out which options to give ssh :) |
| 23:18:11 | CosmicPenguin | Its still not as crisp as I remember... :) |
| 23:18:43 | Bradipo | There, got it to build. |
| 23:18:49 | Bradipo | They have a bug in their Makefile. |
| 23:19:02 | Bradipo | It doesn't do -lm when linking the server. |
| 23:19:09 | han_solo | ahh |
| 23:20:16 | Bradipo | I'm ready. |
| 23:20:32 | han_solo | do you have a public ip? |
| 23:21:18 | han_solo | I should be a server. fugal.net:8888 |
| 23:21:30 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 23:21:34 | Bradipo | But it's firewalled. |
| 23:22:51 | Bradipo | Now what? |
| 23:22:51 | han_solo | anyone else want to connect? |
| 23:22:53 | Bradipo | I'm connected... |
| 23:22:59 | CosmicPenguin | incoming |
| 23:23:04 | han_solo | I guess I probably set up a game |
| 23:23:52 | Bradipo | Are you changing the map around? |
| 23:24:09 | han_solo | i'm going through some options. sometimes it changes the map i guess |
| 23:24:15 | Bradipo | Oh. |
| 23:24:22 | han_solo | or i think it might change when people join too |
| 23:24:27 | Bradipo | Could be. |
| 23:24:37 | han_solo | anyone else want to join? |
| 23:24:46 | CosmicPenguin | kill cosmi - I had the thing segfault on me |
| 23:25:59 | han_solo | not sure how |
| 23:27:20 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... iffy on the chat - I saw your message, but it didn't respond |
| 23:27:36 | han_solo | yeah. I didn't get any response |
| 23:27:43 | han_solo | or feedback |
| 23:28:02 | han_solo | ok, starting in 10 |
| 23:28:10 | han_solo | 3 |
| 23:28:27 | han_solo | "Waiting for other players to begin game" |
| 23:31:17 | Bradipo | so, what's going on? |
| 23:31:33 | han_solo | i guess not everyone has clicked begin game |
| 23:31:38 | Bradipo | I have. |
| 23:31:43 | Bradipo | How many others are there? |
| 23:31:48 | han_solo | 4 total |
| 23:31:52 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 23:31:55 | Bradipo | Who's the 4th? |
| 23:32:06 | CosmicPenguin | Nuts, he's the dead one of my segfault |
| 23:32:13 | han_solo | cosmi and jordanc |
| 23:32:21 | Bradipo | So, cosmi is dead. |
| 23:32:24 | han_solo | oic |
| 23:32:26 | Bradipo | Maybe we have to restart the game... |
| 23:32:28 | Bradipo | Or something. |
| 23:32:36 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, why don't you do that.... sorry |
| 23:32:43 | han_solo | k |
| 23:32:46 | han_solo | restarting server |
| 23:32:59 | CosmicPenguin | Funny that we need IRC to coordinate... :) |
| 23:33:11 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 23:33:14 | Bradipo | Good old reliable. |
| 23:33:34 | CosmicPenguin | ready yet? |
| 23:34:18 | han_solo | k |
| 23:34:22 | han_solo | go ahead |
| 23:34:46 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhhhhh!!!!! |
| 23:34:53 | han_solo | segfault again? |
| 23:34:56 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 23:35:00 | CosmicPenguin | beats head against something |
| 23:35:02 | han_solo | k. I'll restart |
| 23:35:50 | han_solo | go ahead |
| 23:36:04 | han_solo | CosmicPenguin: beat your head over something before joining. maybe it'll help ;-) |
| 23:36:07 | Bradipo | Hmm, it disconnected me. |
| 23:36:52 | han_solo | try again? |
| 23:37:00 | CosmicPenguin | nobody breath |
| 23:37:06 | CosmicPenguin | We're connected... :) |
| 23:37:21 | han_solo | :) |
| 23:37:51 | han_solo | 'waiting for other players to begin game...' |
| 23:38:07 | CosmicPenguin | I have started |
| 23:38:54 | han_solo | what do you see? |
| 23:40:46 | han_solo | tab switches weapons, arrow keys to aim |
| 23:40:54 | han_solo | s to select shields, and e to energize |
| 23:41:25 | han_solo | parachutes aren't implemented, but falling doesn't hurt |
| 23:41:49 | CosmicPenguin | Uhhh...... |
| 23:42:16 | CosmicPenguin | Its like you guys aren't even playing |
| 23:43:25 | CosmicPenguin | You arn't playing... how did I get disconnected? |
| 23:43:58 | han_solo | hmm |
| 23:44:03 | CosmicPenguin | Well, nuts... now I have to go |
| 23:44:11 | han_solo | see ya then. :( |
| 23:44:13 | CosmicPenguin | We'll figure this out later - maybe we can help em with a bit of programming |
| 23:44:49 | han_solo | cool, replaced him with a computer |
| 23:46:21 | han_solo | Bradipo: is it still you playing? |
| 23:46:33 | han_solo | gets the feeling he might be playing computers |
| 23:48:46 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 23:51:25 | han_solo | anyone want to try again? |
| 23:57:32 | Jayce^ | I would, but I could only play for about 5 minutes :/ |