| 01:59:43 | Jayce^ | luk? |
| 01:59:48 | lukfugl | hey jayce |
| 02:00:03 | lukfugl | <-- Hans' bruder |
| 02:00:09 | Jayce^ | cool.. |
| 02:00:20 | Jayce^ | weren't you at the BBQ? |
| 02:00:26 | lukfugl | just finished setting up my laptop |
| 02:00:27 | lukfugl | that I was |
| 02:00:33 | Jayce^ | that's what I thought.. |
| 02:02:32 | lukfugl | hrmm |
| 02:25:14 | han_solo | hmm. orbit was here but I didn't notice |
| 02:25:38 | Jayce^ | yeah, snuck in and out.. |
| 02:27:53 | han_solo | i could bring my 20" monitor (old workstation monitor) :) |
| 02:28:20 | Jayce^ | maybe see if merrill is coming, he had those splitter to hook up multiple monitors.. |
| 03:09:14 | bbeattie | bzflag: around? |
| 03:09:27 | bbeattie | blinks, nope. |
| 03:22:33 | Mecworks | thinks BZFlag left about 20:35:50 |
| 03:23:49 | Mecworks | runs around the room and gives you a high-five then collapses, breathing hevily on the floor recovering from some much needed excersize. |
| 03:24:48 | Jayce^ | hehe.. in true geek form.. |
| 03:28:57 | Mecworks | staggars to his feet, pulling from his billfold a geek club membership card. You read a "Proud Member since 1984" but you know he was a geek long before he was a member. |
| 03:42:25 | han_solo | my brother is wanting to write a program. he's 16, says he knows qbasic (but can't find in on w2k) but otherwise hasn't done any programming. I'm not sure which language to start him out on. |
| 03:50:41 | bbeattie | any of you have an idea of how difficult it would be to port an application from gtk to qt (embedded?) There's 17k lines of code, and 256 lines have gtk calls. |
| 03:50:54 | bbeattie | I've never written for either, no ported a gui. |
| 03:51:59 | bbeattie | s/no/bor |
| 04:00:06 | han_solo | i've never written for gtk |
| 04:00:08 | han_solo | only qt |
| 04:01:03 | bbeattie | any ballparks? |
| 04:01:27 | bbeattie | the person has written subroutines for all gtk calls it looks like, |
| 04:01:38 | han_solo | I wouldn't trust my ballpark on this... but I think it would have a lot to do with how the thing was designed |
| 04:02:43 | bbeattie | does qt have widgets like gtkdigest objects? |
| 04:03:01 | han_solo | i really have no familiarity with gtk |
| 04:03:37 | han_solo | but, I know there's a kvim project that ports vim from gtk to qt. so it must not be intractable. ;-) |
| 04:03:54 | han_solo | gotta go |
| 14:12:22 | neybar | woot |
| 14:12:40 | Jayce^ | what? |
| 14:15:21 | neybar | vim tonight... |
| 14:15:53 | Jayce^ | ahh.. yes |
| 14:16:15 | neybar | some one needs to pick up the key again |
| 14:16:38 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 14:16:47 | Jayce^ | let me guess, you wont' :) |
| 14:16:53 | Jayce^ | might be buying an S-10 tomorrow.. |
| 14:16:57 | neybar | well, it is a little out ot the way |
| 14:16:59 | neybar | nice |
| 14:17:08 | Jayce^ | very nice.. if everything works out.. |
| 14:17:20 | Jayce^ | even has a nice pioneer mp3 deck in it.. bonus.. |
| 14:17:25 | neybar | that's cool |
| 15:33:50 | CosmicPenguin | Is it me, or is the SLLUG website faster today? |
| 15:37:09 | Jayce^ | dunno... the plug one is down at the moment.. gotta get with the isp.. |
| 15:44:56 | Jayce^ | pokes fozz.. tell orbit to get in here.. got a question for him.. |
| 15:48:10 | fozz | :) |
| 15:48:20 | Jayce^ | you coming tonight fozz? |
| 15:48:33 | fozz | The vim meeting? |
| 15:48:39 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 15:48:48 | fozz | I should, huh?> |
| 15:48:57 | Jayce^ | of course.. |
| 15:49:04 | fozz | Yeah- I think I will. |
| 15:49:13 | fozz | Same place? |
| 15:49:17 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 15:50:11 | fozz | I IM'd orbit and told him to GTF in here. |
| 15:50:30 | fozz | More or less. |
| 15:50:46 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 15:50:59 | Jayce^ | I need to grab his IM so I can do that too.. |
| 15:52:03 | BZFlag | Jayce^: when's my meeting? 2nd wednesday next month? |
| 15:52:22 | BZFlag | Jayce^: and are you planning to spam the other local groups? |
| 15:52:39 | Jayce^ | yes, and yes.. |
| 15:52:49 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 15:53:07 | Jayce^ | already leaked a little about it to UUG.. |
| 15:55:15 | Jayce^ | if you have a description you want me to post, I'll start the spam flow/hype.. especially good to mention it tonight.. |
| 15:55:49 | Jayce^ | bbia second.. :) |
| 16:20:43 | Jayce^ | back |
| 16:22:34 | Jayce^ | plug is back up.. |
| 16:30:08 | Jayce^ | orbit: (maybe fozz too) you know of any code already made, that would let postfix deliver straight into a DB, not a box.. |
| 16:30:27 | Jayce^ | and not just aliases that pipe into a script... too many mails for that.. |
| 16:30:52 | Jayce^ | but a daemon, or something that fits into the postfix "chain" (you mentioned some of those before) |
| 16:32:05 | orbit | Hmmm. |
| 16:33:04 | orbit | Yeah, I think you could do that.... you could have a daemon listening... |
| 16:34:32 | Jayce^ | looking at dong a webmail as part of our stuff (we already do lots of other mail things).. and we *really* would rather deliver to the db then other methods.. |
| 16:34:32 | Jayce^ | and piping into a script has waay too much overhead for the amount we're doing.. |
| 16:35:16 | orbit | We've got a mchine doing something like that...except that it has postfix deliver all mail to a spamassassin daemon. |
| 16:35:38 | Jayce^ | right.. I've got it doing that on provopm and my home stuff.. but now I want to learn how to do it in my own code.. and to a db.. |
| 16:35:58 | orbit | Lemme check my setup... |
| 16:36:00 | Jayce^ | I have one currently that just get's piped too, but I want the real daemon style. |
| 16:37:00 | orbit | Essentially you would just need a daemon that can talk SMTP. |
| 16:37:08 | orbit | You might want to inspect a program called spamproxyd as an example in Perl. |
| 16:37:27 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 16:37:36 | orbit | then you could set up a transport file for any domains whose mail you want to process. |
| 16:38:00 | orbit | With entries that look like this: |
| 16:38:16 | orbit | foo.com smtp:[127.0.0.1]:2323 |
| 16:38:30 | orbit | which would asume your daemon was running on the localhost |
| 16:38:42 | Jayce^ | k |
| 16:39:08 | orbit | And port 2323 |
| 16:39:24 | orbit | The [] tell postfix to diable MX lookups on the address they enclose. |
| 16:39:50 | orbit | http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~bell/Doku/Spam/spamproxy_spamproxyd.html |
| 16:39:57 | orbit | Is the URL for spamproxyd. |
| 16:40:02 | orbit | That's all you really need. |
| 16:40:12 | Jayce^ | excellent |
| 16:52:20 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. instead of pre-forking.. might try threading.. |
| 16:52:39 | Jayce^ | maybe poe.. |
| 16:54:30 | orbit | poe? |
| 16:55:57 | Jayce^ | http://search.cpan.org/author/RCAPUTO/POE-0.23/POE.pm |
| 16:57:47 | orbit | So here's a question, and maybe I'll take it to the list as well for general discussion, but I've heard that the forking model on Linux is almost as efficient as threading... |
| 16:58:06 | orbit | Whereas there's more of a marked difference between the two on say Solaris. |
| 16:58:22 | Jayce^ | yeah.. and the difference is amazing on windows.. |
| 16:58:29 | Jayce^ | has to do with process cost.. |
| 17:29:34 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:52:08) |
| 18:27:19 | Jayce^ | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=parrotstuff1.3125077&zoom=yes#zoom |
| 18:27:23 | Jayce^ | the parrot T-shirt |
| 19:00:07 | fugalh | gday |
| 19:01:07 | Jayce^ | lo.. |
| 19:01:29 | fugalh | hi orbit, I hear you have access to one of those magical things that puts stuff on the wall |
| 19:01:35 | fugalh | aka projector |
| 19:01:58 | Jayce^ | so what time you think you'll be there fugalh? how long do I have to wait for you? |
| 19:02:27 | fugalh | I'll be there a tiempo |
| 19:02:33 | fugalh | shall i be early? |
| 19:02:41 | Jayce^ | no job thingy after all? |
| 19:03:12 | fugalh | it's going but I did go to the info session and he said it's not at all required. |
| 19:03:32 | fugalh | so I decided the prior commitment wins. besides, vim is more fun |
| 19:03:48 | Jayce^ | ahh.. tell them about the wonderful things you are doing instead, that should help you out more than mooching some food.. |
| 19:03:56 | Jayce^ | plus you got the book out of it.. |
| 19:04:24 | fugalh | yeah, i figure you deserve a bang-up presentation for that book. :) |
| 19:04:31 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. maybe give one lsat reminder about the discussion to the lists.. and include that there will be a free copy of the Vim book as a prize.. |
| 19:04:42 | fugalh | i never took the lsat |
| 19:04:58 | Jayce^ | grrr.. |
| 19:05:07 | fugalh | ;-) |
| 19:05:12 | Jayce^ | irc/IM and spelling do not go along together.. |
| 19:06:55 | fugalh | does a dance of joy. |
| 19:06:57 | fugalh | thanks, orbit |
| 19:34:50 | Jayce^ | any sllug people here want to post a notice about the plug meeting tonight? |
| 19:58:33 | Bonez39 | oh, does PLUG meet tonight? |
| 19:58:43 | Jayce^ | yup. |
| 19:58:45 | Jayce^ | 7:30 |
| 19:58:56 | Jayce^ | details were sent on the lists.. |
| 19:59:09 | Jayce^ | also, check the topic for this room |
| 20:00:46 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: I can forward an e-mail if you want me to |
| 20:45:15 | Bonez39 | boo |
| 21:21:13 | Kryptik | ... |
| 21:45:16 | Inphothie | Hey can anyone help me |
| 21:46:19 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
| 21:54:01 | Kryptik | Ok have you ever used Coyote Linux |
| 22:10:50 | Kryptik | Hey is everyone ready for the meeting? |
| 22:12:02 | CosmicPenguin | No - but I don't live in Provo, so that doesn't mean anything |
| 22:14:19 | Kryptik | So you dont go to plug |
| 22:19:17 | CosmicPenguin | no. I'm a slluger, not a pluger |
| 22:26:16 | Kryptik | I understand. |
| 22:26:42 | Kryptik | Is the sllug group bigger thant the plug |
| 22:28:47 | CosmicPenguin | bout the same |
| 22:36:05 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 22:40:34 | taran | strangest thing. my brother's laptop freezes when I try to switch to external vga - same thing as when I close the lid |
| 22:44:02 | Kryptik | Who makes it? |
| 22:46:59 | taran | thiz |
| 22:53:56 | Jayce^ | hey.. I'm back. |
| 22:55:21 | Kryptik | Hey man whats up |
| 22:55:44 | Kryptik | The site went down yesterday and I never found out why, what happened. |
| 22:56:14 | Jayce^ | last night.. |
| 22:56:18 | Kryptik | Yep |
| 22:56:22 | Jayce^ | power outage at the location.. |
| 22:56:47 | Kryptik | Oh, I see. heh, HarleyPig thought you triped the power cord on the way out to the temple |
| 22:57:23 | Kryptik | Oh Brian wants to know what size of logo you want so he can work with exact pixils. |
| 22:58:02 | Jayce^ | tell him I'll talk to him about it tonight.. |
| 22:58:18 | Kryptik | Ok that works |
| 22:58:40 | Kryptik | Hey you ever used Coyote Linux |
| 22:58:46 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 22:59:10 | Kryptik | Ok, no luck here either How about this, do you know how to change the loading screen with win98 |
| 23:00:41 | Jayce^ | some .sys file that's actually an image.. |
| 23:00:46 | Jayce^ | can't remember the name.. |
| 23:02:45 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo.. you ready? |
| 23:02:53 | han_solo | pretty much |
| 23:02:59 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 23:03:06 | han_solo | although I have to write up half my notes still |
| 23:03:54 | Jayce^ | yup.. we'll all want 'em |
| 23:04:57 | Jayce^ | gotta write down questions to stump you in mid-presentation :) |
| 23:05:07 | Jayce^ | don't forget to show off that scp method.. |
| 23:05:19 | han_solo | well, I may put them on the web, but right now they're in good ol' pen/paper |
| 23:05:30 | han_solo | yeah, i gotta figure out why it's not workingo n this laptop |
| 23:05:44 | Jayce^ | it's not? wierd.. |
| 23:05:54 | han_solo | Error detected while processing function <SNR>16_NetRead..<SNR>16_NetGetFile: |
| 23:05:54 | han_solo | line 13: |
| 23:05:54 | han_solo | Can't open file /tmp/v209468/0 |
| 23:06:29 | Jayce^ | bad permissions to /tmp ??? |
| 23:06:36 | han_solo | oh wait |
| 23:06:48 | han_solo | scp: etc/motd: No such file or directory |
| 23:06:53 | han_solo | that might have something to do with it |
| 23:07:13 | han_solo | yeah, that works good. phew |
| 23:07:15 | Jayce^ | noticed that the mandrake 9.0 vim install give the message "not compiled with +clientserver" when I run it.. |
| 23:07:22 | Jayce^ | heh.. yeah.. bad file would do that.. |
| 23:08:20 | Kryptik | How many you expect to show today |
| 23:08:26 | Jayce^ | no clue.. |
| 23:08:32 | Kryptik | Heh |
| 23:08:35 | Jayce^ | hopefully a lot :) |
| 23:08:40 | Kryptik | Yes the funner |
| 23:09:20 | Kryptik | Oh man this is so dumb. |
| 23:15:02 | Kryptik | Do I need to take any extra precautions when editing the .sys file | I found the one that says 'it is now safe to turn off your computer' and I changed it, and want to know how to save it |
| 23:15:24 | han_solo | just gotta make it a .bmp with the right dimensions |
| 23:15:34 | han_solo | and only 16 colors |
| 23:15:47 | Kryptik | Yes but then the comp wont use that on in place of the other |
| 23:16:25 | Kryptik | See, I am trying to change the dumb windows clouds loading screen to somethink else... Anything else. |
| 23:17:04 | Kryptik | But, I heard you can seriously screw up your computer by messing with it cause if it dont find the file, it wont boot period |
| 23:19:25 | han_solo | hmm, I never had that problem, and I changed them habitually. maybe I never messed up |
| 23:19:43 | han_solo | it's just a .bmp file (i'm assuming 98 or 95) |
| 23:19:49 | han_solo | with a .sys extension |
| 23:19:56 | han_solo | with a weird size |
| 23:20:15 | han_solo | open the current one in an image editor and you'll see what size it needs to be. only 16 colors like I said |
| 23:20:34 | Kryptik | I know I have one open now what do I do after editing it |
| 23:27:42 | han_solo | well, save a backup copy of the original, then overwrite it |
| 23:27:49 | han_solo | having a boot disk handy wouldn't hurt |
| 23:28:22 | Bonez39 | back later |
| 23:43:16 | Kryptik | Ok thanks |
| 23:44:32 | han_solo | see you all there |