| 13:34:02 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 14:57:10) |
| 14:48:41 | fozz | Mooo! |
| 14:48:57 | levi | Mooof. |
| 14:50:23 | fozz | Greetings. |
| 14:50:35 | fozz | Where is lnxi? |
| 14:51:07 | fozz | Ahhh. Sandy. |
| 14:51:26 | levi | Yup. |
| 14:52:18 | fozz | Are you close to that Harman Audio building? |
| 14:52:56 | fozz | They're on Sandy Parkway. |
| 14:52:56 | levi | Hmm. I don't think so. We're on the west side of the tracks. |
| 14:52:58 | han_solo | tips fozz over |
| 14:53:15 | fozz | props himself up on one elbow |
| 14:53:28 | han_solo | takes a picture |
| 14:53:56 | fozz | Harman is across from the sports park. |
| 14:54:06 | fozz | Sounds like you guys are probably a little more west. |
| 14:54:28 | fozz | I worked over at Harman (when it was DOD) back in 94-95. |
| 14:54:58 | fozz | Introduced Linux to the workplace there, even. :) |
| 14:55:04 | levi | Sweet. :) |
| 14:55:22 | fozz | Yeah. And I introduced twisted pair networking too. |
| 14:55:35 | fozz | Before that, they had coax strung everywhere with repeaters. heh heh. |
| 14:55:43 | levi | I was the sysadmin here for a few months, then switched to software development. |
| 14:55:50 | fozz | They wondered why everything was so slow. |
| 14:56:05 | fozz | levi: How many people are employed at lnxi now? |
| 14:57:07 | levi | Hrm. 90-something. |
| 14:57:31 | fozz | Cool. Any part-time positions? My wife will be looking soon. :-) |
| 14:57:42 | fozz | We're moving down from Logan. I'm working in Orem now. |
| 14:57:46 | levi | What sort of job is she looking for? |
| 14:58:05 | fozz | She has experience in Unix development as well as QA - whitebox and blackbox. |
| 14:58:47 | fozz | I think she just wants a job where she doesn't have to use Windows much. :-) |
| 14:59:33 | levi | It'd be worth sending in a resume for, I think. There aren't any advertised positions open that I know of, but we're also a bit short on people considering the huge projects we're working on right now. |
| 14:59:45 | fozz | Hmmmm. If I wasn't already employed, I'd probably applying for that Distribution Engineer position on the lnxi site. But I'm happy... for now. |
| 14:59:58 | fozz | levi: I'll have her do that! |
| 15:01:36 | fozz | levi: Thanks! |
| 15:02:08 | levi | Sadly, though, quite a few people run Windows here. Mostly sales, marketing, and exec folks, but still. That's the main reason I got away from sysadmin stuff, aside from liking development better. |
| 15:16:15 | fozz | Where I'm at now... (About in Orem) a lot of people use Windows too... |
| 15:16:33 | fozz | but they're using running Putty/TTSSH, or something like that to connect to Linux sevrers. |
| 15:16:44 | fozz | Not me, tho. ;) |
| 15:18:50 | levi | Heh. :) |
| 15:31:47 | CosmicPenguin | levi: they're probably not advertising becauze there are zero Linux jobs in the entire SLC valley - if they advertised, they would be delluged |
| 15:32:39 | Jayce^ | heh.. just added a jobs board on the plug site, now to get some in htere :D |
| 15:34:00 | levi | CosmicPenguin: We are advertising some linux jobs, though. Distribution Engineers. |
| 15:34:11 | Jayce^ | want to post them on the plug site :D |
| 15:34:17 | Jayce^ | so I can launch it with some jobs :D |
| 15:35:44 | levi | Well, I would, but I don't really want to keep track of when they're filled and whatnot. |
| 16:19:30 | han_solo | morning brailsmt |
| 16:20:36 | brailsmt | hola! |
| 16:20:49 | han_solo | so who won the other day anyhow? |
| 16:20:57 | brailsmt | byu v hawaii? |
| 16:21:01 | brailsmt | byu |
| 16:21:07 | brailsmt | 35 - 32 |
| 16:21:09 | Jayce^ | nail-biter |
| 16:21:12 | brailsmt | it was a close game |
| 16:21:17 | han_solo | cool |
| 19:34:59 | Jayce^ | who here uses mutt? |
| 19:35:52 | levi | I do, sometimes. |
| 19:36:05 | Jayce^ | just reading a new perl book, covers embedding perl in mutt.. |
| 19:36:13 | han_solo | uses mutt |
| 19:37:13 | Jayce^ | you might like this book han, covers all forms of embedding perl in other things, or other things in perl |
| 19:44:31 | han_solo | cool |
| 20:11:58 | fozz | uses mutt |
| 20:12:10 | fozz | uses perl to create custom signatures in mutt |
| 20:12:28 | fozz | Jayce^: What's the title of the book? |
| 20:12:56 | Jayce^ | http://www.manning.com/jenness/index.html |
| 20:13:09 | fozz | So... where is the best place to move to in the southern Salt Lake valley if I want broadband connectivity? |
| 20:14:12 | Jayce^ | just across the hill.. go to Eagle Mountain :D |
| 20:14:21 | fozz | Where's that? |
| 20:14:31 | han_solo | middle of nowhere. :) |
| 20:14:42 | fozz | heh. |
| 20:14:51 | fozz | I'm liking the sound of it already. |
| 20:14:56 | Jayce^ | take redwood past camp williams, take a right at the state road, 2 miles up.. |
| 20:15:16 | fozz | And it has broadband? |
| 20:15:19 | fozz | What kind? |
| 20:15:24 | Jayce^ | dsl, or wireless |
| 20:15:32 | fozz | Hmmmm. |
| 20:15:37 | fozz | I'll have to drive up there. |
| 20:15:41 | Jayce^ | go to the ranches.. it's better than the true "eagle mountain" areaa |
| 20:15:49 | fozz | ranches? |
| 20:15:55 | Jayce^ | it's a pretty cool place.. and cheap houses.. |
| 20:16:00 | Jayce^ | the development I'm in.. |
| 20:16:02 | fozz | Jayce^: You live there? |
| 20:16:05 | han_solo | "The Ranches" |
| 20:16:05 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:16:05 | fozz | dang- beat me |
| 20:16:23 | fozz | I'm working in Orem now. |
| 20:16:34 | fozz | Was hoping to find a place in Riverton or South Jordan, but so far nothing has broadband. |
| 20:16:39 | Jayce^ | if you're coming south on i-15, take the main lehi exit, then it's 7-miles west.. |
| 20:16:54 | Jayce^ | cool.. we're halfway between orem and slc.. |
| 20:16:59 | fozz | Is that area called "saratoga springs"? |
| 20:16:59 | Jayce^ | just on the other side of the lake.. |
| 20:17:07 | Jayce^ | just past saratoga :D |
| 20:17:07 | fozz | or where is that? |
| 20:17:13 | fozz | oh okay. |
| 20:17:35 | fozz | Thanks! |
| 20:17:51 | Jayce^ | actually, the main part of saratoga is on the lake, and just south of us.. where you would turn left (on redwood) to get there, go straight, and it's just over the hill.. |
| 20:18:13 | Jayce^ | what price range you looking at? |
| 20:18:19 | fozz | 175-225 |
| 20:18:49 | Jayce^ | wow.. you're making good money... (unless that a per month, splitting a place with somebody) |
| 20:19:04 | fozz | :) |
| 20:19:16 | Jayce^ | get a great place out here for that much.. |
| 20:19:16 | fozz | Well, we'll have some money off the house we're selling in Cache Valley |
| 20:19:18 | han_solo | heh. I could afford 175-225 a month :) |
| 20:19:39 | fozz | I'm planning on about 1000-1200/mo for a payment. |
| 20:19:48 | Jayce^ | fha? |
| 20:20:00 | fozz | Probably conventional. |
| 20:20:19 | Jayce^ | k.. quite a bit in that range out here.. |
| 20:20:27 | fozz | Okay. I'll check it out tonight. :) |
| 20:20:29 | Jayce^ | quite a few different buildiers.. |
| 20:20:49 | fozz | Right now I'm staying with my parents in West Valley during the week. |
| 20:20:49 | Jayce^ | www.theranches.com |
| 20:20:54 | fozz | They can get AT&T or DSL. |
| 20:21:10 | fozz | But I'm not sure I want to live in West Valley. :) |
| 20:21:48 | Jayce^ | no, especially working in orem. |
| 20:22:07 | fozz | It's not too bad, really. Only about 35 min. |
| 20:22:15 | fozz | I just grab I-215 and then I-15 |
| 20:23:53 | BZFlag | fozz: there are a number of homes up for sale in Cherry Village that would be on the low end of that range. it's a private village next to MV and the orem rec center. |
| 20:24:14 | BZFlag | nice area, I love it. near to I-15 but it does not feel like it, and also near to state st etc. |
| 20:24:23 | BZFlag | 200 S 400 W |
| 20:24:45 | BZFlag | no digital cable here yet, but DSL is here. |
| 20:25:03 | Jayce^ | there are a ton of developments out in this area.. but IMHO ranches is the best .. |
| 20:25:16 | BZFlag | the village has a shared park + pool in the center. |
| 20:25:29 | fozz | Heh heh. "WOULDN'T IT BE NICE FOR YOUR CHILD TO LEARN ABOUT THE PONY EXPRESS NOT FROM A HISTORY BOOK BUT BY RIDING THEIR BICYCLES ALONG IT?" |
| 20:25:31 | han_solo | fozz, you could come live in wyview if one of you takes classes |
| 20:25:53 | fozz | MV? |
| 20:26:23 | Jayce^ | han_solo: ouch... :D |
| 20:26:41 | fozz | Where is Cherry Village? |
| 20:27:16 | fozz | I'd love it if I could live near other like-minded people. In Hyrum, all my neighbors are cops. :) |
| 20:28:03 | BZFlag | fozz: 200S 400W orem is the entrance. |
| 20:28:23 | BZFlag | I'm at 257S Cherry Drive. |
| 20:28:29 | fozz | I think that's a bit too far south for me. |
| 20:28:42 | fozz | But maybe I'll change my mind. |
| 20:28:47 | fozz | :) |
| 20:29:11 | BZFlag | where are you working in Orem? |
| 20:29:20 | fozz | About.com |
| 20:29:24 | BZFlag | I'm in Lindon, 2 exits north. |
| 20:29:39 | fozz | That's where you work, you mean? |
| 20:30:11 | fozz | Is that where ole Lineo is? |
| 20:30:42 | BZFlag | yeah. behind Home Depot off the Lindon exit. |
| 20:31:26 | Jayce^ | used to live right next to where BZFlag works.. |
| 20:31:26 | BZFlag | where is about? web site says NY. ;-) |
| 20:31:37 | Jayce^ | arent' they in the old WP campus? |
| 20:31:55 | BZFlag | the old campus or the old old campus? |
| 20:32:03 | Jayce^ | fozz, you get the Perl job there? |
| 20:32:15 | Jayce^ | old old as in up against the mountain.. |
| 20:33:50 | BZFlag | that's the old. the old old is behind the post office off center st. |
| 20:34:21 | Jayce^ | oh, where caldera is now? (or was) |
| 20:34:27 | BZFlag | the old old has also been home to myfamily and caldera |
| 20:34:47 | BZFlag | caldera is now near lineo behind Home Depot. |
| 20:35:07 | Jayce^ | thought they moved.. |
| 20:35:50 | BZFlag | they did. they were behind the post office off center st in orem, now behind Home Depot in Lindon. |
| 20:36:19 | Jayce^ | Home Depot.. I should just transfer my paychecks straight to them :D |
| 20:38:37 | fozz | hee hee |
| 20:38:53 | fozz | BZFlag: I get off at the Lindon exit. |
| 20:39:16 | BZFlag | drop by sometime. ;-) but not now, cause I'm working from home. ;-) |
| 20:39:22 | fozz | BZFlag: The About Web Services office is in the old WP campus- BUilding Q |
| 20:39:29 | BZFlag | k |
| 20:39:33 | fozz | They should call it the New Convergys campus now. |
| 20:39:39 | BZFlag | heh |
| 20:40:03 | fozz | Lots of young, no-skill pretenders sitting on the grass smoking between shifts. |
| 20:40:15 | BZFlag | well drive by Cherry Village sometime and see what you think. |
| 20:40:18 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:40:23 | fozz | Okay. |
| 20:40:34 | fozz | But, yeah, I got one of the Perl jobs. |
| 20:40:40 | BZFlag | i-15 to center to 400w to 200s then you'll see the for sale signs. |
| 20:40:41 | Jayce^ | if you head up to the ranches fozz.. should give me a heads up.. I can tell you what's good. |
| 20:40:44 | fozz | A popular job opening, apparently. |
| 20:40:49 | Jayce^ | cool, I could use another perl hacker up here :D |
| 20:40:55 | fozz | They said I was on the top of a list of 500 people. |
| 20:41:00 | fozz | Jayce^: Where are you? |
| 20:41:12 | Jayce^ | work from home :D in the ranches.. |
| 20:41:24 | fozz | Oh. I see. Who do you work for? |
| 20:41:35 | BZFlag | ahh, work from home. ain't broadband great when it works? ;-) |
| 20:41:46 | fozz | I think I'm going to drive out there after work today. |
| 20:41:59 | fozz | I've been working out of my basement (in Hyrum) for a couple years before taking this job at About |
| 20:42:04 | Jayce^ | little company.. owner is in alaska and knows nobody is up there.. so hires telecommuters.. |
| 20:42:18 | fozz | Cache Valley has to be the best-connected area in Utah. |
| 20:42:18 | BZFlag | well, I better head into the office for some face to face. back on later. |
| 20:42:25 | fozz | Bye BZ |
| 20:42:52 | fozz | Anyone in Cache Valley can get AT&T broadband and every CO has DSL. |
| 20:43:15 | fozz | Too bad there are no jobs up there. :) |
| 20:43:27 | Jayce^ | heh.. not exactly a lot here either :D |
| 20:43:36 | fozz | Good point. |
| 20:43:51 | fozz | Jayce^: That's cool about the Alaskan connection. What kind of work do you do? |
| 20:44:10 | Jayce^ | Perl... what else ? :D |
| 20:44:25 | fozz | Well, yeah- but what kind of apps? :) |
| 20:45:06 | Jayce^ | tools for home-business/mlm/biz-op type people.. |
| 20:46:00 | fozz | Web apps? |
| 20:46:04 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:46:10 | fozz | Cool. mod_perl or just CGI? |
| 20:46:56 | Jayce^ | existing code is absolutely horrible CGI.. I was hired on to help convert it all to mod_perl.. |
| 20:47:17 | fozz | Nice! |
| 20:47:27 | fozz | Sounds like a fun job! |
| 20:47:58 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:48:03 | Jayce^ | it's nice working from home.. |
| 20:51:54 | fozz | Yeah- it is nice. |
| 20:52:11 | fozz | I miss watching re-runs of The X-Files and Buffy in the afternoons. :) |
| 21:00:06 | Jayce^ | dragonball-z |
| 21:43:23 | han_solo | item #1 on today's todo list done |
| 21:44:07 | Jayce^ | 1 of how many? |
| 21:44:19 | Jayce^ | so, who all is coming wednesday? |
| 21:44:49 | han_solo | 4 |
| 21:45:01 | han_solo | hopefully the other 3 don't take so long |
| 21:45:05 | han_solo | is thinking about it |
| 22:23:55 | han_solo | has anyone here written an eliza AIM bot? |
| 22:34:37 | han_solo | Bradipo: still d/l'ing scriptures.lds.org? |
| 23:11:04 | Bradipo | lol |
| 23:11:12 | Bradipo | I stopped the download. |
| 23:11:28 | Bradipo | I am going to try later on a system with more space. :-) |
| 23:11:44 | Bradipo | han_solo: You still around? |
| 23:11:47 | han_solo | :) I tried that once (each page really does have a unique url), but they have so many links to other parts of lds.org |
| 23:11:57 | han_solo | that you end up with so much more than the word |
| 23:11:59 | Bradipo | That's why you use -np |
| 23:12:06 | han_solo | what does that do? |
| 23:12:12 | Bradipo | I believe it won't go outside of the ``parent'' domain. |
| 23:12:21 | han_solo | that's just it - the parent domain is the same |
| 23:12:28 | han_solo | well, otoh maybe not |
| 23:12:32 | han_solo | if you use scriptures.lds.org |
| 23:12:39 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 23:12:46 | Bradipo | I think it will only get scriptures.lds.org |
| 23:12:49 | Bradipo | But I could be wrong. |
| 23:12:59 | Bradipo | You can also specify the depth of the recursion with -l |
| 23:13:20 | Bradipo | About your AIM bot... |
| 23:14:32 | han_solo | you don't work for aol do you? you're not going to slap an infringement penalty on me are you? |
| 23:15:09 | Bradipo | lol |
| 23:15:10 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 23:15:18 | Bradipo | My nick is garbaglio |
| 23:15:20 | Bradipo | Give it a shot. |
| 23:15:53 | Bradipo | I didn't write it, but I know who did... |
| 23:16:22 | han_solo | can I sic it on someone? |
| 23:16:22 | Bradipo | It's written in Tcl and is easily modified. |
| 23:16:30 | Bradipo | Sure. |
| 23:16:40 | Bradipo | I have watched many an interesting conversation... |
| 23:16:55 | Bradipo | I wanted to rewrite it because the logic is broken in a lot of places. |
| 23:17:30 | han_solo | alas, the one I wanted to sic it on is gone |
| 23:17:46 | Bradipo | Test it yourself. :-) |
| 23:18:04 | Bradipo | My sister once spoke to it for 30 minutes before she realized it wasn't me. |
| 23:18:27 | Bradipo | But she did start to show signs of frustration because it was not conversing logically. |
| 23:19:45 | Bradipo | Once I take an AI class I might try to repair it... :-) |
| 23:20:10 | Bradipo | It responds well to subjects like computer, food, and even swear words. |
| 23:21:02 | Bradipo | Well, sometimes. :-) |
| 23:21:22 | Bradipo | Some of the answers are pretty random. |
| 23:22:24 | Bradipo | I used to leave it running when I was away from my computer, but people eventually got annoyed by it. |
| 23:23:39 | han_solo | lol |
| 23:23:55 | han_solo | well, I'd set it up to respond to a few someones who only want to chat mindlessly anyway |
| 23:24:07 | Bradipo | That would be cool. |
| 23:24:34 | Bradipo | There's a glitch. |
| 23:24:39 | Bradipo | Oh, and linux is another topic. |
| 23:25:06 | Bradipo | Well, I thought it was... |
| 23:25:24 | Bradipo | It's been a while since I had this thing running. |
| 23:25:31 | Bradipo | I wonder if I have modified it since... |
| 23:27:28 | Bradipo | One day I found another eliza bot and started up a conversation with it with my bot. |
| 23:27:34 | Bradipo | It was funny to say the least. |
| 23:28:01 | Bradipo | Good thing mine was smart enough to introduce a 250ms delay per character or we would have ended up flooding the AIM network. |
| 23:29:26 | han_solo | lol |
| 23:32:30 | Bradipo | Needs a wider array of responses. |
| 23:33:04 | Bradipo | But for the unexpecting, it usually works out pretty good. |
| 23:33:15 | han_solo | yeah :) |
| 23:33:19 | Bradipo | Most people wouldn't ever expect to be talking with a computer, so they assume the responses are coming from a person. |
| 23:33:28 | Bradipo | They just think that they turned weird for a while or something. |
| 23:33:50 | Bradipo | Here, the element of surprise helps out. |
| 23:34:24 | Bradipo | You were expect it, so your questions and discussions are aimed at testing it, instead of simple conversation---obviously poor programming, but I didn't write it, I just modified it. :-) |
| 23:34:57 | han_solo | yeah. and I know how eliza works and thinks too |
| 23:34:58 | Bradipo | I also tried to handl smiley faces... |
| 23:35:16 | Bradipo | Try a ;-) |
| 23:35:29 | Bradipo | I don't know if I had the time to get it working properly. |
| 23:35:53 | Bradipo | Try one on a line by itself. |
| 23:36:16 | Bradipo | Hmm, must not be working then. |
| 23:36:48 | Bradipo | The code wasn't written very well---they should have used regex to match the stuff. |
| 23:36:59 | Bradipo | But instead did simple string matches. |
| 23:37:45 | han_solo | ahh |
| 23:37:58 | han_solo | well I know there's a perl chatbot module that a friend used to make one |
| 23:38:05 | han_solo | said it was fairly simple |
| 23:38:13 | Bradipo | It actually is. |