| 00:06:54 | han_solo | wow, thread on uug entitled "Daily Universe Letter" with 30 or so messages, all from today. |
| 00:07:07 | han_solo | I don't even want to begin |
| 01:55:31 | Mecworks | Find Quendor on a modern map. Is it a large area? What natural features of the area would have helped Quendor to conquer all the neighboring lands? |
| 01:55:39 | Mecworks | Zork is cracking me up... |
| 03:04:37 | bbeattie | woo, someone's already asking questions via the faq.. :-) |
| 03:07:12 | han_solo | has never played zork. |
| 03:07:20 | cpenguin_home | Gnu Public License (GPS) ? |
| 03:07:24 | cpenguin_home | GPS? |
| 03:07:26 | han_solo | but I did play return to zork |
| 03:12:06 | bbeattie | no, which distro is the best for an end user.. the tough questions. :-) |
| 03:13:05 | han_solo | naturally, the answer is Debian. Or maybe redhat, or mandrake... gentoo? smeagol? |
| 03:14:18 | bbeattie | how about lycoris? that's great for plug-n-play for cameras and other things.. but sllug's vender neutral, so I can't say, just tell people how to decide based on their skills and in the end, which is easiest to get |
| 03:15:25 | han_solo | never tried it. but I've seen knoppix - that's cool for a 'portable' linux |
| 03:16:34 | cpenguin_home | I've been a big fan of Gentoo lately |
| 03:16:54 | cpenguin_home | Unfortunately, like Debian, it requires you to have a good network connection, which is probably bad for the average home user |
| 03:17:37 | han_solo | i wouldn't say requires - at least Debian. If you want to burn all 7 cds, you can live very happily disconnected |
| 03:18:23 | han_solo | assuming you're happy not upgrading stuff every week. (in which case you wouldn't be happy without a good package mgmt and fast connection anyway) |
| 03:22:14 | cpenguin_home | Lets say that its at its most effective with a good network connection |
| 03:22:22 | han_solo | definitely |
| 03:23:19 | han_solo | but imho it's no less effective than say redhat when neither has a connection and you have all the CDs |
| 03:23:54 | han_solo | which, to me, says a lot about its overall effectiveness compared to redhat. :) (by it I refer to smart systems. apt-rpm almost counts) |
| 03:25:53 | cpenguin_home | apt-rpm is pretty cool |
| 03:27:22 | cpenguin_home | boo - xanim can't show the new LOTR trailer |
| 03:29:30 | bbeattie | get mplayer |
| 03:29:37 | bbeattie | links on sllug's website *grin* |
| 03:32:35 | cpenguin_home | Its in that new Sorenson format.... :( |
| 03:32:44 | cpenguin_home | But i found the realaudio version, so its all good |
| 03:35:52 | han_solo | link? |
| 03:36:02 | han_solo | (to the realaudio version) |
| 03:39:23 | cpenguin_home | http://demand1.stream.aol.com/ramgen/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lotr/132757_638498_bb8.rm |
| 03:39:30 | cpenguin_home | Its tempermental |
| 03:43:47 | cpenguin_home | Stupid 'Sorenson Video 3' |
| 03:47:44 | bbeattie | I still don't understand why people still are reading sllug as anonymous, you can't comment, vote, or do many things if you're anonymous |
| 03:49:58 | han_solo | but you can be anonymous. ;-) |
| 03:50:21 | anon | wrote all that music |
| 03:53:40 | bbeattie | bah, that's so people who our outside and may find a search hit can get an answer... ;) |
| 03:53:57 | bbeattie | s/our/are |
| 03:58:12 | cpenguin_home | bbeattie: you are definately going to need a faster server though.... :( |
| 04:01:09 | bbeattie | Um, someone did nasties, load just hit 16.72 |
| 04:02:00 | bbeattie | it's being taken care of, withen 2 weeks it will have a new home. It's just a 486 right now, and isdn |
| 04:04:50 | cpenguin_home | time for bed |
| 04:26:44 | bbeattie | night guys |
| 05:29:11 | BZFlag | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://SLLUG.org/ <- anyone working on fixing the html errors on sllug? |
| 13:22:02 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:05:05) |
| 14:15:59 | Mecworks | Hmm...What is Ransom Love up to these days: http://www.practical-tech.com/business/b10012002.htm |
| 14:16:46 | Mecworks | for one thing he'd like to get his Ph. D. |
| 14:18:14 | CosmicPenguin | The greatest name in computing strikes again |
| 14:26:58 | Bonez39 | pile it high and deep eh? |
| 14:31:57 | Mecworks | yea, he's also planning on writting a book about the commercialization of Linux |
| 17:23:30 | CosmicPenguin | is away: mmm... bertos |
| 17:46:13 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:22:42) |
| 19:08:40 | Bonez39 | anyone good with open office? |
| 19:14:20 | fugalh | so erecruiting makes me upload my resume in .doc format, then turns around and converts it to PDF |
| 19:14:36 | fugalh | what kind of brain-dead process prevents me from uploading it in pdf to start with is beyond me |
| 19:17:45 | Bonez39 | fugalh: likely someone on other end who loves paper..... |
| 19:18:05 | fugalh | no, it converted it within about a minute, so it's an automatic process |
| 19:18:31 | BZFlag | I suspect they want to retain the opportunity to edit it. |
| 19:18:38 | Jayce^ | #@$@# lost the HD on my main computer last night.. |
| 19:18:45 | fugalh | ouch |
| 19:19:02 | fugalh | sleeps better now that he has a raid-1 array for the important stuff. |
| 19:19:23 | Jayce^ | I have the controller, but no extra drive.. |
| 19:19:28 | Jayce^ | lost my private key.. |
| 19:23:50 | BZFlag | always backup your private key. I put mine on a secure box in an encyrpted archive. |
| 19:26:57 | Jayce^ | yeah, I checked mine and it apparently fell into the hands of my son sometime last week.. go figure.. |
| 19:28:53 | Jayce^ | anybody here try using two 3-com cards in a box at once before? |
| 19:29:05 | orbit | Yeah. Think so. |
| 19:29:26 | orbit | Trying to set module options for the two of them? |
| 19:29:32 | Jayce^ | any idea on how to get them to work? I put the second one in, then booted.. |
| 19:29:37 | Jayce^ | it's in the kernel.. |
| 19:29:45 | orbit | Ah. |
| 19:29:53 | orbit | Are you only seeing one of them? |
| 19:30:06 | Jayce^ | so anyways.. wont' quite let me use them... |
| 19:30:06 | Bonez39 | Jayce^: what do you use if you need fancy formatting for a letter? what is your choice of word processor? |
| 19:30:39 | Jayce^ | well, I tried runnning dhcpcd -d ethX and tried both.. it sends the mac, but then never does anything more.. |
| 19:30:47 | Jayce^ | Bonez39: usually open or Koffice. |
| 19:31:12 | Bonez39 | ah....thanks....getting open right now...setting it up.. |
| 19:31:17 | orbit | Bonez39: I like Lyx. |
| 19:31:40 | Jayce^ | orbit: did he ask you?? :) |
| 19:31:49 | Bonez39 | Lyx...I am curious what ORbit likes too |
| 19:32:10 | orbit | msg Jayce^ Well, you know how I am when someone mentions something I have an opinion about... :-) |
| 19:32:16 | orbit | ewps. |
| 19:32:36 | Jayce^ | bwahaha |
| 19:33:23 | Jayce^ | so anyways, is it easier to avoid the hassle and just get a different nic? or is there some easy way to say same driver, two cards, so use them.. |
| 19:34:37 | orbit | It's fairly easy to deal with when you deal with the driver as a module. |
| 19:35:04 | Jayce^ | oh yeah? gimmie some info and I'll recompile.. |
| 19:36:03 | orbit | Well, for one thing you can specify different options for each NIC is desired when loading the module. |
| 19:36:24 | orbit | s/is/as/ |
| 19:38:07 | Jayce^ | never done it (can tell I'm still weaning myself from distro's) |
| 19:38:19 | orbit | Another nice thing with modules is you can specidy which module should be used for which interface in modules.conf. |
| 19:38:38 | orbit | Which I assume you can probably do at the kernel command-line at boot time, if they're built in. |
| 19:38:57 | orbit | But I deal with drives and such almost exclusively as modules these days. |
| 19:39:02 | orbit | drivers that is. |
| 19:40:03 | Jayce^ | k, any examples maybe of starting two nics, same driver, different data? |
| 19:40:18 | orbit | From the kernel command line? Or when inserting as modules? |
| 19:40:32 | orbit | Or just bringing them up? |
| 19:41:55 | Jayce^ | either really... |
| 19:42:24 | Jayce^ | I guess I'll do them as modules now, probably better anyways.. |
| 19:44:56 | orbit | When you do them as modules, you can specify in modules.conf which interface belongs to which module. E.g., alias eth0 3c59x\n alias eth1 3c59x |
| 19:45:00 | Bonez39 | anyone: if you want to debug problems with shutting down...where would you look, at what log files...to see what happens when invoking 'shutdown'? |
| 19:45:24 | fugalh | what kinds of problems? |
| 19:46:07 | orbit | Perhaps something like this might shed some light: strace -f -o /tmp/shut_log shutdown <args> |
| 19:47:13 | orbit | Jayce^: And then you can pass different options to each interface as well: options eth0 <module_options> etc. |
| 19:47:32 | Jayce^ | gotta figure out what options I need |
| 19:49:05 | fugalh | a lot of times modules are smart enough to do it w/o optinos |
| 19:49:09 | orbit | YEah. |
| 19:49:15 | fugalh | wheras if you compiled it in you might need to specify options |
| 19:49:54 | orbit | Most often with NICS, I'm forcing stuff like full-duplex, 100-megabit. |
| 19:50:09 | Jayce^ | got any examples? |
| 19:50:21 | orbit | Which 3com module you using? |
| 19:50:24 | orbit | 3c59x? |
| 19:50:39 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:50:55 | Jayce^ | a 905B-TX and a 905CX-TX |
| 19:51:39 | orbit | digs for an example on google... |
| 19:52:22 | orbit | Here's an example I'm using on one of my machines: |
| 19:52:27 | orbit | (in modules.conf) |
| 19:52:35 | orbit | options 3c59x options=5 full_duplex=1 |
| 19:52:47 | orbit | According to http://www-it.desy.de/systems/linux/desy-2/nic.html... |
| 19:53:00 | orbit | options=5 sets the card in 100baseFX mode. |
| 19:53:12 | orbit | and full_duplex forces it into full_duplex mode. |
| 19:53:52 | orbit | If you run ifconfig and are seeing a lot of collisions on a switched network, you're probably running into auto-negotiation issues. |
| 19:54:36 | orbit | There's a nice little util called mii_diag (google mii_diag) that will tell you .what state your nics are in |
| 19:56:31 | orbit | Here's the official page on that driver: http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html |
| 19:57:02 | orbit | If you want to specify options for multiple cards, you do something like this: |
| 19:57:29 | orbit | options=5,,1 full_duplex=0,1,0 |
| 19:57:58 | orbit | Meaning, set 'options' to 5 for the first NIC, off for the second, and 1 for the third NIC, and full_duplex on on only the second NIC. |
| 21:00:24 | Bonez39 | well, it runs through several stop routines with the last few lines being: stopping system loggers: klogd syslogd. and then sending all processe the TERM signal... THEN |
| 21:00:36 | Bonez39 | oops..that was for someone a long while ago... |
| 21:00:47 | Bonez39 | but I welcome any help on it... |
| 21:00:59 | Bonez39 | my system freezes at that point...during shutdown |
| 21:19:57 | Bonez39 | back soon |
| 22:01:51 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Home! |
| 22:07:02 | Bonez39 | hello han |
| 22:07:08 | han_solo | howdy :) |
| 22:14:19 | han_solo | Jayce^: will there be net at the meeting? |
| 22:21:22 | Jayce^ | should be |
| 22:21:42 | Jayce^ | somebody should bring a hub and cable.. I know that works.. |
| 22:21:49 | han_solo | looks like most people want to know about "Programming in vim" |
| 22:21:57 | Jayce^ | somebody got wireless there, wide open, last time.. |
| 22:22:09 | han_solo | well, mostly concerned about net for the presenter, but a hub is good too |
| 22:23:21 | Jayce^ | yeah, they have a jack or two in the wall.. |
| 22:25:04 | Jayce^ | does lilo have an issue with having to be on the first disc? |
| 22:25:15 | han_solo | not really |
| 22:27:06 | Jayce^ | that's what I thoght.. but it hasnt' been working for me.. |
| 22:27:26 | han_solo | what exactly happens? I've had too much fun with lilo |
| 22:27:55 | Jayce^ | with mandrake it kept giving an L, then would repeat 99 over and over.. |
| 22:28:12 | han_solo | 99 means it had a hard time loading the second sector |
| 22:28:22 | Jayce^ | what's 01 mean then? |
| 22:28:27 | han_solo | lilo loads the first sector, which loads the next bit (which is often more than one sector) |
| 22:28:57 | han_solo | 01 invalid disk command |
| 22:29:07 | han_solo | 99 invalid second stage index sector |
| 22:29:58 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. I've tried installing on this new drive all day.. different distros.. they've all gotten one of thsoe two.. |
| 22:30:20 | han_solo | first thing I'd do is get the latest lilo |
| 22:30:32 | han_solo | don't trust what comes with the distro |
| 22:30:46 | Jayce^ | mandrake9 has been giving the 99 (8.2 also) |
| 22:30:46 | han_solo | then run it, and also run it with -b /dev/fd0 on a floppy |
| 22:43:33 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. moved the drive back to a master, and it went fine.. |
| 22:49:50 | han_solo | had you re-run lilo after moving it? |
| 22:49:56 | han_solo | it does care that it's where it was when you ran lilo |
| 22:51:37 | Jayce^ | yeah, I reinstalled after I moved it.. |
| 22:54:37 | han_solo | so you installed lilo on hda both times? and when hda != the drive in question it dies? |
| 22:55:38 | Jayce^ | no, first it was hdf, now it's at hde |
| 22:55:38 | Jayce^ | didn't work on hdf |
| 23:00:54 | han_solo | how are you booting? |
| 23:03:37 | Jayce^ | lilo.. |
| 23:04:00 | han_solo | no i mean - is your bios knowing to boot hde? |
| 23:04:43 | Jayce^ | yeah.. first drive |
| 23:05:18 | han_solo | so is that a separate (from the mobo) controller? is that how that works? |
| 23:05:28 | han_solo | when it was on hdf, was there a drive on hde? |
| 23:05:38 | han_solo | or was it booting hdf? where had you installed lilo? |
| 23:08:04 | Jayce^ | no, only one hard drive.. |
| 23:08:04 | Jayce^ | it would try and boot hdf, which had lilo installed.. but it would die.. |
| 23:09:13 | han_solo | why would you want it not on hde? |
| 23:12:02 | Jayce^ | I was moving cd drives around.. and the cable fit that way.. |
| 23:12:21 | han_solo | ahh :) |
| 23:38:58 | Mecworks | Anyone know of a linux program that will copy mixed-mode CDs? I've had no luck so far... |
| 23:40:28 | levi | Have you tried cdrdao? |
| 23:40:38 | Mecworks | not yet. |
| 23:40:40 | Jayce^ | as in data/audio? never tried that myself.. |
| 23:40:45 | Mecworks | yes |
| 23:41:16 | levi | If anything works, it's likely cdrdao |
| 23:41:26 | levi | Copies the entire CD in disk-at-once mode. |
| 23:41:37 | Mecworks | back to this Zork thing, I'm trying to make a copy of my RTZ cd which has both data and music tracks./ |
| 23:41:52 | levi | I always use it for dup-ing audio CDs, since it preserves the spacing between tracks. |
| 23:42:05 | Mecworks | only if you have a CDROM and CDR, right? |
| 23:42:32 | Mecworks | I was looking at it's hom page and saw an example but you needed both. |
| 23:42:47 | levi | No, you can use cdrdao to make a binary image on your hard drive. |
| 23:43:05 | Mecworks | cool. I'll have to look closer into it. |
| 23:43:15 | Bonez39 | is away: for the evening, but please...leave a message |
| 23:44:28 | levi | Actually, I use it for all my burning since cdrecord screwed up a bunch of burns on the 650mb mark when I put 700mb on. |
| 23:44:39 | Mecworks | At Caldera we were toying with making one of our images with a hidden audio track 0, we had sorking versions but decided not to send it to the press. |
| 23:45:07 | Mecworks | s/sorking/working/g |
| 23:45:23 | levi | If you've burned any data CDs with cdrecord over 650mbs, you might want to verify them against the original data to make sure you don't have a screwed up file. |
| 23:45:45 | Mecworks | I have had no prolems yet. |
| 23:46:05 | Mecworks | of course, not many have prolems. |
| 23:46:23 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 23:47:33 | levi | is away: heading home |
| 23:52:17 | bbeattie | night guys |
| 23:52:46 | bbeattie | Mecworks: post something if ya get bored. :-) |