| 00:17:29 | han_solo | brailsmt: sorry, I had to go eat dinner |
| 00:17:38 | brailsmt | no problem |
| 00:17:48 | han_solo | what problem are you working on? we have the simulator |
| 00:17:56 | han_solo | there's some pretty obvious bugs in it too |
| 00:17:57 | brailsmt | i am still trying to get this retarded nic to work right... |
| 00:18:03 | han_solo | what's the symptoms? |
| 00:18:20 | brailsmt | setNextToHighestBit() -- sets the highest order bit |
| 00:19:10 | brailsmt | not sure if it is a bug, or just to *teach* not to rely on the name of methods... |
| 00:21:52 | han_solo | heh, one of ours is hasAnyNeighbors() which returns false, while numberOfNeighbors returns something > 0 |
| 01:17:19 | scottj | hey hans |
| 01:17:26 | fugalh | hiya scott |
| 01:17:35 | scottj | were you interested in working on that dear elder thing? |
| 01:17:59 | scottj | I can check if your brothers missions are free ones |
| 01:18:17 | fugalh | possibly, I looked at the site and my brother out now isn't free (not pouch) but where my other brother is going will be |
| 01:18:29 | fugalh | and I have a cousin in a pouch mission right now |
| 01:18:42 | fugalh | i didn't see an easy way to automate though... but I didn't register |
| 01:19:04 | scottj | I have it loggin in already |
| 01:19:18 | scottj | was going to write the script in ruby, need someone to write a little parsing bit :) |
| 01:19:21 | scottj | should be simple stuff |
| 01:19:26 | fugalh | :) |
| 01:19:51 | scottj | interested? |
| 01:20:00 | fugalh | possibly. what needs to be done? |
| 01:21:17 | scottj | can I get your email? |
| 01:21:26 | scottj | I'll write a bit of pseudo code and send it over |
| 01:21:49 | scottj | k, gonna watch a seinfeld first, should be ready to email it in about 40 minutes |
| 01:22:02 | fugalh | :) |
| 01:22:27 | brailsmt | scottj: cc on it |
| 01:22:32 | brailsmt | err... |
| 01:22:34 | brailsmt | cc me on it too |
| 01:22:37 | scottj | brailsmt, email? |
| 01:22:54 | brailsmt | @yahoo.com |
| 01:22:57 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:23:07 | brailsmt | minus the space of course |
| 01:23:35 | brailsmt | any ppl interested in whooping up on guy that used to be good at starcraft? |
| 01:23:53 | fugalh | I'm at school or I might |
| 01:24:23 | fugalh | fwiw I just got ruby installed and working on my samba drive in the windows labs at school |
| 01:24:23 | brailsmt | well, i'll be here all night, or most of it... :) |
| 01:24:49 | brailsmt | i was the one that asked for ruby in the labs at school :) |
| 01:24:58 | brailsmt | and eruby too |
| 01:25:12 | fugalh | well, they didn't put it on... but I installed it anyway :) |
| 01:25:22 | brailsmt | doesn't hurt to know one of the sysadmins :) |
| 01:25:31 | fugalh | who do you know? |
| 01:25:36 | brailsmt | no, it is on the linux machines |
| 01:25:43 | brailsmt | evan mcnabb |
| 01:25:44 | fugalh | oic. naturally :) |
| 01:25:56 | fugalh | good for you |
| 01:26:02 | fugalh | bec. I'm using it for 470 :) |
| 01:26:10 | brailsmt | they cannot install anything on the windows machines unless the profs in the dept approve it |
| 01:26:30 | fugalh | yeah, I've talked to them about it (cygwin - which is actually installed just not very visible) |
| 01:26:51 | brailsmt | i asked them to install visvim on the windows machines and evan said they even reimage the windows machine after each semester/school year |
| 01:26:55 | fugalh | i usually push quota with everything I install in user space. :) |
| 01:27:05 | fugalh | ah yes, that's what it was, not cygwin - visvim |
| 01:27:15 | brailsmt | visvim is installed? |
| 01:27:20 | fugalh | no, same excuse |
| 01:27:23 | brailsmt | ahh |
| 01:27:34 | brailsmt | i have cygwin on my windows machine... |
| 01:27:36 | fugalh | I talked to torriem |
| 01:27:43 | brailsmt | or else i would go nuts |
| 01:27:45 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:28:05 | brailsmt | my most used application in windows in cmd.exe :) |
| 01:28:14 | brailsmt | very atypical of windows users |
| 01:28:23 | fugalh | mine is probably putty |
| 01:28:26 | fugalh | or vim :) |
| 01:28:44 | brailsmt | i can't find how to edit file associations in win xp |
| 01:28:51 | brailsmt | except one by one... |
| 01:30:32 | brailsmt | i just finished a game of sc (against the cpu... :( ) where i built a cannon nest on the cliff above the resource line of my opponent, psi stormed from the cliff above another resource line... it was just too easy... |
| 01:38:54 | fugalh | brailsmt: I have an idea - you can write a better AI for freecraft |
| 02:21:57 | scottj | fugalh, sent |
| 02:34:13 | fugalh | k. cya |
| 06:04:37 | brailsmt | scottj: you around? |
| 06:04:39 | brailsmt | you forgot to attach the file... |
| 07:04:19 | scottj | brailsmt, lol |
| 07:22:15 | brailsmt | scottj: you want me to send you back the whole thing or a patch? |
| 07:47:49 | scottj | whole thing |
| 07:50:40 | brailsmt | scott you still there? |
| 07:50:55 | brailsmt | i have some questions |
| 07:51:50 | brailsmt | goes to get some hacking juice... |
| 07:53:02 | scottj | yeah |
| 07:53:13 | scottj | I discovered that gender actually means Elder or Sister |
| 07:53:42 | brailsmt | what is this supposed to do? |
| 07:54:00 | brailsmt | you mention parsing an html file for a phpsession is... |
| 07:54:17 | scottj | ok, ou're familiar with dearelder.com right? |
| 07:54:22 | brailsmt | ruby scripts can be called as cgi |
| 07:54:27 | brailsmt | no |
| 07:54:37 | scottj | oh, are you LDS? |
| 07:54:40 | brailsmt | yes |
| 07:54:48 | scottj | ok, dearelder.com is a website for writing missionaries |
| 07:54:58 | scottj | you write it on their little form and they print it and mail it |
| 07:54:59 | brailsmt | served his mission from 94-96... *before* the internet hit it big |
| 07:55:12 | scottj | well what dearscott.rb does is check an email account |
| 07:55:20 | scottj | and if that email account has messages, it posts them to dearelder.com |
| 07:55:27 | brailsmt | so it will be grabbing pages from the http site? |
| 07:55:30 | scottj | so basically someone can write an email to me and have it get printed and mailed to me |
| 07:55:42 | scottj | exactly, and submiting stuff to forms |
| 07:55:50 | scottj | that's what all the curl stuff is |
| 07:56:03 | brailsmt | i don't know curl or wget, i don't use either one... |
| 07:56:20 | scottj | basically curl is sending those values back to the form, and saving the page it gets back in $tempfile |
| 07:56:22 | brailsmt | so are you back from the mission, or just getting ready to leave? |
| 07:56:38 | scottj | I leave in 10 days, Mexico City East :) |
| 07:56:43 | brailsmt | congrats |
| 07:56:46 | scottj | thanks |
| 07:57:34 | brailsmt | btw, the stuff you know now about computers will be taught to kindergartners when you get back... :) |
| 07:58:02 | scottj | heh, I doubt it :) |
| 07:58:14 | scottj | but that would be pretty cool |
| 08:00:31 | brailsmt | ok, first off, webdev is not my strong point, so i won't be much help with that part, but parsing the stuff should be no prob... |
| 08:01:00 | brailsmt | so you are going to be reading email from your /var/spool/mail spool file and then send it to dearelder.com? |
| 08:01:14 | scottj | basically |
| 08:01:24 | scottj | two differences though |
| 08:01:27 | brailsmt | ok... |
| 08:01:37 | scottj | 1) not spool file, I'll be procmail filtering it, but yeah |
| 08:01:49 | scottj | 2) I will cut out the headers of the email and only send the body of the message |
| 08:02:17 | scottj | which the foreach code at the very bottom is intended to show one way headers could be cut out |
| 08:02:19 | brailsmt | mail parsing is already done for ruby :) (i think) |
| 08:02:23 | scottj | I'm sure there must be a better way though |
| 08:02:44 | brailsmt | what mail format? |
| 08:02:53 | scottj | mbox I think? |
| 08:05:22 | scottj | yeah mbox |
| 08:05:35 | scottj | man, I did everything except push the start button on the laundry machine :( |
| 08:05:44 | scottj | and my bedding is in there so I have to wait till it's odne.. |
| 08:06:11 | brailsmt | so you will always be the recipient of this mail? |
| 08:06:25 | scottj | how do you mean? |
| 08:06:30 | scottj | oh, as in who it's addressed to? |
| 08:06:40 | scottj | yeah, it won't be from any mailing lists etc |
| 08:06:45 | brailsmt | do you want this to be generalized for other ppl, or just for you |
| 08:07:01 | scottj | oh, yeah it's going to be generalized |
| 08:07:10 | scottj | so stick $emailaddress and whatever else you need in there |
| 08:07:18 | scottj | I just filled in some example content |
| 08:07:38 | brailsmt | just wanting to know what kind of fields i need in the Sender Struct :) |
| 08:07:57 | brailsmt | do you care about email address of the sender? |
| 08:08:02 | scottj | nope |
| 08:08:15 | scottj | all I want is the body of the message |
| 08:08:18 | scottj | not even subject line |
| 08:08:20 | brailsmt | or gender? it should be obvious from the letter... |
| 08:08:37 | scottj | gender, what do you mean? |
| 08:08:41 | brailsmt | what about return address? |
| 08:08:53 | brailsmt | scottj: nothing... |
| 08:08:55 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:09:05 | scottj | nope none of that |
| 08:09:58 | scottj | the $gender is in there because dearelder.com requires it for their form |
| 08:10:03 | scottj | if that's what you meant |
| 08:10:36 | scottj | it would be pretty cool to have a editor window we could all see and be editing it in there together :) |
| 08:10:52 | scottj | might get messy, but would be fun |
| 08:11:14 | scottj | better get your changes sent out before hans wakes up in the morning and repeats all your work :) |
| 08:12:18 | brailsmt | hang on a sec... |
| 08:13:49 | brailsmt | 12.254.137.186/dearscott.rb |
| 08:14:00 | brailsmt | ^-- synlink to actual file i am editing |
| 08:14:19 | scottj | mmm, forbidden |
| 08:14:46 | brailsmt | really? |
| 08:15:18 | scottj | yep |
| 08:15:27 | brailsmt | crazy... |
| 08:18:42 | brailsmt | why is it doing that... |
| 08:19:08 | scottj | wrong permissions? |
| 08:19:58 | brailsmt | 12.254.137.186/vim |
| 08:20:01 | brailsmt | err... |
| 08:20:03 | brailsmt | 12.254.137.186/vimrc |
| 08:20:13 | brailsmt | same permissions as the other one |
| 08:20:31 | scottj | that works |
| 08:20:45 | scottj | are you editing one? is one a sym link and the other a file? |
| 08:22:49 | scottj | going to watch a movie, I'll try to check back periodically |
| 08:22:49 | brailsmt | i am editing the file, and the symlink is in htdocs |
| 08:23:00 | brailsmt | hangon... |
| 08:23:06 | brailsmt | 12.254.137.186 |
| 08:23:13 | brailsmt | there is a link at the bottom to it... |
| 08:23:21 | brailsmt | see if you can get to it that way... |
| 08:23:48 | scottj | no link, just the text |
| 08:23:53 | brailsmt | grr... |
| 08:24:07 | brailsmt | enjoy the movie |
| 08:24:35 | scottj | thanks, btw, you're a new one to linux :) |
| 08:24:38 | scottj | are you halcrow? |
| 08:24:57 | brailsmt | nope... |
| 08:25:34 | scottj | tomato soup is interesting :) |
| 08:25:34 | brailsmt | i;ve been using linux for about 2 years |
| 08:25:37 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:48:18 | brailsmt | scottj: what was the regex for the headers in the foreach loop? |
| 08:49:34 | brailsmt | nevermind |
| 09:49:08 | brailsmt | scottj: what is the name of the field for the body of the msg? |
| 09:51:28 | brailsmt | scottj: i sent you a copy of what I did tonight via email... I *love* ruby... :) |
| 16:22:47 | scottj | brail, I bounced your email to hans |
| 16:30:26 | scottj | hey hans |
| 16:30:43 | han_solo | hiya scott. haven't looked at it yet, but I see 4 messages in my inbox :) |
| 16:30:56 | han_solo | anyone close to wyview wanna help with a piano? |
| 16:31:36 | scottj | sorry, a bit far for me :) |
| 16:32:12 | han_solo | oh well. I'm sure we can drum up enough from the ward... there'll be some modest edible rewards though |
| 16:42:28 | brailsmt | han_solo: I would, but I have a bday party on payson for my neice in two hours... and i still don't have the present, and I have to wash some clothes for my girls to wear... |
| 16:43:40 | han_solo | brailsmt: you have your work cut out for you. :) did you still wanna borrow that hub? |
| 16:43:47 | brailsmt | i can help at around 5:00 PM... |
| 16:43:52 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:44:09 | han_solo | won't be much to do then, unless you know how to tune pianos. :) |
| 16:44:10 | brailsmt | yeah, I was gonna ask if i could swing by later today |
| 16:44:16 | brailsmt | got me there |
| 16:44:20 | han_solo | we should be around until 7 |
| 16:44:28 | brailsmt | our piano is really out of tune |
| 16:44:39 | han_solo | is there a pi constant in ruby? PI? |
| 16:44:42 | brailsmt | where are you getting the piano? |
| 16:44:49 | brailsmt | han_solo: i bet there is... |
| 16:45:02 | han_solo | parents-in-law's old piano |
| 16:45:21 | brailsmt | Math.PI |
| 16:45:26 | brailsmt | ah... |
| 16:45:44 | brailsmt | i am not sure if you need the Math there... |
| 16:46:56 | brailsmt | Math::PI |
| 16:47:06 | brailsmt | that is interesting... |
| 16:47:25 | brailsmt | irb(main):004:0> p Math::PI |
| 16:47:26 | brailsmt | 3.141592654 |
| 16:47:26 | brailsmt | nil |
| 16:47:26 | brailsmt | irb(main):005:0> p Math#PI |
| 16:47:26 | brailsmt | Math |
| 16:47:26 | brailsmt | nil |
| 16:47:32 | brailsmt | irb(main):006:0> p Math.PI |
| 16:47:34 | brailsmt | NameError: undefined method `PI' for Math:Module |
| 16:47:36 | brailsmt | from (irb):6 |
| 16:47:42 | brailsmt | i thought that ::, #, and . where equivalent |
| 16:49:27 | han_solo | me too |
| 16:49:32 | han_solo | maybe only for methods |
| 17:13:08 | scottj | are #}}} part of the language or are they for some folding mode? |
| 17:13:11 | scottj | of your editor.. |
| 17:21:37 | brailsmt | folding |
| 17:21:48 | brailsmt | #{{{ -- begins the fold |
| 17:21:54 | brailsmt | #}}} -- ends it |
| 17:23:07 | brailsmt | <matju> brailsmt: '#' means instance method, not in ruby syntax, but in ruby documentation |
| 17:23:07 | brailsmt | <stillflame> '.' is a call to #send, '::' is an access of a module's constants/class methods |
| 17:24:25 | scottj | well I'm cutting out all the work you did :) |
| 17:25:46 | scottj | basically I think the structs and such are overkill, and I guess I was a bit confusing when I said generalize it |
| 17:26:03 | brailsmt | WHAT!!! |
| 17:26:03 | scottj | I meant people will be able to edit the script and set their own settings, afa generializing |
| 17:26:11 | brailsmt | structs are not overkill |
| 17:26:24 | brailsmt | they are meant for things like that |
| 17:26:26 | scottj | how are the structs useful? |
| 17:27:05 | brailsmt | uhmm, good programming practice, keep related items together |
| 17:27:16 | brailsmt | ie, address info, missionary info |
| 17:27:17 | scottj | yeah, I don't have good programming practice :) |
| 17:27:18 | brailsmt | etcc |
| 17:27:36 | scottj | I'm fine if ruby had some short hand, like blocks in rebol |
| 17:27:37 | brailsmt | it is a lot easier to maintain code that is like that... |
| 17:27:54 | brailsmt | a Struct *is* shorthand |
| 17:28:40 | brailsmt | oh, well, i guess you can do whatever, but it would be smart to encapsulate all the info about a thing into a class or a struct |
| 17:29:23 | brailsmt | or a hash even |
| 17:29:26 | scottj | I just think it's overkill, this script is so short and many of these variables are used once |
| 17:30:12 | scottj | not overkill as in hurting speed, but more of a pain than adds value |
| 17:30:34 | scottj | basically I have bad programming practice and like it that way :) |
| 17:30:36 | brailsmt | i disagree, but it is gonna be used by you... |
| 17:30:53 | scottj | btw, I do appreciate your work |
| 17:30:53 | brailsmt | you can deal with the headaches when you want to tweak something later... |
| 17:33:02 | brailsmt | this thing could be useful for others, and so i thought i would make it so you could use it more robustly... |
| 17:33:48 | brailsmt | ie, pass in a missionary struct to send msgs to another missionary, a different Sender struct for different senders, etc... |
| 17:39:08 | scottj | yeah, I definitely agree your structs would be useful if you were using multiple missionaries |
| 17:40:51 | scottj | ahh, the joys of crappy debugging. I've been spoiled for too long with smalltalk |
| 17:52:31 | han_solo | you have bad programming practice and yet you use smalltalk... |
| 17:52:34 | han_solo | is confused |
| 17:52:46 | han_solo | You think you only use the variables once now... |
| 17:53:06 | han_solo | software ALWAYS outlives its intended lifespan if it's even slightly useful |
| 17:53:12 | han_solo | and it grows, and changes |
| 17:55:29 | scottj | if someone needs that they can always make em structs easily |
| 17:55:47 | scottj | besides, this isn't some app that's getting new features and expanding, it's a script to checka file and post it to the web |
| 18:04:36 | brailsmt | that's fine, it just never hurts to add robustness to everything... |
| 18:04:45 | brailsmt | even if it is overkill |
| 18:26:21 | han_solo | which it rarely is in hindsight |
| 18:26:26 | han_solo | throws a tortilla at brailsmt |
| 18:26:57 | han_solo | just read an article in the daily unifarse about those tortillas |
| 18:28:35 | han_solo | made me laugh - everyone's so serious about them. People are either "Yeah! Tortillas! Yeah!" or "This is a bad image for BYU. We shouldn't throw tortillas. How immature." Meanwhile all these people are going to a game to watch people run full speed into other people, throw pigskins around, and basically do everything they can to hurt one another. :) If a football spectator can't handle a tortilla in the back of the head, maybe they should consider |
| 18:28:35 | han_solo | spectating a different sport. |
| 18:33:48 | brailsmt | haha... |
| 18:34:15 | brailsmt | pretty soon you won't be able to bring strollers, umbrellas, and tortillas into the stadium... |
| 18:34:25 | brailsmt | i think the tortillas are funny |
| 18:34:35 | brailsmt | pretty unique too |
| 18:34:52 | brailsmt | anyway, off to the b day party |
| 23:06:27 | brailsmt | han_solo: can you get to the 428 website? |
| 23:09:36 | han_solo | i couldn't yesterday |
| 23:09:47 | han_solo | but they know about it - 'see blackboard' |
| 23:09:48 | han_solo | bleh |
| 23:11:13 | brailsmt | oh yeah, blackboard... |
| 23:24:05 | han_solo | is not overly impressed with blackboard |
| 23:24:09 | han_solo | but it's not so bad either |