| 01:34:07 | bbeattie | anyone use kdevelop? |
| 13:15:56 | cpenguinatwork | is back (gone 14:39:48) |
| 14:43:51 | han_solo | brailsmt: long time no see (here) |
| 15:18:49 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. my isp has a box that after a recent power outage, takes an eternity to connect to, but once connected, runs plenty fast.. any ideas (debian) |
| 15:25:31 | | i think ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen |
| 15:25:31 | CosmicPenguin | ssh? |
| 15:25:33 | han_solo | how so connect? ssh? |
| 15:25:39 | | Since Thu Oct 10 13:04:14 2002, there have been 11 modifications and 39 questions. I have been awake for 3 hours, 21 minutes, 24 seconds this session, and currently reference 84708 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 15:25:39 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: status |
| 15:25:43 | han_solo | thanks ibot |
| 15:25:48 | | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 15:25:48 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: I thought addresing was in required mode |
| 15:25:51 | CosmicPenguin | seesh |
| 15:26:07 | Jayce^ | ssh.. and pop2 |
| 15:26:09 | Jayce^ | 3 |
| 15:26:35 | han_solo | key or password? |
| 15:26:37 | CosmicPenguin | It might be the ssh trying to figure out the right protocol |
| 15:26:40 | Jayce^ | pass |
| 15:26:54 | han_solo | if pop3 is slow too, maybe a firewall issue? |
| 15:27:03 | han_solo | maybe it's trying to do an ident on you for some reason? |
| 15:27:08 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe somebody has you caught in a man in the middle attack.... :-) (Only joking!) |
| 15:27:08 | Jayce^ | tha's what I was thinking.. but doesn't seem to be.. |
| 15:27:16 | Jayce^ | once it's connected it runs great. |
| 15:28:52 | han_solo | you could watch tcpdump |
| 15:28:54 | han_solo | bbl |
| 15:29:41 | CosmicPenguin | thats a good idea - it will tell you how much traffic is flowing between the ssh daemons |
| 15:36:56 | Jayce^ | hah.. a while ago they changed the servers IP.. but resolv.conf hosts and such still had the old ip and dns.. also, in hosts.deny they had ALL PARANOID |
| 16:22:19 | brailsmt | anyone know of some good glut docs? |
| 17:00:11 | | brailsmt was last seen on #utah 37 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: anyone know of some good glut docs? [Thu Oct 10 17:22:19 2002] |
| 17:00:11 | han_solo | ibot, seen brailsmt? |
| 17:00:18 | han_solo | brailsmt: you there? |
| 17:07:27 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 17:07:33 | brailsmt | sorry I miised your presentation... |
| 17:08:02 | han_solo | no problem. it was fun |
| 17:08:20 | han_solo | so is this what has been going on in that huge thread I haven't read on uug - uug is going to write a window manager? |
| 17:09:00 | brailsmt | apparently, things are leaning that way, I for one am kinda excited about it |
| 17:09:02 | han_solo | "I'm out of it for a |
| 17:09:03 | han_solo | little while and everyone gets delusions of grandeur" |
| 17:09:38 | han_solo | I really have to manage restraint here. I can't take on another project, but this one sounds so much fun |
| 17:10:02 | han_solo | If you need a backer for sanity in design and getting ruby in there, though, I can make a little noise. :) |
| 17:11:13 | brailsmt | right now I am fighting just to have OO/C++ |
| 17:14:05 | brailsmt | i don't have any projects right now, except for homework, and I just dropped 345, so I just have 455 and 428 |
| 17:14:45 | han_solo | cool |
| 17:53:55 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: You on? |
| 17:54:02 | HarleyPig | Anyone with mysql experience? |
| 17:54:08 | han_solo | a little |
| 17:54:36 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to extract a unique username with multiple numbers from a radius log. |
| 17:54:43 | HarleyPig | Does that make sense? |
| 17:54:47 | han_solo | no |
| 17:54:52 | HarleyPig | :\ |
| 17:55:06 | HarleyPig | I have UserName and CalledStationID |
| 17:55:12 | HarleyPig | One per row of course. |
| 17:55:27 | HarleyPig | The user could have called multiple stations (dial-in numbers). |
| 17:56:05 | HarleyPig | I want a distinct user, with a list of all CalledStationIDs for that user. |
| 17:56:55 | HarleyPig | Does that make sense now? |
| 17:57:33 | han_solo | so you want all the rows that match username? |
| 17:57:54 | HarleyPig | Right, but I want only one returned with all the called numbers. |
| 17:57:57 | HarleyPig | per user. |
| 17:58:58 | han_solo | i don't know how you'd do that. I would do a select CalledStationID from ... where UserName = myUserName, for each user |
| 17:59:54 | HarleyPig | select distinct CalledStationID would be better. |
| 17:59:59 | HarleyPig | Man, mysql needs subselects. |
| 18:00:30 | han_solo | amen |
| 18:01:42 | han_solo | anyone know about oss and alsa ? |
| 18:01:55 | HarleyPig | Only that they don't play nice together by default. |
| 18:02:54 | han_solo | i'm going to be doing some sound stuff, and it appears I want alsa. What I have now is whatever comes in the standard debian kernels. I'm configuring a 2.5.41 kernel now, and oss is off by default |
| 18:03:01 | han_solo | so I guess I should leave it that way, eh? |
| 18:03:29 | HarleyPig | Possibly ... I still haven't figured out the mess that is sound support. |
| 18:03:47 | han_solo | hmm. alsa was off by default too |
| 18:08:55 | brailsmt | lol, I just read "Mandrake" and "bleeding edge" in the same sentence... |
| 19:00:56 | HarleyPig | Yay! Was having problems with my sound and was hoping it was just the speakers! |
| 19:01:10 | HarleyPig | Just got some new ones and it was! I don't have to dink around with my sound card! |
| 19:01:16 | HarleyPig | Yippe skipee! |
| 19:08:00 | Bonez39 | greetings |
| 19:08:05 | Bonez39 | I need help with chown... |
| 19:08:08 | Bonez39 | or chmod... |
| 19:08:32 | Bonez39 | trying to write to my floppy.and openoffice won't write since the owner and group for the floppy are both root.... |
| 19:08:46 | Bonez39 | how do I get around this? |
| 19:14:05 | levi | If it's a msdos floppy, it's the mount command you need to worry about, not chown/chmod |
| 19:36:31 | Bonez39 | hi levi |
| 19:36:41 | levi | yo |
| 19:40:19 | Kryptik | hey everyone |
| 19:40:34 | Bonez39 | oh, so when I run $ mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy as root |
| 19:40:45 | Bonez39 | that does not allow writes to the drive from Open Office..... |
| 19:40:55 | CosmicPenguin | unless you are root |
| 19:41:01 | Bonez39 | what should I change with that mount command to allow writes to the floppy? |
| 19:41:04 | levi | You have to give mount some options to tell it what uid/gid to mount with |
| 19:41:18 | | CosmicPenguin: i'm not following you... |
| 19:41:18 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: man mount |
| 19:41:20 | Bonez39 | well, would I have to boot up as root and then launch open office, then it would work? |
| 19:41:24 | CosmicPenguin | that wold be a cool feature |
| 19:44:17 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: mount -t vfat -o uid=<value>, gid=<value> /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 19:45:28 | Kryptik | turns away in sight of a new language... |
| 19:45:36 | han_solo | which one? |
| 19:46:06 | Kryptik | LINUX. |
| 19:46:36 | CosmicPenguin | Linux is a language? |
| 19:47:23 | Kryptik | NO I meant it as in I dont understand the commands it looks foreign to me |
| 19:49:22 | Kryptik | Oh, BTW great presentation yesterday han... |
| 19:49:39 | han_solo | thx |
| 19:49:59 | han_solo | i had vim overload afterwards. I didn't want to open vim for a whole hour afterwards. |
| 19:50:12 | han_solo | i can't imagine the overload people new to vim must have felt. ;) |
| 19:50:26 | Kryptik | That too was over my head in parts but I think I learned enought to be impressed enought to take it up as a learning project |
| 19:50:41 | han_solo | good, then I was successful |
| 19:50:45 | Kryptik | :) |
| 19:51:05 | Kryptik | I must have read the card about 5 times today durring school |
| 19:58:10 | Kryptik | Hey the windows98 loading graphic was succesfully changed. |
| 19:58:26 | Kryptik | Thanks to your help |
| 19:58:44 | han_solo | no prob |
| 20:03:24 | Kryptik | Hey bz |
| 21:22:41 | neybar | hans, you mentioned some alsa/oss problems earlier today. Did you ever get those figured out? |
| 21:24:58 | han_solo | no. not so much problems really, I'm just trying to figure it all out. |
| 21:25:15 | han_solo | I'm going to be doing some midi stuff, and the howto says to be using alsa. I'm not sure just what 'using alsa' means yet though |
| 21:26:41 | han_solo | do I have to compile anything into the kernel to use alsa? how does it interact/differ from oss? |
| 21:26:54 | neybar | I've played around with it abit, I know that you can startup alsa and then have alsa run the esd daemon. I assume that you can do the same thing with oss so you can have both servers running at the same time. |
| 21:27:07 | neybar | alsa is a sound daemon |
| 21:27:57 | han_solo | let's step back a step. We have card, kernel, and apps. where do alsa, oss and esd/arts fit in? |
| 21:28:37 | neybar | you can only have one process using /dev/dsp or what ever sound device at a time, so esd, alsa and friends take control of the physical device. Then your apps have to be aware of which ever sound server you are using. |
| 21:29:51 | han_solo | oss is on the same level as alsa, and alsa is on the same level as esd? |
| 21:29:52 | neybar | actually, you know what, I just got way confused. I was mixing alsa up with arts... |
| 21:30:00 | han_solo | oci |
| 21:30:03 | han_solo | er, oic |
| 21:30:28 | neybar | alsa isn't on the same level as esd |
| 21:30:44 | neybar | oic? |
| 21:30:48 | neybar | err nm |
| 21:30:53 | han_solo | lol |
| 21:31:08 | neybar | when you say oic in your head it makes sense |
| 21:32:04 | neybar | the only thing I have tried to do with alsa is install it. That was a while ago though. |
| 21:32:52 | han_solo | i've found that alsa's site pretty much assumes you get the paradigm of where it fits in. once I catch that I should be ok |
| 21:37:03 | neybar | as far as I understand it oss/alsa are the drivers and provide the api to those drivers. Once you have alsa installed you should have your /dev/sound devices |
| 21:37:54 | neybar | Then if you want more then one application to be able to use your sound devices at the same time, you need a sound server like esd or arts. arts seems to be the big one right now. |
| 21:39:17 | han_solo | i'm familiar with esd and arts. arts hates me. :) but esd is working just fine |
| 21:39:32 | neybar | lol |
| 21:40:14 | neybar | the nice thing about arts is that you can make arts load up esd, so you can serve apps that recognize either or both. |
| 21:42:23 | han_solo | what would be really nice is a way to make programs that use /dev/dsp use esd or arts instead |
| 21:44:00 | neybar | you can, in a round about way... arts has a tool called artsdsp. it will fire up the app you want to use, and any calls that the app makes to /dev/dsp, artsdsp will intercept and reroute though the arts server. |
| 21:47:11 | han_solo | i think esd has one too. it would be nice if it could run as a daemon and intercept all calls to /dev/dsp instead of only child processes |
| 21:50:01 | Kryptik | Thanks for the help guys going home. |
| 21:50:17 | Kryptik | I mean thanks for the help I am going home. |
| 21:51:48 | Kryptik | Decides that the best thing for this computer is a good old fashioned, Reboot. |
| 21:57:14 | neybar | lol |
| 22:12:26 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 23:33:43 | brailsmt | kicks himself... |
| 23:34:03 | brailsmt | I hosed my X server, so I have to compile it again... :( |