| 03:55:28 | Bradipo | What's going on in India? |
| 03:56:30 | BZFlagIndia | traffic? ;-) tomorrow is independance day here. |
| 03:56:47 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 03:56:49 | Bradipo | What time is it there? |
| 04:01:03 | BZFlagIndia | Wed Aug 14 10:36:45 IST 2002 |
| 04:15:52 | Jayce^ | you traveling Tim? |
| 04:18:29 | Jayce^ | woohoo.. the lessig keynote is online now.. gotta use this for a PLUG meeting. |
| 09:27:49 | BZFlagIndia | Jayce^: yep. I'm in Bangalore India at present. |
| 09:28:09 | BZFlagIndia | course Jayce^ is probably sleeping by now. ;-) |
| 14:51:37 | han_solo | morning |
| 14:53:24 | Jayce^ | morn |
| 15:00:20 | han_solo | jayce^, just the one I wanted to talk to |
| 15:00:36 | Jayce^ | uh-oh |
| 15:03:30 | han_solo | you do a little with soap, that's all... :) So I want the native code and the java code to communicate bidirectionally, but I don't see how that works with SOAP or XML-RPC. |
| 15:04:10 | han_solo | any insights? |
| 15:04:43 | Jayce^ | the "native code" being the one making the soap call to the java program? |
| 15:06:41 | han_solo | for example, java code (the gui client) requests data from the native code (the 'database'), but I would also like to have the native code send messages to the java code, such as "things have changed, refresh" |
| 15:07:24 | Jayce^ | oh, pushing... it doesn't do that specifically.. it's not a continuing connection.. |
| 15:07:53 | Jayce^ | basically the 'db' in this case would have to register the ip of the client, then make a soap call the other way.. |
| 15:08:06 | Jayce^ | no pushing.. it's a pretty simple client-server protocol |
| 15:08:23 | han_solo | uh huh. |
| 15:10:03 | han_solo | well initially at least everything is on the same box |
| 15:10:31 | han_solo | maybe I need to look at CORBA |
| 15:10:39 | Jayce^ | then each one would have to be a soap server, on different port or protocols.. |
| 15:10:50 | Jayce^ | otherwise have the client perform a lookup/poll |
| 15:10:56 | Jayce^ | corba is a beast.. |
| 15:13:09 | han_solo | it looks like one. |
| 15:14:05 | han_solo | maybe have some sort of dispatcher that keeps a connection open with client and server |
| 15:18:03 | Jayce^ | soap calls (expecially in perl I know) are so lightweight, that doing a poll isn't very much |
| 15:25:50 | han_solo | yeah |
| 16:34:15 | han_solo | just curious - how many here use the desert gui colorscheme in vim? |
| 16:34:37 | Jayce^ | desert gui? |
| 16:35:06 | Jayce^ | never played with colorschemes... outside of syntax color.. |
| 16:35:30 | Jayce^ | coool!! |
| 16:36:17 | han_solo | coool!! ? |
| 16:37:42 | Jayce^ | schemes... playing with them now.. |
| 16:37:50 | han_solo | yeah, they're really cool |
| 16:37:52 | Jayce^ | don't see a desert gui option though |
| 16:41:34 | han_solo | it's not included in vim itself, you can get it at http://vim.sourceforge.net/script_search.php?keywords=&script_type=color+scheme&order_by=rating&direction=descending&search=search (and others) |
| 17:26:22 | Jayce^ | they need shots of these. |
| 17:29:28 | Jayce^ | oceandeep is very nice.. |
| 17:30:03 | Jayce^ | your desert is good too |
| 17:34:56 | han_solo | yeah I like oceandeep too. didn't brailsmt write that one? |
| 17:35:32 | Jayce^ | Tom Regner.. if that's his real name.. |
| 17:48:14 | han_solo | oh I got confused. I think brailsmt wrote midnight blue |
| 17:48:50 | han_solo | maybe he'll wake up soon and tell us. :0 |
| 18:09:11 | Jayce^ | now how do you pronounce that nick? |
| 18:09:34 | wopwppw | my nick? |
| 18:09:38 | wopwppw | oh I change immediately |
| 18:09:47 | hathawsh | How do you pronounce "^"? ;-) |
| 18:10:04 | Jayce^ | hehe.. it's a pascal pointer :D |
| 19:01:13 | han_solo | a pascal pointer? |
| 19:01:16 | han_solo | whatever for? |
| 19:01:21 | han_solo | why not $Jayce ? |
| 19:04:35 | brailsmt | dsdrfnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn hh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhe;el;dfd; -sdyeah |
| 19:04:37 | brailsmt | haha... |
| 19:04:42 | brailsmt | that was my kids... |
| 19:05:05 | brailsmt | yeah, I write the midnight colorscheme for vim |
| 19:05:37 | han_solo | does anyone have any spam in their inbox right now? |
| 19:05:54 | brailsmt | no |
| 19:06:07 | brailsmt | but I have a *big* .procmailrc |
| 19:06:08 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:06:32 | brailsmt | here is a good procmail recipe to get rid of most spam |
| 19:06:34 | han_solo | do you just drop it or store it somewhere? I need someone to bounce a spam message to me |
| 19:06:44 | brailsmt | :0: |
| 19:06:56 | brailsmt | * ^content-type:.*text/html |
| 19:06:57 | han_solo | spam |
| 19:07:00 | brailsmt | /dev/null |
| 19:07:08 | han_solo | lol. hey that's a great idea |
| 19:07:17 | brailsmt | all my spam goes to /dev/null |
| 19:07:53 | han_solo | whatabout your grandma jones that sends you html email but doesn't know better? |
| 19:07:53 | brailsmt | would bouncing spam be a better idea? does bouncing spam piss off the spammers? |
| 19:08:14 | han_solo | well I need it bounced to me so I can try out my new procmail rule |
| 19:08:23 | han_solo | which uses razor |
| 19:08:30 | brailsmt | what is razor? |
| 19:08:47 | brailsmt | you the one that submitted the thesis thing to the ML? |
| 19:08:57 | brailsmt | it was ruby i noticed :) |
| 19:09:07 | han_solo | heh, no that was mhalcrow |
| 19:09:15 | han_solo | good to see some ruby out there |
| 19:09:18 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 19:09:22 | han_solo | vipul's razor |
| 19:09:46 | brailsmt | Intel was looking for ruby/perl programmers a while back |
| 19:09:54 | brailsmt | that was cool |
| 19:10:25 | brailsmt | the more I use ruby, the more I like it |
| 19:12:05 | brailsmt | i need to teach myself FOX/Ruby |
| 19:12:22 | han_solo | FOX? |
| 19:12:56 | brailsmt | anyway... speaking of ruby, now that summer term is over, I think I am gonna work on my C++ header creation utility (which is in ruby of course) |
| 19:13:07 | brailsmt | FOX is a gui toolkit |
| 19:13:28 | han_solo | what are its benefits? |
| 19:13:51 | brailsmt | well, I have never written a gui in C++ except with FOX, and it seemed nice |
| 19:13:51 | han_solo | tell me more about your header creator |
| 19:14:07 | brailsmt | www.sf.net/projects/cheddar |
| 19:14:18 | brailsmt | been dead for a long time |
| 19:14:41 | brailsmt | I have gui exp in Java Swing, ruby/tk, and FOX |
| 19:14:43 | han_solo | cool |
| 19:14:52 | brailsmt | FOX seemed nice |
| 19:15:00 | han_solo | I have gui exp in qt and slightly in swing |
| 19:15:01 | brailsmt | no callbacks in the usual sense |
| 19:15:32 | brailsmt | everything in FOX is OO, I really liked it, you can also "tie" a variable to a widget |
| 19:15:55 | brailsmt | so you don't have to write code to update a variable when the widget is changed, and vice-versa |
| 19:16:10 | han_solo | cool. |
| 19:16:11 | brailsmt | ie, scrollbars, sliders, radio buttons, etc... |
| 19:16:31 | han_solo | is ruby/FOX fairly established? |
| 19:16:46 | brailsmt | far more so the ruby/qt :) |
| 19:17:19 | brailsmt | yeah, FXRuby and ruby/gtk are probably the most commonly used gui toolkits used in ruby |
| 19:17:28 | brailsmt | FXRuby == ruby/FOX |
| 19:17:57 | brailsmt | but FXRuby is not as clear as ruby/FOX |
| 19:18:04 | brailsmt | anyway.... |
| 20:04:55 | han_solo | so fall semester's coming up |
| 20:05:10 | brailsmt | yup, in a few weeks |
| 20:05:17 | han_solo | what are you taking? |
| 20:05:41 | brailsmt | I don't I am gonna change it... |
| 20:05:53 | brailsmt | err...I don't know... |
| 20:06:14 | han_solo | :) |
| 20:06:22 | brailsmt | i think 431, 460, and 455, but those are just what I can think off the top of my head |
| 20:06:36 | han_solo | haven't registered? |
| 20:08:30 | brailsmt | no, I have, I just haven't looked at it in a few months |
| 20:09:04 | han_solo | oic |
| 20:09:43 | brailsmt | hah, I remembered pretty poorly |
| 20:09:58 | brailsmt | I am in 428, 452, and 455 |
| 20:10:08 | han_solo | ah, I'm in 428 too |
| 20:10:20 | han_solo | and 470 and 404 |
| 20:10:26 | brailsmt | cool, I think I am gonna drop a class |
| 20:10:55 | brailsmt | i think I am gonna have to drop 452 |
| 20:11:13 | han_solo | i'm planning on taking 460 and 452 next sem. |
| 20:11:18 | brailsmt | i don't really care to take it anyway, and it clashes with my wife's schedule |
| 20:11:57 | brailsmt | I want to take 431, but Dr. Hayes is the only one teaching it, and I don't like Dr. Hayes teaching style (or lack thereof) |
| 20:12:11 | han_solo | isn't he close to retirement? |
| 20:12:19 | brailsmt | yeah, like a year or something |
| 20:12:31 | han_solo | I want to squeeze it in if I can, but I'd rather have 452 and 460 |
| 20:13:09 | brailsmt | unfortunately BYU doesn't have many electives for the area I want to study most, which is software engineering |
| 20:13:19 | brailsmt | only 428 and one other 500 level course |
| 20:13:50 | brailsmt | i am gonna have to go to grad school to get software engineering stuff |
| 20:21:26 | brailsmt | man, looking at this 6 month old code of mine, I must've put some real thought into it... :) |
| 20:21:51 | han_solo | why, cuz it makes sense? :) |
| 20:22:49 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 20:23:04 | brailsmt | and I even still like the design thus far... |
| 20:24:32 | brailsmt | you know one of my favorite things about ruby is irb |
| 20:24:54 | han_solo | yeah, it's like the good ol' days of turtle |
| 20:25:07 | brailsmt | I can't even begin to count the times that I have asked myself "I wonder how this works?" and then I try it out in irb in about a minute |
| 20:25:36 | brailsmt | as opposed to a compiled language where you have to finish coding it up, and then compile and see if it works the way you want |
| 20:26:03 | han_solo | or at the very least code up a short test |
| 20:26:18 | han_solo | and type out the compile line by hand. :) |
| 20:26:22 | brailsmt | which takes a lot more time |
| 21:28:18 | brailsmt | i just got xscorch... ahhh, the memories... |
| 21:28:50 | han_solo | heh. I loved scorch |
| 21:29:21 | brailsmt | you know you can play xscorch over a network :) |
| 21:29:32 | brailsmt | chaos2.org/xscorch |
| 21:29:41 | brailsmt | *hint* *hint* |
| 21:29:42 | han_solo | I already have it installed. too bad I'm at work |
| 21:29:42 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:29:57 | brailsmt | shucks... |
| 21:31:49 | han_solo | but I'll take you up sometime :) |
| 21:32:37 | brailsmt | great, these computers suck... |
| 21:33:58 | han_solo | too easy, or too hard? :) |
| 21:34:05 | han_solo | you like risk? |
| 21:34:20 | brailsmt | too easy |
| 21:34:33 | brailsmt | me v 5 insanity cpu and I get bored... |
| 21:34:48 | brailsmt | yeah i do |
| 21:34:50 | brailsmt | chess too |
| 21:35:08 | han_solo | i remember sitting down to a good game of scorch with my brothers and/or friends |
| 21:35:13 | han_solo | we'd have about 6 players |
| 21:35:38 | han_solo | xfrisk is a functional risk game, networked |
| 21:36:16 | han_solo | my bro and I are thinking of writing a network risk game with a better UI (probably in ruby at least partially) |
| 21:37:48 | brailsmt | i would go to freinds houses and spend the night playing scorch, and risk... those were the days, I had lucky dice and all... |
| 22:29:11 | Jayce^ | man, I'll have to play you sometime... it's beena while.. |
| 22:30:06 | brailsmt | scorch or risk? |
| 22:30:56 | Jayce^ | scorch.. |
| 22:31:09 | Jayce^ | risk is a wussie game compared to axis and allies :D |
| 22:31:11 | brailsmt | you busy now? :) |
| 22:31:14 | brailsmt | agreed |
| 22:31:32 | Jayce^ | yeah, I am :( otherwise I'd be playing.. |
| 22:31:40 | han_solo | ah axis and allies |
| 22:32:05 | han_solo | I'd play if there were a computer version. I'm not patient enough to wait for all the piece-counting et.c |
| 22:32:14 | Jayce^ | yeah, that would be nice.. |
| 22:32:14 | brailsmt | I played risk until i discovered axis and allies |
| 22:32:44 | han_solo | you can play risk in a fairly short time (esp. a computer version) but not axis and allies |
| 22:34:05 | brailsmt | i used to go to a friends house and play A&A and watch monty python... (on a Sunday... shhh!!) |
| 22:34:07 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. |
| 22:34:30 | Jayce^ | we'd do the same.. start friday or saturrday.. end sometime that next week :D |
| 22:34:54 | brailsmt | we would always finish in one afternoon, sometimes we would play 2-3/day |
| 22:35:24 | han_solo | axis and allies games? |
| 22:35:32 | Jayce^ | wow.. |
| 22:35:35 | han_solo | how in the world can you finish in one day even? |
| 22:35:36 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 22:35:45 | brailsmt | they only take 3-4 hours... |
| 22:35:48 | Jayce^ | it takes a day just to set up the #$# board |
| 22:39:11 | Jayce^ | dont' forget folks.. PLUG meeting tonight... 7:30 |
| 22:39:37 | brailsmt | can't make it, i never can :( |
| 22:39:50 | Jayce^ | hoser |
| 22:39:51 | brailsmt | my wife works from 5:00 - 10:00 |
| 22:39:57 | brailsmt | and I have to watch the kids |
| 22:40:15 | brailsmt | unless you don't mind some hyperactive kids |
| 22:41:02 | Jayce^ | well, dan brings his kids all the time.. |
| 22:41:34 | brailsmt | i am afraid to bring mine, my 4 year old is a rambunctious nuclear power plant |
| 22:41:38 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:41:39 | Jayce^ | thayne's brought his too.. |
| 22:41:47 | Jayce^ | heck, even my devil came once.. |
| 22:42:48 | brailsmt | i still can't make it tonight my wife has a soccer scrimmage till 8-5:30 |
| 22:42:54 | brailsmt | s/5/8 |
| 22:43:19 | brailsmt | are the meetings weekly? |
| 22:43:44 | Jayce^ | monthly |
| 22:44:27 | brailsmt | i would like to go to the next one, I think i try bringing my kids to the next one... |
| 22:47:03 | Jayce^ | yeah, next month is supposed to be our panel of MTA's.. |
| 22:49:28 | han_solo | i don't think I'll go because my day-long headache is getting larger. :( |
| 22:49:48 | han_solo | I'll probably go home and eat and curl up with a good wife and/or The Silmarillion |
| 22:52:06 | Jayce^ | needs to read the SIlmarillion again.. it's been a looong time.. |
| 22:52:27 | Jayce^ | mysql optimizations ... good stuff.. |