| 00:59:22 | han_solo | is catching up on uug again... |
| 01:00:34 | han_solo | tires of mysql questions |
| 01:09:16 | han_solo | brailsmt: I know you're having fun with fxruby and opengl, but how about a break? |
| 01:09:47 | brailsmt | han_solo: actually not fxruby, but Fox (as in the C++) variety |
| 01:10:03 | brailsmt | hrm... my parens didn't behave correctly there... |
| 01:10:05 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:10:39 | han_solo | at the moment, with my low uptime I could even be talked into booting into windows |
| 01:12:58 | brailsmt | han_solo: so are you saying you feel a game of starcraft coming on? |
| 01:13:01 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:13:14 | han_solo | nudges brailsmt ;-) |
| 01:13:38 | brailsmt | hey, reboot and I'm there |
| 01:13:40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:13:55 | han_solo | ok. anyone got an irc client for windows to recommend? |
| 01:14:44 | brailsmt | recommend? no, but there is chatzilla that comes with mozilla |
| 01:14:55 | han_solo | ah yes. that'll do |
| 01:14:59 | han_solo | reboots |
| 01:19:50 | han_solo | ok. I have never played starcraft against a human before |
| 01:20:00 | han_solo | so I certainly am as lame as can be |
| 01:20:11 | han_solo | but hopefully I'll be a different lame than the computer. :) |
| 01:21:38 | brailsmt | well we can play v computer if you want... |
| 01:21:50 | brailsmt | anyway, I am on battle.net in channel uug |
| 01:21:51 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:23:52 | brailsmt | han_solo: hello? |
| 01:23:54 | brailsmt | bsod? |
| 01:23:57 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:33:20 | brailsmt | han_solo: you there? |
| 01:59:30 | han_solo | can't sit still? |
| 01:59:58 | brailsmt_ | i just reconnected my linux box and hooked up the network... |
| 02:00:20 | han_solo | ic |
| 02:01:19 | han_solo | well, while I'm in windows I want to see what my video card can do in it |
| 02:01:35 | han_solo | what's the quick way to look at that (esp. re accelleration) |
| 02:03:12 | brailsmt_ | beats me |
| 02:03:15 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 02:03:57 | han_solo | guess I'll just try what I hope will work (flightgear) |
| 02:08:15 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 02:48:00) |
| 02:08:30 | brailsmt_ | http://msn.zdnet.com/partners/msn/bandwidth/speedtest.htm. |
| 02:08:40 | brailsmt_ | han_solo: check that out for curiousity sake... |
| 02:08:57 | brailsmt_ | 1391.1 Kbps |
| 02:09:13 | brailsmt_ | that is what it rates my bandwidth... |
| 02:10:00 | han_solo | 1817.7 Kbps |
| 02:10:14 | CosmicPenguin | 1891.5 Kbps |
| 02:11:11 | brailsmt_ | i don't see how that would be a problem... stupid battle.net |
| 02:11:30 | fozz | falls on his face |
| 02:11:37 | han_solo | well, without even a direct connection option, I say stupid starcraft |
| 02:11:41 | brailsmt_ | laughs |
| 02:12:01 | brailsmt_ | you can direct connect... on the same network |
| 02:12:43 | brailsmt_ | well, back to fox and opengl |
| 02:14:01 | han_solo | dejectedly goes back to his homework |
| 02:14:02 | brailsmt_ | han_solo: btw, while you are in windows, check out winamp3 |
| 02:14:09 | brailsmt_ | it is really nice |
| 04:42:25 | scottj | hi loren |
| 04:43:06 | brailsmt | any OpenGL programmers in here? |
| 04:43:18 | scottj | not I |
| 04:46:34 | LrnChndlr | hello scott |
| 04:46:37 | LrnChndlr | not me |
| 04:47:07 | scottj | lindows is already 2.0? thought the first version just came out a few months ago. |
| 04:47:13 | scottj | somebody is desperate for maturity |
| 04:47:52 | scottj | I think an OS needs a little more than "the ability to browse Windows network shares and map them as you would on a Windows machine" to support a new major version number |
| 04:48:21 | LrnChndlr | that's it? they added samba? |
| 04:49:00 | brailsmt | it is the linux distro version number race... |
| 04:49:15 | scottj | they're way behind :) |
| 04:49:27 | LrnChndlr | hey, sweet, plug.org is already using my gif |
| 04:49:35 | brailsmt | since normal joe computer user sees a higher number and says "Gee, a higher number must mean a better product" |
| 04:50:07 | scottj | for some reason I think that's not really true, but I'm not a marketting expert |
| 04:50:17 | scottj | I would love to see an actual study that showed that is true |
| 04:50:50 | LrnChndlr | well, they probably needed to bump the version number, there are a lot of people that are afraid of a 1.x version number |
| 04:51:00 | scottj | I think there are atleast a dozen things more important to most user than the actual version number |
| 04:51:21 | LrnChndlr | a commercial product like that shouldn't start with 1.0 anyway, whoever did that was an idiot |
| 04:51:47 | scottj | well they're stupid because they call it v2.0.0 and I assume the did the same w/ v1, which means although they put in all those places they're going to refuse to use them |
| 04:51:47 | brailsmt | scottj: i think you are over estimating granda fern and billy bob hillbilly that just want a computer... |
| 04:52:39 | scottj | brailsmt, on the top of why they choose some app would be 1) what the rep at computer store tells them to get 2) what comes on their PC 3) what their kids tell them is the greatest app |
| 04:52:52 | scottj | version number is like two dozen items down the list imo |
| 04:53:38 | scottj | LrnChndlr, I think that's exactly why years have become so popular |
| 04:53:52 | scottj | you can start an app and call it Lindows 2002 and no one knows it's just 1.0 |
| 04:53:59 | scottj | s/app/product |
| 04:54:20 | LrnChndlr | i agree that it probably isn't a conscience decision, but numbers can play tricks on the brain |
| 04:54:23 | brailsmt | opengl is driving me nuts... |
| 04:54:50 | bbeattie | brailsmt: anything I could help you with? |
| 04:54:58 | scottj | LrnChndlr, they can, but seriously, the people who are going to pick version 2 app over version 1 app are more likely to pick one of the other because it has a nicer box |
| 04:55:06 | scottj | most people have no clue what version their apps are |
| 04:55:23 | scottj | besides say microsoft word or windows, because they are always printing it on their splash screens |
| 04:56:03 | brailsmt | bbeattie: if you are willing to hold a newbies hand for a little bit... :| |
| 04:56:19 | brailsmt | HAH!!! |
| 04:56:25 | brailsmt | 1 down |
| 04:56:33 | LrnChndlr | for example, at my company we recently changed some pricing on (for example) a $699 product to $695 because the perceived difference when looking at the two numbers, separate from each other of course, is more than just $4 and it can actually make a difference in sales, even on the big ticket items like that |
| 04:56:46 | brailsmt | i am having trouble with the coordinates of the points that I want to plot |
| 04:57:00 | bbeattie | not showing up? |
| 04:57:12 | brailsmt | well, not on the canvas :) |
| 04:57:21 | brailsmt | if I scale them by 0.0025 they show up |
| 04:57:43 | bbeattie | make sure you draw the pixels at a -1 for the z location, also, what is your viewport/camera? or are you using drawpixel? |
| 04:58:12 | brailsmt | i am using just gl stuff... |
| 04:58:22 | scottj | hmm, I wonder if Sun is so interested in trying to hurt MS that they are going to hurt themselves even more |
| 04:58:34 | LrnChndlr | Solaris 2003? |
| 04:58:35 | LrnChndlr | hehehe |
| 04:58:58 | scottj | I mean, selling low cost PCs? haven't they been paying attention to how the other PC makers are having troubles doing exactly that? |
| 04:59:22 | brailsmt | bbeattie: I am basically right now wading through docs, and exmaples trying to decipher it all, and I am not having too much luck... |
| 04:59:39 | bbeattie | brailsmt: are you using setpixel though to toggle a pixel on and off? |
| 05:00:02 | brailsmt | no |
| 05:00:05 | brailsmt | glBegin(GL_POINTS); |
| 05:00:05 | brailsmt | glVertex2i(1,1); |
| 05:00:05 | brailsmt | glVertex2i(10,10); |
| 05:00:05 | brailsmt | glEnd(); |
| 05:00:08 | brailsmt | I am doing that... |
| 05:00:21 | brailsmt | amidst other stuff |
| 05:00:56 | bbeattie | what is your camera config? (what color? it could be drawing them in black) |
| 05:01:42 | brailsmt | camera? you mean the viewport? |
| 05:02:24 | brailsmt | they are black just prior to the glBegin...glEnd i have "glColor3f(0, 0, 0);" |
| 05:05:13 | bbeattie | right, same difference. on camera/viewport. Um, try 0,1,0, something other than black or white. |
| 05:05:43 | brailsmt | wait... |
| 05:05:56 | brailsmt | i _think_ i may have found the problem... |
| 05:06:03 | brailsmt | crosses fingers |
| 05:06:31 | brailsmt | ok, it had nothing to do with OpenGL... |
| 05:06:42 | bbeattie | one of the biggest pains with opengl, as getting a good starting file. |
| 05:06:47 | brailsmt | promises to read the FOX documenation better next time |
| 05:09:06 | brailsmt | if anyone uses OpenGL with the Fox gui toolkit, you have to wrap all your OpenGL calls in FXGLCanvas::makeCurrent()...FXGLCanvas::makeNonCurrent() calls... |
| 05:09:15 | brailsmt | i hope my pain can help others :) |
| 05:10:23 | bbeattie | now if I can get someone to help me with php/nuke issues. ;) |
| 05:10:25 | brailsmt | you think that "for(int i=0;i<200;i++) glVertex2i(i, i);" would draw a straight diagonal line... |
| 05:10:35 | brailsmt | i don't php or nuke |
| 05:10:36 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:10:40 | brailsmt | err... |
| 05:10:44 | brailsmt | i don't know... |
| 05:11:33 | LrnChndlr | bbeattie: i haven't messed with it for a while, but what is the problem? |
| 05:13:06 | bbeattie | phpnuke doesn't like me, or probably my database, |
| 05:13:17 | bbeattie | Warning: mysql_num_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /var/lib/phpnuke/includes/sql_layer.php on line 238 |
| 05:14:09 | bbeattie | all pages show up with about 5 or 6 of these in all sorts of areas where items should be, other messages like, Sorry, this Module isn't active!, but I was able to set the admin/first user |
| 05:15:18 | LrnChndlr | did you check line 238 in sql_layer.php? |
| 05:15:33 | LrnChndlr | what arguments are being passed to the function? |
| 05:16:17 | bbeattie | $rows=mysql_num_rows($res); |
| 05:17:00 | LrnChndlr | where is $res first defined? |
| 05:18:22 | bbeattie | You'll have to parden me, I havn't learned php yet, but it's first referenced there, otherwise there is function set_result( $res ) { |
| 05:18:24 | bbeattie | $this->result = $res; |
| 05:18:24 | bbeattie | } |
| 05:19:17 | bbeattie | and that function call is in class ResultSet |
| 05:20:22 | bbeattie | all lines having problems deal with $res |
| 05:20:49 | LrnChndlr | http://www.phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3530 |
| 05:21:00 | LrnChndlr | what version of MySQL do you have? |
| 05:21:39 | bbeattie | 3.32.52 |
| 05:22:05 | LrnChndlr | is that recent? (shows how much I use it) |
| 05:22:36 | bbeattie | running debian unstable |
| 05:24:07 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 05:24:10 | LrnChndlr | http://www.phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3447 |
| 05:28:37 | LrnChndlr | http://www.phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3530 |
| 05:28:44 | LrnChndlr | that ones seems to be the most promising |
| 05:28:51 | LrnChndlr | some of the comments, that is |
| 05:29:21 | LrnChndlr | could be that all of the tables weren't created in the db, or one guy running debian had a permissions problem |
| 05:29:31 | LrnChndlr | on the /tmp directory, i think |
| 05:31:44 | LrnChndlr | another response recommends adding this code on the line after the line producing the error (well, actually it wasn't exactly clear where to put it in relation to the error line, but that is my guess): echo mysql_error(); |
| 05:32:15 | bbeattie | also possibly apache/ssl browser, or dns problems, |
| 05:33:32 | LrnChndlr | another guy says: Starting getting the 283 on a fresh install when I tried to check the Link Modification Request. Although the changes would take affect the error messages were a distraction. Using the @ before the function on line 283 worked for me. |
| 05:34:05 | LrnChndlr | another says: i had this problem, and i desactive survey and now no more problem |
| 05:34:09 | LrnChndlr | sheesh :-) |
| 05:34:34 | LrnChndlr | a problem with a lot of possible causes, apparently |
| 05:35:03 | bbeattie | yup, I'm going to drop the nuke database and start all over |
| 05:35:34 | LrnChndlr | how did you create it in the first place? |
| 05:36:25 | bbeattie | did a mysqladmin create nuke and then ran a script into it, (followed the instructions step by step) |
| 05:37:07 | LrnChndlr | like "mysql nuke < nuke.sql"? |
| 05:39:45 | bbeattie | mysqladmin -uroot -p create nuke |
| 05:39:51 | bbeattie | mysql nuke -uroot -p < /usr/share/doc/phpnuke/sql/nuke.sql |
| 05:40:19 | LrnChndlr | wow |
| 05:40:31 | bbeattie | BZFlag: you just get home tim? |
| 05:40:51 | BZFlag | nah, just workin round the house. |
| 05:40:54 | LrnChndlr | i usually just su to root and the "mysql nuke < nuke.sql |
| 05:41:14 | LrnChndlr | i guess it's about time I installed the latest |
| 05:41:33 | LrnChndlr | the version I have at http://chandler.kinfolk.org/phpnuke52/ is 5.2 |
| 05:41:38 | LrnChndlr | pretty old |
| 05:42:15 | bbeattie | the mysqladmin -uroot -p create nuke isn't for su, it's the main full access to the mysql database system |
| 05:49:03 | LrnChndlr | hmmm, was pretty simple for me |
| 05:49:06 | LrnChndlr | http://chandler.kinfolk.org/phpnuke56/ |
| 05:56:04 | LrnChndlr | i just unzip/untar'd the install package in the right directory, changed all the perms to be owned by the web user, dropped the old nuke db like "mysqladmin drop nuke" then created it again with "mysqladmin create nuke" then populated it with "mysql nuke < nuke.sql". |
| 05:57:40 | bbeattie | yours worked fine? |
| 06:00:38 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 06:00:41 | LrnChndlr | to a degree |
| 06:00:54 | LrnChndlr | i dont see any errors like you are getting |
| 06:01:03 | LrnChndlr | but some of the forms are messed up |
| 06:04:14 | LrnChndlr | hmmmm |
| 06:04:22 | LrnChndlr | ls -l |
| 06:04:26 | LrnChndlr | oops |
| 06:10:07 | LrnChndlr | yeah |
| 06:10:10 | LrnChndlr | this sucks |
| 06:10:47 | bbeattie | ? |
| 06:10:51 | bbeattie | everything break? |
| 06:12:04 | LrnChndlr | no, but most form fields are broken so that i can't submit any changes |
| 06:14:02 | bbeattie | is phpnuke inherently breaking from version to version? |
| 06:15:22 | LrnChndlr | dunno, lately, but that was one reason for a lot of the spin-off's, they liked the ideas behind most things, but not the tight-fisted attitude that kept it from being stable |
| 06:16:32 | bbeattie | such as postnuke? |
| 06:17:21 | LrnChndlr | yes |
| 06:17:48 | LrnChndlr | let more people contribute and took people's bug reports more seriously |
| 06:17:56 | bbeattie | what is the "most stable" project? |
| 06:18:37 | LrnChndlr | dunno |
| 06:18:51 | LrnChndlr | you can see how they are rated on freshmeat or sourceforge |
| 06:19:39 | bbeattie | hmm, postnuke looks exactly like phpnuke setup |
| 06:19:49 | LrnChndlr | the old 5.2 version i had was pretty stable, now i'm sad i dropped it |
| 06:23:01 | brailsmt | bbeattie: you there? |
| 06:24:07 | brailsmt | I am drawing a line by drawing each pixel from the start to end point, but the line looks like crap, it isn't even continous... |
| 06:24:43 | bbeattie | yes |
| 06:25:03 | bbeattie | brailsmt: ddr or brahsenman? |
| 06:25:16 | brailsmt | bresenham |
| 06:25:18 | bbeattie | (spelling isn't a reflection of knowledge, sorta) |
| 06:25:21 | brailsmt | dda is next |
| 06:26:07 | bbeattie | I bet it's the lines that are more verticle than horizontal that arn't as contineous? |
| 06:26:19 | brailsmt | i am plotting a bunch of points with ints... could that be the problem? if it is bresenham was designed to use ints... |
| 06:26:46 | brailsmt | no, the line is more horizontal than vertical |
| 06:27:03 | brailsmt | (10, 10) -> (100, 33) |
| 06:27:14 | bbeattie | draw a horizontal line, and one that's at 45 degrees, then one at about 80 degrees |
| 06:27:34 | bbeattie | tell me what % of those are broken up |
| 06:29:26 | brailsmt | okie... |
| 06:29:31 | LrnChndlr | good night all |
| 06:30:05 | brailsmt | its getting late... I am leaving off ';'s... |
| 06:30:09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 06:31:13 | brailsmt | they all are |
| 06:32:40 | bbeattie | brailsmt: if you have time, send me the code, I can check the alg. |
| 06:32:59 | bbeattie | it could be an iteration issue |
| 06:33:14 | brailsmt | ok, the algo is not complete, it only handles 0 < m < 1... |
| 06:33:44 | bbeattie | how can you draw a line with points as ints, for 0 < m < 1? :) |
| 06:34:26 | brailsmt | easy... i draw from (10, 10) to (100, 33)... |
| 06:34:44 | brailsmt | m == 43/110 |
| 06:36:23 | brailsmt | 12.254.137.186/line.cpp |
| 06:37:05 | bbeattie | *nod* |
| 06:38:02 | brailsmt | the function is question is... drawBresneham |
| 06:38:13 | brailsmt | surprise, surprise :) |
| 13:14:06 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:58:53) |
| 13:16:48 | han_solo | CosmicPenguin: you get back from work at 8:30a? |
| 13:20:52 | CosmicPenguin | get back *to* work at 8:30A |
| 14:25:49 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: so did you want to see a copy of that Apache worm? |
| 19:12:34 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: nah, busy now. I'll look it up some other time. |
| 19:22:36 | Jayce^ | whew.. got my ip back.. |
| 19:22:44 | Jayce^ | now I guess I'd better lock down my gateway. |
| 19:42:09 | BZFlag | <Jayce^> whew.. got my ip back.. ?? someone stole your ip? |
| 19:42:44 | Jayce^ | when my isp changed circuits, they put me back on an internal IP, no public/static.. just got that back today.. |
| 19:43:27 | Jayce^ | considers putting Slash::Wiki on the plug site for the about/faq pages |
| 19:44:27 | han_solo | BZFlag: oh hardware meister. What sort of range does the IR on an HP48 have? |
| 19:44:50 | Jayce^ | only like 4 feet isnt' it? max? |
| 19:45:13 | Jayce^ | anybody want an old 48gx? |
| 19:45:48 | han_solo | sure, Jayce^ |
| 19:46:13 | Jayce^ | not free! :D |
| 19:46:32 | Jayce^ | just found mine the other day in my misc computer stuff.. haven't used it in a while.. |
| 19:49:07 | han_solo | how much Jayce^? |
| 19:49:25 | han_solo | (don't you use it?) |
| 19:52:35 | Jayce^ | haven't in quite a while.. last time I used it was a physics class a couple of years ago.. |
| 19:55:02 | levi | Man. The 48g has got to be the most useful calculator in the world. I'd hate to part with mine. |
| 19:55:22 | han_solo | i'd never part with mine |
| 19:55:41 | han_solo | not even for a new palm or zaurus or something |
| 19:55:56 | han_solo | well, maybe I would - then sell it and get a slightly used one and buy another hp48 :) |
| 19:56:30 | levi | Hmm. I'll bet you could run the hp48 emulator pretty well on a Zaurus. |
| 19:57:01 | levi | Which wouldn't be quite the same, I know, but it'd be handy if you didn't have the hp48 around. |
| 19:57:19 | Jayce^ | yeah, I want a zaurus. |
| 19:57:43 | levi | I want UPS to deliver my Zaurus already! |
| 19:57:55 | levi | It's still sitting in a warehouse in Illinois, according to their tracker. :/ |
| 19:58:40 | Jayce^ | offers an hp 48 gx and a visor prism for a zaurus :D |
| 19:59:14 | Jayce^ | no expansion cards for either though.. both are empty |
| 19:59:49 | BZFlag | han_solo: hmm. I'm a software meister... ;-) but I'd say 4 feet sounds about right. |
| 20:00:24 | han_solo | BZFlag: come now, you know more about cool hardware devices than anyone I know. :) |
| 20:00:37 | Jayce^ | heh.. I remember my teacher compaining since some of the first models didn't have that limitation... had a student who also had a printer.. would pass equations/answers to another guy in class |
| 20:01:04 | BZFlag | han_solo: well, ok. that might be true. ;-) |
| 20:01:59 | BZFlag | Jayce^: yes I recall that. The first models could actually talk to each other when about 15 feet apart. |
| 20:05:42 | han_solo | schemes a bit. Say BZFlag, since you collect old hardware how would you like to trade an old palm pilot (the original series) with 2megs ram (a LOT for that model) for something with at least 4 megs ram? ;-) |
| 20:05:53 | Jayce^ | woohoo.. new perlQT bindings :D let's you use QTdesigner.. |
| 20:06:46 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, as for hardware collection (especially any EE type guys) anyone interested in getting a CPM box? |
| 20:06:54 | han_solo | CPM? |
| 20:07:06 | Jayce^ | han_solo: old.. very old.. |
| 20:07:26 | Jayce^ | pre-DOS |
| 20:09:44 | han_solo | what did it run then? |
| 20:11:23 | Jayce^ | CPM |
| 20:18:50 | han_solo | CPM - Computing Paperless Machine? |
| 20:24:03 | CosmicPenguin | has the perlQT bindings been released yet? |
| 20:24:44 | Jayce^ | http://perlqt.infonium.com/ |
| 20:55:43 | han_solo | wb ibot |
| 20:55:53 | | mas o menos |
| 20:55:53 | han_solo | ibot, how are you? |
| 20:56:02 | | han_solo: i'm not following you... |
| 20:56:02 | han_solo | ibot i'm sorry to hear that |
| 21:05:05 | Jayce^ | mais ou menos.. spell it correctly :D |
| 22:33:49 | brailsmt | Jayce^: ibot *did* spell it correctly :) |
| 22:39:31 | han_solo | brailsmt: dd should be all you need to make a disk image |
| 22:39:37 | han_solo | and to restore it |
| 22:44:02 | brailsmt | dd is a windows cmd? |
| 22:44:18 | han_solo | no, linux |
| 22:44:19 | han_solo | man dd |
| 22:44:34 | han_solo | i'm assuming you want to back it up over the network? |
| 22:44:37 | brailsmt | i want to create an image of my windows drive |
| 22:44:45 | han_solo | right |
| 22:47:03 | han_solo | only one partition on the thing? |
| 22:47:12 | han_solo | (no linux yet, right?) |
| 23:13:14 | | bzflag: i don't know |
| 23:13:14 | BZFlag | ibot cpm? |
| 23:13:18 | BZFlag | heh |
| 23:13:24 | | BZFlag: huh? |
| 23:13:24 | BZFlag | ibot jargon cpm |
| 23:13:29 | BZFlag | ah well. |