| 12:41:56 | cpenguin_away | is back (gone 61:19:12) |
| 13:05:39 | | que tal, han_solo |
| 13:05:39 | han_solo | ibot, hello |
| 13:05:45 | han_solo | muy bien, y tu? |
| 14:46:13 | adv_neon | Hi y'all |
| 14:46:23 | han_solo | morning |
| 14:48:31 | han_solo | brailsmt: they added another 428 section |
| 15:05:10 | levi_ | good morning, all |
| 15:06:45 | adv_neon | good morning |
| 15:07:44 | Jayce^ | morn |
| 15:15:24 | levi_ | What's news? |
| 15:16:35 | Bradipo | News... |
| 15:16:49 | Bradipo | http://www.caldera.com/ |
| 15:17:19 | Bradipo | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CALD&d=v1 |
| 15:17:28 | Bradipo | 5 big announcements. |
| 15:17:32 | Bradipo | That's news for you. :-) |
| 15:18:20 | levi_ | Heh, my connection from home is still trying to stay connected. |
| 15:20:26 | levi_ | SCO Linux. That's funny. |
| 15:22:06 | Bradipo | lol |
| 15:24:41 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... they have managed to kill off any resemblance to a rising linux star of the early '90s eh? |
| 15:25:06 | Bradipo | Looks like it. |
| 15:26:00 | Bradipo | Who uses linux anyway? |
| 15:26:03 | Bradipo | ;-) |
| 15:27:38 | Bradipo | But then again, SCO Linux will really just be a release of UnitedLinux |
| 15:27:47 | Bradipo | With SCO addons. |
| 15:27:50 | levi_ | I remember the old SCO pumping out lots of anti-Linux propaganda in order for people to pay attention to them. I guess the 'brand name' is sort of like Amiga, except without the rabid fan base. |
| 15:28:00 | Bradipo | lol |
| 15:38:26 | han_solo | pokes brailsmt |
| 15:59:17 | brailsmt | pokes back |
| 16:01:40 | han_solo | hey brailsmt - I used your bnf |
| 16:01:53 | han_solo | syntax file that is, but I had to change a couple of lines |
| 16:02:19 | han_solo | from hard-coded colors (that stuck out in desert) to hi link ... Special |
| 16:05:20 | brailsmt | han_solo: yeah, I didn't make it very portable, I need to change that... did it work for you other than that? |
| 16:05:37 | han_solo | yeah. I didn't put it through too many paces but it seemed to be doing fine |
| 16:05:50 | han_solo | i only changed those two lines, and I was happy |
| 16:06:01 | brailsmt | good, I haven't had any feedback from it... |
| 16:06:04 | brailsmt | which ones? |
| 16:06:43 | brailsmt | it is a pretty simple/small syntax file... |
| 16:06:55 | han_solo | "hi bnfOr ctermfg=1 gui=bold guifg=red |
| 16:06:56 | han_solo | hi link bnfOr Special |
| 16:06:56 | han_solo | and |
| 16:07:04 | han_solo | "hi bnfTerminalRangeDelim guifg=yellow gui=bold |
| 16:07:04 | han_solo | hi link bnfTerminalRangeDelim Special |
| 16:32:55 | han_solo | hmm, there's a gnucash-sql package in unstable. "adds SQL support (using postgresql) to the gnucash package" |
| 16:32:56 | han_solo | that'll be fun to try |
| 16:37:39 | brailsmt | han_solo: you use gnucash? how is it? |
| 16:37:46 | han_solo | it's great |
| 16:37:57 | han_solo | I've used it for a couple of years now for my finances |
| 16:38:27 | brailsmt | really? I've just been using gnumeric... :) |
| 16:38:33 | han_solo | installing on redhat was no easy task. that's why my jaw fell off when I did apt-get install gnucash |
| 16:38:42 | han_solo | that's when I knew debian was cool :) |
| 16:38:43 | brailsmt | maybe I'll install it |
| 16:39:29 | brailsmt | hi link bnfOr PreProc |
| 16:39:29 | brailsmt | hi bnfOr gui=bold |
| 16:39:29 | brailsmt | hi link bnfTerminalRangeDelim statement |
| 16:39:29 | brailsmt | hi bnfTerminal guifg=cyan ctermfg=cyan |
| 16:39:44 | brailsmt | put those in bnf.vim and lemme know what you think... |
| 16:39:56 | han_solo | i think it's ridiculous as far as the code goes - so many crazy dependencies etc.. but as far as using it it's great |
| 16:40:16 | han_solo | i can tell you now I won't like it :) |
| 16:40:29 | han_solo | maybe lines 1 and 3 |
| 16:40:52 | brailsmt | oops, I forgot to change bnfTerminal... |
| 16:41:58 | han_solo | don't like the bol |
| 16:41:59 | han_solo | d |
| 16:46:04 | han_solo | i found an ebnf iso standard |
| 16:46:12 | han_solo | might be fun to write a syntax file for |
| 16:49:22 | brailsmt | where? |
| 16:50:58 | han_solo | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-ebnf.html |
| 18:27:14 | dingleberry | hello all |
| 18:27:24 | dingleberry | I had a question about the netstat -rn command |
| 18:27:28 | dingleberry | can anyone help? |
| 18:27:37 | BZFlag | sup? |
| 18:27:55 | dingleberry | basically I run that command |
| 18:27:58 | dingleberry | get this output |
| 18:27:59 | dingleberry | 9.17.220/23 192.168.129.2 UG 26 172631 en1 - - |
| 18:28:08 | dingleberry | well actually much more output |
| 18:28:12 | dingleberry | but that is one example |
| 18:28:19 | BZFlag | ok, and? |
| 18:28:24 | dingleberry | the first column is distination |
| 18:28:35 | dingleberry | I don't understand what the /23 means |
| 18:28:47 | dingleberry | and I don't under stand what the thrid column UG means |
| 18:28:49 | BZFlag | that's a cidr mask. that means: |
| 18:29:09 | BZFlag | 9.17.220.23 netmask 255.255.254.0 |
| 18:29:33 | BZFlag | ie: 23 bits of network, and 9 for nodes. |
| 18:29:54 | dingleberry | so basically |
| 18:30:00 | dingleberry | we are talking a subnet |
| 18:30:01 | dingleberry | ? |
| 18:30:36 | BZFlag | yes, in this case a class C network plus one bit. could also be referred to as a supernet, but... |
| 18:31:53 | BZFlag | yes, in this case a class C network plus one bit. could also be referred to as a supernet, but since it's in the class A address space, calling it a subnet is correct. |
| 18:31:55 | dingleberry | sorry |
| 18:31:58 | dingleberry | didn't mean to log all the way off |
| 18:32:07 | BZFlag | np |
| 18:32:13 | dingleberry | one other question |
| 18:32:15 | dingleberry | if that is ok |
| 18:32:19 | BZFlag | hit me. |
| 18:32:29 | dingleberry | THat thrid column says UG |
| 18:32:35 | dingleberry | which when I looked it up on the web |
| 18:32:38 | dingleberry | was a flag |
| 18:32:42 | dingleberry | what does that mean exactly? |
| 18:33:15 | BZFlag | see "man route" on a real OS. ;-) U = up, G = uses a gateway etc. |
| 18:33:32 | dingleberry | ah |
| 18:33:43 | dingleberry | I tried doing a man netstat |
| 18:33:49 | dingleberry | but it doesn't explain that at all |
| 18:34:46 | BZFlag | nope netstat(8) on my os refers to route(8) ;-) |
| 18:35:12 | dingleberry | I guess should start paying more attention to the other suggestions at bottom of man page |
| 18:35:18 | dingleberry | BZFlag: Thanks!!!! |
| 18:35:19 | BZFlag | heh ;-) |
| 18:35:25 | BZFlag | np. |
| 19:11:32 | brailsmt | just finished mapping esc to caps-lock... :) |
| 19:13:23 | Jayce^ | he's here, but he's AWAY |
| 19:14:25 | levi_ | He hath gone AWAY |
| 19:15:46 | Jayce^ | or is he only half away :D |
| 19:24:22 | levi_ | Or, if he hath AWAY, he is in posession of AWAY, which must be an acronym for something cool. |
| 19:24:27 | Jayce^ | goodbye caldera.. |
| 19:24:33 | Jayce^ | true.. |
| 19:25:05 | levi_ | Yeah, I was remarking on the caldera name change earlier. Like, what were they thinking? |
| 19:25:29 | Jayce^ | desperation? |
| 19:26:23 | Jayce^ | so caldera starts united linux, and immediately changes it's name.. hrmm.. |
| 19:26:28 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, and changed bosses |
| 19:28:16 | levi_ | . o O ( Oh no, we're sinking, what shall we do? Oh, I know... let's take this piddly has-been UNIX company we bought and give ourselves its name, because hey, they used to sell stuff that people paid money for! ) |
| 19:28:28 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 19:29:45 | levi_ | . o O ( And we can pretend that Lindon is really Santa Cruz! ) |
| 19:30:08 | Jayce^ | umm.. yeah, real similar there. |
| 19:41:13 | Jayce^ | oops.. get rid of that caldera url :D |
| 19:41:26 | WoodsDog | :) |
| 19:44:28 | CosmicPenguin | Thats freaky... |
| 19:49:38 | han_solo | what is? |
| 19:50:02 | Bradipo | This is the #utah channel, not the Caldera channel. :-) |
| 19:50:18 | Bradipo | Interesting comments on the /. article though. |
| 19:51:03 | bbeattie | The more I read slashdot, the more I realize that most people posting do it only to be seen, and often have biast and incorrect posts. |
| 19:51:23 | Bradipo | Agreed. |
| 19:51:56 | Bradipo | The only reason why I read /. anymore is to find good links to *real* news sources. |
| 20:31:56 | han_solo | is there something I can have the c pre-processor check for that will tell me whether I'm running in linux or windows? |
| 20:39:05 | brailsmt | han_solo: #ifdef __linux |
| 20:40:02 | brailsmt | i am not sure of the windows one... |
| 20:41:53 | brailsmt | sorry... it is __linux__ |
| 20:42:22 | CosmicPenguin | I guess you could also look for the CYGWIN flag (if you are compiling with gcc on Windoze) |
| 20:43:50 | brailsmt | yeah, that is with gcc/g++ |
| 20:45:42 | brailsmt | i think with msvc++ it is "#ifdef MS_RULES" and "#ifdef NOT_MS"... |
| 20:45:45 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:46:46 | brailsmt | han_solo: you could look at the source code for any app that compiles on both OSes and find out |
| 20:47:12 | brailsmt | vim comes to mind :) |
| 20:48:50 | han_solo | I think in windows it is #ifdef WORLD_DOMINATION |
| 21:05:09 | CosmicPenguin | actually, its #ifndef WORLD_DOMINATION #define EMBRACE_EXTEND |
| 21:18:17 | brailsmt | MS's definition of 'embrace' is more like 'strangle' to the rest of us... |
| 21:24:08 | bbeattie | *ponderes microsoft translation dictionary* embrace=strange help=betray improve=make proprietary fix=cover up developed=steal |
| 21:25:57 | brailsmt | innovation=purchase |
| 21:26:24 | brailsmt | product activation=spying |
| 21:26:44 | CosmicPenguin | Bah.... making fun of microsoft is like shooting fish in a barrel |
| 21:27:09 | brailsmt | its fun isn't it? |
| 21:27:17 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:28:05 | brailsmt | released a patch to fix a security hole=we've known about it for years, we just now got around to fixing it.... |
| 21:28:29 | brailsmt | competition=<flips the bird> |
| 21:28:34 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:52:57 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |