| 00:00:49 | scott | I am |
| 00:02:21 | bbeattie | scott: I've heard ogg uses a number between 1 and 10 for encoding, not bitrates? |
| 00:04:00 | scott | well, tehy translate to bitrates |
| 00:04:08 | scott | I don't remember the exact numbers, think 10 is 512 |
| 00:04:20 | scott | 5 is 160 or maybe 192 |
| 00:04:34 | bbeattie | what is recommended? |
| 00:04:37 | scott | 5 |
| 00:04:39 | scott | I use 6 |
| 00:04:53 | bbeattie | scott: what encoder do you use? and is there? |
| 00:05:13 | scott | not sure, I think it's just called ogg vorbis or something |
| 00:05:38 | bbeattie | scott: is it gui? and does ripping/encoding? |
| 00:06:23 | scott | well, I use a gui, but the actual encoder is the one by ogg vorbis I think |
| 00:06:39 | scott | the gui I use is the #1 most popular project on sourceforge, I forget the name |
| 00:06:59 | scott | CDex |
| 00:11:37 | bbeattie | is cdex just a player? or encoder? |
| 00:12:15 | scott | it's a ripper |
| 00:12:21 | scott | that comes with encoder and stuff |
| 00:12:41 | scott | it's Windows only, so not what you're looking for probably |
| 00:12:46 | scott | for linux I really like abcde |
| 00:13:04 | scott | you just type abcde and it outputs all your oggs for the current cd, pretty darn simple |
| 00:13:46 | bbeattie | scott: great, thanks |
| 00:38:53 | brailsmt | i think RMS is a zealot and a little off his rocker (all things in moderation), but from where else is MS gonna get competition? |
| 00:45:32 | scott | well, first I should say I don't care about giving MS competition. second, RMS isn't even on the list of possible competition to MS |
| 00:46:09 | scott | people on the list, although pretty weak, would be Apple, Sun, Sony, Palm, and QNX |
| 00:46:18 | scott | among others probably |
| 01:32:07 | brailsmt | scott: i meant the right now free software is MS's biggest/best competition, and because there is no corporation behind free software and OSS in general, MS has no effective way to suppress it... they have to resort to FUD which is an iffy proposition |
| 01:33:04 | brailsmt | i didn't mean the RMS himself was MS competition, rather the OSS movement in general is, of which RMS is a central figure, like it or not |
| 01:34:32 | scott | ok, well I think it's kind of iffy lumping all free and open software together, but as for linux in particular, I think it's competitive value is grossly overrated |
| 01:34:58 | scott | most free and open software is hardly competitive against MS |
| 01:35:08 | scott | phone.. |
| 01:39:31 | brailsmt | how do you figure? I disagree that linux is a viable competitor against MS, because it does not have traditional corporate backing, it is done by volunteers on free time, and so there are no lack of resources that can stop its development... so MS's traditional anti-competitive playbook is largely, if not completely, irrelevant... |
| 01:39:59 | brailsmt | err... I disagree the linux is _not_ a viable... |
| 01:41:12 | brailsmt | even if linux the OS is in the end not succesful, the idea of free software is a real hard thing for companies to compete against... |
| 01:47:41 | scott | I think linux is not a viable competitor against MS because it does not have traditional corporate backing, it is done by volunteers on free time, so there is a lack of resources for it's development :) |
| 01:48:53 | brailsmt | so what I think is one of its strengths, you deem one of its weaknesses? or am I misunderstanding you, and you mean that ppl won't feel comfortable using something without the corporate backing? |
| 01:49:01 | scott | anyway, clearly linux is competitive in the server market |
| 01:49:07 | scott | but MS has never been a monopoly there |
| 01:49:31 | scott | the places MS is a monopoly, such as desktop or pocket PCs, linux hardly competes |
| 01:50:16 | BZFlag | scott: what leads you to say that Linux has no corporate backing? |
| 01:50:19 | brailsmt | a lot of times that is due to a lack of 'marketing' or us not getting the word out... |
| 01:50:23 | scott | well, the corporate backing issue is hard, since there are companies like IBM, redhat, etc who pay people to develop linux, which kind of gets rid of the volunteer idea |
| 01:50:25 | brailsmt | BZFlag: I said it |
| 01:50:35 | BZFlag | There are plenty of companies that doo full time 7x24 Linux support services. |
| 01:50:37 | scott | BZFlag, I only said it because he did :) |
| 01:50:42 | brailsmt | BZFlag: but I said it does not have traditional corporate backing |
| 01:51:03 | BZFlag | ok, if 7x24 support by IBM is not "traditional corporate backing", then what is? |
| 01:51:11 | scott | brailsmt, nonetheless it's not competitive in MS' monopolies |
| 01:51:19 | brailsmt | it was not created by a corporation, its existence does not rely on the backing of a company, is what I mean |
| 01:51:22 | scott | a company who owns the product and sells it |
| 01:51:51 | brailsmt | support is only part of the equation |
| 01:52:11 | BZFlag | scott: so in you mind "traditional corporate backing" equates to monolistic code ownership regardless of whether it is supported or not? |
| 01:52:32 | brailsmt | in my mind it is |
| 01:52:36 | scott | when I think of traditional corporate backing I think of the software being owned by a company |
| 01:52:40 | scott | windows is owned by MS |
| 01:52:48 | BZFlag | you have an odd view of reality. |
| 01:52:49 | scott | support isn't really an issue when I think of it |
| 01:53:12 | bbeattie | BZFlag: Hey, I've been looking for you, a question on zaurus stuff, (2 Q's) |
| 01:53:20 | BZFlag | most companies running Windows do NOT get support from Microsoft. They pay for consulting and support services from some other company. |
| 01:53:35 | brailsmt | BZFlag: it is the view that I/we have grown up with... traditionally software is created/owned by a company, am I wrong in that assessment? |
| 01:53:36 | scott | heh, I don't know how you got on support :) |
| 01:53:55 | BZFlag | what is the perceived value in having some company that does not support you own the software you use? |
| 01:54:31 | brailsmt | it was most ppl perceive as normal, anything else is not orthodox... |
| 01:54:38 | brailsmt | s/was/is |
| 01:54:46 | brailsmt | err... |
| 01:54:48 | scott | when they own it they have a higher stake in further developing it, marketting it, paying people to document it and testing it, to name a few things off the top of my head |
| 01:54:56 | BZFlag | brailsmt: you are correct is stating that history has been that way. I'm merely asking what value or perceived value that has to you or anyone else. |
| 01:55:25 | brailsmt | it has no value to me, but I am not average Joe User |
| 01:55:40 | BZFlag | scott: I could list hundreds of dead software products that were EOLed by the company that owned them leaving the customer base with no support option. |
| 01:55:48 | BZFlag | that is the value you are looking for? |
| 01:56:22 | brailsmt | i was stating that the fact that linux/OSS is *not* traditional in the sense that I stated is one of its greatest assests |
| 01:56:24 | BZFlag | so Joe User likes to use software that could have support and upgrades terminated at any moment? |
| 01:56:27 | scott | trying to think of a good analogy for how silly that argument is |
| 01:57:06 | brailsmt | BZFlag: i agree completely with you |
| 01:57:15 | BZFlag | cheers |
| 01:57:21 | brailsmt | i always have :) |
| 01:57:27 | brailsmt | well |
| 01:57:34 | brailsmt | since I was converted to OSS |
| 01:57:36 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:58:02 | bbeattie | BZFlag: do you have a few minutes for some zaurus questions? |
| 01:58:06 | scott | that 100 million companies have failed in the past does not make it a bad thing that there is a company who is paying hundreds of people fulltime to improve my OS, who is making sure things get done on deadlines, who is marketting it to application programmers and OEMs, etc |
| 01:58:24 | scott | it doesn't negate the value of the company that is happening right now |
| 01:58:25 | BZFlag | the point is only that a company that owns a product is much more likely to spend dollars on marketing. That is the actual influence on perceived value. |
| 01:58:42 | BZFlag | it is not really worth anything to a customer. |
| 01:58:49 | brailsmt | you forget that that company is also paying 100s or 1000s of ppl to drive their competition into the ground |
| 01:59:02 | scott | sure it is |
| 01:59:14 | brailsmt | and doing so illegaly |
| 01:59:15 | scott | if I buy BeOS I want lots of other people to run BeOS so I can have applications for it |
| 01:59:19 | scott | I want applications to be written |
| 01:59:20 | BZFlag | it will take time for the user base to realise that marketing dollars do not benefit them. when that realization happens, the market will change drastically. |
| 01:59:27 | scott | I want a company who is going to push beos |
| 01:59:59 | BZFlag | if you buy a non-open product, then marketing is the only method to get an installed base. |
| 02:00:14 | bbeattie | scott: Find a company who has a niche that beos is good for, and go work for them? |
| 02:00:27 | BZFlag | if you buy support for free software, the install base grows as long as the software fits the need, |
| 02:00:33 | brailsmt | wonders when ppl abondoned the idea that better products attracted more business, not better marketing |
| 02:01:26 | scott | brailsmt, when linux guys wanted an explanation for why their knock-off apps weren't succeeding |
| 02:01:27 | BZFlag | in the current market better products != more business. |
| 02:01:34 | bbeattie | brailsmt: I support what's best, not what's most popular, or pushed most. The problem is the human brain that needs excitement and advertising/marketing gives that, and that why people do things they do. |
| 02:01:55 | BZFlag | better marketing == more business provided that the product does not suck too much. |
| 02:02:37 | scott | which means more revenue for the company |
| 02:02:43 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 02:02:43 | scott | and they can put it into the product |
| 02:02:52 | BZFlag | but the requrements are going up. |
| 02:02:55 | brailsmt | long ago ppl stopped buying the best applications, they instead were suckered into buying whatever a certain company vomitted onto the market, they have done this until the point that there are very few options left to the consumer |
| 02:03:00 | scott | which benefits the consumer |
| 02:03:40 | BZFlag | more and more large companies (and governments etc) are realizing that it is a wise investment to use products that are open as it does not force them into a single vendor solution. |
| 02:04:04 | brailsmt | BZFlag: exactly |
| 02:04:11 | scott | well, we really don't have any evidence of how much that is actually happening |
| 02:04:26 | brailsmt | scott: how has lack of options *ever* benefitted a consumer? |
| 02:04:40 | BZFlag | this changes the requirements for a successful product, and hence redefines the responsibilities of the company they select as a vendor. |
| 02:04:47 | brailsmt | hang on scott, I have a link for you... |
| 02:04:49 | scott | brailsmt, where did I say that? |
| 02:05:01 | brailsmt | <brailsmt> long ago ppl stopped buying the best applications, they instead were suckered into buying whatever a certain company vomitted onto the market, they have done this until the point that there are very few options left to the consumer |
| 02:05:01 | brailsmt | <scott> which benefits the consumer |
| 02:05:13 | brailsmt | did i take that out of context? |
| 02:05:15 | scott | I meant more revenue to a company and hence more product development benefits the consumer |
| 02:05:22 | BZFlag | scott: there are lots of small examples of organisations that are starting to "get it". |
| 02:05:22 | brailsmt | or where you responding to something else |
| 02:05:22 | scott | I was followign up on my two previous lines of text |
| 02:05:35 | scott | bzflag, yes, because /. raves about them |
| 02:05:40 | scott | but do we know how many are getting out? |
| 02:05:50 | scott | or how many that didn't have software are going w/ MS? |
| 02:06:03 | scott | we don't have any clue what the overall trend looks like |
| 02:06:05 | BZFlag | more revenue to a company != more product development. |
| 02:06:29 | BZFlag | more revenue to a company is more likely to equal more marketing. |
| 02:06:32 | scott | I am not arguing that they're proportional |
| 02:06:50 | scott | but increased revenue does increase product development in most circumstances |
| 02:07:03 | brailsmt | scott: read 12.254.133.36/MS_PERU.txt |
| 02:07:12 | scott | I've read about peru adopting OSS |
| 02:07:18 | scott | and venezuela |
| 02:07:25 | BZFlag | scott: see previous reference to EOLed products. |
| 02:07:32 | scott | btw, peru is the poorest country in SA iirc |
| 02:07:44 | brailsmt | i have heard of similar movements within the US gov't, military especially |
| 02:07:46 | scott | second poorest maybe |
| 02:07:59 | brailsmt | and venezuela is the richest |
| 02:08:26 | scott | yeah, but there's no OSS to run their oil rigs :) |
| 02:08:48 | BZFlag | what makes you think Linux can't run oil rigs? ;-) |
| 02:09:05 | brailsmt | gimme the specs :) |
| 02:09:24 | scott | well there's more to running an oil rig than an OS |
| 02:09:29 | brailsmt | of course |
| 02:09:38 | scott | the actual software that most oil rigs run is not Open |
| 02:09:56 | BZFlag | http://news.com.com/2110-1001-275407.html?legacy=cnet |
| 02:10:28 | brailsmt | great link! |
| 02:11:24 | scott | and? |
| 02:11:33 | brailsmt | <scott> yeah, but there's no OSS to run their oil rigs :) |
| 02:11:35 | brailsmt | but there is |
| 02:11:50 | scott | no there isn't :) |
| 02:12:19 | scott | I'm afraid you must have misread the article |
| 02:13:30 | brailsmt | I understand that not all software is *free*, but the point was that we were discussing linux and venezuela, you said that there is no OSS to run oil rigs, you are right, *but* there is software that runs oil rigs that does not run on windows |
| 02:14:13 | brailsmt | so therefore there is software that runs on an open OS that does run an oil rig |
| 02:14:44 | scott | I didn't say there wasn't software that runs on an open OS :) |
| 02:14:52 | scott | I said that there is no OSS to run their oil rigs |
| 02:15:12 | brailsmt | ok, whatever... i'm done splitting hairs with you... |
| 02:15:30 | scott | well, you must understand that it's not linux that's going to be running the oil rig |
| 02:15:33 | scott | it's the application on top of it |
| 02:15:45 | scott | and there are no open source solutions there |
| 02:16:57 | scott | anyway, time will tell |
| 02:17:19 | scott | until then we can all have fun recompiling the latest kernel |
| 02:18:21 | scott | the article even makes clear that it's only monitoring software that will be running on top of linux--not the control software |
| 02:19:13 | scott | goes to play some Battlefield 1942 to remind himself of why he likes software with "traditional corporate backing" |
| 02:23:30 | BZFlag | thinks he should try BZFlag instead. ;-) |
| 02:25:20 | bbeattie | BZFlag: how often do you play bzflag? |
| 02:28:16 | scott | he doesn't "play", it's testing :) |
| 02:30:43 | bbeattie | resists saying "same difference" incase managers are listing to irc. |
| 02:33:02 | brailsmt | points out that bbeattie just defeated the purpose of resisting... |
| 02:33:15 | BZFlag | heh |
| 02:37:01 | brailsmt | has a hard time getting over how dumb irc.freenode.net sounds... |
| 02:38:24 | scott | yeah, way lame |
| 02:38:40 | scott | I still type irc.openprojects.net |
| 02:39:18 | bbeattie | scott: abcde doesn't set a quality for encoding, and it uses oggenc, which default quality is 3, where did you set the quality for abcde? |
| 02:39:38 | scott | bbeattie, is it in the config file? |
| 02:39:49 | scott | attack of the clones! |
| 02:40:18 | scott | builds a wall of styrophom cups around levi |
| 02:40:36 | brailsmt | that apprently pissed him off |
| 02:40:40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:41:16 | scott | btw, is your name short for brail smut ? |
| 02:41:55 | bbeattie | scott: any opinion of oggenc vs vorbize? |
| 02:42:22 | scott | s/brail/braille |
| 02:42:32 | scott | no opinion :) |
| 02:42:45 | scott | btw, there are probably better rippers than abcde |
| 02:42:56 | scott | I used it a long time ago |
| 02:43:10 | bbeattie | Right, but abcde is a simple script, which is all I need. |
| 02:43:21 | scott | in beos you can encode right off the cd w/o having to rip, not sure if you can do that in linux |
| 02:43:23 | brailsmt | bbeattie: uhmm... no, mt are my first and middle initials, and brails is the first 6 letters of my last name... |
| 02:43:30 | bbeattie | did you only change the #OGGENCOPTS= line to OGGENCOPTS=6 ? |
| 02:43:37 | brailsmt | bbeattie: i use oggenc... |
| 02:43:45 | brailsmt | i've never heard of vorbize |
| 02:43:56 | scott | bbeattie, I don't remember |
| 02:44:02 | scott | the author of abcde hangs out on this network |
| 02:44:09 | bbeattie | brailsmt: abcde uses oggenc |
| 02:44:11 | brailsmt | and I use grip |
| 02:44:13 | scott | I don't remember his nick though |
| 02:44:26 | brailsmt | though it is crashing lately... |
| 02:44:43 | brailsmt | i guess it doesn't want to rip and encode eminem... :) |
| 02:44:55 | bbeattie | abcde uses CDDB, cdparanoia, and oggenc together, simple shell script to tie it all together. |
| 02:45:18 | scott | and you can replace all the components |
| 02:45:20 | brailsmt | grip uses cdparanoia and whatever encoder you want |
| 02:45:30 | bbeattie | scott: mine dcc'ing me a cp of your .acbde.conf? just to do a diff? |
| 02:45:33 | brailsmt | you can use whatever ripper you want too |
| 02:45:45 | scott | bbeattie, I don't run linux any more |
| 02:45:54 | bbeattie | right, by default, that's what it chose for me, alright, no prob. |
| 02:45:56 | scott | it was like at least a year ago when I used abcde |
| 02:46:06 | scott | maybe 2 |
| 02:47:52 | scott | you could just run it w/ that oggencopts line |
| 02:47:55 | scott | see if it works |
| 02:48:12 | brailsmt | oggenc defaults are good |
| 02:48:32 | scott | yeah but apparently abcde defaults to making oggenc run at quality 3 |
| 02:48:58 | brailsmt | the defaults create oggs that sound as good as mp3s at 144... |
| 02:49:48 | brailsmt | quality = 3 is the default of oggenc |
| 02:49:58 | brailsmt | and it sounds good... |
| 02:50:30 | brailsmt | at least as good as the defaults for lame |
| 02:50:51 | brailsmt | and the resulting ogg is smaller than the resultant mp3 from lame |
| 02:51:22 | scott | and as effective as DRM! |
| 02:51:51 | brailsmt | and I am audiophile, these things are important for me... I couldn't hear the difference between oggs of the same song encoded with quality = 9 and quality = 3 |
| 02:52:24 | brailsmt | you will lose more quality through your speakers than you will with the default quality of 3 |
| 02:53:34 | brailsmt | or more correctly stated, your PC speakers are not likely to be good enough to make the two different oggs sound any different |
| 02:53:47 | brailsmt | i have good pc speakers and I couldn't tell |
| 02:53:55 | scott | I don't have speakers, my mp3s a transmitted 802.11 to a vibrator in my tooth |
| 02:53:58 | brailsmt | anyway... |
| 02:54:11 | brailsmt | are you kidding? |
| 02:54:19 | scott | umm, no. |
| 02:54:37 | scott | I'm lying though |
| 02:57:43 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:01:07 | brailsmt | http://strike.homelinux.org/~ddipaolo/misc/images/arguing.jpg |
| 03:01:12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:01:35 | scott | heh |
| 03:02:17 | scott | shows his first place medal to his mom, makes a photocopy for the refrigerator and puts the original on his website |
| 03:03:39 | scott | do people with bigger bellies get bigger butterflies? |
| 03:03:54 | scott | or just more? |
| 03:12:52 | bbeattie | hrm, I can't tell much of a diff between 3 and 6, but it's almost twice the size, |
| 13:18:37 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 15:02:39) |
| 14:06:01 | han_solo | "I have found that crusading FSF ideologies requires only 15 minutes or |
| 14:06:01 | han_solo | so a day. It's easy to slip into the lunch break." |
| 14:08:16 | brailsmt | i don't get that little statement... |
| 14:39:27 | han_solo | from uug |
| 14:39:40 | han_solo | in response to "Don't you guys have to study?" |
| 15:25:53 | han_solo | ponders locale stuff |
| 15:28:43 | scott | so, for the screenshots on the uug page, what are the requirements? |
| 15:32:48 | han_solo | I think it needs to be some sort of image |
| 15:32:57 | han_solo | and you have to have a uug website acct |
| 15:33:00 | han_solo | I think that's it |
| 15:34:12 | scott | like, how much of the screenshot needs to be unix? http://jaderholm.com/images/screenshots/windows/2002-09-02.jpg has some unix (albeit through a putty window) |
| 15:36:31 | han_solo | :) |
| 15:36:46 | han_solo | well they all get 'approved' before posting so it wouldn't hurt to try |
| 15:37:00 | han_solo | although I'm sure the approval process is just so noone posts pr0n or something |
| 15:37:36 | scott | I forgot my darn password, and didn't want ot bother requesting a new one if it would likely not get approved, but I guessI can try |
| 15:38:18 | han_solo | i don't think it will be rejected |
| 15:38:44 | scott | it's a screenshot of the best way to use unix :) |
| 15:40:50 | han_solo | heh. if you say so :) |
| 15:51:27 | scott | so, I came up with a great idea today, I'm just not sure how to use it yet |
| 15:52:43 | scott | I can setup an email account such as snailmail@jaderholm.com and then write a script that checks that for emails, and posts those emails to dearelder.com with my address |
| 15:53:40 | scott | that way people can just email me and they'll get printed off and sent to me, for free, and w/o needing to register w/ dearelder or anything |
| 15:53:55 | han_solo | are you going on a mission soon? |
| 15:54:03 | han_solo | thinks about doing that for his brothers in the field |
| 15:54:04 | scott | I can also do other cooler things, but I'm not sure yet how much I want to do because it will distract from the mission |
| 15:54:13 | scott | but I can fairly easily have slashdot mailed to me every day :) |
| 15:54:19 | han_solo | lol |
| 15:54:20 | scott | yeah, 3 weeks |
| 15:54:52 | scott | I guess it makes sense only to mail slashdot out once a week since that's how often the pouch goes down, but still.. :) |
| 15:54:56 | han_solo | where to? |
| 15:55:02 | scott | Mexico City East |
| 15:55:15 | han_solo | cool. congrats. |
| 15:55:18 | scott | thanks |
| 15:55:42 | han_solo | if i were you - do /. or some sort of technical news site once a week or once a month. you can read it on pday |
| 15:56:05 | han_solo | otherwise you'll completely lose touch of where computers are going |
| 15:56:17 | scott | cool, hadn't even thought about pday |
| 15:56:38 | han_solo | well-intentioned friends and family will always forget the most obvious things, because they seem obvious and inconsequential - but really they make a big difference. |
| 15:57:12 | han_solo | does dearelder.com cost anything? |
| 15:57:24 | scott | depends on which mission you're going to :) |
| 15:57:33 | han_solo | well, my brother is in fresno |
| 15:57:38 | han_solo | my other will be in taiwan |
| 15:57:54 | scott | it's actually really cool, I can set certain websites I want to keep track of and I can have updates be sent to me snailmail :) |
| 15:57:58 | scott | like openbeos.org |
| 15:58:25 | scott | my sister is in chicago and it costs, so I don't know |
| 15:58:38 | scott | think it has to do with the pouch, not sure |
| 15:59:01 | scott | I can even send irc logs :) |
| 15:59:39 | han_solo | what is the magic word in Adventure? (or was it zork?) |
| 15:59:43 | han_solo | zzyzx? |
| 15:59:53 | scott | I have no clue |
| 16:02:49 | scott | don't tell the uug about this or too many people might start doing it and dearelder will disallow it |
| 16:02:58 | scott | I'm going to make a list of headers |
| 16:03:12 | scott | like "hi scott, I thought you'd be interested in this" or "hey scott check this out" |
| 16:03:16 | scott | so they don't think it's automated :) |
| 16:12:23 | scott | I wonder if they have a character limit on the post |
| 16:13:36 | han_solo | nope, xyzzy is the magic word in ADVENT |
| 16:18:22 | han_solo | have you heard this puzzle? "If you have a balance scale, what is the minimum number of weights required to weigh objects of any number of whole pounds from one to forty?" |
| 16:25:17 | scott | nope :) |
| 16:30:30 | fozz | han_solo: isn't the same as the minimum number of coins to do any amount between 1 and 40 cents? |
| 16:30:36 | fozz | WEll... similar, I guess. |
| 16:30:42 | fozz | There's no 2c coin. :) |
| 16:31:26 | han_solo | it's a hw question - but the idea is to break out of the box, not necessarily get the right answer. I think the key is in putting weights on both sides |
| 16:31:42 | han_solo | a quick google search says four, but I didn't look at which four because I want to figure it out |
| 16:32:00 | fozz | huh |
| 16:32:43 | han_solo | but I must not have broken out of the box enough - I can't think of how to figure it out. (aside from writing a brute-force program to test all possibilities. :) |
| 16:45:10 | sjansen | scott: Hate to rain on your parade but you probably shouldn't read Slashdot on the mission. The exact interpretation of the little white bible is up to your mission pres. but I wouldn't do it even if he allows it. |
| 16:45:29 | sjansen | You'll miss alot anyway, no point trying to keep up when you can't actively use a computer. |
| 16:46:01 | sjansen | Better not to get distracted -- you'll discover pday is too short to do much of anything. Especially if you're washing your clothes by hand. |
| 16:46:22 | sjansen | No car, no washing machine, not even a bike -- now that's a reall mission! |
| 16:46:46 | sjansen | Heck, I didn't even have a phone. |
| 16:47:19 | sjansen | And we had to tract uphill all day because president wouldn't let us walk downhill. |
| 16:47:45 | han_solo | and it was the only place with snow in Brazil. :) |
| 16:48:59 | sjansen | Only in the mornings. Every afternoon was 120+ F. |
| 16:50:41 | han_solo | I think i'll figure out an algorithm to use on that puzzle (in the general case) and code it up, just to keep fresh. |
| 17:09:20 | Jayce^ | http://www.manning.com/jenness/index.html |
| 17:09:46 | Jayce^ | just got this one.. you might like it han_solo.. weren't you talking about that kinda stuff the other day? |
| 17:10:39 | han_solo | yes, something like it - i'll be using java from c |
| 17:21:30 | scott | darn you hans, I'm supposed to be working not trying to solve your dumb riddle :) |
| 17:22:45 | han_solo | hehe. well, I'm still going to write this program if it kills me (didn't realize how much of 312 I'd forgotten) but the answer is here: http://mathforum.org/elempow/solutions/solution.ehtml?puzzle=38 (Warning! The answer is provided there by a 9 year old!) |
| 19:30:25 | brailsmt | just bought a laptop :) |
| 20:18:58 | han_solo | where, brailsmt? |
| 20:19:53 | han_solo | :) |
| 20:20:04 | han_solo | has he been pirating nicknames? |
| 20:26:32 | Jayce^ | interesting |
| 22:45:39 | brailsmt | what does it take to connect two computers to one internet connection at the same time? I want to do it with the least expense possible |
| 22:47:51 | Jayce^ | a second nick in one and you can do it easy |
| 22:48:50 | brailsmt | ok, then what is a cheap linux compat nic then? |
| 22:49:22 | Jayce^ | most any really work.. |
| 22:49:46 | brailsmt | i think I'll be making a trip to compusa tonight... |
