| 01:25:24 | Jayce^ | hey HarleyPig... |
| 01:25:29 | Jayce^ | what you doing tomorrow? |
| 02:21:23 | Jayce^ | wb fozz |
| 02:32:40 | fozz | Oh thanks. |
| 02:32:46 | fozz | That was very weird. 'screen' just died. |
| 02:33:00 | fozz | It spat out some witty comment... and then... it was gone. |
| 02:33:43 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 02:33:51 | Jayce^ | so you ever come back up here to check out the other houses? |
| 02:37:41 | fozz | Yeah- actually. Sunday. |
| 02:37:49 | fozz | Brought my wife. |
| 02:37:55 | fozz | Just drove around. |
| 02:38:06 | fozz | We found a house in Lehi that I'm actually walking through tomorrow afternoon. |
| 02:38:09 | Jayce^ | cool.. |
| 02:38:19 | Jayce^ | not sure of the broadband options down there.. |
| 02:38:26 | fozz | It looks like DSL is available. |
| 02:38:27 | Jayce^ | got a friend down there, I'll ask.. |
| 02:38:32 | fozz | The house is wired with ethernet as well. |
| 02:38:43 | fozz | It's on the west side of Lehi- 1200 West. Close to Hwy73 |
| 02:38:52 | fozz | Hey- what's that tower on the west side of your house? |
| 02:38:57 | Jayce^ | they are just starting a new development behind that hill behind me.. |
| 02:39:01 | Jayce^ | 802.11b :D |
| 02:39:10 | fozz | Oh yeah? |
| 02:39:16 | fozz | Who ya sharing with? |
| 02:39:30 | Jayce^ | actually I used to be a cell site for the network, but won't be needing it anymore.. will be taking it down and I'll be feeding off the new closer location.. |
| 02:39:33 | Jayce^ | all of town :D |
| 02:39:44 | fozz | Oh cool. |
| 02:40:05 | fozz | So not only does Eagle Mountain provide DSl... but The Ranches has its own GuerillaNet? |
| 02:41:09 | Jayce^ | kinda.. it's a company doing broadband via 802.11.. that's who I'm on.. |
| 02:42:39 | fozz | Huh. |
| 02:42:52 | fozz | Is that better than the DSL? |
| 02:44:20 | Jayce^ | I think so.. |
| 02:44:56 | Jayce^ | basically in those condos in the middle, they connect into the circuit there, (t1 right now I think) and have a main tower, then several repeaters |
| 02:45:14 | fozz | Huh. |
| 02:45:18 | Jayce^ | so 11mbit in town.. then obviously they have different rate plans, most cheaper than the dsl. |
| 02:45:25 | fozz | Wow. |
| 02:45:49 | Jayce^ | going outside of town is limited based on how much you pay.. |
| 03:27:09 | LrnChndlr | any javascript geniuses in here? |
| 03:32:19 | brailsmt | is that oxymoronic? :) |
| 03:32:25 | brailsmt | not I... |
| 03:33:26 | LrnChndlr | :) |
| 03:43:02 | LrnChndlr | ok, I'm setting a javascript variable (which is a float) in the head section, and I want to pass it as a parameter later to a javascript function that takes a float as a variable. How do I indicate in the call to that function to pass the variable's value rather than the name of the variable itself (which obviously won't work)? |
| 03:43:18 | LrnChndlr | or do i even have to indicate that? |
| 03:43:35 | LrnChndlr | perhaps if I just pass it the vriable name it will figure it out on it's own? |
| 03:44:16 | LrnChndlr | I don't know javascript that well so I don't know if there is a way to inidicate something is a variable like you do in perl with the $ symbol |
| 03:52:36 | brailsmt | beats me... though isn't javascript loosely types, ie you declare all vars of type 'var'? |
| 04:06:26 | Jayce^ | wow dan, you're on late.. |
| 04:06:36 | orbit | yeah, doing some stuff for work. |
| 04:06:47 | Jayce^ | what fun.. |
| 04:06:52 | orbit | Oh yeah. |
| 04:07:00 | Jayce^ | you know any designers that want to do some free work for plug.. |
| 04:07:09 | orbit | heheh. |
| 04:07:24 | Jayce^ | I tried doing some design work this weekend.. wound up undoing all my changes to get it usable again :D |
| 04:07:38 | orbit | heehee |
| 04:07:58 | orbit | Perhaps you could con someone from the design dept at BYU... |
| 04:08:16 | orbit | Oh wait, they'd probably end up using flash all over the front page... |
| 04:08:23 | orbit | ;-) |
| 04:08:49 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 04:09:30 | Jayce^ | you see the new logo? |
| 04:09:35 | orbit | Yeah. Nice. |
| 04:09:54 | orbit | It's cool I've got Plug headlines in my Evolution summary screen. |
| 04:10:05 | Jayce^ | http://www.purdueonlin.com <- slash site with a good design.. |
| 04:10:10 | Jayce^ | online |
| 04:10:17 | Jayce^ | typo there.. |
| 04:10:22 | orbit | plug.org/plug.rdf |
| 04:10:53 | orbit | Nice. |
| 04:12:11 | Jayce^ | I liek how they did the top bar.. much cleaner looking... plus the themed/consistent topic icons.. |
| 04:12:26 | orbit | Yes. |
| 04:12:27 | LrnChndlr | is that "Slashdot Like Automated Storytelling Homepage" gif just a default??? |
| 04:12:30 | orbit | Very nice. |
| 04:12:40 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 04:12:44 | LrnChndlr | it's been there a while |
| 04:12:49 | LrnChndlr | seems a little silly |
| 04:12:51 | Jayce^ | need to change it or make the design not need it.. |
| 04:13:12 | Jayce^ | yeah, I tried getting rid of it.. but my design sucked bad... so I put it back.. |
| 04:14:15 | Jayce^ | so if anybody has any O'reilly or New riders reviews.. put them up tomorrow or the day after, I need to write both of them this week, so it'd be nice to get all the reviews in at once.. |
| 04:15:09 | LrnChndlr | just edit it in gimp and erase the current text andmake it say something like "Provo Linux Users Group - Provo, UT, USA" or something |
| 04:15:49 | Jayce^ | yeah, I started to, but I'm really bad with design.. :) seriously, I can mess even that up.. |
| 04:16:15 | LrnChndlr | it's just text on an image |
| 04:16:20 | Jayce^ | I really wanted to change the design a bit, but that messed up the most.. |
| 04:16:48 | Jayce^ | not that the html was bad, that I can do, but image manipulation, and just design ability is a black hole to me.. |
| 04:18:07 | Jayce^ | anybody got a new poll they want to see? |
| 04:18:32 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 04:18:33 | orbit | Favorite MTA? |
| 04:18:38 | LrnChndlr | ha ha |
| 04:18:42 | LrnChndlr | not that again |
| 04:18:44 | orbit | what is the one true MTA? |
| 04:18:52 | | i guess the one true MTA is the almighty Postfix |
| 04:18:52 | orbit | ibot, what is the one true MTA? |
| 04:18:56 | orbit | hehehe. |
| 04:19:23 | LrnChndlr | how about polling to see what IRC/chat software is used |
| 04:19:52 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. good idea... |
| 04:20:54 | Jayce^ | xchat, ksirc, bitchx, epic4... gaim? |
| 04:21:04 | LrnChndlr | wow, gimp has gotten a bit more like photoshop since i used it last |
| 04:21:15 | LrnChndlr | yes, gaim can do IRC |
| 04:21:19 | Jayce^ | I just learned the other day it can use photoshop plugins.. |
| 04:21:20 | bbeattie | zirc too, |
| 04:21:22 | orbit | ircii :-) |
| 04:21:26 | Jayce^ | anything else.. |
| 04:21:30 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 04:21:31 | LrnChndlr | yes, don't forget ircii |
| 04:21:35 | bbeattie | jabber does irc too, |
| 04:21:37 | Jayce^ | zirc.. added |
| 04:21:49 | LrnChndlr | i wonder if everybuddy does irc? |
| 04:21:52 | orbit | telnet host port 6667 |
| 04:22:03 | orbit | What's the Thayne response? |
| 04:22:25 | Jayce^ | it'll be the telnet one.. |
| 04:22:30 | Jayce^ | use thayne as the host.. |
| 04:22:33 | LrnChndlr | i used to have a web-based java irc client somewhere |
| 04:22:39 | orbit | telnet thayne 6667 |
| 04:23:20 | bbeattie | Jayce^: s/zirc/zic (no r) |
| 04:23:38 | Jayce^ | oops.. k |
| 04:23:42 | LrnChndlr | should proprietary IM programs be included? |
| 04:23:44 | LrnChndlr | AIM |
| 04:23:48 | orbit | mirc |
| 04:23:51 | LrnChndlr | Yahoos |
| 04:23:59 | LrnChndlr | MSN |
| 04:24:08 | LrnChndlr | ICQ |
| 04:25:15 | Jayce^ | hrmmm. mirc is a good idea.. |
| 04:25:32 | Jayce^ | zic or ircii .. gotta choose one.. |
| 04:25:35 | Jayce^ | out of slots.. |
| 04:26:16 | orbit | Anybody deal with massive amounts of mail traffic? |
| 04:26:32 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 04:26:45 | orbit | Just curious if anybody else has noticed how bad trying to send to hotmail.com is... |
| 04:26:54 | Jayce^ | yes... yes and yes!! :D |
| 04:27:21 | Jayce^ | but I've almost convinced my cto of the goodness of postfix (using sendmail right now) |
| 04:27:40 | orbit | hehe. |
| 04:28:01 | Jayce^ | new poll is up.. |
| 04:28:51 | Jayce^ | heads off to bed... later folks.. |
| 04:28:57 | orbit | night |
| 04:29:18 | LrnChndlr | sweet, 2 votes for xchat |
| 04:29:56 | orbit | 3 now ;-) |
| 04:35:07 | LrnChndlr | ok, I have a replacement gif |
| 04:35:20 | orbit | Somewhere I can see it online? |
| 04:35:31 | bbeattie | ircii will be a lot more common, not to many people use irc from a zaurus via an 802.11 card. |
| 04:35:31 | LrnChndlr | says "Provo Linux Users Group - Provo, UT, USA" |
| 04:35:44 | LrnChndlr | orbit, can you get dcc? |
| 04:36:28 | orbit | yeah |
| 04:36:59 | LrnChndlr | ok, I am offering it, slashslogan.gif |
| 04:37:10 | orbit | right. trying to pull it down..... |
| 04:37:14 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 04:37:36 | LrnChndlr | wonder if my router is blocking something here |
| 04:37:41 | orbit | Or mine... |
| 04:37:41 | LrnChndlr | shouldn't be |
| 04:38:02 | bbeattie | either of you being nat/ipmasq? |
| 04:38:13 | orbit | I'm Nat'ed/ |
| 04:38:32 | LrnChndlr | nat'ed via my DSL modem |
| 04:38:39 | orbit | same here. |
| 04:38:48 | bbeattie | sa that's why, |
| 04:38:54 | orbit | yah. |
| 04:39:08 | LrnChndlr | i haven't had problems getting mp3's via dcc before, though |
| 04:39:14 | bbeattie | right, |
| 04:39:15 | LrnChndlr | hmm |
| 04:39:28 | bbeattie | dcc works oddly, I can receive, but can't send, go figure. I'm ip masq'd. |
| 04:39:47 | bbeattie | I believe it's the response that can't get back to start the dcc. |
| 04:40:13 | LrnChndlr | is there a standard DCC port i could open on my router? |
| 04:40:28 | bbeattie | yes |
| 04:40:42 | LrnChndlr | any idea what it is? |
| 04:40:50 | bbeattie | best way to find out, run etherreal, log a dcc attempt, check the ports, |
| 04:40:59 | bbeattie | give me 1 minute, |
| 04:41:14 | orbit | Just try to dcc me again...I saw the port there. |
| 04:41:52 | LrnChndlr | hehe |
| 04:41:53 | orbit | 33221 As reported by my client. |
| 04:42:04 | orbit | I'd guess it's randomly chosen. |
| 04:42:44 | bbeattie | no, |
| 04:42:56 | LrnChndlr | looks like in xchat i can set the port, let me try an open one like 80 |
| 04:43:38 | bbeattie | ports over 2^15 are negotiated ports. It appears irc first contacts via 6667, then they negotiate a new port to communicate on, but that new port isn't being forwared, only data can be sent out, but not in through that port. |
| 04:44:28 | LrnChndlr | what port did that say? |
| 04:44:39 | orbit | 33223 |
| 04:44:45 | LrnChndlr | darnit |
| 04:44:49 | bbeattie | I turned ethereal off before, |
| 04:44:49 | orbit | heh/ |
| 04:44:56 | bbeattie | what type of nat device do you have? |
| 04:45:12 | LrnChndlr | Cisco 675 |
| 04:45:20 | bbeattie | some have the option to "forward all" This will make things work, but make sure you disable it after, otherwise other systems won't work. |
| 04:45:40 | LrnChndlr | i dont think the cisco 675 has this option |
| 04:45:54 | LrnChndlr | i have to setup each port i want to forward |
| 04:45:55 | bbeattie | look for a choice/option to forward all to a certain IP on the local NAT network. |
| 04:46:11 | LrnChndlr | i've looked before |
| 04:46:32 | LrnChndlr | when i had to switch from bridging mode to ppp/routing mode |
| 04:47:03 | bbeattie | well, pull your cisco and connect your PC into the main network? |
| 04:47:22 | orbit | Or just post the image some where :-) |
| 04:47:29 | LrnChndlr | can't, it's a DSL modem |
| 04:47:45 | LrnChndlr | orbit: too easy ;) |
| 04:47:48 | LrnChndlr | ok |
| 04:48:16 | bbeattie | who is it from? provider? |
| 04:48:45 | LrnChndlr | http://chandler.kinfolk.org/slashslogan.gif |
| 04:49:11 | LrnChndlr | but since the background is invisible, you won't really know what it would look like in the theme |
| 04:49:16 | orbit | Nice. |
| 04:49:22 | bbeattie | sa most dsl modems give the system behind it (in this case the cisco) a real IP, most connections have 4 IP's assigned to it, broadcast, subnet mask, an IP for the modem, and one for the system behind idt. |
| 04:50:16 | LrnChndlr | i use csolutions |
| 04:50:32 | LrnChndlr | only one public IP, theone assigned to the router |
| 04:52:09 | LrnChndlr | orbit: do you know Jayce's email address? could you email him a copy of that gif for me? |
| 04:57:01 | LrnChndlr | it's probably not the greatest gif, but it's better than what's been there for months |
| 05:00:17 | bbeattie | how long did it take you to setup the plug.org/slashdot like system? |
| 05:01:37 | orbit | Actually jayce set it up. |
| 05:01:41 | orbit | NOt sure how long it took. |
| 05:03:04 | bbeattie | We could use something like that for SLLUG |
| 05:03:38 | orbit | You're familiar with slashcode? |
| 05:04:32 | bbeattie | indirectly, I'm one of those 1xxx slashdot id numbers. |
| 05:04:45 | orbit | hehe. |
| 05:05:23 | orbit | plug.org is pretty much vanilla slashcode. (slashcode.com) |
| 05:06:19 | bbeattie | When I went to school, someone redid sllug's pages and put in some cascading style sheets, which makes vi editing more difficult, and noone wants to edit them now :-/ |
| 05:06:47 | orbit | heheh, that wouldn't have been Erik Andersen, would it? |
| 05:07:07 | bbeattie | actually, no :) I don't think it was him |
| 05:08:07 | orbit | I'm curious as to what about CSS makes it hard to edit in vi? |
| 05:08:52 | brailsmt | nothing |
| 05:09:00 | brailsmt | i have done it... |
| 05:09:06 | orbit | Same here. |
| 05:09:09 | brailsmt | not a whole lot, but a little at least |
| 05:09:30 | brailsmt | oic... |
| 05:09:31 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:09:35 | LrnChndlr | i'm not too familiar with slashcode, I've played with PHP stuff like PHPNuke and PostNuke, though, and like 'em a lot |
| 05:09:39 | brailsmt | helps to read more than one line... :) |
| 05:09:57 | bbeattie | a combination of CSS, and having the whole page done in tables, and for people who don't know HTML too well, it turns into a mess for them. |
| 05:10:14 | orbit | I see. |
| 05:10:15 | brailsmt | well, html *is* a mess... |
| 05:10:23 | brailsmt | in my opinion |
| 05:10:41 | orbit | LrnChndlr: another blog system I like is geekcode. |
| 05:11:17 | LrnChndlr | i looked at that, i think that it started as a breakoff of PHPNuke, as did PostNuke |
| 05:11:58 | LrnChndlr | there is another breakoff, forget what it is called, but it is used by the Daily Herald website |
| 05:12:41 | LrnChndlr | myPHPortal |
| 05:12:45 | LrnChndlr | thats what it is |
| 05:12:51 | LrnChndlr | http://www.harktheherald.com/stats.php |
| 05:13:18 | LrnChndlr | vanilla PHPNuke stats page |
| 05:13:48 | brailsmt | then there is eruby... :) |
| 05:15:32 | brailsmt | like php, but ruby underneath :) |
| 05:17:51 | bbeattie | brailsmt: you're at the Y, correct? |
| 05:18:17 | brailsmt | yes |
| 05:19:38 | brailsmt | y? |
| 05:19:40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:20:14 | bbeattie | I'm just thinking how they teach more principles, rather than languages. There are so many languages that knowing what goes on behind all of them is helpful in being able to learn a new language fast, be it PHP, ruby, c#, mono, and the average 2 popular languages that come out per year. |
| 05:21:00 | brailsmt | i think byu has it right by teaching theory... |
| 05:21:12 | brailsmt | "Theory gives you wings" - Dr. Aurel Cornell |
| 05:21:17 | brailsmt | pretty good quote |
| 05:21:36 | LrnChndlr | i thought it was red bull |
| 05:21:37 | orbit | I'll second brailsmt's opinion. |
| 05:21:53 | orbit | Although I didn't think so so much early in college. |
| 05:22:02 | brailsmt | me neither |
| 05:22:14 | brailsmt | i even took some classes at uvsc to see what it was like... |
| 05:22:19 | orbit | Now that I've been 'in the real world' for a while, I see just how valuable the theory is. |
| 05:22:19 | LrnChndlr | hey, whats the ctrl key to use in Pine to attach a file? |
| 05:22:27 | brailsmt | byu's approach is better, in my opinion |
| 05:22:31 | orbit | ^T |
| 05:22:36 | bbeattie | k |
| 05:22:42 | LrnChndlr | t is spell check |
| 05:22:51 | LrnChndlr | k is cut text |
| 05:22:57 | orbit | Oh, works when the cursor is in the attachement line :-) |
| 05:22:58 | bbeattie | really? |
| 05:23:06 | bbeattie | j |
| 05:23:11 | bbeattie | sa ^J then |
| 05:23:29 | orbit | Ah, nice. |
| 05:23:32 | LrnChndlr | bbeattie: yeah, for the most part pine uses pico editing ctrl characters, where k is to cut a line of text |
| 05:23:44 | LrnChndlr | j is justify |
| 05:24:18 | orbit | ^T in the attachement line takes you 'to files' |
| 05:24:23 | bbeattie | bah, my memory is failing |
| 05:25:12 | LrnChndlr | AH! |
| 05:25:32 | LrnChndlr | yes, ctrl-t if the cursor is in the attachment line |
| 05:25:45 | orbit | yep |
| 05:25:57 | LrnChndlr | and i guess i could just type the filename in as well |
| 05:26:07 | LrnChndlr | but i'm lazy like dat |
| 05:26:11 | orbit | heh |
| 05:26:21 | brailsmt | loves cscope + vim |
| 05:27:55 | LrnChndlr | well, on my work server i have my choice of mail, pine or elm |
| 05:28:09 | brailsmt | not mutt? |
| 05:28:17 | LrnChndlr | doubt it |
| 05:28:19 | LrnChndlr | lemme check |
| 05:28:29 | orbit | less /var/spool/mail/<user> works well in a pinch ;-) |
| 05:28:37 | brailsmt | lol |
| 05:28:43 | LrnChndlr | no mutt |
| 05:29:42 | brailsmt | sorry :) |
| 05:30:14 | LrnChndlr | http://chandler.kinfolk.org/phpnuke52/ |
| 05:30:43 | LrnChndlr | here's the last PHPNuke that I played with |
| 05:32:28 | LrnChndlr | it's up to v6 now |
| 05:32:40 | bbeattie | what are the key differences between PHPNuke and slashcode? |
| 05:32:50 | orbit | PHP and Perl |
| 05:33:32 | bbeattie | besides that? |
| 05:33:58 | orbit | From my limited experience with both, I'd say slashcode is a bit more featureful and mature. |
| 05:34:06 | orbit | But much harder to set up. |
| 05:34:45 | orbit | As long as the moon is a waxing third quarter, and you do the right rituals, it should work out ok. |
| 05:34:52 | LrnChndlr | orbit: phpnuke modules are a cinch and there are buttloads of them, so featureset isn't necessarily a factor |
| 05:35:57 | bbeattie | so flip a coin basically |
| 05:36:04 | LrnChndlr | i've written/modified a couple modules myself, one a to-do list for subscribed members, and then improved the original file manager/webspace for subscribed members |
| 05:36:11 | LrnChndlr | which would be cool to have on plug |
| 05:36:23 | LrnChndlr | each plug member could put up a page there |
| 05:36:38 | LrnChndlr | www.plug.org/username |
| 05:36:46 | orbit | That would be nice. |
| 05:37:01 | orbit | Also to have plug.org/username/resume would be nice too. |
| 05:37:02 | bbeattie | can subscribed members have personal webpages, that other subscribed members can see?? |
| 05:37:51 | LrnChndlr | that wouldn't be hard to do, but I think inmy version the pages were public |
| 05:38:00 | bbeattie | how are security with slashcode/phpnuke? |
| 05:39:21 | LrnChndlr | probably the biggest security concern is how you secure the sql server |
| 05:39:35 | orbit | I heard it said once...all I learned about xss scripting vulnerabilities I learned from phpnuke posts on bugtraq... |
| 05:39:44 | LrnChndlr | hehe |
| 05:39:55 | LrnChndlr | which is why a lot of people like postnuke |
| 05:40:00 | orbit | right. |
| 05:40:14 | LrnChndlr | not as agressive on the features, but more stable and responsive on fixing bugs |
| 05:40:43 | bbeattie | both slashcode and phpnuke work off of a sql server? |
| 05:40:49 | orbit | YEs. |
| 05:41:05 | LrnChndlr | which sql servers can slashcode use? |
| 05:42:33 | orbit | I _think_ only MySQL |
| 05:43:05 | LrnChndlr | hmm |
| 05:43:38 | LrnChndlr | i'm checking on phpnuke, it used to be that way too, but I think you can use others now, at least postgres |
| 05:44:19 | orbit | Just searching on google. Looks like slashcode does work with PG. |
| 05:44:36 | orbit | Oh, maybe not. |
| 05:45:53 | LrnChndlr | what kindof system does freshmeat use? |
| 05:46:35 | orbit | I'd guess their own homebrewn stuff. |
| 05:46:43 | orbit | I've never heard of a code release for it. |
| 05:46:49 | LrnChndlr | oh, here's a nuke module i want: Random Verses from Quran |
| 05:46:55 | orbit | Nice. |
| 05:47:03 | bbeattie | so to get a version of slashcode going, it needs a sql server already configured, or just installed? |
| 05:47:36 | orbit | You probably just need to create a database in which slash can drop its stuff. |
| 05:48:00 | orbit | And give some conf file the host/db/user/pass tuple. |
| 05:49:14 | LrnChndlr | the new 6.0 version of nuke is supposedly going to create the database for you. You used to have to create the db and then load a .sql file into it to create the tables. |
| 05:52:38 | LrnChndlr | as of v5.3, phpnuke supports: MySQL, mSQL, PostgreSQL, PostgreSQL_local, ODBC, ODBC_Adabas, Sybase and Interbase servers |
| 05:53:26 | brailsmt | FOX is nice |
| 05:54:18 | brailsmt | *real* nice |
| 05:55:34 | LrnChndlr | i like programs with a database abstraction layer |
| 05:55:57 | LrnChndlr | i also like modular programs that build their default features as modules as well |
| 05:56:14 | bbeattie | well, I'll play with phpnuke or slashcode tomorrow.. |
| 05:56:17 | bbeattie | night guys |
| 05:56:23 | brailsmt | g'night |
| 05:56:25 | LrnChndlr | good night |
| 06:15:58 | orbit | night folks. |
| 12:48:43 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:28:06) |
| 15:31:55 | CosmicPenguin | is away: loooonnnngggg meeting |
| 15:34:37 | Jayce^ | aren't they all |
| 15:45:24 | Jayce^ | hrmm. who was it at plug who was asking about running different vhosts in apache under different uid's? |
| 15:56:00 | Bonez39 | greetings |
| 16:02:46 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 16:10:05 | Bonez39 | hi Jayce |
| 16:10:36 | Bonez39 | I can't get my system to shut down properly..... |
| 16:13:55 | Bonez39 | it gets to the point of issuing the Kill or shutdown command to all systems, but then just halts right there.. |
| 16:16:42 | Bonez39 | this is what baffles me....all the people whose nicks are always here..and yet, none respond..... |
| 16:16:58 | Bonez39 | what happened to using the /away flag, for when soemone is 'away'? |
| 16:17:43 | levi | Well, some of us are here but without anything useful to say. |
| 16:19:40 | orbit_ | Hi folks. |
| 16:19:53 | Bonez39 | I would disagree....I think everyone has SOMETHING useful to contribute... |
| 16:20:59 | Jayce^ | hey orbit_ |
| 16:21:29 | Jayce^ | doesn't normally use away.. I just get up and leave too often.. no real reason. |
| 16:22:10 | Jayce^ | or I'll just be on another virtual desktop actually working :D |
| 16:22:31 | Jayce^ | strange, I know.. but I do it from time to time.. |
| 16:23:47 | Bonez39 | so, levi, or orbit? do you have any ideas on my dilemma? I can't get linux to shut down and reboot |
| 16:23:56 | orbit_ | Anybody know a good book on SMTP? |
| 16:25:01 | orbit_ | It just sits there after you tell it to reboot? |
| 16:25:21 | Jayce^ | about the protocol itself.. hrmm.. |
| 16:25:34 | orbit_ | Yeah, I know I could just go read the RFC... |
| 16:25:43 | Jayce^ | those are always fun.. |
| 16:25:54 | levi | I'd start looking at the init scripts to see which one is hanging. |
| 16:25:56 | orbit_ | But I'd have to search for which ones are involved, and which ones supersede which ones, etc. |
| 16:26:30 | orbit_ | Bonez39: Do this: 'vmstat 1' And see what the number is in the 'b' column |
| 16:27:02 | orbit_ | If it's consistently over 1 you may have processes stuck in Uninterruptible IO wait |
| 16:27:19 | orbit_ | Usually related to NFS hangs. |
| 16:27:24 | Bradipo | orbit_: http://cr.yp.to/smtp.html |
| 16:27:34 | Bradipo | orbit_: That's a pretty good document about SMTP. |
| 16:32:01 | Jayce^ | orbit_: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progintemail/ |
| 16:32:14 | Jayce^ | never looked at it so I can't say how good it is. |
| 16:36:50 | Bonez39 | yes, after clicking on reboot...it says it's shutting down all the modules... |
| 16:37:43 | Bonez39 | then just ends at |
| 16:39:52 | Bonez39 | at that point.. |
| 16:40:33 | orbit_ | Can you get a shell on the machine at that point? |
| 16:40:58 | Bonez39 | no...just froze at that point |
| 16:41:35 | orbit_ | Is the machine locked? Does the num lock LED respond? |
| 16:41:54 | Jayce^ | when restarting, does it have to replay logs/do a fsck? |
| 16:42:37 | Bonez39 | no, at this point, I don't have to run fsck....yet, but after enough of that, just cold booting it from there, I think my file system will start to take the hit |
| 16:42:46 | Bonez39 | nothing responds at that point..... |
| 16:43:24 | Bonez39 | it just runs through the list, i.e., shutting down web server, shutting down, .... then at last, has issued the term command to all services, something to that effect. |
| 16:43:53 | Bonez39 | jayce, when i restart it....it sits at the 'checking file systems' command a while..yeah, checking all the logs.... |
| 16:44:54 | Jayce^ | yeah, checking if it had unmounted everything by the point it locks up.. |
| 16:45:56 | Bonez39 | I am pretty sure....that nothing was mounted at that point...before I issue the reboot command..should I run umount /dev/fd0 to make sure my floppy is not mounted? |
| 16:46:09 | Bonez39 | I don't think that's the problem, but will run that to test it |
| 16:47:00 | Jayce^ | should umount all then... |
| 16:47:08 | Jayce^ | maybe you got something locked in swap? |
| 16:48:23 | Bonez39 | how can I tell about what may be in swap? I close down all my apps before trying to reboot |
| 16:49:15 | Jayce^ | you running anything like SMB? NFS? those might have things still open if not killed.. |
| 16:49:32 | Bonez39 | samba is running, but I haven't even been into it yet..to configure things... |
| 16:49:41 | Bonez39 | no nfs on this system |
| 16:49:47 | Jayce^ | could be you have some daemon running, or app that isn't responding to the kill, and therefore keeping some file open.. that's a definate possibility.. |
| 16:50:09 | Bonez39 | ok....I'll look in those areas..thanks..I need to run now... |
| 16:51:54 | Bonez39 | back soon, thanks for the help, jayce.... |
| 17:30:34 | Jayce^ | anybody know how apache2 handles the User/Group directives? can't seem to find any documentation.. |
| 17:33:07 | Jayce^ | found it.. finally, was hidden.. not listed in server-wide config. |
| 18:28:06 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 02:56:11) |
| 18:57:54 | levi | Ugh, I'm remembering now why I never bothered to learn perl. It's... aesthetically unpleasant. |
| 19:22:12 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone else going to SLLUG tonight? |
| 19:22:17 | CosmicPenguin | levi: thats why I love it... :) |
| 19:26:20 | Jayce^ | levi: it's beautiful.. |
| 19:43:04 | levi | Jayce^: I beg to differ. |
| 19:45:15 | Mecworks | BZFlag: You going to the SLLUG meeting? |
| 19:47:16 | bbeattie | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 19:47:26 | bbeattie | Mecworks: are you an SQL buff? |
| 19:53:34 | Mecworks | I know a bit, what's your question? |
| 19:53:59 | Mecworks | CosmicPenguin: I'm going... |
| 19:55:29 | orbit_ | I might be able to help with an SQL question. |
| 19:56:26 | bbeattie | it's been a couple years since I did mysql, how does one create a user for a database? |
| 19:56:32 | CosmicPenguin | Sweet... |
| 19:57:19 | bbeattie | mysql -u eroot -pepass mysql isis returning ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'eroot@localhost' (Using password: Y |
| 19:58:39 | bbeattie | passwords I believe are off, by default (#password = my_password == taken from /etc/mysql/my.cnf) |
| 19:59:20 | Mecworks | hm |
| 20:00:47 | bbeattie | I've read that you can login to a database that doesn't yet exist via the mysql -u eroot -pepass mysql, then do a create databse ebill;, that's option 1, or option 2, is create the databse, then add a user/password, but neither of those have worked. |
| 20:01:26 | Mecworks | I have added users by commandlinebut I moslty use xmysqladmin. Just a sec... |
| 20:06:03 | Mecworks | bbeattie: Here's a link on adding users but it's interactive: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Adding_users.html |
| 20:06:55 | Mecworks | don't know if that's what you're looking for. |
| 20:07:11 | bbeattie | hmm, |
| 20:22:12 | BZFlag | Mecworks: yes. you? |
| 20:22:16 | BZFlag | car pool? |
| 20:23:01 | fozz | mutters derrogatory things about MySQL under his breath |
| 20:24:32 | bbeattie | Mecworks: for the *.* field, is the first * the database, and the second * the tables, ie doing sllug.* would give whichever user to modify only the sllug dabatase? |
| 20:25:36 | Jayce^ | slaps fozz |
| 20:37:35 | BZFlag | make: *** No rule to make target `print_depends'. Stop |
| 20:38:41 | BZFlag | eep, wrong window. |
| 20:39:42 | Mecworks | BZFlag: Yes, I'll be there. |
| 20:40:59 | BZFlag | Mecworks: carpool? |
| 20:41:16 | BZFlag | anyone else from the valley headed up? |
| 20:41:26 | BZFlag | I'll be leaving from my office (Lindon) |
| 20:42:45 | Mecworks | what time were you thinking? I'm not sure as I might have trustee meeting time there too. |
| 20:44:06 | Mecworks | bbeattie: I beleive that sounds correct. Seeing as sql tables are addressed that way. |
| 20:44:48 | Mecworks | bbeattie: you at home now? |
| 20:48:24 | BZFlag | Mecworks: 1/2 hour early? I could do that. |
| 20:49:29 | Jayce^ | I was thinking about it.. but probably won't.. |
| 20:53:57 | Mecworks | ARG! I just got a telemarketing call on my cell phone - that totaly pisses me off. I havn't given that number out to anyone except for friends. I wonder if it's now on a list.....suck! |
| 20:58:22 | BZFlag | bring that up in the meeting tonight. ;-) |
| 20:59:10 | Mecworks | yea, I'm looking on the internet right now. It seems that there are some states with laws against it. with penelties of $500.00 per incident... |
| 20:59:23 | Mecworks | I have the caller ID on my cell phone right now... |
| 20:59:34 | Bradipo | Hey Mecworks, how's it going? |
| 20:59:46 | BZFlag | hmm. not a big telemarketer shop if they don't block callerid |
| 21:00:57 | Jayce^ | that's nothing.. somehow my cell phone # has been published as a contact number for convergys... |
| 21:00:59 | Jayce^ | I keep getting calls for background check, and from people looking for jobs.. |
| 21:01:42 | Mecworks | BZFlag: yea, that 's what I thought too. |
| 21:01:57 | Mecworks | Bradipo: Pretty good - you? |
| 21:02:26 | Bradipo | Not bad. |
| 21:03:36 | bbeattie | Mecworks: yes |
| 21:05:19 | Mecworks | bbeattie: I assume you'll be there tonight. Think you'll have a few minutes to talk about our presentation? |
| 21:05:31 | Mecworks | (with me) |
| 21:06:17 | bbeattie | Mecworks: yes |
| 21:06:21 | Mecworks | cool |
| 21:07:41 | bbeattie | Mecworks: now I have to figure out a step left out in slashcode for setting up dbi. I'm suppost to start slash via a dbi virtual name that was setup, however, dbi never prompted me for/to create one when it was installed. ;) |
| 21:09:50 | Mecworks | weird. |
| 21:13:08 | CosmicPenguin | is away: off to fight with the storage unit idots |
| 21:19:43 | Jayce^ | DBIx is what creates those.. |
| 21:19:53 | Jayce^ | adding the Bundle::Slash will install it.. |
| 21:20:18 | Jayce^ | to edit by hand, just find the DBIx::Password module, it's a simple data structure in there.. |
| 21:26:48 | bbeattie | Jayce^: so there were 3 packages, slashcode, slash bundle, and one other, are all 3 needed for complete slashcode? |
| 21:30:17 | Jayce^ | well, slash bundle can be installed via cpan.. |
| 21:30:35 | Jayce^ | the slashcode then get's installed.. not sure on the other thing. |
| 21:30:51 | Jayce^ | can't remember what it is offhand.. but you shouldn't need anything.. |
| 21:31:34 | Jayce^ | the readme for slashcode mentions installing the bungle. |
| 21:31:41 | Jayce^ | bundle that is :> |
| 21:32:39 | fugalh | installing a bungle. that would be fun |
| 21:32:57 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 21:33:30 | Jayce^ | anybody here ever set up apache 2? most specifically then used mod_rewrite or proxy to pass certain things on to another system? |
| 21:34:00 | fugalh | no |
| 21:34:26 | Jayce^ | dangit.. I know I've seen how, but can't find the doc describing how in apache 2... apache 1 I can.. but I want 2 |
| 21:37:54 | levi | Hrm. If I stored references to perl subroutines in an array, how would I call them? |
| 21:38:08 | bbeattie | jayce6: what constitutes "adding the Budnle::Slash" ? I grabbed the 1k slashbundle from slashcode's sourceforge project, ran perl Makefile.Pl, then make, install, etc, nothing new happened. (I have no idea what slash bundle is/does) |
| 21:38:21 | fugalh | misspells bnudle just to fit in |
| 21:38:29 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:25:22) |
| 21:38:36 | Jayce^ | levi: so : $array[1] = \&mysub; |
| 21:39:12 | Jayce^ | bbeattie: perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::Slash' as root |
| 21:39:31 | levi | Jayce^: Yeah... does that work? |
| 21:39:40 | brailsmt | shrivels up and dies... |
| 21:39:48 | Jayce^ | yeah, that stores the ref to the sub.. just making sure you want that.. |
| 21:40:08 | Jayce^ | &{$array[0]}; |
| 21:40:21 | levi | OK, thanks. |
| 21:40:32 | fugalh | pokes brailsmt |
| 21:40:46 | levi | That makes sense, as much as perl ever does. ;) |
| 21:41:10 | Jayce^ | perldoc perlref or perlreftut should help out there levi.. |
| 21:41:38 | Jayce^ | hey, just think of it as casting the value (actually you are dereferencing as a sub the value stored in blah blah..) |
| 21:42:04 | levi | I was searching random perl tutorials found on the web, and didn't find it in any of those. |
| 21:42:25 | Jayce^ | www.perldoc.com <- is your friend.. |
| 21:42:33 | levi | Jayce^: It does make sense when explained. It just looks like line noise. |
| 21:42:39 | Jayce^ | you could also use eval... :D |
| 21:42:47 | Jayce^ | TMTOWTDI :) |
| 21:43:02 | Jayce^ | well, you can do it without the {} too, but it's there to help.. |
| 21:43:09 | Jayce^ | really.. it does help.. |
| 21:43:37 | brailsmt | is still dead an shriveled despite fugalh's best efforts at perforating him |
| 21:44:14 | fugalh | crushes some athelas |
| 21:44:26 | brailsmt | haha... |
| 21:45:16 | brailsmt | i was surprised the other day in 428 when the prof asked who used vim, about 3/4 of the class raised their hand... |
| 21:45:20 | Jayce^ | mmm.. kingsfoil.. but it's just a weed! |
| 21:46:18 | brailsmt | ok, i have a beef with lotr over that... |
| 21:46:46 | Jayce^ | oh |
| 21:46:50 | brailsmt | in fellowship strider says that frodo is beyond his healing power when he was attacked by the wraith |
| 21:47:03 | brailsmt | in return of the king he heals how many ppl of the same problem? |
| 21:47:30 | CosmicPenguin | brailsmt: it wasn't nessesary a wraith blade that smote the folks |
| 21:47:32 | fugalh | if you'll recall he asks for kingsfoil the first time too |
| 21:47:32 | brailsmt | does anyone else find that incongruent? |
| 21:47:38 | Jayce^ | a) frodo had the ring, b) he had it longer.. |
| 21:47:49 | brailsmt | fugalh: he got the kingsfoil the first time |
| 21:47:59 | Jayce^ | the kingsfoil *helps* but it's the magic that does the main healing.. |
| 21:48:04 | fugalh | indeed - so there was something different in frodo's condition as Jayce^ points out |
| 21:48:18 | brailsmt | excuses... |
| 21:48:19 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:48:39 | brailsmt | although CosmicPenguin does have a good point... |
| 21:48:49 | brailsmt | probably the best answer, in my opinion |
| 21:49:27 | Jayce^ | no, you're right.. you've just found a hole in my favorite book, and I can no longer read that, knowing it's imperfections... |
| 21:49:28 | brailsmt | frodo was stabbed by the blade, the others did the stabbing of the wraith... |
| 21:49:29 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:49:48 | brailsmt | ok, its reconciled in my mind... |
| 21:49:51 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:50:01 | brailsmt | Jayce^: sorry to shake your faith man... |
| 21:50:04 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:50:08 | Jayce^ | hehe... |
| 21:50:20 | brailsmt | you want me to point out some Star Wars inconsistencies? |
| 21:50:27 | CosmicPenguin | I |
| 21:50:35 | CosmicPenguin | I've got simpsons inconsistencies if you want them |
| 21:50:49 | Jayce^ | smacks brailsmt for further heresy :D |
| 21:51:06 | Jayce^ | now if it were star trek problems.. that's ok ... but not star wars.. |
| 21:51:36 | brailsmt | like in a new hope obi wan says he trained lukes father despite what yoda said, then in episode 1, yoda tells obi wan to train anikan... |
| 21:52:08 | Jayce^ | but remember, they didn't want that to happen.. yoda did say it was against his will.. |
| 21:52:25 | brailsmt | hrmm... |
| 21:52:39 | brailsmt | i think i need to see them again to confirm... :) |
| 21:52:59 | brailsmt | jar jar |
| 21:53:09 | brailsmt | ^-- one *big* inconsistency |
| 21:53:12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:53:27 | Jayce^ | people felt the same about the ewoks, and C3-PO |
| 21:53:51 | brailsmt | jar jar == <expletive> stain on star wars soul |
| 21:53:54 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:54:06 | brailsmt | hrmm... not really an expletive... *sigh* |
| 21:54:23 | brailsmt | though, i guess my kids like him... |
| 21:54:35 | brailsmt | mesa hates him |
| 21:56:30 | brailsmt | wow, i hate 5 mutts open... |
| 21:56:34 | brailsmt | overkill... |
| 21:56:43 | brailsmt | s/hate/have |
| 21:56:44 | fugalh | jayce^: true, but ewoks and c3-po were nothing compared to jar-jar in annoying |
| 21:56:54 | levi | brailsmt: Who let the dogs out? ;) |
| 21:57:03 | brailsmt | who? who? who? who? |
| 21:57:36 | brailsmt | what would star wars be without c3po? |
| 21:57:51 | brailsmt | it'd be *a lot* less humorous |
| 21:58:10 | brailsmt | "This is a drag" -c3po in Attack of the Clones |
| 21:59:10 | fugalh | i loved the puns in sw2 |
| 21:59:10 | brailsmt | jar jar was a failed attempt at making another c3po type character |
| 21:59:41 | brailsmt | there was a string of them right before the big battle in the arena |
| 21:59:53 | brailsmt | i was rolling on the floor |
| 22:00:23 | brailsmt | figuratively speaking... the floor was sticky mess with popcorn and candy and spilled sodas... |
| 22:00:26 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:00:46 | brailsmt | are the original 3 episodes on dvd? |
| 22:01:06 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 22:01:18 | brailsmt | man... i wonder when they will do that... |
| 22:01:28 | brailsmt | probably in order with the other ones... |
| 22:01:43 | brailsmt | there is no point buying vhs anymore... |
| 22:01:49 | brailsmt | in my opinion |
| 22:02:02 | fugalh | except blank ones. :) |
| 22:02:04 | brailsmt | once you have tasted dvd's, there is no going back... :) |
| 22:03:45 | fugalh | leaves without anyone noticing |
| 22:03:48 | brailsmt | of course they are a little tough to chew... |
| 22:10:53 | Mecworks | BZFlag: I think I'll be driving up alone as I don't know what my time commitments are with talking to the other trustee members and with bbeattie |
| 22:12:20 | BZFlag | k |
| 22:14:14 | bbeattie | Mecworks: we'll keep you late, we've got a lot of slave labor we need for oganizing stuff for cts :) |
| 22:15:05 | CosmicPenguin | see anyone who's gonna be there at 7:10 |
| 22:15:09 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Off to home |
| 22:15:42 | bbeattie | Jayce^: how do you configure DBIx? I still can't locate that. |
| 22:18:57 | Jayce^ | DBIx::Password is the actual module.. |
| 22:19:06 | bbeattie | right, |
| 22:19:10 | Jayce^ | locate Password.pm |
| 22:19:21 | bbeattie | for slashcode, it's requesting the VIRTUAL_USER given in DBIx |
| 22:19:59 | Jayce^ | if you find a DBIx/Password.pm that's it.. if it's not found, well it didn't get installed (it's a part of Bundle::Slash make sure you've done an updatedb since the installation) |
| 22:20:43 | bbeattie | according to that Password.pm, there is only an entry for a "root" is it correct/wise to have DBIx user root for slashcode? |
| 22:21:32 | Jayce^ | no... you should create a user for your installation.. |
| 22:22:43 | bbeattie | for the "installation" is that the DBI installation, or slashcode, or mysql, and if it's slashcode or DBI, how is the user created? (Sorry, the howto for installing slashcode has managed to leave these areas out) |
| 22:24:05 | Jayce^ | slashcode, and an individual instance of slash (since you can run multiple sites) |
| 22:24:45 | Jayce^ | in the docs, it metions just create the user in the database first... then under DBIx... once slash is installed you will create a site instance.. |
| 22:28:15 | bbeattie | do you remember how you created the user for DBIx though? that's where I'm stuck, I can't find any dbi??? utilities, to add the user with/in |
| 22:29:05 | Jayce^ | it's done during installation, you can either reinstall, or else edit the source.. editing is easy if you know perl.. it's a simple data structure.. |
| 22:29:13 | Jayce^ | just edit the .pm it's right in there.. |
| 22:29:29 | Jayce^ | you can add new ones, make changes.. whatever.. |
| 23:02:25 | BZFlag | anyone heading up? I'm about to head out from lindon. |
| 23:05:46 | BZFlag | which i-15 exit is the library again? |
| 23:10:51 | BZFlag | ah looks like 90th. cya |
| 23:20:15 | CosmicPenguin | is away: off to sllug |
