| 00:18:56 | Kryptik | Anyone here idling? |
| 00:19:29 | Kryptik | Heh, I guess so... |
| 00:19:53 | Kryptik | Everytime I come here you guys are practicing your idle. |
| 00:20:03 | Kryptik | I suck at it, if you couldn't tell... |
| 00:20:25 | Kryptik | IRC was made to chat, and no one ever does. It bothers me. |
| 00:26:31 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:26:47 | levi | I'm not idling, I'm coding. Or debugging, rather. |
| 00:27:13 | levi | netkit-telnet-0.17 sucks |
| 00:27:58 | Kryptik | Yes, well. Life isn't peachy is it. |
| 00:29:46 | Kryptik | Hey, he's here. |
| 00:29:51 | Jayce^ | dangit |
| 00:30:07 | brailsmt | me? |
| 00:30:12 | Kryptik | Yep |
| 00:30:22 | Kryptik | Man, where have you been. |
| 00:30:24 | Kryptik | ? |
| 00:30:46 | Kryptik | I have been waiting for like two hours. |
| 00:30:54 | Kryptik | Oh, I bet your mom was pissed. |
| 00:31:16 | brailsmt | uhmm... |
| 00:31:22 | Kryptik | Was she? |
| 00:31:30 | brailsmt | hasn't lived with his mom for 10 years... |
| 00:31:55 | Kryptik | wished that brailsmt would quit playing around and answer him. |
| 00:32:21 | Kryptik | Dude, you getting on EQ tonight? |
| 00:32:30 | brailsmt | eq? |
| 00:32:37 | Kryptik | Yea. |
| 00:33:02 | brailsmt | waiting two hours for what? |
| 00:33:03 | Kryptik | ? |
| 00:33:10 | Kryptik | You to join. |
| 00:33:19 | Kryptik | Duh. |
| 00:33:27 | Jayce^ | thinks Kryptik must have brailsmt confused with somebody else.. |
| 00:33:42 | brailsmt | ok, well... when you want to be serious let me know... |
| 00:34:11 | Kryptik | Ok, sorry for bugging you. Just want to liven it up a bit, there is to much idling going on in here. |
| 00:34:19 | brailsmt | 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.24 |
| 00:34:19 | brailsmt | PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0c.0 |
| 00:34:19 | brailsmt | 8139too: 00:0c.0: Chip not responding, ignoring board |
| 00:34:28 | brailsmt | anyone have any idea what that is all about and how to fix it? |
| 00:35:07 | Kryptik | Malfunctioning Pins, I think. |
| 00:35:33 | brailsmt | i wonder if compuse will take it back... |
| 00:35:42 | Kryptik | So, anyone go to the PLUG meetings. |
| 00:35:49 | Kryptik | When did you buy it? |
| 00:36:08 | brailsmt | 2 days ago |
| 00:36:23 | Kryptik | Yep, I bet they will. |
| 00:36:26 | Kryptik | So, anyone go to the PLUG meetings. |
| 00:36:27 | Jayce^ | of course we go to Plug.. best Lug in town :D |
| 00:36:30 | Kryptik | ? |
| 00:36:35 | brailsmt | err... saturday, so three days ago |
| 00:36:47 | Kryptik | They still will... |
| 00:36:57 | brailsmt | rummages around looking for the receipt... |
| 00:36:59 | Kryptik | Ok, just wondering. I have never been. |
| 00:37:02 | Jayce^ | brailsmt: maybe, what card is that? intel? |
| 00:37:12 | Kryptik | netgear |
| 00:37:15 | Jayce^ | hey, tommorrow will be fun.. mta wars.. |
| 00:37:24 | brailsmt | realtek 8139 |
| 00:37:24 | Jayce^ | what driver is it trying to use there? |
| 00:37:25 | Kryptik | What is that? |
| 00:37:34 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. I have a netgear in this box.. |
| 00:37:37 | brailsmt | but pkg'd as compusa special |
| 00:37:38 | Kryptik | MTA wars |
| 00:38:20 | Kryptik | How old are the majority who show, and how many. |
| 00:38:34 | Jayce^ | varies greatly depending on the topic Kryptik.. |
| 00:38:48 | brailsmt | my guess is that median age would be early to mid 20's |
| 00:38:55 | Kryptik | Really. What is the scale? |
| 00:39:31 | brailsmt | not that i have ever been, but that would be in line with the linux user base |
| 00:39:50 | Kryptik | How many usually show up. |
| 00:39:51 | Kryptik | ? |
| 00:39:56 | Jayce^ | yeah, the larger part would fit in there, although the last couple times we had some older guys.. |
| 00:40:03 | Jayce^ | usually have around 15 |
| 00:40:15 | Kryptik | What about younger... |
| 00:40:17 | brailsmt | i wonder if removing hardware with the machine on will cause a kernel panic... |
| 00:40:22 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:40:40 | Kryptik | No, it shouldn't but you will get a nice shocking supprise. |
| 00:40:50 | brailsmt | well... |
| 00:40:53 | brailsmt | shuts down |
| 00:41:07 | Jayce^ | depends on your board too :/ probably doesn't support hot-swap pci |
| 00:41:21 | Jayce^ | What about younger? |
| 00:41:42 | Kryptik | Do many younger people show up? |
| 00:42:37 | Kryptik | Ok, I will quit talking... |
| 00:42:44 | Kryptik | Begins to idle. |
| 00:42:53 | Kryptik | POWER IDLE |
| 00:43:10 | Jayce^ | depends on how young you mean? most now are post-mission though.. |
| 00:43:18 | Jayce^ | since our younger guys left.. |
| 00:43:37 | Kryptik | Really? Is there a lot of LDS people there. |
| 00:43:39 | Kryptik | ? |
| 00:43:43 | Jayce^ | well, yeah.. |
| 00:43:48 | Jayce^ | we are in Utah after all |
| 00:44:22 | Kryptik | What do you mean yea, I have been to several different meetings, and the majority is not MORMON... |
| 00:44:34 | Kryptik | Not PLUG meetings however... |
| 00:44:56 | Kryptik | Are there any 16 year olds there? |
| 00:45:04 | Jayce^ | well, it's normally not brought up, but it's pretty easy to tell that there is a large percentage of lds.. |
| 00:45:09 | Jayce^ | haven't had any in a bit.. |
| 00:45:15 | Kryptik | Ahh, I see. |
| 00:45:44 | Kryptik | Maybe, I should go then. Besides, you guys would blow me away... |
| 00:46:23 | Jayce^ | well, you're always welcome to come.. |
| 00:46:36 | Jayce^ | just dont' have any others your age lately.. |
| 00:46:38 | Kryptik | Do any of you guys know Brian Grayless? |
| 00:47:14 | Kryptik | Guess not. |
| 00:47:17 | Jayce^ | talked to him online a bit.. couldn't recognize his face.. |
| 00:47:57 | Kryptik | Ahh, that is my cousin's husband. I am rooming with them for a while, and he wants me to join you guys. |
| 00:48:24 | Jayce^ | well, he's smart :D |
| 00:48:32 | Kryptik | How do you know? |
| 00:48:44 | Jayce^ | bug him, I had asked him about giving me the original's or touching up a couple of Plug graphics.. |
| 00:48:50 | Jayce^ | ask him if he's done it :D |
| 00:48:56 | Kryptik | Yea, he told me he did. |
| 00:49:31 | Kryptik | Infact I am in his office building right now, and could probably email it to you. His faveroite computer is about three feet away. |
| 00:49:38 | Jayce^ | tell him I never got the graphics .. if he'd care to pass them along.. |
| 00:49:57 | Kryptik | Are you the one who maintaines the site. |
| 00:49:59 | Kryptik | ? |
| 00:50:01 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 00:50:17 | Jayce^ | about to start a new design on it, and would like some graphics :D especially the logo |
| 00:50:26 | Kryptik | Ok, np. Just wanted to make sure. So you must be pretty smart yourself. |
| 00:50:49 | Jayce^ | nope.. that sure isn't necessary... :D |
| 00:50:50 | Kryptik | Ok, he is going to come back and get me in a bit, so I will let him know. |
| 00:51:12 | Jayce^ | cool, thanks.. |
| 00:51:23 | Kryptik | Do you want to talk to him if he shows up in the next few... |
| 00:51:53 | Jayce^ | if he has any questions.. |
| 00:52:26 | Kryptik | Hey, if I give you my email, Could you sign me up for the newsletter. I know your not supposed to do that normally, but I can' get into my account right now... |
| 00:52:34 | Kryptik | Ok. |
| 00:53:44 | Kryptik | I think I screwed up the mail server... |
| 00:54:02 | Jayce^ | not good.. sounds like you should be there tomorrow :D |
| 00:54:51 | Kryptik | Heh. I don't know. I have school and he has some clients comming over. Do you guys stay on IRC while the meeting is in? |
| 00:55:04 | Kryptik | session? |
| 00:55:17 | Jayce^ | sometimes.. |
| 00:55:28 | Jayce^ | I usually just leave this box logged in.. |
| 00:55:39 | Jayce^ | then sometimes log in w/ my laptop there, but not always. |
| 00:55:58 | Kryptik | Ok, well. I am not that familiar with the geek speek you guys and girls use, so I might get lost. |
| 00:56:23 | Jayce^ | that's why we have meetings.. for questions.. |
| 00:56:27 | Kryptik | just did a 180 degree topic change. |
| 00:56:34 | Kryptik | Ok. |
| 00:56:49 | Kryptik | I guess I'll try to come. If thats ok with everyone. |
| 00:57:15 | Kryptik | OBTW, are you a F/M? |
| 00:57:58 | Jayce^ | m |
| 00:58:22 | Kryptik | Are you still in High School by any chance? |
| 00:59:00 | Kryptik | I know this kid, who has his CNA and a+ certifications and he's in my class. |
| 00:59:11 | Jayce^ | no, been 8 years since I last did that.. |
| 00:59:26 | Kryptik | Did high school or your CNA? |
| 01:00:24 | Jayce^ | high school.. class of 94 |
| 01:00:38 | Kryptik | Ah, I see. |
| 01:00:45 | Kryptik | Well I still have this year and next. |
| 01:01:32 | Kryptik | Do you know the guys from 2600slc? |
| 01:02:22 | Jayce^ | no, just found out they hasd a chapter there the other day.. |
| 01:03:07 | Kryptik | Oh, in 2600? |
| 01:03:32 | Jayce^ | from a friend.. dont' get it myself.. |
| 01:03:57 | Kryptik | I recommend it. |
| 01:05:24 | Jayce^ | I've got too much to read as is right now.. |
| 01:06:01 | Kryptik | Huh, I didn't know that to much to read, could exist. I find time for it. |
| 01:07:12 | Jayce^ | wait till you have a full-time job, side items, and a family.. |
| 01:07:37 | Kryptik | Yea, I know. My life is care free. |
| 01:08:22 | Kryptik | I don't do anything but sleep, school, eat, pee, and program. It is heven. |
| 01:08:33 | Kryptik | Spelled that wrong. |
| 01:08:39 | Kryptik | Heaven. |
| 01:09:49 | Kryptik | Hmm. Eight fivteen, and he's still not here. |
| 01:10:17 | Kryptik | +e (My bad...) |
| 01:11:01 | Jayce^ | what languages |
| 01:11:45 | fozz | Jayce^: Hi. |
| 01:12:07 | Kryptik | Well when I started about a year ago, I ate HTML. Then I moved to non-web oriented languages, like (x)basic, and into c++. |
| 01:12:16 | Jayce^ | hey fozz |
| 01:12:21 | Kryptik | Now I just do PHP and JavaScript. It has become a passion. |
| 01:12:30 | Jayce^ | you connected from home normally? |
| 01:12:35 | fozz | feels sorry for Kryptik |
| 01:12:43 | Kryptik | Me? |
| 01:12:46 | fozz | Jayce^: I leave epic running on my server at home. |
| 01:12:47 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. well, C++ is cool. |
| 01:13:08 | Jayce^ | poor php-ite |
| 01:13:13 | fozz | :-) |
| 01:13:20 | Kryptik | Yes, I like it. I just don't have a firm grasp at all it can do... It is way more powerfull than I. |
| 01:13:21 | fozz | Jayce^: Then I just connect with screen from wherever I am. |
| 01:13:31 | fozz | I used to do stuff with PHP... |
| 01:13:33 | Kryptik | Why do you say that. I Love it. |
| 01:13:44 | fozz | like in 1996 |
| 01:13:54 | fozz | then I "saw the light" and went to Perl. I've never looked back. |
| 01:13:54 | Jayce^ | spiff fozz.. I usually just use another xchat when I go somewhere.. |
| 01:14:20 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. I know lotsa guys here love php.. but not me.. |
| 01:14:21 | Kryptik | I don't like perl. PHP is the best of perl. |
| 01:14:24 | fozz | Jayce^: I couldn't find any models or offices open. I guess I'll have to try to go out earlier or on a Saturday. |
| 01:14:26 | Jayce^ | hey HarleyPig, finally got online. |
| 01:14:32 | fozz | blows diet coke out his nose. |
| 01:14:39 | fozz | I can't read any more. |
| 01:14:42 | fozz | pliks |
| 01:14:51 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 01:14:52 | HarleyPig | Kryptik: You're a sick individual! |
| 01:14:59 | Kryptik | Why is that. |
| 01:15:02 | Jayce^ | php is the limited subset of Perl, only using a single asp-style templating engine, and restricting itself to a single ecosystem.. |
| 01:15:13 | Kryptik | Um ok. |
| 01:15:15 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: remember your restraining order.. Kryptik is only 16 |
| 01:15:17 | Jayce^ | :D |
| 01:15:23 | HarleyPig | Kryptik: cuz you don't like perl! |
| 01:15:31 | HarleyPig | But anyway. |
| 01:15:39 | HarleyPig | Can you answer a question for me about php? |
| 01:15:50 | Kryptik | Ok I lied. I do like it, but I like all programmin languages. I just would rather do PHP. |
| 01:15:55 | fozz | Ever tried to automatically send a manager a financial report via e-mail every morning at 6 a.m. with PHP? |
| 01:15:56 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 01:16:15 | fozz | I guess you could by setting up a cron job to hit a web page for you. heh heh. |
| 01:16:16 | HarleyPig | fozz: No, but I've seen scripts that'll do it. |
| 01:16:29 | Kryptik | My boss can do it. |
| 01:16:31 | HarleyPig | Uh, php has a cli. |
| 01:16:44 | HarleyPig | #!/usr/bin/php works |
| 01:16:51 | fozz | Oh really? |
| 01:17:01 | HarleyPig | yep |
| 01:17:01 | Kryptik | Yep. |
| 01:17:05 | fozz | Do you have to emulate a HTTP enviornmenbt inside? |
| 01:17:08 | HarleyPig | nope |
| 01:17:09 | fozz | :) |
| 01:17:16 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 01:17:21 | Kryptik | :} |
| 01:17:25 | fozz | Well this goes to show I haven't used PHP since `96 |
| 01:17:39 | HarleyPig | But it makes more sense for me to use perl at that level ... no matter how 'one off' the script is, it's gonna get more complicated. |
| 01:17:46 | HarleyPig | The same isn't always true of web pages. |
| 01:17:51 | Kryptik | It was pretty lame back then I hear... |
| 01:17:54 | fozz | I still say I can write the same applications as you in Perl w/ less than 50% the number of lines of code. :) |
| 01:18:10 | fozz | Esp. if the application deals with a database backend. |
| 01:18:15 | HarleyPig | Kryptik: Can you tell me how I might implement a 'memory' featuer in a function? |
| 01:18:33 | Jayce^ | memory? as in session? |
| 01:18:36 | HarleyPig | fozz: Depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 01:18:48 | Kryptik | Nope. |
| 01:18:57 | HarleyPig | No, as in I want to get some info from a db only once, but I want to call the function multiple times. |
| 01:19:12 | Jayce^ | so like perl's Memoize? |
| 01:19:17 | HarleyPig | fozz: In my experience a db interface is mainly sql statements. |
| 01:19:21 | Kryptik | Yes with arrays. |
| 01:19:26 | Jayce^ | or not evern that far? just caching? |
| 01:19:28 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: ummm ... maybe. |
| 01:19:33 | HarleyPig | Basically: |
| 01:19:51 | fozz | HarleyPig: Yeah- and PHP takes too many statements to set up, execute, and store results from SQL statements. |
| 01:19:52 | HarleyPig | get_info('value') ... the first time it queries the database, |
| 01:19:58 | Kryptik | Can't you use a loop then halt after your X amount of times. |
| 01:20:28 | HarleyPig | the second call get_info('other_value') would access a variable because the first call got that info as well. |
| 01:20:52 | fozz | Ahhh. But nothing like $t = $sth->fetchrow_hashref; heh heh. |
| 01:20:53 | HarleyPig | fozz: ? Takes the same number of lines. |
| 01:21:02 | HarleyPig | fozz: yeah, actually there is. |
| 01:21:20 | fozz | Mine fetches all fields (and column names) of a record in one line. :) |
| 01:21:23 | Kryptik | Hey my cousin is here do you want to talk to him. |
| 01:21:30 | HarleyPig | Sure. |
| 01:21:35 | Kryptik | Hey this is Brian. |
| 01:21:56 | HarleyPig | 'lo |
| 01:22:04 | Jayce^ | hey brian.. wazzup? |
| 01:22:24 | Jayce^ | do you really want to introduce this kid to the likes of us? |
| 01:22:29 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 01:22:32 | Kryptik | Nadda, I walked in on my cousin and recognized all these names on the screen. |
| 01:22:42 | Kryptik | Yeah, I suppose you guys can't be all that bad |
| 01:22:58 | Jayce^ | hehe... so anyways.. di you ever get a chance to to new versions of that plug logo? |
| 01:23:07 | HarleyPig | Nope. |
| 01:23:13 | HarleyPig | He was gone before you talked to me about it. |
| 01:23:21 | HarleyPig | Brian, did you catch my uestion? |
| 01:23:25 | Kryptik | You know what? I lost the original CDR file, so I'm recreating it. |
| 01:23:38 | Jayce^ | realizes brian has met HarleyPig if he thinks we're allright.. |
| 01:23:54 | HarleyPig | did you mean has *not*? :> |
| 01:23:54 | Jayce^ | ahh, cool.. I'm going to be doing some work on the plug site soon, and wanted to use it.. |
| 01:23:59 | Kryptik | hehe |
| 01:24:03 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: yeah.. |
| 01:24:11 | Kryptik | Sure, I'll have it redone soon. |
| 01:24:18 | fozz | Jayce^: Does Dan ever get on #Utah? |
| 01:24:18 | Kryptik | Do you want it in 3d too? |
| 01:24:32 | Jayce^ | yeah, at times.. |
| 01:24:39 | fozz | k. |
| 01:24:49 | HarleyPig | Is Kryptik still Brian? |
| 01:24:49 | Jayce^ | Kryptik/Brian: that'd be cool |
| 01:24:54 | Kryptik | Yep, still brian |
| 01:25:06 | HarleyPig | Did you catch my question about a php function? |
| 01:25:11 | Kryptik | who me? |
| 01:25:20 | HarleyPig | Yeah. |
| 01:25:27 | Kryptik | No, I didn't. |
| 01:25:33 | HarleyPig | Ah. |
| 01:25:37 | HarleyPig | Do you know php? |
| 01:25:38 | Kryptik | what was it? |
| 01:25:41 | Kryptik | Yes I do. |
| 01:26:11 | HarleyPig | I want to do something like function ( $id ) { if we haven't gone to the database do the query, otherwise return the requested info } |
| 01:26:17 | HarleyPig | does that make sense? |
| 01:27:01 | Kryptik | not sure. |
| 01:27:07 | HarleyPig | Hmmmm ... |
| 01:27:22 | Jayce^ | so cache the db results the first time you call it, so that on subsequent hits you only get the value.. |
| 01:27:40 | HarleyPig | In a web page I'm creating a number of links based on the results of a query. |
| 01:27:47 | Kryptik | k |
| 01:28:06 | HarleyPig | But this doesn't ahppen for every page. |
| 01:28:20 | HarleyPig | So it doesn't make sense to do this on every load of the include file. |
| 01:28:42 | Kryptik | I'm sure a couple of if/thens could take care of that |
| 01:28:56 | HarleyPig | Does php have static variables? |
| 01:29:01 | Kryptik | yes it does |
| 01:29:09 | Kryptik | The sessions are great too. |
| 01:29:33 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but this isn't session related. |
| 01:29:56 | Kryptik | Why couldn't you use sessions to track certain information? |
| 01:30:01 | HarleyPig | Ahhh ... reading the documentation is helpful. |
| 01:30:11 | HarleyPig | Sorry I bothered y'all ... I see how to do this now. |
| 01:30:15 | Kryptik | hehe |
| 01:30:19 | Kryptik | no prob |
| 01:31:15 | Jayce^ | cool.. so anyways brian.. anytime you could get that logo to me, that would be great.. |
| 01:31:16 | Kryptik | I need to start coming to the PLUG meetings... |
| 01:31:24 | Jayce^ | you coming tomorrow? |
| 01:31:42 | Kryptik | Yes, Jayce, can you send me your direct email to brian@sunergize.com so I can keep it in my contacts. |
| 01:32:21 | Kryptik | No, I can't come yet, but my schedule will be rearranging in the next couple of weeks and Kryptik (tyler) and I should both be coming. |
| 01:32:23 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 01:32:49 | Jayce^ | cool, next month hans is presenting on vim, and the month after most likely will be a distro wars meeting.. |
| 01:33:29 | Kryptik | sweet, well we need to go, but talk to you soon. Thanks. |
| 01:37:09 | Jayce^ | have I ever mentioned how much I hate Java? |
| 01:38:33 | HarleyPig | Ocassionally. |
| 01:38:34 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 01:39:00 | Jayce^ | grr.. using forte to do some homework.. man I hate this. |
| 02:25:16 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: you still there? |
| 02:26:13 | HarleyPig | yeah |
| 02:26:52 | scott | isn't forte some web thing? |
| 02:27:40 | Jayce^ | wow.. what you doing there so late? |
| 02:27:47 | Jayce^ | forte is suns java ide built in java |
| 02:28:06 | han_solo | man. java from all sides as soon as I log on |
| 02:28:16 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 02:28:19 | HarleyPig | I do outside work in the morning, so I get to work late here. Plus I still have wednesdays off. |
| 02:28:27 | Jayce^ | j4v4 5u<k5 |
| 02:28:27 | scott | do you have to use forte? |
| 02:28:40 | Jayce^ | just for an assignment.. not normally |
| 02:28:50 | scott | ahh, have you tried IntelliJ IDEA? |
| 02:29:11 | Jayce^ | nope.. |
| 02:29:18 | scott | it's an excellent IDE |
| 02:29:25 | Jayce^ | normally doesn't touch java.. |
| 02:29:37 | Jayce^ | uses the ultimate ide for his work.. gvim |
| 02:29:42 | Jayce^ | scott: url? |
| 02:29:42 | han_solo | why need ye a java ide? |
| 02:29:48 | han_solo | uses gvim |
| 02:29:49 | scott | www.intellij.com |
| 02:30:29 | scott | han_solo, have you ever experienced the pleasure of massive refactoring in vim? :) |
| 02:30:31 | Jayce^ | had to make a stupid applet, and I'm not doing java gui's by hand.. |
| 02:30:45 | han_solo | Jayce^: ahh |
| 02:31:37 | han_solo | scott: give me an ide that will do something like refactoring without messing up my source so bad that I can't use gvim the rest of the time, and I'll use that IDE to refactor. Otherwise I'll take the risk |
| 02:32:25 | scott | gives you IDEA :) |
| 02:32:51 | han_solo | thanks, I'll put that on the shelf with visual studio |
| 02:32:57 | Jayce^ | now if it just did Perl :D |
| 02:33:05 | han_solo | which I actually keep around for emergencies |
| 02:33:59 | han_solo | ok scott - one up. Now give me an IDE that will embed gvim as the editor, and I'll use that IDE consistently. |
| 02:34:16 | Jayce^ | another annoying thing about forte.. it's in java.. so even on my box it's slow! |
| 02:34:41 | scott | IDEA is slow also, but it makes up for it in saving your time |
| 02:34:44 | Jayce^ | han_solo: there you go.. that would be nice.. some of the nifty features of other ide's, with everything I want in my editor.. |
| 02:35:19 | han_solo | really, there should be no reason why the editor can't be independent of the 'nifty features' of an ide |
| 02:36:49 | Jayce^ | at OSCON active state was showing how their new version of Komodo will have vim or emacs keybindings as options... |
| 02:37:02 | Jayce^ | I stll gotta make konq and mozilla use those.. |
| 02:37:13 | han_solo | that's coming a step closer (and I like komodo), but there's a heckuva lot more to vim than keybindings. |
| 02:37:33 | Jayce^ | yeah, but at least that's there.. |
| 02:38:05 | han_solo | yeah, but it's the wrong direction - focus on getting the real thing in there. keybindings are just a token |
| 02:38:11 | Jayce^ | Komodo had some sweet stuff.. but I've still never found an IDE for the work that I do most of the time.. (mod_perl) that let's me debug and such correctly.. |
| 02:38:13 | han_solo | same would go for a real emacs user I think |
| 02:38:44 | han_solo | i've heard kde people are working on kvim which will embed into kdevelop |
| 02:38:52 | Jayce^ | puts that in his lists of things to do when he rules the world |
| 02:39:07 | scott | puts ruling the world on his list of things to do |
| 02:39:07 | Jayce^ | really?? cool.. I've heard of kvim, but never run it.. |
| 02:39:09 | han_solo | just watched sum of all fears. Are you sure you want to rule the world? |
| 02:39:19 | han_solo | me either, I don't use kde stuff very often. |
| 02:39:23 | Jayce^ | which is funny since I run kde on this box... |
| 02:39:33 | han_solo | it's not mature yet |
| 02:40:33 | Jayce^ | be nice.. then get kvim going on a zaurus or somesuch.. I'd have to get one then :D |
| 02:41:01 | Jayce^ | but knowing the kde guys it wouldn't have all the nifty perl goodness.. it would all be python.. |
| 02:42:48 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. apps.kde.com shows it embedded in konq... how nice.. |
| 02:43:16 | Jayce^ | ooohhhh and in kmail as your editor.... now I'm drooling.. |
| 03:01:41 | Jayce^ | wb BZ |
| 03:02:07 | BZFlag | thx |
| 13:09:54 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 13:09:56 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:33:59 | Jayce^ | you at work fozz? |
| 15:47:36 | Jayce^ | pokes fozz, or anybody else at about |
| 15:50:34 | levi | I'm here for about a minute. |
| 15:50:45 | Jayce^ | you at about? levi? |
| 15:51:00 | levi | Oh... about is a place? |
| 15:51:16 | Jayce^ | a company.. |
| 15:51:17 | levi | I'm not AT about, I'm just about. |
| 15:51:25 | levi | Sorry. |
| 15:52:09 | levi | And now I'm not about anymore... time for a silly meeting. |
| 15:52:12 | Jayce^ | just aboot :D |
| 17:06:03 | levi | No, I'm not Canadian. |
| 17:15:45 | orbit_ | Hey Jayce, find anyone to get the key yet? |
| 17:18:24 | fozz | pops awake |
| 17:18:33 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 17:18:33 | fozz | Jayce^: hey. |
| 17:18:37 | Jayce^ | hey boys.. |
| 17:18:50 | fozz | Yeah- I'm at work. groggy from that cinammon roll I had earlier. |
| 17:18:54 | Jayce^ | so dan, you making sure your newbie fozz makes it tonight? |
| 17:19:04 | Jayce^ | gotta make a cake for tonight.. |
| 17:19:14 | fozz | Newbie?! |
| 17:19:15 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:19:19 | Jayce^ | newbie to Plug |
| 17:19:32 | fozz | Okay, that's a fair statement. :) |
| 17:19:47 | orbit_ | heheh |
| 17:19:52 | orbit_ | Want me to pick up the key? |
| 17:20:00 | Jayce^ | if you could.. |
| 17:20:04 | orbit_ | Sure will. |
| 17:20:09 | Jayce^ | looks like no Exim tonight.. oh well.. |
| 17:20:09 | fozz | Do you guys have opening prayer at PLUG meetings? |
| 17:20:20 | Jayce^ | hey, not a bad idea :D |
| 17:20:40 | fozz | See, I have this fear of Utah Valley. |
| 17:20:51 | fozz | It was a big step for me to take this job. :-) |
| 17:20:53 | Jayce^ | "Please bless those doomed to work on windows systems..." |
| 17:21:22 | fozz | Jayce^: I really like the area right behind the Ranches office. |
| 17:21:26 | Jayce^ | or with postgres... |
| 17:21:36 | fozz | spews diet coke out his nose |
| 17:21:36 | Jayce^ | fozz: those nice ones on the fairway... |
| 17:21:48 | fozz | Oh no. Don't be bashing Postgres. |
| 17:21:52 | Jayce^ | gotta put that one in.. |
| 17:21:57 | fozz | has used PostgreSQL since `95 |
| 17:22:01 | Jayce^ | prefers mysql.. but is using both at work.. |
| 17:22:06 | fozz | It's a REAL database - unlike MySQL. :) |
| 17:22:16 | fozz | table locking?! What's that about? |
| 17:22:20 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 17:22:28 | levi | Uh oh... holy war time. |
| 17:22:31 | fozz | okay. I'm through. |
| 17:22:33 | Jayce^ | hey, innodb is versioning. |
| 17:22:38 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:22:43 | fozz | I don't want to be the flame-happy PLUG newbie. |
| 17:23:04 | Jayce^ | hye, it's always fun when roberto and sasha get going.. |
| 17:24:10 | orbit_ | heehee...I add my fule to those discussions :-) |
| 17:24:27 | orbit_ | er fuel that is. |
| 17:24:27 | Jayce^ | so anyways fozz, if you want a real deal, the house on the corner for us is going waay cheap.. buncha mexicans bought it, then got kicked out when the bank realized they were moving 5 families in to pay for it.. it's empty now and the bank wants to sell bad.. |
| 17:24:38 | orbit_ | heh. |
| 17:24:46 | Jayce^ | orbit_: yeah, you and your "one true relational database" talks.. |
| 17:25:05 | fozz | I told Dan I could come be on this panel representing Sendmail. :) |
| 17:25:05 | orbit_ | heehee, you've only seen the beginning mwoohahahahah.... |
| 17:25:06 | Jayce^ | can't use anything already out there, gotta make something new :D |
| 17:25:22 | orbit_ | I've tried most of what's out there --- that's the problem :-) |
| 17:25:23 | Jayce^ | fozz: if you want to, that would be great... mike wanted to but he's in seattle.. |
| 17:25:25 | fozz | Jayce^: Nice house? |
| 17:25:53 | Jayce^ | decent.. about the same size as mine.. probably get it for about $100 though :D |
| 17:26:03 | fozz | wow |
| 17:26:20 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's been empty for a few months.. that's why the bank is desparate.. |
| 17:26:38 | orbit_ | Actually there's a company here in Provo that has implemented a system like I'm looking for, but it's very Windows slanted. |
| 17:26:48 | Jayce^ | ugh... hosers.. |
| 17:26:51 | orbit_ | And proprietary to boot. |
| 17:26:56 | Jayce^ | oh orbit_, tell ou about the new book I got? |
| 17:27:04 | orbit_ | which one? |
| 17:27:12 | Jayce^ | from manning.. |
| 17:27:18 | orbit_ | Postfix? |
| 17:27:21 | Jayce^ | embedding Perl.. |
| 17:27:27 | orbit_ | Ah, cool. |
| 17:27:40 | Jayce^ | everything about perl internals, and putting it in things (even includes mutt examples) |
| 17:27:47 | Jayce^ | xs, swig, inline.. |
| 17:27:49 | orbit_ | remebers the Postfix book is published by Sams (thinks...) |
| 17:27:54 | orbit_ | cool. |
| 17:28:03 | Jayce^ | yeah, and those hosers don't have a user-group program.. |
| 17:28:35 | Jayce^ | really needs to finish some write-ups bad.. |
| 17:29:05 | orbit_ | Hey, I'm kinda new to the irc thing, Do I need to set up a bot somewhere to keep me from auto-awaying? |
| 17:29:12 | orbit_ | Or is it 'ok' to aut-away? |
| 17:30:17 | Jayce^ | depends on the room... personally I don't have xchat set to auto-away |
| 17:30:18 | fozz | It's not too bad. |
| 17:30:29 | fozz | orbit_: What client are you using? |
| 17:30:40 | fozz | gaim's IRC plugin? |
| 17:30:44 | orbit_ | BitchX |
| 17:30:47 | fozz | Ahhh. |
| 17:30:50 | fozz | I use epic4 |
| 17:31:21 | orbit_ | Problem with BitchX is if you're not carefull it makes fun of you in front of everybody if you're a newby :-) |
| 17:31:30 | fozz | ~:) |
| 17:31:32 | Jayce^ | never tried that one.. I'm still using xchat, even though I use kde on this box.. |
| 17:31:45 | fozz | xchat is the nicest GUI client I've used. |
| 17:31:51 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:32:15 | fozz | I use epic primarily so I can leave it running in a screen session. |
| 17:32:31 | fozz | It supports windows - like xchat's tabs - which is nice. |
| 17:32:44 | fozz | and logging, tab-completion, and scripting. |
| 17:32:54 | Jayce^ | yeah, I jsut wish there were good hot keys for switching tabs without using the mouse.. |
| 17:33:25 | Jayce^ | xchat has perl scripting.. one of the greatest reasons to use it.. |
| 17:34:45 | Jayce^ | SysInfo: Linux 2.4.18-6mdk | AMD Athlon(TM) XP2000+ @ 1679MHz | BogoMIPS: 3348.88 | Mem: 222MB/514MB 7[3||||14------7] | Diskspace: 39GB/50GB 7[3|||||||14---7] | Screen Res: 2880x1200 | Procs: 91 | eth0: In: 443.7MB Out: 228.8MB | Uptime: 5 days, 2 hours 33 minutes | Users: 1 | Load: 0.56, 0.20, 0.15 |
| 17:34:51 | Jayce^ | all in perl. |
| 17:37:47 | Jayce^ | so fozz, you serious about sendmail? |
| 17:38:13 | fozz | Jayce^: Well, I do use it on about 25-30 machines. :) |
| 17:38:33 | fozz | But I don't claim it's better than anything else. :) |
| 17:38:38 | fozz | It's just what I know best. |
| 17:38:41 | Jayce^ | well, if you're willing, go ahead and ask dan about what he's covering, and we'll fit you in.. the show how it's done. |
| 17:39:08 | fozz | k. |
| 19:21:00 | Jayce^ | got the key orbit? |
| 19:43:29 | orbit | yup |
| 19:43:54 | Jayce^ | sweet.. |
| 19:44:05 | Jayce^ | you going to bring the green machine (projector) tonight? |
| 19:44:19 | orbit | Probably not. |
| 19:44:27 | orbit | Lemme check on that, though. |
| 19:44:30 | Jayce^ | k.. |
| 19:45:44 | orbit | Lets plan on me bringing it, and if not, I'll let you know. I've also got a little Belkin 2-way KVM switch. |
| 19:45:52 | Jayce^ | nice.. |
| 19:51:38 | Jayce^ | hey fozz, if you're willing to rent for a bit.. mike handy needs guys in his place.. |
| 19:51:47 | Jayce^ | as dan or ned about it :D niiiiiice place :D |
| 19:51:55 | orbit | Very nice place. |
| 19:52:05 | Jayce^ | just talkign to mike about it.. |
| 20:38:35 | fozz | If I could just sell my house in Hyrum. |
| 20:39:14 | fozz | I don't know if I'm going to be able ot make it tonight. A bunch of freelance stuff crept up on me today. |
| 20:39:18 | fozz | sighs |
| 20:39:26 | Jayce^ | sure... slacker. |
| 20:39:28 | fozz | I hate it when people offer to pay me money. |
| 22:32:28 | O_Shekinah | hi! |
| 22:32:30 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 22:32:43 | Jayce^ | brasileiro? |
| 22:32:43 | O_Shekinah | I´m Marcos Tulio. |
| 22:33:05 | O_Shekinah | sim. |
| 22:33:25 | Jayce^ | legal |
| 22:34:01 | O_Shekinah | Jayce. |
| 22:34:06 | O_Shekinah | voce usa Linux ? |
| 22:34:10 | Jayce^ | claro |
| 22:34:18 | O_Shekinah | q legal. |
| 22:34:28 | O_Shekinah | é tão raro uma mulher usar. |
| 22:34:59 | O_Shekinah | :-) |
| 22:35:02 | O_Shekinah | congratulations., |
| 22:35:28 | Jayce^ | não sou mulher rapaz.. |
| 22:35:42 | O_Shekinah | ops... |
| 22:35:44 | O_Shekinah | heheheh |
| 22:36:21 | Jayce^ | o que se traz à #utah ? |
| 22:37:40 | O_Shekinah | conhecer amigos. |
| 22:37:49 | O_Shekinah | http://intra.pb.senac.br/marcos/ |
| 22:37:52 | O_Shekinah | este sou eu. |
| 22:38:09 | O_Shekinah | procuro amigos para compartilhar conhecimentos. |
| 22:38:21 | Jayce^ | legal.. |
| 22:38:33 | O_Shekinah | minha cabeça já está lotada... tenho que expandir... doar conhecimento. |
| 22:39:42 | O_Shekinah | 1,81:1) |
| 22:40:41 | Jayce^ | hehe.. nossa grupo de Linux terá uma reunião hoje a noite.. |
| 22:41:10 | Jayce^ | teremos uma "guerra dos MTA" |
| 22:41:33 | O_Shekinah | criei um script que identifica a explosao do CACHE do squid... e automaticamente... para o squid... limpa o cache... recria e starta novamente. |
| 22:41:35 | O_Shekinah | 1,81:1) |
| 22:42:37 | Jayce^ | chique... |
| 22:43:03 | O_Shekinah | thankz. |
| 22:43:15 | O_Shekinah | Jayce^... aqui o pessoal fala tanto... |
| 22:43:18 | O_Shekinah | uhahuahuhaua |
| 22:43:28 | Jayce^ | (morei no Minas, então, falarei coisas esquisitas.. uai) |
| 22:43:32 | O_Shekinah | minha maquina tá dando lag) |
| 22:44:03 | Jayce^ | todo mucdo sai do trabalho pouco tempo atrás.. estão indo à casa no momento.. |
| 22:44:03 | O_Shekinah | de tantas linhas de papo. |
| 22:44:13 | O_Shekinah | sei... |
| 22:44:20 | O_Shekinah | estao indo "para" casa |
| 22:44:34 | O_Shekinah | estou vendo que voce está no exterior a muito tempo. |
| 22:44:35 | O_Shekinah | hehehe |
| 22:44:56 | Jayce^ | já faz mais de 5 anos.. |
| 22:45:00 | O_Shekinah | poxa.. |
| 22:45:04 | O_Shekinah | esquecesse muita coisa. |
| 22:45:11 | O_Shekinah | estais aonde ? |
| 22:45:15 | O_Shekinah | q pais. |
| 22:45:22 | Jayce^ | e também falo com sotaque mineiro.. |
| 22:45:27 | O_Shekinah | huahuahue |
| 22:45:33 | Jayce^ | sou dos Estados Unidos mesmo.. |
| 22:45:40 | O_Shekinah | ah |
| 22:45:50 | Jayce^ | estou no Utah agora.. mas cresci no Seattle |
| 22:45:59 | O_Shekinah | bem... se quiser + 1 funcionario com vc.. é só me chamar. |
| 22:46:02 | O_Shekinah | huahueuhuahuehu |
| 22:46:15 | O_Shekinah | UTAH é uma universidade, não é ? |
| 22:46:57 | Jayce^ | é um estado.. tem mais de uma universidade.. há uma chamdo Universidade de Utah |
| 22:47:35 | Jayce^ | e mais uma chamado a Universidade do Estado de Utah |
| 22:48:42 | Jayce^ | talvéz ce conhece o Roberto da Universidade do Estado de Utah? só conhece que ele é do brasil, não sei da aonde |
| 22:50:09 | O_Shekinah | ahhh sim. |
| 22:50:23 | O_Shekinah | é porque aqui tem uma escola de linux, chamada UTAH |
| 22:50:37 | O_Shekinah | por isso q eu entrei aqui. |
| 22:50:52 | O_Shekinah | pensando q era o canal desta escola. |
| 22:50:53 | O_Shekinah | 1,81:1) |
| 22:50:55 | Jayce^ | realmente? legal.. |
| 22:51:28 | Jayce^ | não.. aqui são a gente que gosta do Linux no Estado do Utah.. |
| 22:51:39 | O_Shekinah | ahh |
| 22:51:46 | O_Shekinah | sei. |
| 22:51:47 | Jayce^ | mas você tá bem vindo a visitar.. |
| 22:51:48 | O_Shekinah | 1,81:1))) |
| 22:51:58 | O_Shekinah | thank you, very much. |
| 22:52:04 | O_Shekinah | qq coisa, manda as ordens |
| 22:52:07 | Jayce^ | vou jantar agora... até mais.. |
| 22:52:09 | O_Shekinah | me diz uma coisa.. |
| 22:52:15 | Jayce^ | sim |
| 22:52:17 | O_Shekinah | O LINUX está bem aceito ai ? |
| 22:52:22 | O_Shekinah | tem aparecido serviços ? |
| 22:52:35 | O_Shekinah | ou o pessoal aí escolhe mais WINDOWS ... |
| 22:52:38 | O_Shekinah | registrado.. e tal... |
| 22:52:51 | O_Shekinah | como é a cabeça... do norte americano... pro Linux. |
| 22:52:56 | Jayce^ | depende .. |
| 22:53:02 | O_Shekinah | é aberta? ou vê com maus olhos. |
| 22:53:48 | Jayce^ | tem differencias entre a gente... algums gostam.. outros não.. mais e mais a gente gosa |
| 22:53:52 | Jayce^ | gosta |
| 22:54:09 | O_Shekinah | certo |
| 22:54:14 | O_Shekinah | bem... ate amanha. |
| 22:54:18 | O_Shekinah | vou sair do trabalho agora |
| 22:54:20 | Jayce^ | ate.. |
| 22:54:22 | O_Shekinah | bye.. bye.. |
| 23:37:38 | brailsmt | bah... |
| 23:37:57 | brailsmt | todos los sabios saben que espanol es el idioma do los dioses... |
| 23:38:06 | brailsmt | s/do/de |
| 23:38:10 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:45:18 | han_solo | loves both |
| 23:45:29 | han_solo | brailsmt: I'm writing my 470 projects in ruby |
| 23:59:34 | brailsmt | i wonder if I will get a chance to use ruby in 428... |
| 23:59:51 | brailsmt | if there is a chance... i *will* take it :) |