irclog2html for utah on 2002.10.01

00:32:24bbeattiefor those SLLUG members here, the new website is up
00:35:59bbeattiePS yes, it's slow, it's on a 486, and will be moving to a system sometime.
13:06:00Jayce^ was last seen on #utah 2 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: get's ready to kill the "network admin" at his ISP.. [Sun Sep 29 03:24:53 2002]
13:06:00han_soloibot, seen Jayce^?
13:50:48CosmicPenguinis away: Off to register my car (stupid DMV)
13:50:53han_solohehe
14:08:11levi_Hmm.  My Jeep has been expired since January.
14:08:27levi_My other car expires this month. :/
15:13:22Jayce^nice review orbit..
15:18:28CosmicPenguinis back (gone 01:27:39)
15:18:48CosmicPenguinThat DMV runs like a well oiled machine these days
15:20:29levi_Hmm, only an hour and a half gone?  They must have changed something.
15:22:40CosmicPenguinIts all computerized....  you get a number, and the computer distributes the numbesr among a dozen different stations
15:22:57CosmicPenguinPlus, I had to drive from 54th clear up to Rose Park.....
15:23:26levi_Did you do the Express Renewal or the standard one?
15:25:13CosmicPenguinlevi: Unfortunately, the regular one - my fiance thew out my registration form by accident... :(
15:25:44leviI never got one, so I've got to go to the DMV soon too.
15:25:49leviSometime this month.
16:23:00CosmicPenguinbbeattie: the new SLLUG website looks real good
16:29:25Xanic[lappy]bbeattie: yeah, looks good.
16:38:16bbeattiethanks
16:39:03bbeattiewe're still trying to fix a few minor things (for admin though) also, I havn't found, and am not sure if, entire web pages can be built into the system, since it's more of an "articles and news" rather than "directory structured"
16:39:35bbeattiealso, there's some security issue with img src tags, and so we can't have images on article pages (ie, the external link out of postnuke for the pictures
16:41:31bbeattie.. or how to get the date/time of when articles are posted
16:55:47Jayce^is away: I'm busy
16:55:50Jayce^might want those cts pictures to go to a thumbnails page if you can
16:56:13Jayce^what?  how'd it do that...
16:56:15bbeattiealright
16:56:16Jayce^is back (gone 00:00:29)
16:57:29Jayce^you got anything like apache::gallery on that server? make that real easy..
16:59:52bbeattieyou/plug uses slashcode, but do you know if there's any way in postnuke to add redirecting links, or load page content into the content managers?  (ie, we have a BSD sig and it would be nice if we could let them edit pages like a normal website, ie a thumb nail page that could link to other pages... Right now you can only link to pages that are articles...
17:00:14Jayce^no idea with *nuke
17:00:49bbeattienope, we don't, but if I could create a thumb nail page, and a page for each image inside of postnuke, that would be great, sub the settings page says not to allow src img tags due to security problems and users exposing internals of the website.
17:01:08Xanic[lappy]bbeatie: you might look at phpj00k.
17:01:19Jayce^if you're using nuke, I'm positive I've heard of php based version of the same idea..
17:01:26Jayce^there are a million perl ones too..
17:01:36bbeattieI looked at plug this morning and it looks like you only have articles, and FAQ, but no none-news like pages.
17:02:58Jayce^yeah, we've been discussing it.. basically I've just been waaay to busy to finish the site..
17:03:37Xanic[lappy]In case anyone cares.. http://www.xanthor.net/~xanic/speed.htm
17:04:15Jayce^nifty
17:04:50Xanic[lappy]That's done on a 350k of data..
17:04:55Xanic[lappy]-a
17:14:19Jayce^so hans, you want to send me that poll again?  was on my laptop earlier..
17:43:38han_soloSure. lemme pull up my gaim logs
17:44:13han_soloBasic Editing,
17:44:13han_soloProgramming in Vim,
17:44:13han_soloMaking .vimrc, Windows and Sessions, Abbreviations and Mappings
17:44:13han_soloFiletypes, Syntax Highlighting, and Autocommands
17:44:14han_soloScripting in Vim
17:44:14han_soloWriting your own syntax highlighting files
17:45:44Jayce^an put that into 8 options :)
17:45:58han_solo1. Basic Editing
17:46:04han_solo2. Programming in Vim,
17:46:11han_solo3. Making your .vimrc
17:46:16han_solo4. Windows and Sessions
17:46:23han_solo5. Abbreviations and Mappings
17:46:33han_solo6. Filetype, Syntax Highlighting, and Autocommands
17:46:39han_solo7. Scripting in Vim
17:46:45han_solo8. Writing your own syntax highlighting files
17:47:13han_soloThink I'll use my brother's laptop btw
17:47:37han_soloalmost spends 5 seconds thinking about using powerpoint or some free-software equivalent
17:48:01Jayce^hehe..
17:48:51han_solos/Filetype/Filetypes/
17:49:05Jayce^in about 30 more seconds you can post to the list(s) to get people to vote onthe site..
17:56:14han_soloheh my question about a fam website seems to have generated discussion. alas no answers other than not slash. :)
17:56:35Jayce^oh you got the *nuke answers too ..
17:57:06han_solosomething unexplicable is repelling me from nuke. maybe I'll have to look at it
17:57:07Jayce^I'm interested in talking more about it..  I had planned on doing one in slash, but do not have any time..  would like to get involved in one though..
17:57:20Jayce^used to work for a geneology company, so I might have some good input..
17:57:34Jayce^han_solo: stay away from the *nuke side  :)
17:58:00han_soloi would have more good input than anyone probably wants to hear if I had time. :)
17:58:26Jayce^hehe... ditto here..
18:01:10han_solok, posted to lists
18:02:48Jayce^let's see if any UUG/SLLUG people come.
18:04:48Jayce^do note, the survey will show up on the front page, and also when you view the article..
18:05:00han_solodidn't post to sllug - does somone on that list want to post?
18:05:12bbeattieJayce^: do you know if there is a postnuke irc channel somewhere?
18:05:33han_solocool
18:05:41Jayce^bbeattie: never looked..
18:05:50Jayce^wouldn't doubt if it's on here..
18:16:37bbeattieJayce^: I can't find one, allwell
18:17:33MecworksThere is now....
18:17:47MecworksOf course, I'm the only one on it....
18:17:55Jayce^heh.. php fools  :>
18:18:00Mecworks8^)
18:18:17Mecworksbbeattie: have your asked on #php?
18:20:20bbeattienope,
18:20:35Mecworksthey might know
19:25:20Jayce^http://www.ericharshbarger.org/cgi-bin/photo.cgi?daemon_4.jpg+lego/images/daemon
19:25:23Jayce^too much time..
19:26:53CosmicPenguinI would kill for either one of those
19:28:00Jayce^I liked it a lot..  the daemon is done better IMHO..
19:42:18BZFlaganyone know anyone that works/worked for authorize.net ?
19:43:09Jayce^worked with them a long time ago..  but never for them..
20:05:46Jayce^BZFlag: you know of any gui tools for changing an X cursor (and failing that, a good tutorial on doing it command line?)
20:06:07Jayce^just reading the xsetroot manpage
20:06:46BZFlagdebian has a large cursor "font" for X.
20:07:07BZFlagii  big-cursor     3.2            larger mouse cursors for X
20:08:21Jayce^yeah, I was just looking at how it uses the fonts...   I want something else though..
20:08:43Jayce^actually a friend really wanted it (just learning linux) and now I found myself wanting it..
20:12:23CosmicPenguinThe problem is that the cursors are all window specific
20:13:57Jayce^yeah, but most apps just call a system one (most) so it would still read from your font..
20:14:39CosmicPenguinThats true
20:33:21Jayce^upgrade time.. bbiab
21:25:30BZFlaganyone contact PacificWebWorks about the job?
21:25:45BZFlagInterested to hear what they said.
21:37:41han_soloHarleyPig: do you have a harley?
21:38:41HarleyPigNot yet.
21:38:45HarleyPigBut I'm working on it.
21:39:19HarleyPigAnyone familiar with mysql regexes?
21:40:11CosmicPenguinnot enough to pretend I know what I'm talking about
21:40:23HarleyPig:D
21:40:37CosmicPenguinhttp://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html
21:40:52han_solowhat kind?
21:40:54han_soloare you working on getting that is
21:42:53HarleyPigCosmicPenguin: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Regexp.html
21:43:42HarleyPighan_solo: http://www.alohatoystore.com/harley-004.htm
21:43:52HarleyPig(the black one)
21:45:10han_solocool
21:45:29han_solohas a 1980 hondamatic - it's an automatic bike if you can believe it
21:47:15HarleyPigEven better: http://www.harley-davidson.com/motorcycles/motorcycles_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=440137&bmUID=1033512758390&product_code=1BMY12-DOM
21:47:25HarleyPigYeah, I've heard of those, never seen one.
21:47:58han_soloooh, that's a nice pic. Why the fat boy?
21:48:22han_soloI need to do a little work on it to pass safety. picked it up for $75
21:48:31han_soloruns well though
21:51:16HarleyPig$75!  Not bad.
21:51:24han_solono kidding
21:51:27HarleyPigI liked it even before I knew the name ...
21:51:46HarleyPigprobably the guy riding it though ... he was my teachers quorum advisor.
21:52:08HarleyPigbesides my dad and mission president, maybe the most influential male in my life.
21:53:41HarleyPigDangit ... I've got work to do, and now I'm drooling over that damn HD site again. :/
21:56:07HarleyPigOh! Just figured out what I was doing wrong.
21:56:20HarleyPig$' is a special variable in perl.
21:56:27HarleyPigso I have to do \$'
22:16:55CosmicPenguinis away: offffffffffff
22:39:29bbeattiewatches as sllug.org comes to a crawl.
22:43:31Mecworksthinks that there are actualy limits to what a 486 with 32 megs or ram can do...
22:49:22cpenguin_homeI think the SLLUG website is a little bit stressed... :)
22:53:52Mecworks8^)
22:53:54Mecworksload average: 11.87, 8.62, 4.95
22:55:15Mecworksload average: 12.70, 9.62, 5.62
22:58:10Mecworksload average: 2.26, 6.76, 5.22  Whew, much better...
22:58:37bbeattieeveryone give up it was so slow? :-)
22:59:42Mecworksno, I think it was the top that pushed it over the edge.
22:59:54Mecworkskilled top and the load dropped
23:10:34BZFlagsllug site sure looks bad in ns 4.77
23:12:47MecworksI think phpnuke puts out all HTML4.0 but also uses css.
23:13:14Mecworksoops... phpnuke puts out HTML 4.01
23:13:27leviI wish ns 4.77 would go away already
23:13:52MecworksI don't think NS 4.77 is very comliant with HTML 4+ or css
23:14:08leviIt's absolutely broken when it comes to css, at least.
23:14:17Mecworksit looks fine in konqueror
23:14:38MecworksI havnt checked in a GNOME browser yet.
23:14:50leviLooks fine in Mozilla/galeon
23:14:58BZFlaghttp://rikers.org/tmp/sllug.org
23:15:08BZFlagoops
23:15:11BZFlaghttp://rikers.org/tmp/sllug.png
23:15:38Mecworksyup, that looks bad!
23:15:46BZFlagthat's with javascript and css enabled.
23:17:05BZFlaghttp://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2FSLLUG.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline
23:17:10BZFlaghtml errors
23:17:48BZFlagI suspect there are css errors too.
23:18:38BZFlaghttp://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://SLLUG.org/ <- short link.
23:23:50leviHrm.  It's mixing XHTML and HTML, which is where the first bunch of errors come from.
23:24:13leviThe /> method of closing is from XHTML, and confuses the SGML parser that HTML uses.
23:25:08leviEither that, or you just missed closing the first meta and I don't know what I'm talking about.
23:26:13leviIn any case, it needs editing, but I suspect even if it validates properly it will look like crap in NS 4.
23:28:52bbeattieonly NS 4.77 looks bad, I tested moz,galeon,konq, N 4.77, ie, and opera.  N 4.77 is just incompatible, and needs to be deprecated.
23:33:08leviAmen.
23:33:26leviIt's not like there aren't alternatives on pretty much every platform.
23:35:40bbeattieThe only partially true statement is 4.77 uses less memory, because mozilla isn't much more.
23:36:23leviOpera is small and fast, too.
23:36:46bbeattieopera doesn't have many useful featuers.  It's the web, and that's it.
23:37:10leviUseful features, such as...?
23:37:14leviLike mail and news?
23:37:39bbeattieno, like plugins, and tabbed browsing
23:38:10leviEr, yes, it does have plugins and tabbed browsing.
23:38:24leviIt originated tabbed browsing, IIRC.
23:38:31leviAnd mouse gestures.
23:38:42bbeattieeven the zaurus opera?
23:39:04leviNo... I thought we were talking about browsers that run where NS4.7 would.
23:40:01bbeattieYes, but I'm not familiar with the desktop opera,
23:40:50leviWell, it's pretty full-featured.  Other browsers are just catching up with stuff like tabs and mouse gestures.
23:41:14leviIt's fast and does a decent job of rendering.
23:41:50leviBut you have to either pay or have a little ad at the top of the window.
23:42:44bbeattielevi: hmm, too bad.
23:45:04leviIt's only $40, $20 for students.  But I prefer Galeon in Linux, anyway.
23:45:30bbeattiesame

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