| 13:19:36 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 62:55:57) |
| 18:45:17 | levi | Quiet day here. Is everyone in class or something? |
| 18:48:36 | Mecworks | bbeattie: How's it going? |
| 18:48:52 | bbeattie | good, |
| 18:49:00 | Mecworks | cool |
| 18:49:00 | bbeattie | learning lots about ogg lately, |
| 18:49:04 | Mecworks | nice! |
| 18:49:11 | Mecworks | they way it should be |
| 18:49:31 | bbeattie | should, yes, is, no, will be, questionable. ;) |
| 18:50:47 | Mecworks | Yea, I there was good hardware support for ogg. |
| 18:50:55 | Mecworks | car audio etc. |
| 18:51:25 | bbeattie | I've been playing around with houdini lately too, (3d software from Side effects, use don LOTR, Harry Potter, etc) pretty nice, but even for me, which is unual, it's a bit complex to understand. It's like 3D Max, with "linking" of objects to effects. (ie, create some complex mesh, then you draw a link from a "wave" object that you've setup to the mesh and the mesh behaves based on the wave data. |
| 18:52:10 | bbeattie | powerful, but complex, a whole different way of thinking about 3d modeling. |
| 18:53:10 | bbeattie | Um, for audio/ogg, not sure. I've been talking to sonic blue to see if they will release a ROM for my rio volt so I can use ogg/mp3 instead off mp3/wma. No luck, yet. I believe there are no commercial hardware decoders either, for car or your rackmount. :-) |
| 18:54:05 | levi | I think part of the reason for that is that there were no integer math implementations of ogg. I think one may have been released just recently. |
| 18:54:53 | bbeattie | ogg requires a little more processing power, but there is a nice integer decoder released withen the past week, that's plenty fast for my zaurus. There are hopes by many to get a car stereo to support ogg. the MP3 Car (run by a linux box) can do ogg, but that's a desktop in the trunk. empeg, a linux car mp3 player, is planning on ogg to from what I've heard. |
| 18:54:54 | Mecworks | Yea, the one for the Zarus was just released last week. |
| 18:56:35 | bbeattie | I had a little fun with blender too last week, http://www.sllug.org/cts/cts-booth.html |
| 18:57:17 | CosmicPenguin | bbeattie: you could always use a Tuxscreen in your car too... :) |
| 18:57:29 | Mecworks | It seems that the blender group will be opening the source now that people have raised the 100K to buy it's freedom. |
| 18:57:34 | Mecworks | true |
| 18:57:46 | bbeattie | I have a more detailed one, but I got upset when I couldn't get the curtains in the back looking good enough for myself. :-) heh |
| 18:58:10 | bbeattie | Mecworks: yup, donators get it too, early. :-) |
| 18:58:26 | Mecworks | cool |
| 18:58:59 | Mecworks | nice, do they have the tables or are we supposed to supply them? |
| 18:59:00 | bbeattie | CosmicPenguin: true, but *sigh* I'd opt for pc104 before the tuxscreen. The tuxscreen would be great, if it could do full audio. I believe the tuxphone has limited sound. |
| 18:59:47 | Mecworks | are there pcmcia soude cards? |
| 18:59:48 | bbeattie | Mecworks: they provide 2, (I guess their charing $160.00 for the tables) But I believe Doug and I have a contact to get a table, and drape for the third table. |
| 19:00:09 | Mecworks | cool |
| 19:00:22 | bbeattie | Mecworks: yes, but not supported for linux as of 6 months ago, I almost got a tux-screen and I checked the audio out, including pcmcia ones. |
| 19:00:45 | bbeattie | I don't think tux-screen's have pcmcia slots though, right? |
| 19:00:54 | Mecworks | I think they do. |
| 19:01:04 | CosmicPenguin | bbeattie: it does, but we have add on schematics for full sound |
| 19:01:18 | Mecworks | That's how timr had his wireless working with it. |
| 19:01:51 | CosmicPenguin | the tuxscreen has 2 3.3 V pcmcia slots, but there is a hack to make one of them 5 v |
| 19:02:13 | bbeattie | CosmicPenguin: Heh, I was (for a while) deciding on a car to buy based on how much space I would have to install a computer in it, tux-screen or pc104. I decided to just use my mp3/rio volt, and get a pda for gps. :-/ |
| 19:02:30 | CosmicPenguin | A few people have stated their intention to mount their tuxscreen in their car, but so far I haven't actually heard of anyone being successful about it |
| 19:02:39 | bbeattie | how many tux-screens does tim lave left? I thought he only had 100 or so 8 months ago. |
| 19:02:50 | CosmicPenguin | bbeattie: thats a better idea, really... |
| 19:03:03 | bbeattie | CosmicPenguin: one other drawback of the tuxscreen in the car is it's not a touch-screen. |
| 19:03:27 | CosmicPenguin | bbeattie: the tuxscreen has a touch screen.... |
| 19:03:33 | bbeattie | CosmicPenguin: It does? |
| 19:03:36 | bbeattie | hmm, |
| 19:04:26 | bbeattie | CosmicPenguin: are tuxscreens still $99? |
| 19:06:59 | CosmicPenguin | bbeattie: Tim finally sold all of his tuxscreens, so now the only ones that are available are ones that people are re-selling |
| 19:07:17 | CosmicPenguin | so you might find a motivated seller and get a deal, but the few that I've seen advertised lately have been for $99 |
| 19:08:27 | bbeattie | are they 200mhz strong-arm? or sh2's? |
| 19:13:50 | levi | They're strongarm |
| 19:14:14 | levi | Is there any way to get good quality sound out of them? |
| 19:14:32 | levi | As in, out of them and into a stereo system. |
| 19:19:02 | CosmicPenguin | there is a mod board that a couple of guys made that should have full stereo sound |
| 19:19:35 | CosmicPenguin | the main analog chip is the UCB1200 - a commonly used component in lots of embedded devices |
| 19:20:10 | CosmicPenguin | it has pretty good sound support, but the Tuxscreen never had the appropriate traces to the speaker |
| 19:20:44 | CosmicPenguin | so the mod board pretty much just handles all of that |
| 19:21:03 | levi | Is that the ShanIP hack? |
| 19:21:35 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 19:22:07 | levi | How difficult is it to get that and hook it up? And does it just go to the internal speaker, or can you hook a stereo jack up to it? |
| 19:22:42 | levi | Oh, I see it does have an audio jack. |
| 19:22:45 | levi | That would be sweet. |
| 19:26:03 | levi | Those pictures of it on the wiki look like a mess... |
| 19:26:14 | CosmicPenguin | levi: I haven't built it, becuase my hardware skills are almost non existant, but those who have it say that it works pretty well |
| 19:26:54 | levi | What's 'pretty well'? |
| 19:27:47 | CosmicPenguin | no complaints? |
| 19:29:24 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 19:29:31 | levi | I may have to attempt that. |
| 19:29:52 | levi | Though it would suck to destroy my tuxscreen now that they're all gone. |
| 19:33:29 | CosmicPenguin | levi: I dropped a blob of solder on one of my flash chips while I was installing my jtag cable |
| 19:33:39 | levi | Ooops... |
| 19:33:43 | CosmicPenguin | I managed to get it all off, but it freaked me out for a while |
| 19:34:16 | CosmicPenguin | but the point of the story is that those tuxscreens are pretty resilient - people have done all manner of hacking on them, and they seem to take it pretty well |
| 19:34:30 | Mecworks | bbeattie: http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?DPNo=860913&AID=54502&PID=227502 |
| 19:34:58 | Mecworks | You were looking for a USB <-> serial connector. |
| 19:35:11 | Mecworks | Still it might not work with the Zarus. |
| 19:40:48 | levi | I need to get me one of those so I can use my cell phone as a modem for my laptop. |
| 19:44:32 | Mecworks | cool. I need a serial conetor for my Startac so I can update it's phone list via computer or my palm rather than entering it all my hand. |
| 19:44:43 | Mecworks | Hye Tim. |
| 19:44:50 | Mecworks | Howzit? |
| 19:45:27 | levi | I've got a TimePort, which came with a serial connector. |
| 19:46:19 | Mecworks | for a startac? |
| 19:53:04 | levi | The timeport looks a lot like the startac, but I don't know if the connector is the same. |
| 19:53:19 | Mecworks | hm |
| 20:03:53 | bbeattie | http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/musickeg.html |
| 20:04:24 | bbeattie | Mecworks: the zaurus has a proprietary usb->serial cable, it's $40.00 and has stuff to handle buffers so you don't zap the zaurus. |
| 20:04:57 | bbeattie | Mecworks: that link is for an ogg vorbis car stereo, that does mp3, wma, etc. |
| 20:06:06 | bbeattie | Mecworks: opps, I read some more, " |
| 20:06:06 | bbeattie | To be clear, the Kenwood Music Keg itself does not play Ogg files. Only the included PC software. There are no free fixed-point decoding libraries for Ogg that would allow ARM based platform..." Well, it doesn't play ogg, but the reason why no longer is true. |
| 20:08:10 | Jayce^ | has heard rumors that his hipzip player can play ogg with a firmare upgrade |
| 20:08:38 | levi | Yeah, I heard the iomega player can play oggs after a firmware update too. |
| 20:08:46 | Jayce^ | gotta find that one.. |
| 20:12:04 | bbeattie | wonders how hard it would be to create a rom for the rio volt to use ogg, any ideas? I've never done anything with a rom, besides a custom rom floppy to boot linux. :-) |
| 20:20:17 | fozz | I've seen a lot of players which say they support "future formats." |
| 20:21:20 | BZFlag | bbeattie: looks like it would be very tough. I don't see much in the way of ROM hacks for the rio. |
| 20:23:14 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I've looked around quite a bit too, the rom is flashable, and there are several versions, but noone that I can see has created any rom besides sonic blue, but is that to say it's not possible? or realstic? |
| 20:33:29 | BZFlag | anything is possible, it's a question of how hard. |
| 20:33:47 | BZFlag | what does it run? it's not a linux based device is it? |
| 20:38:09 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I don't have any idea what system is runs on, |
| 20:38:34 | BZFlag | tough then. possible, but very tough to reverse engineer. |
| 20:38:39 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I searched a while back but I couldn't come up with any results to help determine if it's an rtos, linux, or whatnot. |
| 20:39:11 | BZFlag | I've got an apex dvd player though, the hacks for that are amazing. nobody has started adding new features live divx/ogg etc though. |
| 20:39:59 | bbeattie | BZFlag: That's an idea. :-) |
| 20:43:00 | Jayce^ | BZFlag: I got one of those, didn't realize there were any hacks.. hrmmm.. |
| 20:43:10 | Jayce^ | I just love that they play the VBR VCD's.. |
| 20:55:01 | Mecworks | CompUSA has the APEX 1200 (I think) for 47.00 after MIR last week. |
| 20:55:13 | Mecworks | COuld have been the 15.00 |
| 20:55:25 | Mecworks | oops... the 1500... |
| 21:02:09 | bbeattie | Mecworks: have you checked into gpsdrive yet? |
| 21:05:31 | BZFlag | Jayce^: http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ |
| 21:36:13 | BZFlag | I have a dual matrix setup. switch between regions 0 and 1 |
| 21:36:49 | Jayce^ | can't do much with mine yet (not known) |
| 21:48:24 | Mecworks | bbeattie: just looked at the website. Not actualy compiled it yet. |
| 22:36:49 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |