| 01:14:26 | Mecworks | Hey brandon |
| 01:24:05 | bbeattie | hey |
| 01:24:23 | bbeattie | you misstyped in your e-mail, you said "one which and anothet black" |
| 01:24:41 | bbeattie | s/anothet/another (for me) |
| 01:25:08 | bbeattie | Mecworks: also, I still have tims zaurus serial cord, and your gender-bender |
| 01:34:51 | Xanic[lappy] | Why hello! |
| 01:34:54 | Xanic[lappy] | <- Chris Doyle |
| 01:45:35 | bbeattie | hello |
| 01:46:34 | bbeattie | welcome to #sllug^H^H^H^H^H^H #utah |
| 01:46:42 | Xanic[lappy] | Guess we don't get many of the hardcore GNU guys here, hmm? :) |
| 01:48:06 | bbeattie | we do |
| 01:48:06 | bbeattie | many are gone tonight. There are several utah valley GNU'ers here |
| 01:53:51 | Xanic[lappy] | (Referring to the channel being on openprojects, the only irc network in history to supposedly require donations to operate.) |
| 01:53:52 | Xanic[lappy] | but that's a fairly touch subject for some people, so take it with a grain of salt. |
| 01:53:52 | Xanic[lappy] | :) |
| 01:53:53 | Xanic[lappy] | er touchy |
| 01:53:54 | bbeattie | there have been some touchy areas for that lately, yes. |
| 01:53:54 | LrnChndlr | someone is hammering my webserver right now, how can i block it? |
| 01:53:54 | Xanic[lappy] | ipchains or iptables |
| 01:53:55 | LrnChndlr | nah |
| 01:53:55 | Xanic[lappy] | you use one of them, surely? |
| 01:53:55 | LrnChndlr | is there a way to stop it via the webserver? |
| 01:53:55 | Xanic[lappy] | what's the point? |
| 01:53:55 | Xanic[lappy] | By the time it's reached the webserver, you've already wasted a bit of traffic. |
| 01:53:55 | LrnChndlr | no, i have a router which only allows certain ports |
| 01:53:56 | LrnChndlr | yeah, i guess i can just diable it at the router for a while until the person gets the hint and goes away |
| 01:53:56 | LrnChndlr | well, looks like they have already stopped, nevermind |
| 01:53:56 | bbeattie | LrnChndlr: what type of hammering? Bots can do that if they're cachine your website (AOL is often one of them) or is it DOS type hammering? |
| 01:53:57 | LrnChndlr | bbeattie: nope, looks like some kind of exploit bot |
| 01:53:57 | bbeattie | LrnChndlr: what url was it attempting? (from your access log?) |
| 01:53:57 | LrnChndlr | a whole bunch of hits like this: |
| 01:53:57 | LrnChndlr | 64.41.142.75 - - [25/Sep/2002:20:53:52 -0600] "GET /postgres/ HTTP/1.1" 404 215 |
| 01:53:57 | LrnChndlr | "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11, U; Nessus)" |
| 01:53:57 | LrnChndlr | 64.41.142.75 - - [25/Sep/2002:20:53:52 -0600] "GET /fcgi-bin/echo.exe?foo=<SCRIPT>alert(document.domain)</SCRIPT> HTTP/1.1" 404 223 "-" "-" |
| 01:53:58 | LrnChndlr | 64.41.142.75 - - [25/Sep/2002:20:53:52 -0600] "GET cgi-bin/test-cgi.bat?|echo HTTP/1.1" 400 293 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11, U; Nessus)" |
| 01:53:58 | LrnChndlr | 64.41.142.75 - - [25/Sep/2002:20:53:52 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 6537 "-" "-" |
| 01:53:58 | LrnChndlr | 64.41.142.75 - - [25/Sep/2002:20:54:11 -0600] "GET /cgi-bin/x1.htm HTTP/1.1" 404 220 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11, U; Nessus)" |
| 01:53:58 | LrnChndlr | sorry for the flood :) |
| 01:53:58 | Xanic[lappy] | Please try and paste only 2 or 3 things at a time. |
| 01:54:56 | LrnChndlr | there is about 6 or 7 hits per second trying different files and exploits |
| 01:55:24 | Xanic[lappy] | Could be nessus? |
| 01:55:40 | bbeattie | lrndchndlr: my guess it's an IIS worm, there's an apache worm going about, but I figure it is not that since it's attemping a .exe and .bat |
| 01:57:07 | Xanic[lappy] | There is an mod_ssl worm going about. NOT an apache worm. |
| 01:58:47 | Xanic[lappy] | That's important, as mod_ssl is a 3rd party module for apache, and apache continues to have a flawless security record. |
| 02:00:33 | LrnChndlr | actually, isn't it an openssl worm that affects services that use it, for example mod_ssl and openssh? |
| 02:01:05 | LrnChndlr | i had the openssl, openssh, and mod_ssl patches before the work ever started up |
| 02:01:10 | Xanic[lappy] | Right. |
| 02:01:11 | LrnChndlr | work-womr |
| 02:02:09 | LrnChndlr | i'm looking in my webserver log right now, and it looks like this has been a frequent occurence over the last week or so |
| 02:02:40 | LrnChndlr | i am getting hit with exploit robots about 2 or 3 times a day from various hosts and IP's |
| 02:04:07 | LrnChndlr | this last one looks like it lasted for about 9 minutes |
| 02:04:25 | LrnChndlr | the lights on my hub and router were going nuts |
| 02:06:35 | LrnChndlr | around 2000 hits |
| 02:06:40 | LrnChndlr | from one IP |
| 02:07:28 | LrnChndlr | it would be nice if there were some kind of program that could detect one of these scans on the fly and block that host for a few days |
| 02:08:46 | Xanic[lappy] | There are actually a few different solutions to do just that. |
| 02:09:31 | Xanic[lappy] | I'll try and find one for you, if you'd like. |
| 02:09:47 | LrnChndlr | any names you could point me towards? |
| 02:09:47 | LrnChndlr | thanks |
| 02:14:28 | Xanic[lappy] | http://freshmeat.net/portsentry |
| 02:14:28 | Mecworks | bbeattie: OK, I'll have to get them from you next time we meet. BTW, do you know of any wardriving sovtware? |
| 02:14:48 | Xanic[lappy] | Mecworks: kismet rocks. |
| 02:15:03 | Xanic[lappy] | Oh. It's you, marc. |
| 02:15:20 | Mecworks | yes |
| 02:15:33 | Mecworks | does it work with GPS too? |
| 02:15:50 | bbeattie | Mecworks: kismet is popular, both laptop and zaurus |
| 02:15:51 | Xanic[lappy] | I am pretty sure. |
| 02:16:04 | Mecworks | cool, I'll check it out... |
| 02:16:05 | bbeattie | and yes |
| 02:16:42 | bbeattie | kismet will write to log files the acces point hardware, gps location of signal strengths, speed, quality, noise, etc. |
| 02:16:52 | Xanic[lappy] | www.kismetwireless.net |
| 02:17:07 | Mecworks | very cool.... |
| 02:17:14 | bbeattie | Mecworks: kismet has many, many options, and information it tracks and can detect. |
| 02:17:19 | Mecworks | \I need to map out utah valley... 8^) |
| 02:19:45 | Xanic[lappy] | Mecworks: one thing I missed about your presenation on GPS and linux, is how much those little GPSs cost (For example, the one you have.) |
| 02:21:21 | Mecworks | the one I have is the GPS III+ (an older model). It has been replaced by the GPS V (both Garmin). They still sell both, it's just not the top of the line anymore. It use to cost about 400.00 and now can be had for about 260.00 new |
| 02:21:56 | Mecworks | The GPS V is retail 500.00 but streep price is about 410.00 - 425.00 |
| 02:22:14 | Mecworks | s/streep/street/g |
| 02:22:26 | Mecworks | its a really nice unit. |
| 02:22:30 | LrnChndlr | i sold one of those GPS III+'s on ebay for 350 or so a couple of years ago |
| 02:22:41 | Xanic[lappy] | Cool. Still kind of an expensive toy, but cool. :) |
| 02:22:45 | Mecworks | yea, it's still a reat GPS. |
| 02:23:00 | Mecworks | Tool! Tools can be justifies, toys cant... 8^) |
| 02:23:04 | Xanic[lappy] | Hehe. |
| 02:23:06 | Xanic[lappy] | Tools. Yes. |
| 02:23:32 | LrnChndlr | Mecworks: does the model of GPS affect the resolution? |
| 02:23:53 | Mecworks | I never get lost when going to a confrence in a new city now. Just mark the hotel and take off walking or taxi or bus, train - whatever.... |
| 02:23:55 | LrnChndlr | by resolution i mean 'accurate within...' |
| 02:24:01 | Mecworks | sometimes. |
| 02:24:27 | Xanic[lappy] | Hehe Mecworks: |
| 02:24:28 | Mecworks | really cheep ones may not have a good antenna but that is becoming less and less a worry. |
| 02:25:02 | Xanic[lappy] | So is the GPS V worth the price, over the GPS III+ ? |
| 02:25:08 | LrnChndlr | how many satelites have to be in view to get a good triangulation? |
| 02:25:28 | Mecworks | The more expensive ones have more features, map memory, mapping, elevation (barometric altimiters vs GPS (which is less accurate)), etc. |
| 02:26:21 | Xanic[lappy] | I'm mostly only interested in features that work on the unit in linux. |
| 02:26:37 | Mecworks | you need at least 3 with good signals for triangulation the more the better. 3 will get you accuracy of about 40 feet. I typicaly get 8 to 10. With good signals I get accuracy of 10 feet. |
| 02:27:17 | Mecworks | Most features are accessible from linux as any comuputer utilites are data-transfer oriented. |
| 02:28:01 | Mecworks | grabing the current position and then doing somethig with it on Linux is for the application to handle - not the GPS. |
| 02:28:33 | Xanic[lappy] | Right, but the support is there. cool. |
| 02:28:45 | Mecworks | Although, map transfer (sending new maps top the GPS) needs to be done in mswindows or wine still. |
| 02:28:49 | Mecworks | yes. |
| 02:28:51 | Xanic[lappy] | Do they all use serial, or do they work with usb too? |
| 02:29:10 | LrnChndlr | Xanic[lappy]: this portsentry seems to be a protection against port scanning, not against web exploit scanning |
| 02:29:23 | Mecworks | most tools talk Garmin and NMEA protocols |
| 02:29:41 | Xanic[lappy] | LrnChndlr: I thought that's what you wanted? |
| 02:30:59 | Xanic[lappy] | Cool. |
| 02:31:03 | Xanic[lappy] | Now to justify it to the wife.. |
| 02:31:10 | Xanic[lappy] | Aah right, it's a tool. |
| 02:31:27 | han_solo | what is? |
| 02:31:35 | han_solo | jumps into the middle of a conversation |
| 02:31:40 | LrnChndlr | Xanic[lappy]: i would like something that can detect the web exploit scans (although the port scanner would be nice too). It would probably have to run as a wrapper or module for apache, unless something on the firewall can quickly open and inspect all the packets going to the web port |
| 02:31:40 | Xanic[lappy] | A important tool to my career, in fact! |
| 02:31:56 | Xanic[lappy] | LrnChndlr: RedirectMatch? |
| 02:33:00 | Xanic[lappy] | han_solo, I was talking about GPSs. |
| 02:33:06 | han_solo | ah |
| 02:33:35 | Xanic[lappy] | LrnChndlr: RedirectMatch can probably do what you want to do. |
| 02:33:54 | LrnChndlr | Xanic[lappy]: i would like to be able to configure it to not respond to any requests from a particular host, if possible, once a bad one is detected, this way the scanner is more likely to give up and go away |
| 02:34:30 | Mecworks | Always think in terms of tools....8^) |
| 02:34:32 | LrnChndlr | hmm, i'll have to examine this RedirectMatch |
| 02:34:40 | Xanic[lappy] | "But Honey, I *NEED* this." |
| 02:34:44 | Xanic[lappy] | "Why?" |
| 02:34:49 | LrnChndlr | a new tool for every project, that's my motto :-) |
| 02:34:52 | Xanic[lappy] | "Uhm. Hang on. I have to go back on irc for a minute." |
| 02:35:02 | Mecworks | the house/apt may fall apart without it. |
| 02:35:35 | Mecworks | I will get lost without it. |
| 02:35:37 | Xanic[lappy] | LrnChndlr: RedirectMatch is an apache configuration directive, you realize. |
| 02:35:39 | LrnChndlr | howabout "these blasted japanese cars require a GPS unit just to change the oil" |
| 02:35:57 | Mecworks | yes, that is an acceptable tool justification. |
| 02:35:59 | Xanic[lappy] | "Just think! I could get lost and never find my way home from work!" |
| 02:36:19 | Mecworks | be careful, she may not let you get one...8^) |
| 02:36:49 | LrnChndlr | Xanic[lappy]: yes, i am looking in the apache docs now. Is that a 2.0 directive or is it in 1.3 as well? |
| 02:37:01 | Xanic[lappy] | I think she will. I think she'd like doing some Geocaching. |
| 02:37:07 | Xanic[lappy] | Probably do it along with camping. |
| 02:37:12 | Xanic[lappy] | 1.3 |
| 02:37:17 | Mecworks | I know a lot of families that do it. |
| 02:37:56 | Mecworks | You can get a decent GPS for just over 100.00 if you don't mind no maps on the GPS. They arn't required but help. |
| 02:38:39 | Xanic[lappy] | Yeah. I plan on using tools on my linux laptop. |
| 02:38:55 | Mecworks | I've gone Geocaching on dates a few times. My dates always seem to like it. |
| 02:39:04 | Xanic[lappy] | Cool. |
| 02:39:30 | Xanic[lappy] | Do you just go places locally, or all the way out to joe's valley and what not? |
| 02:40:47 | LrnChndlr | looks like redirectmatch just re-maps a URL (via a regex) to a particular file location. I would rather have something that just doesn't give any response at all, it doesn't look like this does it |
| 02:40:48 | Mecworks | For dates, I usualy go to places near by but I download all the geocache waypoints for Utah and keep a TOPO! map of them. Then whenever I travel, I download the caches within 50 or so miles of where I'm going to my GSP. |
| 02:40:49 | LrnChndlr | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_alias.html#redirectmatch |
| 02:41:16 | Xanic[lappy] | LrnChndlr: Use packet filtering.. |
| 02:41:34 | Xanic[lappy] | write a cgi to forward all explot requests to that grabs the ip, and makes an iptables rule for it.. |
| 02:41:36 | Mecworks | There are nearly 1000 caches in Utah now. |
| 02:41:43 | Xanic[lappy] | or find someone who programs in perl or the like. |
| 02:41:56 | Xanic[lappy] | Cool. |
| 02:42:45 | Xanic[lappy] | hey marc, can I msg you? |
| 02:42:53 | bbeattie | ponders a geocache that involves weeding his front yard... hmmm... |
| 02:42:56 | Xanic[lappy] | (I hate it when people msg me without asking) |
| 02:42:56 | Mecworks | sure. |
| 02:44:04 | LrnChndlr | hmm interesting. would a script executed by the webserver reload the firewall rules? |
| 02:44:12 | LrnChndlr | would=could |
| 02:45:02 | LrnChndlr | im mean, wouldn't it be dangerous to allow the webserver to run a script as root (which I am assuming is what it would take to reload the firewall) |
| 02:45:38 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. |
| 02:47:00 | Xanic[lappy] | Everything is dangerous. |
| 02:47:45 | Xanic[lappy] | But you could secure it fairly easily. |
| 02:47:57 | Xanic[lappy] | but, that's just my suggestion. :) |
| 02:59:36 | bbeattie | Jayce^: question for you on mysql, if I have a database created (done as root) and another user with admin privs., when trying to install postnuke now on an internet accssed system, postnuke install can't connect to the database. Is this because I only allowed the admin to access from "localhost"? Do I need to allow postnuke to access the databse with admin privs. from "anywhere"? or the systems virtual internet, or real system name |
| 03:00:27 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. depends on how postnuke is connecting.. |
| 03:00:58 | Jayce^ | not too sure, dont' use it.. but if it's connecting by and ip/hostname other than localhost, then you should create a login for that.. |
| 03:01:41 | Mecworks | users typicaly are given access by user name _and_ host. So, add localhost to the user to be sure. |
| 03:01:52 | bbeattie | Jayce^: the virtual is sllug.org that I'm installing postnuke for, and the system is saturn.usicomputers.com for the actual system |
| 03:02:14 | bbeattie | I only have a sllug mysql user allowed to login via password from localhost |
| 03:03:00 | Jayce^ | it depends on how postnuke connects really.. if it says 'localhost' then it should be fine.. if the connection string is something else then you need to explicitly allow that one.. |
| 03:03:01 | Mecworks | There shold be logs in /var/mysql (I think) that should tell you what is happening and who is logging in. |
| 03:03:20 | Jayce^ | having it connect to the local socket is always fastest.. |
| 03:03:38 | bbeattie | the error exactly is: "Error (2003) : Can't connect to MySQL server on 'www.sllug.org' (111)" I don't understand mysql too much yet, and I wasn't sure if "allowing sllug from anywhere" means people can access from anywhere, and therefor it's a greater security risk. |
| 03:04:17 | bbeattie | Jayce^: Right, localhost is faster, but postnuke says that if it's an internet system, and you tell it localhost, your postnuke system may not work. |
| 03:04:36 | Xanic[lappy] | doesn't matter, really. |
| 03:04:45 | Xanic[lappy] | in terms of speed, that is. |
| 03:04:50 | Mecworks | I beleive that allowing sllug from anyware means from any host. I'd restrict it to the local machine, what ever that is. Mostlikly, localhost. |
| 03:05:07 | Mecworks | hm |
| 03:05:54 | bbeattie | I'll try to install postnuke to access as "localhost" instead of www.sllug.org |
| 03:06:29 | Jayce^ | right.. grant (pick your privs) on database.* to sllug@'your ip/hostname/localhost' identified by '' |
| 03:06:37 | Mecworks | make sure that MySQL allows the post nuke user from localhost too. |
| 03:06:40 | Jayce^ | of course do the passowrd in there.. |
| 04:56:13 | Xanic[lappy] | night |
| 05:50:39 | bbeattie | Jayce^: Ever have experience with messages like, "No authorisation to carry out operation" when you're logged in as admin, and trying to submit a message, or change options (sometimes things work, othertimes I get this error) |
| 06:49:00 | BZFlag | sounds like the show went well. |
| 06:49:15 | BZFlag | hmm. guess I'll sleep. |
| 12:00:15 | Slackwarrior | hello |
| 12:00:23 | Slackwarrior | is this the utah-glx channel? |
| 15:30:54 | Xanic | Whee. |
| 15:33:35 | Jayce^ | yipee? |
| 15:34:15 | Xanic | Hey, Jayce^.. were you at the convention? |
| 15:36:22 | Jayce^ | no, didn't get to go.. wanted to... |
| 15:37:15 | Xanic | Aah.. |
| 15:37:27 | Xanic | Just trying to place names for nicks, you know.. ;) |
| 15:37:47 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 15:37:57 | | jayce^: i don't know |
| 15:37:57 | Jayce^ | ibot: Xanic? |
| 15:38:08 | Jayce^ | well, ibot doens't know you. |
| 15:38:11 | Xanic | <- Chris Doyle |
| 15:38:55 | Jayce^ | twiddles his thumbs while trying to place that name :) |
| 15:39:00 | | OK, CosmicPenguin. |
| 15:39:00 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: Xanic is Chris Doyle |
| 15:39:05 | Xanic | I'm fairly new. |
| 15:39:11 | Jayce^ | Sllug? |
| 15:39:13 | Xanic | At least, to sllug. |
| 15:39:30 | Xanic | Though i've been using linux for about 6 years. |
| 15:39:33 | Jayce^ | k, never been to a sllug meeting.. on the list though.. |
| 15:39:56 | | CosmicPenguin is probably mailto:jordanc@censoft.com |
| 15:39:56 | Xanic | ibot: CosmicPenguin? |
| 15:40:08 | Xanic | probably, you say. |
| 15:40:35 | Xanic | I hate computer that don't calculate the probability for you. =I |
| 15:40:42 | Xanic | er computers |
| 15:41:53 | | okay, CosmicPenguin. |
| 15:41:53 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: CosmicPenguin is also Jordan Crouse |
| 15:41:58 | CosmicPenguin | thanks ibot |
| 15:42:03 | | CosmicPenguin: excuse me? |
| 15:42:03 | CosmicPenguin | ibot:botsnak |
| 15:42:05 | | thanks CosmicPenguin :) |
| 15:42:05 | CosmicPenguin | ibot:botsnack |
| 15:42:53 | | Jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. |
| 15:42:53 | Jayce^ | ibot: Jayce^ |
| 15:47:33 | Xanic | Hmm. |
| 17:08:48 | Mecworks | Hey Tim. I have your Zarai and the dolly. Brandon has the serial cable still (forgot to place it in the bag with the Zarai). |
| 17:21:42 | fozz | BZFlag: I saw your Zaurus(es) at the CTS on Tuesday. :) |
| 17:22:07 | fozz | Zauri... that's cool. heh heh. |
| 17:22:34 | fozz | I think I'm just about ready to get one of those. |
| 17:23:49 | Mecworks | I wish I could too....someday I'm sure/. |
| 17:24:21 | levi_ | I just got mine. It is spiffy. :) |
| 17:24:38 | Mecworks | cool |
| 17:25:16 | levi_ | Especially so now that I figured out how to get the 802.11b card to work. |
| 17:25:28 | Xanic | I may buy one, eventually. |
| 17:25:41 | Xanic | I bought a sony clie a year or so ago, so I have to wait at least another year.. |
| 17:28:52 | CosmicPenguin | is soo old school with an Ipaq... :) |
| 17:40:11 | Jayce^ | still just has his visor prism.. |
| 17:47:15 | BZFlag | Mecworks: so you home now? |
| 17:55:09 | Mecworks | yea, I'm here. |
| 18:00:34 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo.. guess what just showed up at my house :D |
| 18:00:48 | han_solo | oooh |
| 18:00:54 | Jayce^ | yup... |
| 18:01:00 | han_solo | drools |
| 18:01:04 | Jayce^ | plus an extra one to give away at the presentation.. |
| 18:01:30 | Jayce^ | gee.. too bad I never really go down into provo/orem... you could have it.. |
| 18:01:41 | Jayce^ | help you get ready :D |
| 18:07:39 | han_solo | :) I have a friend that lives yp your way. he goes to the y too |
| 18:07:58 | Jayce^ | oh yeah? send him by.. but make sure you can trust him :) |
| 18:12:04 | han_solo | maybe you should wrap it in brown paper |
| 18:12:06 | han_solo | :) |
| 18:12:13 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 18:15:05 | han_solo | Jayce^: you on AIM? |
| 18:15:24 | Jayce^ | yeah... |
| 18:21:14 | fozz | So am I! |
| 18:21:36 | Jayce^ | uh-oh.. there goes the party :D |
| 18:55:44 | BZFlag | Mecworks: I'm home too, wanna bring em over? 257 Cherry drive. center to 400 W, south to 200S/Village drive. then hang around to the left, second normal house. |
| 19:09:19 | Mecworks | BZFlag: My sister is visiting from SLC today. Can I bring them by tomarow? |
| 19:10:50 | Bradipo | Anyone here know gnupg well? |
| 19:11:29 | han_solo | pretty well |
| 19:11:34 | Bradipo | Ok... |
| 19:11:42 | Bradipo | Well, if you don't mind, I have a question. |
| 19:12:10 | Bradipo | I have public/private keypair with a second uid on it. |
| 19:12:27 | BZFlag | Mecworks: sure. np. |
| 19:12:56 | han_solo | will be back in a few minuts |
| 19:13:04 | Bradipo | Anyone else? |
| 19:13:27 | BZFlag | wonders when brad is actually going to do that ipo. ;-) What does that nick mean anyway Andy? |
| 19:13:36 | Bradipo | lol |
| 19:13:43 | Bradipo | bradipo == sloth in Italian. |
| 19:13:58 | BZFlag | lol |
| 19:14:11 | BZFlag | well, continue with the gnupg ? |
| 19:14:15 | Bradipo | A family that I worked with in Italy couldn't pronounce my last name very easily. |
| 19:14:41 | Bradipo | It came out Bradipo instead of Bradford and since they thought it looked like a bradipo it stuck. |
| 19:14:42 | Bradipo | Er, they thought I looked like one... |
| 19:14:47 | Bradipo | http://bradipo.org what do you think? :-) |
| 19:15:02 | Bradipo | Anyway... |
| 19:15:13 | BZFlag | heh. I guess I can see the resemblance. ;-) |
| 19:15:31 | Bradipo | Apparently my second uid expired: sub 1024g/2504F233 created: 2000-02-25 expires: 2002-06-06 |
| 19:15:40 | BZFlag | notes that Bradipo is sitting on a rock. |
| 19:15:58 | Bradipo | lol |
| 19:16:20 | Bradipo | So, I thought I could just increase the expiration date with the ``expire'' option in gpg --edit-key... |
| 19:16:44 | Bradipo | sub 1024g/2504F233 created: 2000-02-25 expires: 2004-07-02 |
| 19:17:01 | Bradipo | But uploading it to pgp.mit.edu doesn't seem to take it... |
| 19:17:14 | BZFlag | what's your master key? |
| 19:17:16 | Bradipo | If I download the key into another system it still has the old date on it. |
| 19:17:20 | Bradipo | A63888C9 |
| 19:18:14 | BZFlag | do you sign the sub? or the master? |
| 19:18:25 | Bradipo | Hmm... |
| 19:18:32 | Bradipo | You mean the self signature? |
| 19:18:47 | BZFlag | I mean on other things you have signed. |
| 19:18:58 | BZFlag | if you never used the sub, then just remove it. |
| 19:19:05 | Bradipo | Ahh, I see. |
| 19:19:07 | BZFlag | but be SURE you never used it. ;-) |
| 19:19:14 | Bradipo | I have used the sub. |
| 19:20:27 | BZFlag | http://rpmfind.creatis.insa-lyon.fr/linux/RPM/Andy_Bradford__bradipo_xmission.com_.html <- were any of those signed? |
| 19:20:50 | Bradipo | So, if the sub expires, I guess there isn't a way to renew it... |
| 19:20:52 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 19:20:54 | Bradipo | They weren't. |
| 19:21:20 | Bradipo | Wow, those are old. :-) |
| 19:21:51 | Mecworks | BZFlag: thx |
| 19:22:49 | Bradipo | I guess the real problem is that I can't seem to use the key anymore (due to expiration) |
| 19:22:57 | Bradipo | [andyb@work:piedra passd]$ gpg -e -a -r bradipo@xmission.com |
| 19:23:01 | Bradipo | gpg: bradipo@xmission.com: skipped: unusable public key |
| 19:23:23 | Bradipo | amb@bradfords.org doesn't work either. |
| 19:24:28 | BZFlag | grep default-key ~/.gnupg/options |
| 19:25:18 | Bradipo | default-key A63888C9 |
| 19:27:48 | BZFlag | so you can edit the key locally and change the expire? |
| 19:27:54 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 19:27:55 | BZFlag | but you can't upload it? |
| 19:27:56 | Bradipo | I did that. |
| 19:27:58 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 19:28:01 | Bradipo | Well, it uploads ok. |
| 19:28:14 | Bradipo | Or at least it doesn't report any errors. |
| 19:28:25 | Bradipo | But the changes don't seem to take effect on the key servers. |
| 19:29:59 | Bradipo | Oddly enough, it looks like my sub key hasn't been signed by anyone else but myself. |
| 19:30:02 | orbit | Just fyi for anyone interested, I just found a #Postfix channel on irc.openprojects.net |
| 19:30:59 | Bradipo | Now that I think about it... I wonder if I have ever used my sub |
| 19:31:03 | Bradipo | I'm sure I have signed stuff with it. |
| 19:32:13 | BZFlag | well that stuff would still be valid. I'd reset the exire to the old value, and create a new sub key. |
| 19:32:30 | Bradipo | Can I create a new subkey on the same uid? |
| 19:32:40 | BZFlag | personally I don't set my keys to expire. if they ever get compromised, I'll just send up a revoke. |
| 19:32:44 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 19:32:47 | Bradipo | Good point. |
| 19:32:51 | Bradipo | I was actually considering doing that. |
| 19:33:23 | BZFlag | edit the master, and do an "addkey" |
| 19:33:58 | Bradipo | How could I tell if it has been signed with my subkey? |
| 19:34:07 | Bradipo | I thought only the master key was used for signing... |
| 19:34:27 | Bradipo | So, maybe it's just encrypted stuff. |
| 19:35:10 | Bradipo | Hmm, how can I set the expiration date back? |
| 19:35:19 | Bradipo | My only options are future bound. |
| 19:37:52 | BZFlag | you did back up the original, right? |
| 19:38:26 | Bradipo | Well, I haven't done anything yet. :-) |
| 19:38:33 | Bradipo | I'm still looking at all the options. |
| 19:41:04 | Bradipo | I better do that now... |
| 19:41:22 | BZFlag | http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#AEN329 <- seems to imply that changing expire should work. |
| 19:41:33 | Bradipo | That's what I thought. |
| 19:41:38 | Bradipo | I have read the entire manual... |
| 19:41:48 | Bradipo | In fact, that's where I got the idea to just change the date. |
| 19:41:57 | Bradipo | Haha!!! |
| 19:42:17 | Bradipo | My slashbot in another IRC channel just printed: | An Introduction to GNU Privacy Guard | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/26/145220 | |
| 19:42:45 | BZFlag | heh |
| 19:43:18 | BZFlag | notes that andy has 47BF22B0 as well. |
| 19:43:37 | BZFlag | and that that one's sub exired long ago. |
| 19:44:28 | BZFlag | oh, not to mention E969EF0C which expires in 2006. |
| 19:44:34 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 19:44:39 | BZFlag | why don't you keep all them under one master? |
| 19:44:42 | Bradipo | I should probably just delete those signatures... |
| 19:44:47 | Bradipo | I would do that know. |
| 19:44:59 | Bradipo | WHen I first setup PGP I didn't realize that I could have multiple uids... |
| 19:45:14 | BZFlag | is CD98B20A |
| 19:45:53 | Bradipo | What's the fingerprint? |
| 19:46:13 | Bradipo | One of these days we should have some key signing party. :-) |
| 19:46:23 | Bradipo | I see. |
| 19:46:31 | Bradipo | Never mind about the fingerprint... |
| 19:47:04 | Bradipo | Hmm, maybe I don't even need a subkey. |
| 19:47:16 | Bradipo | Er, one with an expiration. |
| 19:47:26 | BZFlag | nods |
| 19:48:01 | Bradipo | Wow, 60 signatures... :-) |
| 19:48:14 | Jayce^ | orbit: bet that made you happy.. |
| 19:48:21 | Bradipo | Do you know if there is an easy way to retreive all the keys that have signed yours? |
| 19:48:48 | BZFlag | gpg --list-sigs <key> |
| 19:48:54 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 19:49:02 | Bradipo | THen I can just loop over them. :-) |
| 19:49:20 | Bradipo | I wonder if I can request more than one key in a request |
| 19:49:38 | Jayce^ | heh.. nothing signed mine :) figured. |
| 19:50:34 | Bradipo | Looks like I can. |
| 19:57:25 | BZFlag | Bradipo: yes. that's why it's --recv-keys not --recv-key ;-) |
| 20:01:22 | BZFlag | so schedule a key signing party. could be cross lug. uug/plug/sllug/etc |
| 20:01:37 | BZFlag | what happened to uvsclug ? is it dead for good? |
| 20:01:53 | Jayce^ | yeah, maybe add an intro to gpg lesson to help those of us who dont' know it as well.. |
| 20:02:06 | Jayce^ | dunno, I haven't heard anything on it's list for over two years I believe |
| 20:02:39 | BZFlag | the server the website was on it gone. the lst was at caldera, right Bradipo? |
| 20:02:46 | BZFlag | s/it/is/ |
| 20:09:03 | BZFlag | sheesh http://pgp.dtype.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x09590CFD&op=vindex |
| 20:15:43 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 20:16:03 | Jayce^ | <- D8619422 |
| 20:16:26 | BZFlag | is ranked 689 on http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/2002-09-22/top1000table.html |
| 20:22:23 | Bradipo | I don't think he has enough signatures. |
| 20:22:49 | Jayce^ | adds bzflag to his keyring.. |
| 20:24:25 | Bradipo | BZFlag: I couldn't ever get enough people at UVSC interested. |
| 20:24:46 | Bradipo | Maybe in a year or two it could start up again. |
| 20:25:03 | Bradipo | The server is pretty much down (I don't know who has it anymore). |
| 20:25:54 | Bradipo | The server was acutally located in one of the labs in the basement of the administration building for a while. |
| 20:26:02 | Bradipo | It was never located at Caldera. |
| 20:26:28 | BZFlag | the list was though, right? |
| 20:26:54 | BZFlag | who is Pete Gale? (domain owner) |
| 20:26:59 | bonez39 | cool show at the salt palace, if some of you were there yesterday... |
| 20:27:07 | Bradipo | Oh, yeah. |
| 20:27:15 | Bradipo | The list was temporarily hosted there until we got our own server. |
| 20:27:21 | BZFlag | I wasn't, but my Zaurii were. |
| 20:27:35 | Bradipo | Pete Gale used to teach linux classes at UVSC. |
| 20:27:46 | Bradipo | He was pretty sharp. |
| 20:27:56 | Bradipo | Got a job out in Silicon Valley and took off. |
| 20:28:21 | Bradipo | He's still accessible via email though. |
| 20:29:01 | Bradipo | Just need to get some momentum to get uvsclug up again, but maybe it's not necessary---maybe we should promote PLUG instead. |
| 20:29:06 | bonez39 | I noticed three or 4 of those......on the table.. |
| 20:30:56 | Jayce^ | agrees with promoting plug! |
| 20:35:40 | orbit | Hi bonez - was that you that just asked about MySQL on the list? |
| 20:35:54 | bonez39 | yeah.....I think that was mean.... |
| 20:36:04 | Jayce^ | hunh? |
| 20:37:11 | Jayce^ | what was mean? |
| 20:37:23 | Jayce^ | oh the zaurii :) |
| 20:37:24 | bonez39 | now mean... |
| 20:37:26 | bonez39 | me.... |
| 20:37:30 | bonez39 | typo |
| 20:37:36 | orbit | Ah. s/mean/me |
| 20:40:09 | orbit | puts on his Postgresql evangelist hat. |
| 20:40:13 | orbit | :-) |
| 20:40:35 | Jayce^ | hey hey !! |
| 20:40:41 | orbit | hehehe. |
| 20:40:54 | orbit | I just want people to know there's a choice.... |
| 20:40:59 | Jayce^ | I have a big problem with postgres right now.. and believe it or not it's stability.. |
| 20:41:04 | orbit | Doh. |
| 20:41:14 | Jayce^ | oh, I'm sure everybody on plug is aware of that! we sure hear it enough.. |
| 20:41:31 | orbit | What are your stability problems? |
| 20:41:57 | Jayce^ | yeah, for some reason when stress testing some code.. mod_perl and postgres.. it kills the server.. all things point (at the moment) to postgres.. |
| 20:42:05 | orbit | ouch. |
| 20:42:31 | Jayce^ | if I access it with the same siege config using a apache 2.0 proxy up front, apache/mod_perl 1.3 backend with postgres behind that it's ok.. |
| 20:43:22 | Jayce^ | if I try it using only the apache 1.3, thereby causing all hits to go to the mod_perl server (images et al) and then overwhelms the connections to postgres, and down she goes.. |
| 20:43:37 | Jayce^ | the only time I've made an app that made me push reset on my box.. |
| 20:43:39 | Bradipo | I noticed that the candidate for the new .org Registry is running postgresql |
| 20:43:51 | orbit | How many connections are you talking about? |
| 20:44:05 | Jayce^ | at first I thought it was my apache, hitting too many of them, but checking it's logs it doesn't seem so.. |
| 20:44:05 | orbit | You can kill any database with enough connections :-) |
| 20:44:49 | orbit | One thing I wish Postgres had is Oracle-style tablespaces. |
| 20:44:51 | Jayce^ | not too many.. 15 concurrent users hitting 20 times each, 0 delay between pages... very small siege... each page hit in the list (at random) requires database hits of course... |
| 20:45:01 | Jayce^ | better replication... |
| 20:45:04 | orbit | Wow. that's not much |
| 20:45:18 | bonez39 | Orbit: I'll watch for email back from yo...sounds like youhave your hands full here today.. |
| 20:45:21 | Jayce^ | no, on a dual 466, 256 mb ram... |
| 20:45:38 | Jayce^ | tries to figure out who bonez39 really is.. |
| 20:45:48 | orbit | heheh. |
| 20:46:17 | Jayce^ | and I've got my apaches limited down so they can spawn more servers, so they shouldn't even be causing troubles.. |
| 20:46:50 | orbit | Is Postgres running on the same box as apache? |
| 20:47:19 | Jayce^ | so I've made sure it's not apache growing out of control.. it's something back with postgres.. but last time I did it, my startup command went > to the log, so it overwrote.. dont' have the last logs.. and I dont' want to redo that :) |
| 20:47:31 | Jayce^ | yeah, this is just my gateway box, doing development.. |
| 20:48:01 | Jayce^ | I was trying to compare speed of using a lighweight apache 2.0 frontend to just using a single mod_perl server.. |
| 20:48:13 | orbit | Interesting. |
| 20:48:54 | Jayce^ | comments about never having these stability/load capability issues with mysql :) |
| 20:49:26 | orbit | I've brought a MySQL box to its knees before... |
| 20:49:47 | orbit | Just do a mysqlimport with an import file of over 1,000,000 rows :-) |
| 20:49:51 | Jayce^ | anyways, I knwo I really need to do it again, and keep the log for postgres, but I lost a lot of uptime on my gateway yesterday... brought it down 4 times till I got it traced to postgres.. |
| 20:50:07 | orbit | hehe. Sounds like you need a beta system :-) |
| 20:50:35 | Jayce^ | yeah, we're actually bringing our mysql server down pretty consistently now.. quad-xeon 4gb ram even.. but it's acutally hitting os limits (pthreads is maxing itself) |
| 20:50:40 | orbit | Unfortunately I haven't (yet) used Pg in a high-demand, high-load situation. |
| 20:50:53 | orbit | I definitely like its feature set, though. |
| 20:50:55 | Jayce^ | well it is a beta.. this is my cvs checkout, onto my system, local environment... |
| 20:51:02 | orbit | I see. |
| 20:51:33 | orbit | A beta of Pg, then? |
| 20:51:38 | Jayce^ | just developing our new ystem, and I wanted to compare a possible setup.. that's when this reared it's head.. |
| 20:52:00 | Jayce^ | no, normal Pg.. just not live servers.. |
| 20:53:00 | Jayce^ | 7.2.2 |
| 20:53:04 | orbit | I see. |
| 20:54:15 | Jayce^ | actually... hrmmm I think I may know something that *might* cause a problem... |
| 20:54:47 | Jayce^ | when I compiled it (with perl) I had 5.6.1.. since then I've put on 5.8.0 with threading.. didn't recompile postgres... |
| 20:54:56 | Jayce^ | not using perl in it yet, but who knows.. |
| 20:55:22 | orbit | Oh, you using pg/perl? |
| 20:55:59 | Jayce^ | not yet... but thinking about it.. |
| 20:56:05 | Jayce^ | we are using unicode though.. |
| 20:56:28 | orbit | I've heard pg/perl is somewhat unstable. |
| 20:56:47 | orbit | For that reason RH doesn't compile it into their rpm. |
| 20:57:15 | Jayce^ | and yet they use(d) gcc2.96 :/ |
| 20:57:31 | Jayce^ | and a *very* messed up mysql.. |
| 20:58:35 | orbit | hehe |
| 20:59:58 | Jayce^ | btw.. mysql *does* have transactions and referential integrity.. just not in myisam.. innodb has both those, and is *dang* fast.. |
| 21:00:19 | Bradipo | BZFlag: still around? |
| 21:00:26 | Jayce^ | subselects are in the 4.1 tree, just not released until 4.0 reaches stable.. |
| 21:00:58 | orbit | ok, good to know that. |
| 21:01:05 | bonez39 | can I toss a question in? do either of you have an opinion on btrieve record manager (now from Pervasive)? |
| 21:01:41 | orbit | Keep thinking I need to get O'Reilly's MySQL book so I can be accurate in my claims. |
| 21:03:11 | orbit | btw, how fast is *dang* fast? ;-) |
| 21:03:48 | bonez39 | is O'Reilly's book good on MySQL? I am tempted to get get it |
| 21:05:10 | orbit | I haven't read it, but id it's like most of O'Reilly's stuff, it'll be very good. |
| 21:06:04 | bonez39 | excellent, I have their Running Linux edition..very good |
| 21:06:28 | orbit | You can read my review of their Practical Postgresql book on the plug website. |
| 21:11:54 | bonez39 | how about MySQL online resources, to help someone new to MySQL ..to get into it... |
| 21:12:06 | bonez39 | or a site where people using it share their experiences... |
| 21:12:32 | orbit | Probably their mailing list would be the best starting place. |
| 21:12:59 | orbit | for something like that. |
| 21:14:29 | bonez39 | oh, am on that already... |
| 21:14:30 | bbeattie | has anyone seen ezpublish? |
| 21:15:44 | Jayce^ | which book, they have a couple :) |
| 21:16:10 | Jayce^ | for just learning web/mysql type stuff, the new riders Mysql and Perl for the web (by paul dubois) is great |
| 21:17:45 | Jayce^ | you can always check out the reviews on www.plug.org |
| 21:20:02 | BZFlag | Bradipo: back. |
| 21:37:12 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 21:37:20 | Bradipo | I added a new key. |
| 21:39:06 | Bradipo | So, to begin using it instead would I change my default-key option? |
| 21:39:36 | BZFlag | gpg: requesting key A63888C9 from HKP keyserver pgp.mit.edu |
| 21:39:36 | BZFlag | gpg: key A63888C9: not changed |
| 21:39:40 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 21:39:46 | Bradipo | Oh, I haven't uploaded it yet... |
| 21:40:18 | Bradipo | There, it's up. |
| 21:41:27 | Bradipo | Hmm, it still says it's unchanged. |
| 21:42:11 | BZFlag | believes that Bradipo is who he says he is based on the conversation and signs his key. |
| 21:42:20 | Bradipo | lDid you get the new one? |
| 21:43:36 | Jayce^ | oohh.. Bradipo is lucky :) |
| 21:43:37 | BZFlag | no, but you did not change the uids did you? |
| 21:43:42 | Bradipo | No. |
| 21:43:51 | BZFlag | so the signing should stay. |
| 21:43:52 | Bradipo | Just added another subkey. |
| 21:43:55 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 21:44:06 | Bradipo | Did you sign both uids? |
| 21:44:16 | BZFlag | which server did you upload to? yes, both uids |
| 21:44:23 | Bradipo | Jayce^: If you talk long enough, maybe you will be too. :-) |
| 21:44:27 | Bradipo | pgp.mit.edu |
| 21:44:33 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 21:44:36 | Bradipo | But I don't think it is doing what it says it is doing. |
| 21:44:44 | han_solo | i just downloaded it too (from mit) and it says expires 2002-06-06 |
| 21:44:50 | BZFlag | same here. |
| 21:44:58 | Jayce^ | "I do not think that word means what you think it means) |
| 21:44:59 | Jayce^ | " |
| 21:45:02 | BZFlag | han_solo: does it have my sign on it? |
| 21:45:14 | han_solo | pub 1024D/A63888C9 2000-02-25 Andy Bradford <amb@bradfords.org> |
| 21:45:14 | han_solo | uid Andy Bradford <bradipo@xmission.com> |
| 21:45:14 | han_solo | sub 1024g/2504F233 2000-02-25 [expires: 2002-06-06] |
| 21:45:26 | BZFlag | han_solo: --list-sigs |
| 21:45:29 | Bradipo | BZFlag: Did you upload your signature? |
| 21:45:33 | BZFlag | yes |
| 21:46:09 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 21:46:18 | han_solo | BZFlag: I don't see anything but theres some [user id not found]'s |
| 21:46:23 | Bradipo | I wonder if pgp.mit.edu doesn't like the difference in dates on the second key. |
| 21:46:39 | BZFlag | han do a --recv-keys on the not found ones if you like. |
| 21:46:50 | BZFlag | Bradipo: perhaps. |
| 21:48:34 | Bradipo | But you should be able to upload your signed copy regardless. |
| 21:48:41 | BZFlag | http://pgp.mit.edu/ <- web version |
| 21:48:42 | Bradipo | Let me try a different key server. |
| 21:48:55 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 21:48:56 | Bradipo | I can try that. |
| 21:48:59 | han_solo | while we're talking keys, what do you do about different systems? i.e. I have accounts that I frequently use on at least 3 systems |
| 21:49:10 | han_solo | it's a pain to have to scp files to the server where I have gpg set up |
| 21:49:29 | Bradipo | You should keep your keyring on the most secure (or on a portable medium). |
| 21:50:20 | Jayce^ | thinks about asking Bradipo or BZFlag to present of gpg, to go along with their key-signing part.. |
| 21:50:21 | han_solo | BZFlag: your sigs are on Bradipo's |
| 21:50:49 | BZFlag | http://keyserver.kjsl.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xA63888C9&op=vindex |
| 21:51:09 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 21:51:12 | BZFlag | Jayce^: sure. just give me a week or two notice. |
| 21:51:18 | Bradipo | Maybe there's something wrong with pgp.mit.edu |
| 21:52:20 | BZFlag | http://keyserver.kjsl.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xCD98B20A ;-) |
| 21:52:45 | BZFlag | Bradipo: I sent my sig to pgp.mit.edu, and it got forwarded from there ok. |
| 21:54:13 | BZFlag | han_solo: you should not have your keys spread around. I keep my keys on my laptop and I don't give anyone accounts there. they private key is password protected. |
| 21:54:17 | Jayce^ | adds to brad's signing.. |
| 21:54:34 | BZFlag | then I have an encrypted archive of my private key on another system. |
| 21:56:11 | BZFlag | Bradipo: and what's up the the rev from Soren? |
| 21:57:15 | BZFlag | Jayce^: thanx for the sign. ;-) |
| 21:57:23 | Jayce^ | np BZFlag... |
| 21:57:34 | han_solo | So, basically it's tough luck, handle the inconvenience? What would be nice is a way to forward gpg stuff over ssh like ssh-agent does |
| 21:57:39 | Jayce^ | figure I've talked to you enough. |
| 21:57:48 | HarleyPig | BZFlag: What was the job op you were talking about. |
| 21:58:15 | han_solo | <- E0AAD460 |
| 21:58:18 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: http://www.PacificWebWorks.com/ |
| 21:58:24 | Jayce^ | prods HarleyPig for his gpg code.. |
| 21:58:57 | BZFlag | Jayce^: don't recall if we've ever met face to face, so I'll sign at one of the meetings. k? |
| 21:59:06 | Jayce^ | yeah... |
| 21:59:17 | BZFlag | I used to work with Bradipo, so I have multiple points of reference there. ;-) |
| 21:59:17 | Jayce^ | BZFlag: I met you first when you presented on Tuxscreen.. |
| 21:59:43 | BZFlag | Jayce^: I think I recall that. |
| 21:59:46 | Jayce^ | I was the one most interested in your microdrive, because I had a CF -> pcmcia card reader.. |
| 22:00:48 | BZFlag | just the same. it's a preference. it'll happen soon. (sooner if we have a keysigning ;-) |
| 22:00:57 | Jayce^ | understood |
| 22:00:59 | han_solo | votes for a keysigning party |
| 22:01:03 | BZFlag | gotta run for a while... |
| 22:01:14 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo, guess what kimball just stopped by and grabbed? |
| 22:01:20 | han_solo | yay :) |
| 22:01:27 | han_solo | getting tonight actually |
| 22:01:34 | Jayce^ | so you'd better follow up with him then... |
| 22:01:40 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:01:55 | han_solo | i have his tickets for the cs social tonight. if he wants pizza, he'll fork over the book |
| 22:02:09 | HarleyPig | Hey Jayce^, didn't IDI do a 'vacation banner contest' type thing? |
| 22:02:23 | Bradipo | BZFlag: Thanks for the help. |
| 22:02:25 | Jayce^ | yup.. that was the first product they did... |
| 22:03:04 | HarleyPig | Not related? |
| 22:03:05 | Jayce^ | that's where ryan first started learning perl.. |
| 22:03:19 | Jayce^ | not related? |
| 22:04:13 | HarleyPig | pacificwebworks isn't a descendant of that project? |
| 22:04:38 | HarleyPig | BZFlag: Did you put that job op up on plug.org? |
| 22:04:49 | Jayce^ | no, after I had left the deal soured between IDI and the other company.. |
| 22:04:57 | HarleyPig | Ah. |
| 22:05:02 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: that jobs thing still isn't public.. I haven't had time to finish it.. |
| 22:05:18 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: plus it was brent pushing that.. his thing, so he took it with him.. |
| 22:05:32 | HarleyPig | I know ... but it can still be posted as an article. |
| 22:05:39 | Jayce^ | true.. |
| 22:05:44 | HarleyPig | Brent ... trying to remember who he was. |
| 22:05:47 | HarleyPig | Oh yeah. |
| 22:05:52 | Jayce^ | the other owner.. |
| 22:06:02 | Jayce^ | the lexus.. steve had the acura |
| 22:06:02 | HarleyPig | The scapegoat. |
| 22:06:13 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 22:07:20 | HarleyPig | bbi about 30 minutes (gotta cash a check) |
| 22:07:31 | Jayce^ | oohh.. you actually got one! |
| 22:07:36 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 22:07:42 | Jayce^ | full? |
| 22:07:49 | HarleyPig | chokes. |
| 22:08:10 | HarleyPig | Nope ... just half. |
| 22:08:16 | Jayce^ | figures.. |
| 22:08:29 | Jayce^ | hence me telling you to talk to BZFlag about that job.. |
| 22:08:40 | HarleyPig | But it's been regularly irregular (irregularly regular?), better thant he first part of the year. |
| 22:08:43 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 22:08:54 | Jayce^ | you just need a new one.. |
| 22:09:03 | Jayce^ | heads off for a while too.. |
| 22:09:06 | HarleyPig | BZFlag: I cna't find a link to a job description on that site. Got some info? |
| 22:09:42 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: Heh ... when I'm a multi-millionaire I'll point and laugh! |
| 22:09:56 | HarleyPig | It could happen. |
| 22:27:42 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |