| 02:11:27 | han_solo | anyone go back to the days of isapnp stuff? |
| 03:07:23 | han_solo | anyone got a dos boot disk image handy? |
| 03:14:03 | scottj | think there is a bootdisk.org or something with those |
| 03:14:14 | scottj | and I've used isapnp but can't remember much about it |
| 03:28:40 | han_solo | yeah, I got it (the disk) |
| 03:28:55 | LrnChndlr | help :-( |
| 03:29:07 | han_solo | 'sup |
| 03:29:15 | LrnChndlr | can't boot into linux |
| 03:29:37 | LrnChndlr | i upgraded my mandrake this morning, i use a boot floppy to boot, but it wouldn't make one |
| 03:30:37 | LrnChndlr | now i can't figure out how to get one made, or how to boot to linux now |
| 03:30:53 | han_solo | do you remember your root partition? |
| 03:31:02 | LrnChndlr | hdb1 |
| 03:31:35 | han_solo | I don't know how mandrake's cd works, but if you burn a debian or gentoo cd I know they work great as rescue disks. Or, get the debian rescue floppy at debian.org |
| 03:31:49 | LrnChndlr | i can get to a prompt via the mandrake rescue disk, but it doesn't have any provisions for this |
| 03:31:50 | han_solo | kernel version? (not that it's vital, but doesn't hurt) |
| 03:31:55 | LrnChndlr | 2.4.18 |
| 03:31:59 | han_solo | does mandrake's use lilo? |
| 03:32:05 | LrnChndlr | it's mandrake 8.2 |
| 03:32:07 | LrnChndlr | it has lilo |
| 03:32:15 | han_solo | when the lilo prompt comes up type linux root=/dev/hdb1 |
| 03:32:21 | LrnChndlr | but i can't figure out how to get it to write anything to the darn floppy |
| 03:32:38 | LrnChndlr | han: no wait |
| 03:32:58 | LrnChndlr | i can try |
| 03:33:06 | LrnChndlr | but what then? |
| 03:33:38 | Jayce^ | han_solo: guess what just got shipped today :D you'd better be getting ready for your presentation :D |
| 03:33:47 | LrnChndlr | will it use the modules and settings off my system, or will it use the stuff on the cd? |
| 03:36:33 | LrnChndlr | ok, guess i'll go try some more |
| 03:36:35 | LrnChndlr | bye |
| 03:36:55 | han_solo | missed him |
| 03:37:03 | han_solo | Jayce^: cool :) |
| 03:37:09 | han_solo | Time to think about a poll and stuff |
| 03:37:19 | han_solo | could I get a poll on plug.org ? |
| 04:01:38 | LrnChndlr | mandrake is a piece of **#$%#$%# |
| 04:02:56 | LrnChndlr | can lilo boot a windows 2000 partition? |
| 04:11:20 | LrnChndlr | what about grub? |
| 05:56:36 | BZFlag | How'd setup go? |
| 06:05:33 | LrnChndlr | ah, xchat |
| 13:56:41 | Jayce^ | hey han_solo... what poll you want? |
| 14:05:11 | han_solo | I'll have to get back to you on that, but basically which topics to cover in my discussion. |
| 14:05:28 | han_solo | which day is it again? |
| 14:05:43 | Jayce^ | 2nd wednesday of the month.. |
| 14:05:54 | Jayce^ | you have any of the OReilly vi boks? |
| 14:06:01 | han_solo | no |
| 14:06:30 | Jayce^ | k, going to request those too :D you might get some extra's :D |
| 14:06:40 | han_solo | sweet |
| 14:07:25 | han_solo | on RAID-1, where one disk is 'better' than the other (both IDE, but one is newer) does it matter which is the first disk and which the second? |
| 14:08:02 | Jayce^ | hypothetically, no... |
| 14:12:14 | han_solo | ok. |
| 14:12:20 | han_solo | wow, that was easy. I have raid now |
| 14:16:53 | Jayce^ | nice... I need a second drive before I can do that.. got the promise controller on board.. |
| 14:52:52 | han_solo | hmm. mount isn't playing nice - I want this raid array mounted with a certain gid and umask but mount claims bad option |
| 14:54:32 | han_solo | /dev/md0 /mnt/raid ext2 defaults,user,gid=29,umask=002 0 2 |
| 14:54:46 | han_solo | works with just defaults,user but not with gid and/or umask |
| 15:04:37 | orbit | Anybody got any ideas/suggestions on enforcing disk quotas with MySQL? |
| 15:05:11 | han_solo | wants to know too |
| 15:05:15 | orbit | Meaning, enforcing quotas on how much disk space a user can use with their database? |
| 15:16:14 | Jayce^ | doesn't have it.. |
| 15:16:21 | Jayce^ | at least per user |
| 15:16:34 | Jayce^ | although you could enforce it by your application.. |
| 15:23:23 | orbit | Menaing check the size of the data on every insert? |
| 15:26:19 | Jayce^ | well, I would schedule it.. |
| 15:26:37 | Jayce^ | allow for overage over a certain amount of time.. kinda like quota does some.. |
| 15:38:51 | Jayce^ | or if it's a limited number of users, give each one their own mysql.. |
| 15:41:57 | orbit | Hmm, that wouldn't really work too well, we're trying to get as many users/box as possible |
| 15:42:25 | orbit | We may have to do reverse quota...where we tell each user the amount they can use, and bill them like mad if they go over. |
| 15:42:44 | orbit | Kind of like burstable bandwidth. |
| 15:43:49 | Jayce^ | yeah.. I'd think of that as best.. then they can easily go beyond and you can get paid.. |
| 15:44:01 | orbit | yup. |
| 15:44:29 | orbit | I've read about some hacks with MySQl where you place each user's database in some directory with the setgid bit set. |
| 15:44:45 | orbit | That way you can quota the dir, and any new tables that get created stay in the same group. |
| 15:45:03 | Jayce^ | yeah, just make the main file a link to somewhere that has the quota enabled.. |
| 15:45:16 | orbit | Problem there is you have to have a 1-1 correspondance between system gids and MySQL users. |
| 15:45:27 | orbit | But that could be feasible. |
| 15:46:03 | Jayce^ | plus, with hard limiting it with the system, you need to make your application catch the "no space left" errors and give the best error response.. |
| 15:46:30 | orbit | s/correspondance/correspondence |
| 15:46:52 | orbit | I'm actually thinking more on the virtual hosting side of things. |
| 15:47:11 | orbit | I.e., not hidden behind an application. |
| 15:47:15 | Jayce^ | ahh.. |
| 15:47:19 | orbit | Each user would have to deal with that error themselves. |
| 15:47:33 | Jayce^ | that's easier then.. |
| 15:47:39 | orbit | From what it sounds like they'd just get something that looks like 'no space left on device' |
| 15:48:12 | han_solo | orbit, if you can figure it out then the CS dept at byu might be able to give us students database access. that issue (and how to do housekeeping of users etc.) is what holds them back |
| 15:48:17 | Jayce^ | I remember creating something in perl once (app specific) that given a users ID, caclulated how much space they were using at the moment.. |
| 15:49:29 | Jayce^ | well mike says he wants to present on the linux virtual server project.. maybe he can cover that some.. |
| 15:49:46 | orbit | That would be cool. |
| 15:50:18 | orbit | I would be interested to how well it can scale... |
| 15:50:25 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, for those that don't know.. mike handy is looking for a job, if anybody knows of one around here.. |
| 15:50:50 | orbit | Did Neptune fold? |
| 15:51:27 | Jayce^ | not yet.. but will be he says.. |
| 15:51:35 | Jayce^ | so he's getting out before it's too late.. |
| 15:52:42 | orbit | ouch |
| 15:56:46 | Jayce^ | so he's moving back in the next month or so.. |
| 15:57:43 | Jayce^ | so anybody know a good telnet bbs + tradewars system we could use for PLUG? |
| 17:20:37 | regis | greetings |
| 17:22:07 | Jayce^ | that was quick |
| 17:54:17 | CosmicPenguin | How goes the convention? |
| 18:09:11 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, forgot abut that thing.. maybe I'll head up there tomorrow.. |
| 18:19:54 | Jayce^ | changing computers? |
| 18:27:29 | han_solo | Jayce^: me? |
| 18:27:38 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 18:28:33 | han_solo | lilo stuff |
| 18:28:51 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 18:29:27 | han_solo | i messed up lilo somehow and had to run the gauntlet. in the process I ended up with gui lilo screen and it dual-boots correctly now (that bonus must be due to the upgraded version of lilo) |
| 18:30:03 | Jayce^ | nice.. |
| 18:31:53 | CosmicPenguin | can't imagine going back to lilo |
| 18:31:58 | CosmicPenguin | grub is way too cool |
| 18:33:52 | han_solo | i looked at grub once |
| 18:34:00 | han_solo | the config file was so cryptic I didn't try it |
| 18:34:10 | han_solo | I don't reboot that often - I'd rather go with the simpler |
| 18:42:34 | CosmicPenguin | its pretty cool - especially how it can read your filesytem - never run a bootloader again... :) |
| 19:58:00 | Jayce^ | anybody know how you can tell imapd to have the users directory somewhere other than ~/ |
| 20:01:32 | taran | which server are you using? |
| 20:05:00 | Jayce^ | pine-imapd |
| 20:35:21 | han_solo | all I know is that it's quite different depending on which server |
| 20:41:03 | Jayce^ | yeah, I don't know any of them (never really done mail admin before..) |
| 20:57:00 | han_solo | is pine-imapd the same as uw-imapd? |
| 20:57:21 | han_solo | I'm using courier. it requires maildir (which isn't so bad except you have to set it up that way) |
| 20:57:35 | han_solo | it at least puts things in a subdir (~/Maildir) |
| 20:59:29 | Jayce^ | I thought about installing that one... might still.. |
| 20:59:53 | Jayce^ | but does that mean postfix has to deliver it to a maildir too? |
| 21:01:27 | han_solo | yup |
| 21:01:50 | han_solo | pretty sure, that is |
| 21:01:52 | han_solo | not positive |
| 21:02:19 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. maybe orbit knows.. since he's the postfix king here.. |
| 21:08:20 | han_solo | i know i set exim up to deliver maildir, but i don't recall if it was necessary, convenient, or I just felt like it while I was overhauling email |