| 00:38:27 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: just what I posted. I get the impression they are looking for a somewhat junior person full time. |
| 00:38:53 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: I used to work with some of them, and they lost focus on the project we were working on. |
| 00:39:11 | BZFlag | I expect that they might still be jumping from idea to idea, so be warned. |
| 00:39:22 | bbeattie | Mecworks: are you around? |
| 00:39:34 | BZFlag | the stock is like at 0.10 or something, so I wonder if they really have any money. |
| 00:39:44 | BZFlag | but it would be a job after all. ;-) |
| 00:39:48 | BZFlag | off again... |
| 00:53:05 | Bradipo | BZFlag: You still here? |
| 03:31:45 | bonez39 | anyone here now? |
| 03:32:10 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 03:32:17 | HarleyPig | sort of |
| 03:33:02 | bonez39 | sort of here.....sounds like split between here and something else.... |
| 03:34:08 | Bradipo | I'm still trying to figure out why I can't upload my new PGP key. |
| 03:34:14 | HarleyPig | @overtasked = split //, $me; |
| 03:40:20 | bonez39 | harleypig...what is your work? |
| 03:44:03 | HarleyPig | I'm a perl programmer for a startup isp |
| 03:54:52 | LrnChndlr | ok, who is the postgres guru here? |
| 03:55:07 | Bradipo | Not me. |
| 03:55:48 | HarleyPig | Not me, but spout off your questoin and let's see if we can do something about it. |
| 03:55:54 | LrnChndlr | i upgraded, and can't get postgres to start up, due to outdated data |
| 03:56:29 | bonez39 | Postgres won't start due to your data? |
| 03:56:37 | LrnChndlr | i just had some little test databases in postgres, nothing important, so i can afford to loose all the data, i just want it to start up |
| 03:56:57 | HarleyPig | Did you check for compatibility issues? They sometimes change db format with no warning but the changelog |
| 03:57:00 | LrnChndlr | yes, it reports: |
| 03:57:02 | LrnChndlr | An old version of the database format was found. |
| 03:57:03 | LrnChndlr | You need to upgrade the data format before using PostgreSQL. |
| 03:57:21 | Bradipo | Is there a conversion utility that will ``upgrade'' your data? |
| 03:57:23 | HarleyPig | They usually include a tool to do that, but I can't remember what it is. |
| 03:57:33 | LrnChndlr | HarleyPig: i am sure that the databases are compatible, i would just like to know how to get rid of the old ones so it can start up |
| 03:57:39 | Bradipo | Or is an upgrade simply dumping your data and then importing it again? |
| 03:57:50 | HarleyPig | On a few occasions I've had to dump the data and reinsert it ... it was annoying. |
| 03:58:05 | LrnChndlr | Bradipo: according to a doc i read, no. the upgrade is as harley described it, dump and pump |
| 03:58:20 | HarleyPig | Oh ... that's the fun part. |
| 03:58:30 | LrnChndlr | but, even if i dump, how do i get rid of the old data so i can start over |
| 03:58:31 | HarleyPig | This is one area where m mysql is much better. |
| 03:58:59 | HarleyPig | If you just want to get rid of *all* the databases, then check whatever script is starting postgres ... |
| 03:59:05 | LrnChndlr | i read in the doc something about removing the data in /var/lib/pgsql/base/ which i did |
| 03:59:15 | HarleyPig | it'll have an option that starts -D (i think) ... that directory is your db directory. |
| 03:59:23 | HarleyPig | just back it up somewhere and you'll be ok. |
| 03:59:49 | HarleyPig | http://pics.bash.org/bend_over_tux.jpg |
| 04:00:00 | LrnChndlr | PGVERSION=7.2 |
| 04:00:10 | HarleyPig | FOr you bsd lovers out there. |
| 04:00:44 | LrnChndlr | # Check for older PGDATA location. |
| 04:00:44 | LrnChndlr | if [ -f /var/lib/pgsql/PG_VERSION ] && [ -d /var/lib/pgsql/base/template1 ] |
| 04:02:11 | bonez39 | funny pic, Harley.! |
| 04:02:31 | HarleyPig | Check out some of the other ones (not all are as bad as that). |
| 04:04:00 | HarleyPig | Check out this resume: http://pics.bash.org/employme.jpg |
| 04:04:04 | LrnChndlr | ah stupid |
| 04:04:47 | HarleyPig | Figure it out? |
| 04:05:18 | LrnChndlr | i had to remove the databases from /var/lib/pgsql/data/base/ and then change the number in /var/lib/pgsql/data/PG_VERSION to 7.2 (was 7.1) |
| 04:05:22 | LrnChndlr | now it starts up |
| 04:06:06 | HarleyPig | Isn't this so much fun? :> |
| 04:06:27 | HarleyPig | You don't want you daughter to want *this* for christmas! http://pics.bash.org/barbie.jpg |
| 04:06:42 | Bradipo | I get connection refused... |
| 04:06:52 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I just did too. |
| 04:07:09 | HarleyPig | I get that occasionally ... I wonder if its run from someone's home. |
| 04:07:28 | Bradipo | Maybe they're on dialup... |
| 04:10:27 | LrnChndlr | ok, it's still screwed up so i am uninstalling the rpm's and reinstalling them, see if that helps |
| 04:10:34 | LrnChndlr | the good old M$ solution |
| 04:10:52 | HarleyPig | Maybe just do it from source, though that's a pain with an rpm based install. |
| 04:10:57 | HarleyPig | BTW, bash.org is back up. |
| 04:12:42 | LrnChndlr | yeah, someday when i can afford to build a new machine i will go with a source-based distro like sourcerer or whatever it is called now |
| 04:13:22 | HarleyPig | :] Just take the plunge! Best way to learn! :] |
| 04:13:25 | HarleyPig | ducks. |
| 04:13:40 | LrnChndlr | not afraid of learning, just don't have the time or money |
| 04:13:46 | Bradipo | Why not try linuxfromscratch.org :-) |
| 04:13:52 | HarleyPig | Even better! |
| 04:14:20 | HarleyPig | Sorry ... didn't meant to imply that ... but having yer nuts in the fire tends to make things easier to learn. :> |
| 04:14:35 | Xanic[lappy] | Woah dude. |
| 04:14:53 | LrnChndlr | fortunately this postgres thing is just an annoyance, i don't like to see error messages everytime i boot |
| 04:15:08 | HarleyPig | I know what you mean. |
| 04:15:12 | HarleyPig | Xanic[lappy]: ? |
| 04:15:27 | Xanic[lappy] | the whole "nuts in fire" thing. not cool. |
| 04:15:28 | Xanic[lappy] | :) |
| 04:15:48 | HarleyPig | ? Sorry if I offended. |
| 04:16:21 | LrnChndlr | actually, i think 'nuts in fire' is a technical term |
| 04:16:50 | Xanic[lappy] | man, where's that brandon beattie when you need him.. |
| 04:17:44 | LrnChndlr | well, i think i've gone and done it now, it looks like mandrake just released 9.0 and now i can't find any 8.2 mirror sites for rpms |
| 04:17:48 | LrnChndlr | oh well |
| 04:18:04 | HarleyPig | chants: Source! Source! Source! |
| 04:18:59 | Xanic[lappy] | What distro do you use, HarleyPig? |
| 04:19:14 | LrnChndlr | does any here have the mandrake 8.2 cd's? |
| 04:19:32 | HarleyPig | Xanic[lappy]: SourceMage |
| 04:19:38 | Xanic[lappy] | SourceMage? |
| 04:20:00 | HarleyPig | www.sourcemage.org - source based distribution (like gentoo or lunar) |
| 04:20:13 | LrnChndlr | HarleyPig: is that what sourcerer linux changed it's name to? |
| 04:20:17 | HarleyPig | loosely based off of linuxfromscratch.org |
| 04:20:26 | Xanic[lappy] | Aah.. Which is basically linuxfromscratch.. |
| 04:20:41 | Xanic[lappy] | in which you lose most all benefits of compiling from source.. |
| 04:20:49 | HarleyPig | LrnChndlr: sorcerer actually split to Lunar and SourceMage (and one other, but I haven't heard about it in awhile). |
| 04:20:50 | Xanic[lappy] | "Type this command, and then this one. and then this one." |
| 04:21:00 | HarleyPig | Xanic[lappy]: huh? |
| 04:21:34 | Xanic[lappy] | you go to linuxfromscratch.org, and they expect you to install it using the same exact commands they publish. |
| 04:21:54 | Xanic[lappy] | Which completely defeats the point, in my opinion. |
| 04:22:11 | HarleyPig | Oh. |
| 04:22:25 | HarleyPig | No they don't, they just won't give you much help if you don't follow what they've done. |
| 04:22:28 | HarleyPig | Understandable. |
| 04:22:35 | HarleyPig | It's really just one or two guys. |
| 04:22:36 | Bradipo | Well, if you've never built a system from the ground up, it at least gives you an idea. |
| 04:22:39 | LrnChndlr | hmm, yeah, lunar, that is what one of my buds at work is raging about |
| 04:23:06 | HarleyPig | lunar <=> sourcemage as openbsd <=> netbsd |
| 04:23:12 | HarleyPig | If you know about those two. |
| 04:23:19 | LrnChndlr | the thing i like about it too is a commandline updater |
| 04:23:32 | LrnChndlr | yes, i do know about those two |
| 04:24:08 | HarleyPig | smgl has that as well. |
| 04:24:58 | HarleyPig | Oh, the pain: http://pics.bash.org/marriage.jpg |
| 04:26:26 | HarleyPig | Holy cow! There's actually a Feltch street! |
| 04:26:57 | halc | evening all |
| 04:27:16 | Bradipo | Evening. |
| 04:27:25 | HarleyPig | 'lo |
| 04:35:31 | LrnChndlr | HarleyPig: do you have a Harley? |
| 04:35:45 | HarleyPig | Nope. I'm a wanna be. |
| 04:36:13 | HarleyPig | Although, now that they've reissued the Apache Scout, I'm more of a ScoutPig ... but that doesn't really fit. |
| 04:36:24 | HarleyPig | Besides, I've already established my online presence as HP. |
| 04:39:42 | LrnChndlr | myabe i shouldbe CessnaPig, then, I've always wanted one of those |
| 04:39:59 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 04:40:23 | Bradipo | How about VespaPig? |
| 04:40:35 | Bradipo | Then VP are the initials. :-) |
| 04:40:53 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 04:48:36 | bonez39 | back later |
| 04:55:38 | halc | so, what's the topic tonight? |
| 04:56:17 | HarleyPig | Potluck |
| 04:56:26 | halc | nice |
| 04:57:37 | halc | does anyone know if M$ monitors conversations over their messenger client? |
| 04:58:07 | HarleyPig | I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 04:58:32 | halc | neither would I |
| 04:58:39 | HarleyPig | It's not that difficult. I do it on our internal network for all im clients. |
| 04:58:59 | halc | really? |
| 04:59:00 | HarleyPig | (I filter my own stuff out of course). |
| 04:59:13 | halc | what do you use? |
| 04:59:17 | HarleyPig | snort |
| 04:59:54 | HarleyPig | I actually do it to test our product, everyone knows I do it ... |
| 05:00:17 | HarleyPig | occasionally, whens spot checking, I'll see something like "I hope Alan doesn't see this." |
| 05:00:26 | halc | lol |
| 05:00:43 | halc | is there some connection between HPig and snort? |
| 05:00:58 | HarleyPig | :D Nope ... snort is an opensource packet sniffing app. |
| 05:01:19 | halc | i c |
| 05:01:28 | HarleyPig | snort.org --- HarleyPig refers to my wish to drive a Harley-Davidson |
| 05:01:47 | HarleyPig | A FatBoy to be precise. Which those who know me should find humourous. :> |
| 05:01:50 | halc | yeah, i caught that earlier |
| 05:02:39 | HarleyPig | snort is cool ... I can even pick up images and other binary data being transferred ... and I *know* at least one of my cow-orkers doesn't know that. |
| 05:02:58 | halc | lol |
| 05:03:19 | halc | i could see you finding out stuff you didn't want to know |
| 05:03:29 | HarleyPig | Oh, I want to know everything. |
| 05:03:38 | HarleyPig | The more I know, the better prepared I am. |
| 05:03:41 | halc | still, i can't see M$ monitoring all convos |
| 05:03:57 | HarleyPig | Oh, I doubt they have anyone listening in. |
| 05:04:06 | HarleyPig | They probably have a neural net. |
| 05:05:05 | halc | fine, lets talk about bikes again |
| 05:05:14 | halc | i like those west coast choppers |
| 05:05:14 | HarleyPig | It's just text after all ... easilly compressed. They probably use less than 1GB/day after analyses and compression. |
| 05:05:15 | HarleyPig | Ok. |
| 05:05:35 | halc | WCC are tite |
| 05:05:42 | HarleyPig | I like Schwinn. |
| 05:05:47 | HarleyPig | Oh, wait. |
| 05:06:24 | halc | *regis* it said my other one was taken |
| 05:06:29 | HarleyPig | I dunno ... they're too waspish for me. |
| 05:07:17 | halc | waspish, huh? I can see what you mean |
| 05:08:49 | halc | reg, since when have you had an ipaq? |
| 05:09:07 | regis | it's just my i-appliance |
| 05:09:19 | halc | oh, i c |
| 05:09:39 | regis | it's pretty slick, though |
| 05:09:50 | halc | did you buy a USB-2-ethernet adapter or something? |
| 05:09:54 | regis | yeah |
| 05:10:03 | halc | how does that work for you? |
| 05:10:15 | HarleyPig | But of course ... I'd look like an orange on a toothpick riding that thing. |
| 05:10:26 | regis | now I can log into my other boxen and run any X apps I want... |
| 05:10:39 | regis | It's mostly just a dumb terminal |
| 05:10:54 | halc | did it just recognize it, or did you have to do something? |
| 05:11:06 | regis | jailbait has the drivers built in |
| 05:11:09 | halc | what can it do, 1Mbps? |
| 05:11:29 | regis | it does 10/100 |
| 05:11:37 | halc | nice |
| 05:11:39 | regis | only $19 at justdeals |
| 05:11:45 | regis | I highly recommend it. |
| 05:12:18 | halc | i think i saw them for cheaperm last time i looked |
| 05:12:27 | halc | still, why not buy a NIC |
| 05:12:46 | regis | this little thing won't take a nic |
| 05:12:57 | regis | the only I/O you can do is through the USB ports |
| 05:13:12 | regis | oh, it has a modem hole, too |
| 05:13:14 | halc | how many USB does it have? |
| 05:13:16 | regis | 4 |
| 05:13:27 | halc | wow, that should be good enough |
| 05:13:31 | regis | yeah |
| 05:13:51 | regis | I need to get the newest version of jailbait and see if it has USB mouse support |
| 05:13:59 | regis | that would be _really_ nice |
| 05:16:45 | regis | man, that was like half an hour installing... |
| 05:23:34 | regis | just about anything is still open |
| 05:51:53 | BZFlag | drops in again. |
| 05:52:18 | Bradipo | hello. |
| 05:52:31 | Bradipo | Still wrestling with PGP here. |
| 05:53:23 | Bradipo | I managed to change the date on the subkey... |
| 05:54:19 | Bradipo | I copied my keyring to my laptop and set the system time one day before it expired, then changed the expiration date on the key for 1 day. |
| 05:54:44 | Bradipo | So, now it shows the right expiration time, but I don't know how precise it keeps track of the expiration. |
| 06:00:18 | Bradipo | Well, night all. |
| 06:06:36 | HarleyPig | nasty bug: 14055 |
| 13:08:02 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:40:18) |
| 16:07:31 | Jayce^ | hey orbit.. looks like my problem the other day was solved by recompiling.. |
| 19:09:16 | Bonez39 | hola |
| 19:09:36 | Jayce^ | oi |
| 19:09:42 | Bonez39 | guten Tag |
| 19:12:51 | Bonez39 | Jayce, are you interested in helping me figure out my shutdown problem? Here's what happens: I try to shut down my linux system, and several of the routines flash by....with the final line reading "sending all processes the TERM signal" and it freezes at that point...no response after |
| 19:14:35 | Jayce^ | bom dia |
| 19:15:07 | Bonez39 | eh? |
| 19:23:35 | Jayce^ | hrmmm |
| 20:28:03 | Bonez39 | boo |
| 20:36:39 | levi | Eeek. |
| 20:56:00 | Bonez39 | levi? |
| 20:56:09 | levi | Hmm? |
| 20:56:19 | Bonez39 | actual life.....wow.. |
| 20:56:38 | levi | Crazy, eh? |
| 20:56:40 | Bonez39 | did you attend the show levi? |
| 20:56:42 | Bonez39 | yeah, crazy |
| 20:57:11 | levi | Which show? |
| 20:57:42 | Bonez39 | the one at the Salt Palace |
| 20:57:59 | levi | What show was at the Salt Palace? |
| 20:58:22 | levi | Obviously I wasn't there, since I don't know anything about it. |
| 21:02:02 | Bonez39 | oh, the Salt Lake Business and Computer Show |
| 21:22:08 | BZFlag | Mecworks: I need my serial cable. ;-) |
| 21:29:10 | Mecworks | BZFlag: I just sent mail to Brandon about it. |
| 21:33:42 | BZFlag | where are the devices, cable, and dolly? |
| 21:34:19 | Mecworks | The devices, and the dolly are with me. Brandon forgot to put the cable in with the stuff I brought with me. |
| 21:34:39 | Mecworks | So, he has the serial cable. |
| 21:35:06 | Mecworks | Are you in the office now? |
| 21:35:19 | BZFlag | yep |
| 21:35:41 | Mecworks | I can bring all that I have over to you ASAP. |
| 21:36:19 | Mecworks | BTW, My room mate Tomas wants to know if you know where he can get a new or used Zaurus. |
| 21:38:13 | BZFlag | new, amazon. ;-) used? ebay |
| 21:38:34 | BZFlag | I'm playing with the new (unreleased) 5600 xscale unit now. |
| 21:39:51 | Mecworks | cool! |
| 21:40:15 | Mecworks | Yea, he's addicted to the mastermind game... |
| 21:40:58 | BZFlag | heh. note that qtopia runs on the ipaq family as well. but no keyboard there. |
| 21:41:15 | BZFlag | did the gps demo go well then? |
| 21:41:46 | BZFlag | oh, I'm in the office, and should be here for a while. if you can drop them off that would be great. same "bang on the window" interface. |
| 21:53:03 | Mecworks | Yea, the GPS demo went great. We couldn't get a signal inside the expo center but were able to talk to the GPS. I don't know if Brandon was able to get the Zaurus talking with the GPS though. |
| 21:53:09 | Mecworks | I'll be over in a little bit... |
| 22:04:43 | BZFlag | ok |
| 22:14:25 | BZFlag | crap. now I've messed up my 5600 and need th serial cable to recover. |
| 22:14:47 | levi | Whoops. :) |
| 22:23:20 | Jayce^ | oh, BZFlag.. about that gpg presentation and key signing party... how's the 2nd wednesday in November sound? |
| 22:35:59 | BZFlag | Jayce^: should be fine. you planning to invite the other LUGs then? |
| 22:48:04 | Bradipo | BZFlag: I sent an email to MIT to see why their keyserver won't take my key. |
| 22:48:06 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:48:49 | Bradipo | But it's not just their server. |
| 22:49:08 | Bradipo | I don't know what could be wrong with the key though. |
| 23:10:53 | BZFlag | Bradipo: might be time to just make a new key then. =( |
| 23:38:48 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I just got marcs e-mail about the z's serial cable. When do you need them? I don't know anyone who goes down there, or will until monday, (which is probably Jim who lives a bit away from me) |
