| 15:00:57 | unm_fan | too bad we don't play unm tonight |
| 15:06:55 | han_solo | welcome |
| 15:07:20 | sjansen | why thank you |
| 15:12:16 | Jayce^ | hey man.. |
| 15:12:34 | Jayce^ | got another sucker in on #utah |
| 15:17:45 | sjansen | puts on big gold chains and shaves a mohawk into his hair |
| 15:17:53 | sjansen | Who you calling a sucker, sucker? |
| 15:18:20 | Jayce^ | pity the foo! |
| 15:18:37 | Jayce^ | pity the $foo |
| 15:18:53 | han_solo | mr T, why is it that you're doing commercials for podunk utah companies? |
| 15:19:09 | han_solo | pity(foo); |
| 15:19:42 | sjansen | (pity 'foo) |
| 15:19:50 | sjansen | has been learning lisp |
| 15:20:08 | han_solo | fun |
| 15:20:14 | han_solo | have you had 330? |
| 15:20:48 | sjansen | Not yet. Kept reading about it and finally decided I should learn something about this language that some people think is so great. |
| 15:20:55 | Jayce^ | pity->foo |
| 15:20:59 | sjansen | It's funky, I'll give it that. |
| 15:21:28 | han_solo | no doubt. at least you'll have a head start on 330 |
| 15:21:43 | han_solo | it's cool though - there's neat concepts that are real sweet |
| 15:21:46 | Jayce^ | reminds me of a time in our old channel (last year we had a local geek one).. we spent the day translating music lyrics into our favorite languages |
| 15:21:46 | han_solo | like closures, etc. |
| 15:22:44 | sjansen | I was learning python for awhile, until I lost interest after discovering it was impossible to do somethings that are very easy in perl. |
| 15:23:10 | Jayce^ | hehe.. you got farther than I did :D |
| 15:23:19 | sjansen | Python and lisp seem to have a fair amount in common. One writer described python as slowly implementing lisp without the parentheses. |
| 15:23:34 | Jayce^ | I lost interest in it shortly after the "there's one good way to do things.. that's it" concept got explained.. |
| 15:23:46 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 15:24:24 | han_solo | 'python' never sounded like an intelligent name for a language in the first place, and when I heard about mandatory whitespace I said no way |
| 15:24:35 | sjansen | Sorry, Jayce^, having had to maintain perl code I'm not sold on "There are a million and one ways to do it and 85% could be used successfully for cryptographically disgusing your program." |
| 15:25:01 | sjansen | Python is a cool name: honors Monty Python. |
| 15:25:18 | sjansen | Mandatory whitespace, while it annoyed me at first, does make code universally readable. |
| 15:25:19 | Jayce^ | sjansen: for the monty python part.. use Parrot :D |
| 15:25:38 | han_solo | true, but I never think of monty python, I think of some silly snake game on my atari 800 back in the day. ascii graphics and all taht |
| 15:25:47 | Jayce^ | sjansen: that's why I just prefer working with a group that will enforce preferred styles |
| 15:46:38 | levi | is firmly in the 'perl is very useful but also slightly disgusting' camp. |
| 15:48:16 | han_solo | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:49:25 | levi | I also happen to like Python and Lisp. I think this puts me in a small minority here. |
| 15:49:45 | han_solo | likes lisp, and is bigoted against python but has never used it |
| 15:50:28 | Jayce | dislikes python.. but would take it above a couple other languages.. barely.. |
| 15:50:42 | levi | is bigoted against anti-python bigots. ;) |
| 15:50:47 | Jayce | perl.. then the C/C++ .. |
| 15:51:11 | Jayce | is bigoted against anti-anti-pyth... oh forget it |
| 15:51:25 | Jayce | anti-python-perlites? |
| 15:51:53 | byu_fan | i would python before perl |
| 15:52:06 | levi | I don't even consider C/C++ and perl/python for the same sorts of things. |
| 15:52:07 | byu_fan | i would use python... that is... |
| 15:52:10 | sjansen | agrees that perl is is disgusting but useful |
| 15:52:27 | byu_fan | ruby is delightful and useful |
| 15:52:46 | sjansen | wonders who byu_fan is |
| 15:52:47 | byu_fan | and you don't have to worry about whitespace... |
| 15:52:49 | levi | byu_fan: If I didn't already know who you were, that would have given it away. ;) |
| 15:52:55 | byu_fan | brailsmt normally |
| 15:53:01 | Jayce | that's what I figured... |
| 15:53:02 | byu_fan | :) |
| 15:53:04 | Jayce | who all is going tonight? |
| 15:53:12 | byu_fan | is |
| 15:53:16 | byu_fan | of course |
| 15:53:27 | Jayce | winds up I got a free ticket from our ward.. so I'll be there.. |
| 15:54:05 | levi | I don't even know what's going on tonight. |
| 15:54:19 | han_solo | levi - the first major traffic jam of the season :( |
| 15:54:29 | byu_fan | byu v. syracuse |
| 15:54:45 | byu_fan | i have end zone tickets :( |
| 15:55:00 | levi | Ugh, big sports games. I hate them. |
| 15:55:15 | byu_fan | I drive my car, park it way far away, then ride my bike the rest of the way... I beat traffic on the way out that way :) |
| 15:55:16 | levi | Games are for playing, not watching. |
| 15:55:27 | han_solo | high-fives levi |
| 15:55:35 | han_solo | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:55:42 | byu_fan | casts an odd glance |
| 15:56:12 | byu_fan | football games are for entertainment |
| 15:56:17 | byu_fan | and losing your voice :) |
| 15:56:40 | levi | . o O ( Let's sit on our butts and watch other people run around and beat on each other! Fun! ) |
| 15:56:52 | Jayce | I would rather play.. but it's fun to be there too.. |
| 15:56:55 | sjansen | programming is for entertainment and football is to get roommates out of the apartment for awhile |
| 15:56:58 | byu_fan | about the same price as a movie |
| 15:57:02 | byu_fan | and a lot more fun |
| 15:57:59 | byu_fan | anyway, do as you please, as for me... I have my season tickets to watch ppl run around and beat each other up :) |
| 15:58:01 | levi | I beg to differ. |
| 15:58:22 | byu_fan | and maybe we'll even see a ute cheerleader get it along the way :) |
| 15:58:46 | byu_fan | or watch the rotc go after someone... |
| 15:58:48 | byu_fan | :) |
| 15:59:05 | levi | You're utterly failing to entice me. ;) |
| 15:59:22 | byu_fan | i figure i won't change anyone's mind one way or the other... |
| 16:00:14 | byu_fan | although it was awesome to see that guy run out and tackle that ute (male) cheerleader after he taunted the student section... |
| 16:00:27 | byu_fan | at least, in my opinion |
| 16:00:41 | byu_fan | it was stupid of the guy to do, but it was great entertainment :) |
| 16:02:02 | levi | Again, I'm in the minority in that I don't like to watch people do stupid things. I don't like being around drunk people for similar reasons. |
| 16:02:57 | byu_fan | and then there was Air Force announcer that was talking all during the time when the AF Falcon was flying around the stadium... she said "Falcons are known to swoop down and kill prey such as rabbits, mice, and cougars..." |
| 16:02:59 | byu_fan | lol |
| 16:04:32 | byu_fan | it'd be funny if they timed the fly by and the falcon flying at just the wrong time, and the falcon got sucked up into the fighter's engine :) |
| 16:04:48 | byu_fan | of course, barring injury to the pilot or the plane |
| 16:05:06 | byu_fan | it'd be great irony |
| 16:05:30 | Jayce | strange.. it says I quit.. |
| 16:05:42 | byu_fan | your Jayce^ nick |
| 16:05:43 | levi | Well, I think sucking a falcon into a jet aircraft engine pretty much assures damage to the plane. |
| 16:05:50 | byu_fan | i know |
| 16:06:09 | byu_fan | but it's a funny thought at least :) |
| 16:06:24 | byu_fan | i mean what would the announcer say? |
| 16:06:25 | Jayce^ | depends on the engine.. |
| 16:06:33 | Jayce^ | saw this show where boeing was doing jet tests... |
| 16:06:41 | byu_fan | "and here we have a ... uh... uh..." |
| 16:06:52 | byu_fan | lol |
| 16:06:55 | Jayce^ | they have it running.. full power, and they throw frozen and thawed chickens into it. |
| 16:07:10 | Jayce^ | they even had this type of gun to shoot the chickens into the engine :D |
| 16:07:20 | byu_fan | jet engines are designed to withstand a few birds, it is a common occurence |
| 16:07:57 | byu_fan | it'd require replacing a few turbine blades, but i doubt it would cause the plane to crash... |
| 16:08:11 | byu_fan | i want a frozen chicken gun! |
| 16:08:20 | Jayce^ | that is for most modern planes :D |
| 16:08:29 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. that would be better than my old potato gun |
| 16:08:55 | byu_fan | i am sure that military jets have a high tolerance for birds, especially low flying ones, like the A-10 |
| 16:09:25 | byu_fan | "uh, sorry sir, mission failed due to a flock of geese" |
| 16:10:20 | byu_fan | put in frozen chicken in the gun, collect bbq chicken pieces on the other side of the engine :) |
| 16:10:37 | byu_fan | pretty quick and efficient... |
| 16:10:41 | byu_fan | who needs ginsu? |
| 16:11:34 | byu_fan | anyway, what a strange topic... |
| 16:11:38 | byu_fan | funny, but strange |
| 16:11:40 | byu_fan | :) |
| 16:12:43 | byu_fan | turbine lickin' good |
| 16:12:52 | Jayce^ | ouch.. that one hurt the brain.. |
| 16:13:07 | byu_fan | haha... |
| 16:13:12 | byu_fan | cracks himself up |
| 17:00:16 | han_solo | is back (gone 01:04:40) |
| 17:00:17 | han_solo | oh my |
| 17:00:32 | han_solo | levi, you're not alone. I dislike watching people do stupid things too. |
| 17:01:01 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:01:07 | Jayce^ | han_solo: you missed our fun discussion |
| 17:01:27 | byu_fan | but ppl doing stupid things are usually the funniest things... |
| 17:01:34 | byu_fan | ever see jackass on MTV? |
| 17:01:47 | byu_fan | i laugh so hard when I see that... |
| 17:01:52 | han_solo | i was in a meeting. I think professors may be more prone to feature creep than marketing departments. Not sure though. |
| 17:02:15 | byu_fan | ooooh, thats a tough call |
| 17:02:37 | byu_fan | ever heard a marketing guy say "no"... me neither... |
| 17:09:53 | levi | byu_fan: I beg to differ again, re: jackass |
| 17:10:17 | byu_fan | i think it is funny as can be |
| 17:10:31 | byu_fan | here are ppl doing stupid things and getting paid for it... |
| 17:12:46 | byu_fan | like the guy that drank a goldfish, and couldn't get it back up like he intended, for about 2 minutes... |
| 17:13:02 | byu_fan | and then seeing the ppl faces on the street as they walked past him... |
| 17:13:03 | byu_fan | lol |
| 17:13:44 | byu_fan | or the guys going 'urban kayaking'... |
| 17:14:05 | byu_fan | carrying their kayaks to city fountains... |
| 17:14:14 | byu_fan | haha |
| 17:16:18 | byu_fan | anyway, I was a beavis and butthead fan when i was in high school... maybe it warped my mind... |
| 17:17:07 | han_solo | i think so |
| 17:17:19 | han_solo | ;-) |
| 17:18:46 | byu_fan | maybe one of these days I will grow out of it, but it is fun for now :) |
| 17:19:51 | byu_fan | and if someone wants to be dumb enough to provide the entertainment... oh well... |
| 17:20:07 | byu_fan | but one thing that really bugs me... is ppl that can't laugh at themselves... |
| 17:20:16 | han_solo | agreed. |
| 17:21:02 | han_solo | laughs at himself |
| 17:21:06 | byu_fan | like if someone gets caught doing something stupid, and they can't laugh at the stupidity of it, that just ticks me off... |
| 17:21:29 | byu_fan | and then there are the ppl that take themselves (and their causes) way too seriously... |
| 17:21:47 | han_solo | thinks about a few discussions on uug |
| 17:22:18 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:22:24 | Jayce^ | plug too.. |
| 17:22:36 | byu_fan | like that kid in colorado that is an american indian and in protest named his baseball team the "fighting whities" just to prove to us how hypocritical we are... |
| 17:23:07 | Jayce^ | gotta love it every time mysql get's mentioned.. certain people have to pipe up with opinions about it in relation to postgres |
| 17:23:11 | byu_fan | newsmax.com was selling "fighting whitie" t-shirts |
| 17:23:15 | byu_fan | for a while |
| 17:23:19 | Jayce^ | hehee... |
| 17:23:33 | Jayce^ | too close to tighty whities.. |
| 17:24:01 | byu_fan | yeah, why not "mighty whities"? |
| 17:24:11 | byu_fan | that's closer |
| 17:24:49 | han_solo | Jayce^: I have to restrain myself everytime I see a non-elegant 'redhat solution' |
| 17:24:55 | byu_fan | maybe that could be byu's new mascot... |
| 17:25:07 | han_solo | the burden of being right. ;-) |
| 17:25:57 | byu_fan | while we are on the subject... thin skinned self righteous mormons piss me off too |
| 17:26:39 | han_solo | checks the thickness of his skin |
| 17:26:40 | byu_fan | anyway... not to pass judgement... thin skin in anyone irks me... |
| 17:27:49 | Jayce^ | aww c'mon.. Utah doesn't have any self-righteous mormons? |
| 17:27:55 | byu_fan | LOL! |
| 17:28:30 | Jayce^ | and they don't do anything with the all-mormons-hate-me-and-are-destroying-*my*-lifestyle people who live around here |
| 17:28:53 | byu_fan | i love the "Get the EFY students off our campus" editorials in the daily universe every year... |
| 17:29:29 | Jayce^ | you mean from the people who were just there last year? |
| 17:29:47 | han_solo | any morning at ten til the hour is a heckuvalot more crowded on campus than any moment during EFY or even ed. week |
| 17:29:55 | han_solo | (during fall sem) |
| 17:30:59 | byu_fan | and it is fun to see the EFY kids all walking around with their "boyfreinds" and "girlfriends"... |
| 17:32:03 | han_solo | had a crush on a girl at EFY once. |
| 17:32:19 | Jayce^ | never went to EFY.. or BYI :D |
| 17:32:46 | Jayce^ | BYU that is.. |
| 17:32:49 | han_solo | a moment of indecision, byu_fan? |
| 17:32:55 | byu_fan | i went to EFY 4 years, and I loved every single one |
| 17:33:00 | han_solo | I was trying to figure out the I |
| 17:33:25 | han_solo | Jayce^: where did you go? |
| 17:33:25 | byu_fan | no, I wanted to check brailsmt's ':)' stats on #ruby-lang |
| 17:33:36 | han_solo | uvsc? the u? the web? |
| 17:33:43 | byu_fan | huh? |
| 17:33:53 | byu_fan | my wife plays on UVSC's soccer team |
| 17:33:55 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:34:02 | han_solo | i love futbol |
| 17:34:11 | byu_fan | my wife is really good |
| 17:34:14 | Jayce^ | many places.. Ricks was my favorite.. |
| 17:34:20 | Jayce^ | futebol |
| 17:34:44 | byu_fan | she tried out at BYU, but quit on the second day of try outs when I proposed to her... |
| 17:35:29 | byu_fan | i was an idiot and didn't support her soccer career like I should have, I was too interested in her :) |
| 17:35:30 | Jayce^ | hoser.. |
| 17:35:42 | han_solo | smacks byu_fan around a bit with a cold fish |
| 17:35:50 | byu_fan | i was smitten, completely and totally |
| 17:36:01 | byu_fan | so was she... |
| 17:36:25 | byu_fan | anyway... enough of my shortcomings... how about you guys? :) |
| 17:36:55 | byu_fan | looks like great football weather |
| 17:37:00 | sjansen | votes for futebol |
| 17:37:04 | han_solo | I not infrequently forget that my wife is bringing me a lunch... she has to park and bring it up to me. |
| 17:37:14 | han_solo | women's soccer tonight at 7 |
| 17:37:14 | byu_fan | byu is gonna stomp syracuse |
| 17:37:39 | byu_fan | my wife's games this weekend are in Las Vegas... |
| 17:37:43 | Jayce^ | futebôl é bom demais... é bom que o brasil ganhou mais uma estrela na camisa |
| 17:37:51 | byu_fan | I don't think I will be able to go... :( |
| 17:38:03 | byu_fan | fusball? |
| 17:38:24 | byu_fan | i liked the dead chicken gun conversation better than this one :) |
| 17:39:20 | byu_fan | it had more puntential... |
| 17:39:26 | byu_fan | ... |
| 17:39:36 | byu_fan | hrmm... some things are best left unsaid... |
| 17:41:05 | byu_fan | my wife is taking AHtg at uvsc, and the second day of class the prof asked the class what diseases were the biggest problem for the first europeans to the continent... some guy rose his hand and said "AIDS" about as confidently as you can imagine... obviously proud that he knew the answer... |
| 17:41:20 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:41:33 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 17:42:03 | byu_fan | the prof laughed out loud before he regained his composure... |
| 17:42:21 | han_solo | lol |
| 17:42:28 | byu_fan | ignorance is bliss they say... that guy lives in bliss |
| 17:42:31 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:42:51 | han_solo | is going to be taking ahtg either indep. study or the very last semester |
| 17:43:00 | byu_fan | indep study... |
| 17:43:14 | byu_fan | or better yet, take it at uvsc... i did, it was way easier... |
| 17:43:47 | byu_fan | and with ^-- that kind of class competition, you can't lose... |
| 17:43:55 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:44:32 | byu_fan | i am dreading history of civ... |
| 17:44:43 | byu_fan | they are the last two GE's i have left... |
| 17:46:08 | byu_fan | i am actually just sitting at the computer wasting time since I don't want to clean the house... |
| 17:46:15 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:46:34 | han_solo | dude |
| 17:46:40 | han_solo | take mfg 201/202 |
| 17:46:44 | byu_fan | i already played freecraft, but the ai is so dumb, it isn't even a challenge.. |
| 17:46:47 | byu_fan | mfg? |
| 17:46:48 | han_solo | it is a way cool class |
| 17:46:54 | byu_fan | manufacturing? |
| 17:47:05 | han_solo | I wrote an interactive fiction game for my creativity project last semester (history of creativity) |
| 17:47:08 | han_solo | yeah |
| 17:47:29 | han_solo | the prof is an exceptional lecturer |
| 17:47:35 | byu_fan | that is about the only one of the civ classes that looked semi-interesting... |
| 17:47:37 | han_solo | the tests aren't difficult |
| 17:47:57 | han_solo | the creativity project is most likely fun |
| 17:48:05 | byu_fan | actually, history of philosophy looked the most interesting... but i am not about ready to take phil classes... |
| 17:48:24 | han_solo | I'm taking 201 this semester (took 202 last) |
| 17:48:27 | byu_fan | lots of writing and reading and thinking |
| 17:49:00 | byu_fan | the *last* thing I want is to have to think for a GE course... |
| 17:49:01 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:49:14 | han_solo | mwf 11:00 |
| 17:49:25 | han_solo | when are you going to take your hist.civ classes? |
| 17:49:31 | byu_fan | GE == do the least you can do for the lowest grade that you will accept... |
| 17:49:38 | byu_fan | :) |
| 17:49:42 | byu_fan | in my case a B |
| 17:50:19 | byu_fan | i think I will take them either winter semester, or one in winter and one in spring... |
| 17:50:59 | byu_fan | i have 345, 455, and 428 this semester |
| 17:51:18 | byu_fan | i don't feel a need/desire to take anymore classes... :) |
| 17:51:54 | han_solo | that's a sane attitude. esp. with 345 |
| 17:51:55 | han_solo | spits |
| 17:52:07 | han_solo | who's teaching 345? |
| 17:52:10 | byu_fan | yeah, I just finished failing it in summer term... |
| 17:52:23 | byu_fan | it was really dumb to take that class in the summer... |
| 17:52:41 | byu_fan | Dr. Cornell is my prof |
| 17:52:50 | byu_fan | i had him in the summer too |
| 17:53:19 | han_solo | cool. i was going to pop up a red flag if it was seamons |
| 17:53:44 | byu_fan | cornell is good, and he offered lots of ex. cred. projects... |
| 17:54:05 | byu_fan | which I wasn't able to do, since I wasn't even able to complete the normal ones... :( |
| 17:54:51 | byu_fan | and he even let me do them all on linux :) |
| 17:54:57 | han_solo | no way |
| 17:55:03 | han_solo | is extremely jealous |
| 17:55:18 | byu_fan | yeah... |
| 17:55:20 | han_solo | I spent so much @$#@##$@ time messing with visual studio |
| 17:55:29 | byu_fan | i did the threads lab with pthreads, and a ruby gui |
| 17:55:53 | byu_fan | i learned all about inlining asm with gcc |
| 17:56:31 | han_solo | i would have LOVED that class if I could apply stuff to a real operating system like that |
| 17:56:39 | han_solo | notwithstanding teacher and tests |
| 17:57:01 | byu_fan | what ticks me off, is that I got 85+ on all the tests, but since I wasn't able to get help from TA's since their hours were bad for me, i wasn't able to complete any labs except two... |
| 17:57:18 | byu_fan | and so I got an E... |
| 17:57:25 | byu_fan | makes me mad, mad, mad... |
| 17:57:36 | han_solo | that stinks |
| 17:58:34 | byu_fan | i never messed with visual studio except learning how to compile... then I coded with vim :) |
| 17:58:49 | byu_fan | and that was just for the FAT lab |
| 17:59:07 | byu_fan | everything else i did in linux... |
| 17:59:33 | han_solo | why not do fat in linux too? |
| 17:59:55 | byu_fan | i didn't think about it hard enough to realize that i could do it in linux... |
| 18:00:12 | byu_fan | i thought "linux == ext2"... |
| 18:00:39 | han_solo | you can't really do the FAT lab in windows 95/98 without some serious workarounds, so I had to do it all in the lab |
| 18:00:40 | byu_fan | i think one guy did the FAT lab on linux with ext2 instead of FAT... |
| 18:00:47 | han_solo | (not being able to do linux) |
| 18:00:53 | han_solo | now that would have been sweet. |
| 18:01:14 | byu_fan | well, ext2 is not as straightforward as FAT is... |
| 18:01:33 | han_solo | more useful thoug |
| 18:01:33 | han_solo | h |
| 18:01:37 | byu_fan | FAT is basically just an array of linked lists |
| 18:01:52 | han_solo | i.e. I don't know when I'll use knowledge of FAT (5 years ago sure...) |
| 18:02:38 | byu_fan | an inode can have a linked list of a linked list of a linked list of disk sectors... |
| 18:02:47 | byu_fan | which gets nasty... |
| 18:03:23 | byu_fan | and if the file is *really* big then you get... |
| 18:03:56 | byu_fan | a linked list of sectors + a linked list of a linked list of sectors + an ll of an ll of an ll of sectors |
| 18:04:23 | byu_fan | FAT is just always the same... |
| 18:04:46 | byu_fan | but ext2 is *a lot* better, but it was more than I cared to take on |
| 18:04:46 | han_solo | yeah, fat was probably easier |
| 18:05:16 | byu_fan | and they already gave us the ReadSector and WriteSector functions for windows... |
| 18:05:24 | han_solo | but I like to feel like I learned something - if I'm going to take a class I want to make it worth something. |
| 18:05:51 | han_solo | and learning how to cut & paste windows code until visual studio works was not in my opinion learning. |
| 18:05:59 | byu_fan | well... my main beef with that class is that implement simulations of all those parts of an OS... |
| 18:06:38 | byu_fan | it'd be nice if they provided a kernel, and we wrote a *real* mem mgr, a *real* fs, etc... |
| 18:06:45 | byu_fan | albeit very simplistic ones... |
| 18:07:05 | byu_fan | that'd be far more useful than simulating it all |
| 18:07:28 | han_solo | agreed |
| 18:07:47 | han_solo | my main beef was why in the world do we need to be writing GUI apps for simulating KERNEL functions? |
| 18:07:49 | han_solo | that was insane |
| 18:07:57 | byu_fan | exactly |
| 18:08:51 | byu_fan | and then... why on earth teach an OS class with windows... |
| 18:09:02 | byu_fan | bah... |
| 18:09:04 | han_solo | right |
| 18:09:21 | han_solo | man, now you've got me all worked up again |
| 18:09:22 | byu_fan | it'd be better that we hacked on the mach kernel or something... |
| 18:09:53 | han_solo | that class was a waste of money and time. Its only virtue was what little I was able to glean from the non-impressive book. |
| 18:09:59 | byu_fan | dips into his 'soothing' repertoire... |
| 18:10:25 | byu_fan | well, now that I have exhausted that... |
| 18:10:27 | byu_fan | :) |
| 18:10:56 | byu_fan | another thing... why C++... |
| 18:11:07 | han_solo | as in, why not C? |
| 18:11:19 | byu_fan | i don't know of any kernels outside of GNU Hurd and w2k that are in C++ |
| 18:11:32 | byu_fan | they are almost always written in C... |
| 18:11:40 | byu_fan | but that is a minor issue... |
| 18:11:45 | han_solo | hurd is in c++? |
| 18:11:45 | han_solo | has anyone tried Hurd? |
| 18:11:55 | han_solo | is anyone listening to us rant? :) |
| 18:11:56 | byu_fan | last i checked hurd was OO |
| 18:12:13 | byu_fan | i offered to help them out a while back... |
| 18:12:26 | byu_fan | they just wanted testers, I didn't want to test |
| 18:13:08 | byu_fan | han_solo: btw, that guy from #ruby-lang that wants to phone interview me, he got is PhD from BYU... its a small world afterall... |
| 18:13:32 | han_solo | really? who is it? |
| 18:13:57 | byu_fan | when I sent him my phone number he replies '"(801)374" that is Provo, right?'... |
| 18:14:11 | byu_fan | Jim Freeze... PhD in 1998 in EE |
| 18:14:27 | han_solo | oic |
| 18:14:34 | han_solo | wouldn't know an ee phd |
| 18:14:45 | byu_fan | me neither... |
| 18:15:03 | byu_fan | han_solo: have you checked ou eruby? |
| 18:15:10 | byu_fan | it is *cool* |
| 18:15:22 | han_solo | that's the embedded ruby right? as in like php? |
| 18:15:25 | han_solo | yeah, I like it lots |
| 18:15:26 | byu_fan | yeah |
| 18:15:34 | byu_fan | but you can process any text file... |
| 18:15:51 | han_solo | naturally :) |
| 18:15:53 | byu_fan | i am thinking about doing my #includes via an eruby statement... |
| 18:16:02 | han_solo | that thought just came to my head too |
| 18:16:06 | byu_fan | ooh... |
| 18:16:22 | byu_fan | i could generate debug code with it too... |
| 18:16:26 | han_solo | in fact, here at work I was thinking about how to include mostly the same info in a header file and a swig file |
| 18:16:33 | han_solo | that would work nicely |
| 18:16:48 | han_solo | please expound |
| 18:16:54 | byu_fan | like //%debug next 3 lines% |
| 18:17:29 | byu_fan | and then have it wrap the those line in "cerr << ... << endl;" |
| 18:17:44 | byu_fan | that'd be a lot easier than doing it by hand... |
| 18:18:13 | byu_fan | oooh... |
| 18:18:28 | byu_fan | maybe use it to generate .h files from the .cpp file |
| 18:18:42 | byu_fan | lots of things popping into my head... |
| 18:18:59 | han_solo | that's my problem. way too many things pop into my head - not enough pops out my fingers |
| 18:19:08 | byu_fan | EXACTLY!!! |
| 18:19:24 | byu_fan | my brain is one big huge priority queue |
| 18:19:27 | byu_fan | :) |
| 18:19:27 | han_solo | it's an eternal curse |
| 18:19:53 | han_solo | I think my queue started when I was 9 or 10 |
| 18:20:28 | han_solo | One project I've had since I was 14 or so... :) I did have a version in basic, but since then I've thought about reimplementing it in every language I can think of |
| 18:20:34 | byu_fan | my wife thinks sometimes that my sorting function is screwy... :) |
| 18:21:35 | byu_fan | anyway, I think I have put off cleaning as long as I dare... |
| 18:21:42 | han_solo | have fun :) |
| 18:21:58 | byu_fan | i'd hate to have my parents show up to a messy kitchen... |
| 18:22:16 | byu_fan | i am just glad we bought a portable dishwasher! |
| 18:23:08 | byu_fan | han_solo: i looked for that laptop store you were talking about down by novell... |
| 18:23:11 | byu_fan | i didn't see anythin |
| 18:23:35 | byu_fan | i looked in hte phone book and all I could see was JC Tronix, which isn't by novell... |
| 18:24:00 | han_solo | hmm. I haven't asked my dad - they're off line because ISPs in vernal aren't exactly cool |
| 18:24:21 | quangdog | alo? |
| 18:24:27 | han_solo | morning kimball |
| 18:24:28 | byu_fan | hola |
| 18:24:35 | quangdog | hola all. |
| 18:24:54 | quangdog | wow, my first irc experience. :) |
| 18:24:55 | byu_fan | kimball? whats your last name? there was kimball on my floor my freshman year... |
| 18:25:01 | quangdog | Larsen. |
| 18:25:08 | quangdog | Q hall - 6th floor. |
| 18:25:08 | byu_fan | close, but no cigar... |
| 18:25:14 | quangdog | Gerber was the ta.. |
| 18:25:39 | byu_fan | nope, V hall 5th floor 1993-94 |
| 18:25:57 | byu_fan | oh well, worth a try... |
| 18:26:12 | byu_fan | not many kimballs around, you know... |
| 18:26:25 | quangdog | yeah. |
| 18:26:26 | byu_fan | anyway... I really have to clean... (ugh) |
| 18:26:32 | quangdog | good luck! |
| 18:33:27 | byu_fan | anyone know the IP for the KSL stream? |
| 18:34:56 | byu_fan | icecast.ksl.com:8000 |
| 18:35:00 | byu_fan | if anyone cares... |
| 18:35:28 | byu_fan | breaks out the vacuum... |
| 18:35:32 | byu_fan | this sucks... |
| 18:35:36 | byu_fan | :| |
| 18:35:44 | han_solo | vacuuming? that's not so bad |
| 18:35:48 | han_solo | mopping otoh |
| 18:42:54 | Jayce^ | whaddup HarleyPig.. |
| 18:42:58 | Jayce^ | long time no talk |
| 18:43:16 | HarleyPig | Not much. |
| 18:43:22 | han_solo | hey pig |
| 18:43:27 | HarleyPig | Just finishing rebuilding after a corrupted fs last weekend. |
| 18:43:30 | HarleyPig | 'lo han_solo |
| 18:43:43 | Jayce^ | what happened? and on what system? |
| 18:44:23 | Jayce^ | you read dan's review on the oreilly postgres book? just posted.. |
| 18:44:26 | HarleyPig | my workstation. |
| 18:44:33 | HarleyPig | not yet. |
| 18:44:51 | HarleyPig | I'm using links for my browser ... it's nice, but it ain't mozilla or konq. |
| 18:46:26 | levi | Drat, I missed fun conversation here. |
| 18:46:54 | levi | notes, really late, that BeOS was written in C++ |
| 18:46:54 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: you missed the conversation about the chicken gun. |
| 18:47:07 | han_solo | I never got a chance to check out beos |
| 18:47:12 | han_solo | what was cool about it? |
| 18:47:18 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: Do I wanna know? |
| 18:47:26 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: oh yeah :D |
| 18:47:54 | levi | han_solo: It was completely threaded and object oriented, optimized for multiprocessing, had low-latency, and a nice GUI to boot. |
| 18:48:13 | Jayce^ | bbiab.. gotta watch the kid for a few minutes.. |
| 18:49:25 | levi | Yow. |
| 18:53:41 | han_solo | wb |
| 18:54:45 | levi | Hmm, was that a netsplit or what? |
| 18:55:07 | han_solo | a prime specimen |
| 18:55:18 | levi | Fun. |
| 18:55:41 | levi | So, yeah, some cool OS work has been done in C++. |
| 18:56:11 | levi | But there are some inherent problems with it which they had to deal with. |
| 18:57:02 | han_solo | such as |
| 18:58:07 | levi | http://2f.ru/holy-wars/fbc.html |
| 18:58:17 | levi | The fragile base class problem |
| 19:00:17 | han_solo | ugh |
| 19:00:32 | Jayce^ | that was interesting.. |
| 19:03:42 | han_solo | " You may see more splits in the next few minutes, though we will try to keep these to a minimum." |
| 19:03:48 | han_solo | get out your surfboards |
| 19:05:21 | Jayce^ | how was the surfing guys? |
| 19:06:46 | quangdog | Can I just brag about my wife for a sec? She knows how to a) develop web applications, b) tunnel through my work firewall to install and test said web apps on my linux workstation 3) is a great cook. :) |
| 19:06:56 | quangdog | er.. I said a, b, 3. I'm a dork. |
| 19:07:07 | han_solo | lol |
| 19:07:22 | han_solo | my wife yesterday had an epiphanous moment |
| 19:07:58 | han_solo | she was at a friend's - they were looking at quicken. she told her about gnucash and had to explain what linux is and all that |
| 19:08:03 | levi | Yeah, well, brailsmt's wife is really good at soccer. And my future wife will have a, b, 3, soccer skillz, AND be a supermodel. ;) |
| 19:08:15 | han_solo | she realized that hey she knew quite a bit about this stuff after all. |
| 19:08:27 | han_solo | she taught her about operating systems, linux, free software... |
| 19:08:44 | byu_fan | wb everyone |
| 19:09:04 | BZFlag | welcome to irc.opensplits.net |
| 19:09:37 | byu_fan | no... irc.freesplits.net |
| 19:09:39 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 19:09:49 | Jayce^ | irc.manysplits.net? |
| 19:09:58 | Jayce^ | extremesplits? |
| 19:10:02 | han_solo | irc.freenodes.net |
| 19:10:07 | byu_fan | whats up with the name change? freenode sounds... well... gay... |
| 19:10:20 | byu_fan | opn sounds l33t |
| 19:10:50 | Jayce^ | must go along with the "free" not "open" arguments.. |
| 19:11:13 | han_solo | maybe because freenode rhymes with freeload |
| 19:11:48 | byu_fan | Thursday's game will be broadcast to a national television audience on ESPN, beginning at 5:30 p.m. (MDT). Mike Tirico (a Syracuse alum) will call the action |
| 19:11:52 | Jayce^ | so, what would you guys think about having a user-group trivia competition.. |
| 19:11:59 | byu_fan | any guesses on the bias for that broadcast? |
| 19:12:17 | Jayce^ | get teams from PLUG, UUG, and others (maybe companies too eg. lineo vs. caldera) and have a trivia contest.. |
| 19:12:26 | han_solo | sounds fun :) |
| 19:12:30 | byu_fan | as if espn needs any more excuses to not like BYU |
| 19:12:33 | han_solo | computer trivia of course |
| 19:13:00 | Jayce^ | of course.. |
| 19:13:15 | Jayce^ | for those who've been to oscon... along the lines of jon orwants trivia night |
| 19:13:40 | byu_fan | ok... since I am the only one that cares about football in here (sob, sob) I will shut up... phfft... |
| 19:13:50 | Jayce^ | just wondering if we could get some 4 man teams to compete (at least 3 or 4.. do a best of) |
| 19:14:06 | Jayce^ | byu_fan: dont' forget.. I'll be there too.. North bleachers |
| 19:14:08 | byu_fan | so long as it is trivia about stuff I know |
| 19:14:14 | byu_fan | :) |
| 19:14:43 | byu_fan | whee... |
| 19:15:16 | byu_fan | wb |
| 19:15:33 | Jayce^ | shall I repeat that for the people who obviously opted out of my last statement? :D |
| 19:18:16 | Bradipo | Wow. |
| 19:18:23 | byu_fan | this is sooooooooo fun |
| 19:18:42 | han_solo | byu_fan: not fun until you get on both sides of the split and talk to yourself, taking advantage of lag |
| 19:19:16 | byu_fan | hrrm... you have a point... |
| 19:19:45 | byu_fan | /ignore irc.freenode.net |
| 19:20:00 | byu_fan | maybe that'll cut out the netsplit crap... |
| 19:20:32 | byu_fan | now I gotta clean and mop the kitchen... blech.... |
| 19:21:37 | scott | it was fun to see spamassassin pick up that free as in no cost thread as spam :) |
| 19:22:15 | byu_fan | that is why I don't use a spam filterer like that... |
| 19:22:29 | byu_fan | :0: |
| 19:22:40 | byu_fan | * ^content-type:.*text/html |
| 19:22:42 | byu_fan | /dev/null |
| 19:22:48 | scott | that's a stupid spam filter imo |
| 19:22:49 | byu_fan | that takes care of most spam |
| 19:22:57 | scott | I think spamassassin is a much better way |
| 19:22:59 | han_solo | also half of legit email |
| 19:22:59 | byu_fan | why? |
| 19:23:08 | scott | wait till you get a job offer from some idiot using html mail |
| 19:23:11 | han_solo | even multipart emails with legit text versions |
| 19:23:12 | byu_fan | no one that I know sends html mail |
| 19:23:14 | sjansen | Because too many people use Outlook default config. |
| 19:23:32 | han_solo | I use vipul's razor |
| 19:23:40 | sjansen | vipul's razor? |
| 19:23:44 | han_solo | but even so I just add a header and have mutt color it different |
| 19:23:46 | sjansen | I'm only familiar with Occam. |
| 19:24:05 | han_solo | http://razor.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:24:27 | Jayce^ | my boss and co use a lot of it.. ugh I can't stand it.. |
| 19:24:27 | Jayce^ | I keep meaning to have kmail run a perl script to remove the html out of the messages |
| 19:24:31 | sjansen | byu_fan: Don't just toss it. Someday it'll come back to bite you. |
| 19:24:51 | sjansen | Filter to a seperate folder (mbox). |
| 19:24:56 | scott | if you get spam you report it |
| 19:24:57 | han_solo | I have mutt automatically dump it to plain text with links |
| 19:24:58 | scott | re vipul |
| 19:25:02 | scott | byu_fan, but what if someone you don't know emails you? |
| 19:25:06 | scott | most business people I doubt concern themselves w/ whether their emailer is sending html or plain text |
| 19:25:07 | byu_fan | when I start job hunting I probably will change it, but right now all the mail i get is from my parents and MLs |
| 19:25:21 | han_solo | so html emails look like text. |
| 19:25:37 | sjansen | Just use a decent program. |
| 19:25:45 | sjansen | *cough* Evolution *cough* |
| 19:25:46 | byu_fan | perhaps i should just bounce it |
| 19:26:04 | byu_fan | bah... evolution is too big... mutt is faster and better, in my opinion |
| 19:26:14 | sjansen | I loved KMails fake bounce. |
| 19:26:19 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 19:26:22 | levi | I like Evolution. |
| 19:26:41 | | No luck, sjansen |
| 19:26:41 | sjansen | ibot insult mutt |
| 19:26:41 | levi | It's very speedy. |
| 19:26:41 | han_solo | byu_fan: turn on autoview, make sure you have the right settings in mailcap (see the mutt docs) |
| 19:26:42 | byu_fan | i prefer term apps over guis with one exception... |
| 19:26:42 | Jayce^ | evolution is too much like outlook for my taste.. |
| 19:26:42 | byu_fan | gvim |
| 19:26:50 | han_solo | evolution's not so speedy on my slower computer |
| 19:26:53 | byu_fan | han_solo: I have it set up to view html mail in lynx just fine |
| 19:27:15 | levi | Well, the GUI is slow, but searching and stuff is fast. |
| 19:27:21 | han_solo | yeah, but popping up lynx is annoying |
| 19:27:22 | sjansen | Nah, gvim stinks. Console all the way there. |
| 19:27:29 | Bradipo | If I receive an email that is HTML only, I delete it. |
| 19:27:41 | byu_fan | sjansen: i would use console if it had more colors... |
| 19:27:43 | Bradipo | The proper way to send an email with HTML is to include a text/plain part. |
| 19:27:55 | han_solo | autoview inlines the text dump |
| 19:27:58 | levi | Amen, Bradipo |
| 19:28:05 | han_solo | amen. |
| 19:28:13 | byu_fan | amen brother... |
| 19:28:16 | byu_fan | ... |
| 19:28:21 | Bradipo | sing it over, amen. |
| 19:28:23 | sjansen | wonders why he wasn't invited to the revival |
| 19:28:32 | Jayce^ | halleleuja |
| 19:28:47 | byu_fan | convulses on the floor in a fit of holy something or other... |
| 19:28:56 | han_solo | hands a snake to byu_fan |
| 19:29:03 | byu_fan | lol |
| 19:29:04 | Jayce^ | passes the plate :> |
| 19:29:31 | byu_fan | i can now speak in tongues... |
| 19:29:37 | byu_fan | djkadsfji oiakjf mdkklasdf madm asdfa |
| 19:29:47 | sjansen | Gloria! Gloria! Gloria! |
| 19:29:52 | han_solo | Jayce^ has the gift of l33tsp34k |
| 19:29:59 | Jayce^ | H3110 W0r1d |
| 19:30:06 | byu_fan | kjdsmnu kj as alssd jfnn asuv vim rulez hjd ioasd |
| 19:30:08 | sjansen | Tenho visto a verdade e me livrou! |
| 19:30:12 | byu_fan | :) |
| 19:30:38 | Jayce^ | sjansen: pode ser livrado fora de nossos olhos.. |
| 19:30:39 | sjansen | Gloria a Xuxa! |
| 19:30:48 | byu_fan | Atendi una iglesia asi cuande este en Chile... |
| 19:30:50 | byu_fan | hahaha |
| 19:31:08 | byu_fan | xuxa is a very bad word in Chile... |
| 19:31:27 | sjansen | Funny, she's a star in all of Latin America. |
| 19:31:29 | byu_fan | and it has nothing to do with the pr0n star turned kids actor... |
| 19:31:44 | Jayce^ | Xuxa-park |
| 19:31:54 | Jayce^ | and musician |
| 19:31:54 | byu_fan | Xuxa y los tigritos |
| 19:32:03 | byu_fan | or something like that... |
| 19:32:18 | byu_fan | pero Don Fransisco es Chileno! |
| 19:32:33 | byu_fan | vive Sabado Gigante |
| 19:32:35 | Jayce^ | xuxa é carioca e não pode falar a letra s certo.. |
| 19:32:45 | byu_fan | xuxa... la cantante |
| 19:32:48 | byu_fan | :) |
| 19:33:00 | han_solo | so how do you guys enter special characters? |
| 19:33:06 | scott | darn spanish-speaking returned missionaries.. |
| 19:33:07 | byu_fan | via xchat... |
| 19:33:10 | han_solo | in linux that is |
| 19:33:33 | Jayce^ | I have the other keyboard setting installed, and can switch between them in kde.. with an applet/key-combo |
| 19:33:42 | han_solo | what kb setting? |
| 19:33:59 | byu_fan | oh yeah... I have set up via xmodmap... (just kidding) |
| 19:34:01 | han_solo | how am I going to learn another kb setting? Why not a dead-key combination? |
| 19:34:11 | byu_fan | though I did recently map caps lock to esc :) |
| 19:34:23 | sjansen | dead-key combos exist for Linux |
| 19:34:34 | han_solo | i've mapped it to ctrl recently and decided to try c-[ for esc in vim |
| 19:34:37 | byu_fan | makes vimming even better (though that is hard to do...) |
| 19:34:37 | han_solo | it's working fairly well |
| 19:34:40 | sjansen | And if you don't like it, make your own then share. |
| 19:35:02 | byu_fan | though my poor little is busy now... |
| 19:35:06 | byu_fan | err... |
| 19:35:13 | byu_fan | my poor little pinky finger... |
| 19:35:25 | Jayce^ | vim is best with a home-row key as esc.. hands never need to move |
| 19:35:34 | sjansen | wonders why anyone would replace esc. |
| 19:35:36 | levi | I've always used cntl-[ for esc in vim |
| 19:35:55 | byu_fan | sjansen: do you use vim? |
| 19:36:02 | levi | Much easier to reach than the esc key. |
| 19:36:09 | byu_fan | with modern kbds the esc key is in timbuktu |
| 19:36:21 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 19:36:35 | han_solo | levi: I never thought so until i mapped ctrl to caps. I still think regular ctrl-[ is too complicated |
| 19:36:42 | Jayce^ | that's part of the reason my variable neames never use a "_" in them.. too far to strecth |
| 19:36:44 | levi | BTW, I've been reading up on the fragile base class problem. |
| 19:36:56 | sjansen | byu_fan: Of course. There is no text editor but vim and Bram Moolenaar is it's creator. |
| 19:37:01 | sjansen | hopes that doesn't offend anyone |
| 19:37:06 | levi | han_solo: Well, I'm used to hitting ctrl, so it's not a big deal to hit ctrl-[ |
| 19:37:13 | byu_fan | is offended |
| 19:37:32 | byu_fan | just kidding... |
| 19:37:59 | byu_fan | locks and loads his dead chicken gun |
| 19:38:01 | levi | Turns out it's only a problem in OO languages that do static compile-time binding. |
| 19:38:07 | levi | Which is what I suspected. |
| 19:38:16 | han_solo | yeah, makes sense |
| 19:38:27 | levi | And is yet another reason for me to dislike those kinds of languages. |
| 19:38:36 | sjansen | I think I understand now. Y'all don't have the sonderfull keyboard I do. PB G3 Bronze keyboard, almost everything is a finger's lenght away. |
| 19:38:40 | byu_fan | and another reason to use ruby |
| 19:38:51 | han_solo | byu_fan++ |
| 19:39:01 | byu_fan | bows... thank you |
| 19:39:07 | han_solo | is that kosher, using ++ in this context? |
| 19:39:33 | levi | I like OOP when it's dynamic. I dislike C++ and Java. I like Objective C, though. |
| 19:40:06 | han_solo | i've wanted to look at objective c |
| 19:40:10 | han_solo | and eiffel |
| 19:40:35 | levi | I studied eiffel a bit for one of my classes. It was interesting. But it's very static, IIRC. |
| 19:41:03 | sjansen | laughs loudly |
| 19:41:15 | sjansen | Gotta love a vendor that can't keep their own site up. |
| 19:41:20 | han_solo | sjansen is still in the revival? |
| 19:41:49 | sjansen | Nope, the provider of what will eventually be the RY security replacement is down. |
| 19:42:02 | sjansen | That bodes _so_ well. |
| 19:42:04 | Jayce^ | hacked? :D |
| 19:42:08 | han_solo | heh |
| 19:42:10 | sjansen | Nope, problem with their software. |
| 19:42:14 | han_solo | gets riled up |
| 19:42:23 | sjansen | I've been seeing the stupid error messages for weeks and now I see it on their site. |
| 19:42:26 | han_solo | I spent a good 10 minutes filling out a financial aid form yesterday |
| 19:42:38 | han_solo | only to be told the financial aid system is down and your data wasn't saved. sorry |
| 19:43:15 | sjansen | I don't know if their any open source cross platform web server security plugins... |
| 19:43:28 | sjansen | but the commercials ones sure do stink. |
| 19:47:46 | han_solo | levi: I had a question this morning for the ruby gurus on #ruby-lang that had to do with static vs. dynamic |
| 19:48:00 | han_solo | I wanted to define an interface and wondered how to do it in ruby |
| 19:48:19 | han_solo | i.e. in java you define an interface, in c++ you would make virtual functions in a superclass |
| 19:48:39 | han_solo | But in ruby you don't need to do any of that, just implement the interface. |
| 19:52:06 | levi | Yeah, it's all very... dynamic. :) |
| 20:05:31 | sjansen | So where can I learn a little about IRC culture and conventions? |
| 20:05:59 | sjansen | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:06:02 | sjansen | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 20:06:48 | scott | well, I think it's part of IRC culture not to using /away when you're leaving for 3 seconds :) |
| 20:06:50 | han_solo | ask here or google |
| 20:07:09 | sjansen | is playing with xchat during the lull |
| 20:07:28 | scott | anyone here happen to be a rebol user? |
| 20:07:36 | HarleyPig | sjansen: Try something. If you get k-lined you know you shouldn't do that. |
| 20:07:51 | HarleyPig | Wow. I haven't heard of rebol in a long time. |
| 20:08:03 | scott | I just started fiddling with it a few days ago and it's awesome, but for some reason there is not a single rebol IRC channel, despite every other language in the wrld haivng one |
| 20:08:15 | HarleyPig | Start one. |
| 20:08:38 | scott | it does me no good w/ one person, and I don't have time to wait for it to grow |
| 20:10:49 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 20:10:52 | HarleyPig | Sorry. |
| 20:11:02 | HarleyPig | I know there is a book out there somewhere for it. |
| 20:11:36 | Jayce^ | heads off for the game :D yes early, you know the crowds.. |
| 20:11:45 | HarleyPig | What game? |
| 20:11:48 | han_solo | puts nails in the road |
| 20:11:55 | Jayce^ | BYU vs. Syracuse |
| 20:12:03 | HarleyPig | Sorry. What sport? |
| 20:12:08 | Jayce^ | it's foo->ball season |
| 20:12:21 | HarleyPig | It is? Damn, I've lost track of the time. |
| 20:12:29 | han_solo | pity(foo); |
| 20:12:40 | HarleyPig | BYU has a foosball team? |
| 20:17:28 | sjansen | Oh, my. X-Chat has it's own builtin terminal. Now if only gnome-terminal could be embedded... |
| 20:17:43 | HarleyPig | ? How do you access it? |
| 20:18:10 | sjansen | X-Chat>New Shell Tab |
| 20:18:31 | sjansen | Don't know if you can do it as a /command yet. |
| 20:18:31 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... which version ar eyou running? |
| 20:18:55 | sjansen | 1.8.9, I think |
| 20:19:04 | han_solo | what's the point? |
| 20:19:17 | HarleyPig | Hrmf ... I'm running 1.8.10, I don't have that menu option. |
| 20:19:25 | HarleyPig | han_solo: None ... that's the point. |
| 20:19:26 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 20:19:43 | HarleyPig | Now we need to embed vim and we'll be set. |
| 20:19:44 | sjansen | Well, this is gentoo after all. Maybe it wasn't enabled when you version was compiled. |
| 20:19:54 | HarleyPig | I'm smgl. |
| 20:19:57 | sjansen | drools at the thought. |
| 20:19:59 | HarleyPig | I'm using smgl. |
| 20:20:14 | HarleyPig | I'll have to check |
| 20:20:55 | HarleyPig | What option did you have to use to get it going? |
| 20:22:18 | sjansen | All I did was emerge xchat. Or course, who know what use might have influnced it. |
| 20:22:28 | HarleyPig | Heh. |
| 20:22:30 | sjansen | wanders off to check the xchat.ebuild |
| 20:23:39 | sjansen | Looks like --enable-gnome does it. |
| 20:24:12 | sjansen | If gnome is turned off, then --disable-zvt is passed to config. IIRC, zvt is an embeddable term. |
| 20:26:16 | HarleyPig | Ah. |
| 20:26:30 | HarleyPig | Since I disabled gnome, that'd be why. |
| 20:26:32 | HarleyPig | Oh well. |
| 20:27:57 | sjansen | Disabled Gnome?! Blasphemy! |
| 20:28:15 | han_solo | prefers windowmaker |
| 20:29:10 | HarleyPig | :) I'm using icewm, and compiling kde as we speak. |
| 20:29:34 | sjansen | I'm leary of anything written in C++. |
| 20:30:09 | HarleyPig | *gasp* Heretic! |
| 20:30:15 | han_solo | I'm leary of anything that tries to be modular written in C |
| 20:30:18 | HarleyPig | I'm waiting for the perl kernel myself. |
| 20:30:30 | han_solo | kernel being an exception of course. :) |
| 20:30:44 | levi | C is perfectly capable of being modular. It's just messy when you try to be object-oriented. |
| 20:31:06 | han_solo | yes, I should have said oo |
| 20:31:10 | levi | But, you know, sometimes it's okay to not be object oriented. |
| 20:31:16 | han_solo | absolutely |
| 20:31:26 | han_solo | imho a gui toolkit is not the time to not be oo |
| 20:32:10 | levi | OO is definitely a good fit for gui toolkits. |
| 20:32:39 | levi | Except for our friend the fragile base class problem. |
| 20:33:09 | han_solo | well that's not precisely an oo problem - more an implementation of oo problem |
| 20:33:40 | levi | True. |
| 20:33:41 | sjansen | I'm all in favor of OO GUI. Especially if I don't have to use it. |
| 20:33:48 | sjansen | Server side for me, thank you. |
| 20:33:49 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 20:33:55 | han_solo | :) |
| 20:42:14 | byu_fan | FOX is a *great* gui toolkit that is OO |
| 20:42:45 | levi | Cocoa is a great gui toolkit that is OO. ;) |
| 20:42:46 | han_solo | byu_fan: when are you going to teach me fox? |
| 20:42:58 | byu_fan | uhmm... not tonight :) |
| 20:43:03 | byu_fan | whenever you want... |
| 20:43:08 | han_solo | c'mon. the game's not that importnat |
| 20:43:18 | han_solo | maybe if 428 gets boring... we could sit in the back |
| 20:43:20 | byu_fan | hah... I am listening to the pregame right now :) |
| 20:48:43 | sjansen | bye all |
| 21:10:08 | byu_fan | is away: watching BYU beat Syracuse :) |