| 00:10:33 | brailsmt | where in utah? I need someone to ride with |
| 00:10:40 | brailsmt | I'm in provo |
| 00:11:02 | brailsmt | and when homework allows, I am an avid mountain biker |
| 00:19:18 | levi_ | Sweet. There are a lot of trails around Provo. |
| 00:19:41 | levi_ | I'm in Sandy now. |
| 00:19:57 | levi_ | Have you seen utahmountainbiking.com? |
| 00:20:15 | brailsmt | all the time |
| 00:20:27 | brailsmt | I link to it from my student page |
| 00:20:32 | levi_ | Ahh, cool. |
| 00:20:46 | levi_ | So you know where to go, you just need someone to ride with. :) |
| 00:21:27 | brailsmt | there are trails that I would like to ride, but going solo gives me the eeby-jeebies, especially on new trails :) |
| 00:22:05 | brailsmt | I would like to ride Ridge 157, for one |
| 00:22:22 | levi_ | Cool. I have a hard time finding people who want to ride trails that actually go uphill in the dirt. :) |
| 00:22:32 | brailsmt | I have ridden parts of it, but I want to ride more of it |
| 00:22:38 | brailsmt | me too |
| 00:23:02 | brailsmt | my wife is actually beginning to show a little interest in trails... that makes me happy :) |
| 00:23:07 | levi_ | Woo! |
| 00:23:21 | brailsmt | i figure maybe next year she will want to ride trails |
| 00:23:43 | brailsmt | no need to rush her, I have a whole lifetime with her :) |
| 00:23:49 | brailsmt | anyway... |
| 00:24:24 | brailsmt | I dream about riding ridge 157 from the Alpine loop to Alta (i think it ends at alta) |
| 00:24:41 | brailsmt | but that is 40+ miles, and I am not even close to being in shape for it |
| 00:25:11 | levi_ | I rode the Great Western Trail from Timpooneke to Provo Canyon, then down to the house I lived at by the Provo River. That was quite a ride. |
| 00:25:19 | brailsmt | another dream ride is the west face of timp, I don't know the trail name, but it is like 14 miles |
| 00:25:27 | brailsmt | thats the one |
| 00:25:35 | levi_ | Well, rode/hiked. I was seriously wasted about halfway through it. :) |
| 00:25:42 | brailsmt | it has like 3600 ft vertical climb and a few hike-a-bikes |
| 00:26:24 | brailsmt | the toughest trail I have ridden thus far is the Deer Creek South Fork loop |
| 00:26:31 | brailsmt | and that is not that bad |
| 00:26:38 | levi_ | I drank over 2 liters of water and ate a couple of power bars during the ride, and promptly downed a decent sized bottle of gatorade and a nice sandwich at the convenience store at the mouth of the canyon. |
| 00:27:02 | brailsmt | you a student at BYU? |
| 00:27:48 | levi_ | Used to be. |
| 00:29:08 | brailsmt | oh well, busy Saturday? :) |
| 00:29:36 | brailsmt | my wife has soccer practice until about 11-12, after that I am itching to go |
| 00:30:13 | levi_ | I don't think I have any plans this saturday yet. Where do you want to go? |
| 00:30:46 | brailsmt | anywhere... |
| 00:31:08 | brailsmt | I would like to try out some things on Mt Nebo, but that is a *long* drive for you |
| 00:31:08 | levi_ | You ever ride Lambert Park? |
| 00:31:16 | brailsmt | lambert park in alpine? |
| 00:31:19 | levi_ | Yeah. |
| 00:31:21 | brailsmt | by that rodeo |
| 00:31:29 | levi_ | I guess you have. :) |
| 00:31:31 | brailsmt | yeah I've ridden it once |
| 00:31:38 | brailsmt | but we went the wrong way |
| 00:31:45 | levi_ | Oops. |
| 00:32:04 | brailsmt | imagine weaving through all those trees as fast as you can... |
| 00:32:10 | levi_ | Well, there are miles and miles of different trails winding around in there. |
| 00:32:26 | brailsmt | really? |
| 00:32:43 | brailsmt | doesn't one of them go from alpine to corner canyon? |
| 00:32:47 | levi_ | A friend's parents live there, and we'd ride those trails all the time. |
| 00:33:00 | levi_ | That's a different one, the Hog Hollow trail. |
| 00:33:18 | brailsmt | I rode lambert park last November |
| 00:33:19 | levi_ | You'd have to ride on some paved roads to connect them, I think. |
| 00:33:42 | levi_ | There are some new trails there since then, actually. |
| 00:34:06 | levi_ | There's always new stuff going on there. That's where Bruce of UMB.com lives. |
| 00:34:09 | brailsmt | that was also before I got my full suspension rig, and 100mm travel fork :) |
| 00:34:31 | brailsmt | so the trail would ride totally differently |
| 00:34:46 | brailsmt | ie, faster :) |
| 00:36:03 | levi_ | Well, it's a pretty smooth trail in the really fast bits. I got a lot faster on it when I got my full-suspension bike last year, but that's mainly because it fit me a lot better than my previous bike. |
| 00:38:37 | brailsmt | at lambert park i really liked that downhill section just west of the rodeo, that has those berms... that was fun! |
| 00:39:17 | levi_ | Oh yeah. That's one of the best parts. :) |
| 00:39:54 | levi_ | There's another one kind of like that a bit farther south. I don't know my way around all the trails there too well, as I usually followed, but there's some great uphill and downhill stuff. |
| 00:40:35 | levi_ | There's a new trail called Spring that goes higher up the hill and rejoins the rodeo grounds by coming down by the water tower there. |
| 00:41:20 | levi_ | It's got this nice uphill stretch that is just about my endurance limit right now, followed by some crazy downhill stuff and dropping you off right next to that bit you talked about. |
| 00:44:22 | levi_ | Anyway, drop me an email, levi@cold.org, and we can arrange a ride. I've got to go now. |
| 00:44:23 | brailsmt | sounds good, I am really way out of shape |
| 00:44:28 | brailsmt | ok |
| 00:44:41 | levi_ | Seeya later! |
| 00:44:59 | brailsmt | see ya |
| 13:10:59 | han_solo | has pity on BZFlagModem |
| 14:31:09 | han_solo | fantasizes of using nautilus without gnome |
| 14:32:06 | Jayce^ | cringes at the thought of nautilus |
| 14:32:48 | han_solo | anybody know any good graphical file managers that aren't dependent on a specific window manager or desktop? because sometimes you just gotta use ctrl-click and shift-click to make life easy. |
| 14:33:41 | levi_ | I've heard good things about rox filer, but I haven't used it myself. |
| 14:44:30 | han_solo | that looks promising. what I'd _really_ like is a file manager like NeXT/OS X |
| 14:45:02 | han_solo | and lightweight - i.e. I don't care for previewing or launching or any of that, I just want to move files. |
| 14:45:25 | levi_ | GNUStep hasn't come up with a filemanager yet? |
| 14:45:47 | han_solo | not that I've seen, and I use windowmaker almost exclusively. |
| 14:46:53 | han_solo | i'm looking at their site again, maybe I missed. (I was younger then. :) |
| 14:48:22 | levi_ | I was looking for a NeXT-like fm the other day, but didn't find anything. |
| 14:53:27 | han_solo | http://www.gnustep.it/enrico/gworkspace/ |
| 14:53:32 | han_solo | but I can't figure out how to install it |
| 14:56:26 | levi_ | Oh yeah, I've seen that before. I wonder if it's still maintained. |
| 15:00:50 | han_solo | well I can't figure out how to install it in redhat, but as usual it's cake in debian |
| 15:14:47 | levi_ | Yay for Debian! |
| 15:15:59 | han_solo | levi did I ever tell you how I got started with debian? |
| 15:16:29 | levi_ | No... do tell. |
| 15:17:14 | han_solo | I was installing a server at work, and lo and behold redhat wouldn't grok it. (turned out to be something in the installation kernel, I don't remember what) |
| 15:17:37 | han_solo | So, lacking other options I pulled out the debian CD you had burned for me (gave it to me in class once, remember?) and slapped it on. |
| 15:17:55 | han_solo | I had tried a debian install once before, when I knew less, and was put off by dselect. |
| 15:18:24 | han_solo | this time I liked the install, especially once it was installed and all of a sudden I didn't have to do any additional configurations (like I do on redhat) |
| 15:18:47 | han_solo | and then when I learned apt-get... it was all over. |
| 15:18:48 | levi_ | Wait a sec, who are you? I didn't know I knew you. :) |
| 15:18:53 | han_solo | Hans Fugal |
| 15:18:59 | levi_ | Aaaaaah, okay. |
| 15:20:16 | levi_ | I think dselect was much more useful back in the early days of Debian, when there weren't thousands upon thousands of pacakges to wade through. |
| 15:21:22 | han_solo | yeah. it can still be useful but the interface is terrible. I much prefer aptitude, and it is very useful |
| 15:25:30 | han_solo | not usually quite as useful as apt-cache search though. :) |
| 15:28:09 | levi_ | I do like how dselect takes 'suggested' packages into account, though. |
| 15:28:52 | han_solo | yeah, I like to pull up dselect on install (and quit right out) so the suggested get selected. I think aptitude does the same thing |
| 15:33:31 | levi_ | I haven't played with aptitude in a while. Nor dselect, for that matter. |
| 16:14:58 | Mecworks | Hey Brandon |
| 16:34:12 | han_solo | Jayce^, why can't mutt ever find your pgp key? |
| 16:35:21 | Jayce^ | no idea... I've added it to the servers. |
| 16:40:52 | han_solo | weird. I pointed gnupg at pgp.mit.edu and it went away |
| 16:41:03 | han_solo | (was using keyserver.net) |
| 16:42:34 | Jayce^ | ahh.. I used mit |
| 16:42:43 | Jayce^ | I thought they worked together.. |
| 16:43:22 | han_solo | i thought that was the idea too |
| 16:50:43 | han_solo | gpg? |
| 16:50:48 | | han_solo: wish i knew |
| 16:50:48 | han_solo | ibot gpg? |
| 16:50:54 | | no idea, han_solo |
| 16:50:54 | han_solo | ibot pgp? |
| 16:51:02 | han_solo | smart bot |
| 16:51:11 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 16:51:27 | | han_solo: i'm not following you... |
| 16:51:27 | han_solo | ibot search slashdot |
| 16:51:37 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-07 17:34:51 | Linux Sales Down, But... | More on the Effect of Digital TV | Ibiblio Director Paul Jones Answers | Trident Back From the Dead |
| 16:51:37 | han_solo | ibot slashdot? |
| 17:17:25 | scohoser | Howdy all. |
| 17:17:31 | han_solo | hi |
| 17:18:22 | scohoser | Well, I should have gotten the mac. I got the Toshiba (it was cheaper), and I can't install Linux on it.. |
| 17:18:30 | scohoser | At least not X... |
| 17:18:31 | han_solo | doh. why not? |
| 17:19:08 | scohoser | It doesn't support either the built-in NIC (not a real bad deal), and it doesn't support my video chipset |
| 17:19:32 | han_solo | XFree86 doesn't support it at all? |
| 17:19:41 | han_solo | not even in a less-than-spiffy mode? |
| 17:20:09 | scohoser | Nope. It crashed when I tried to configure it in every possible mode I could think of. |
| 17:20:19 | han_solo | what chipset? |
| 17:20:25 | scohoser | It doesn't like the CyberALADDIN-T chipset.. |
| 17:20:56 | scothoser | that is better.. |
| 17:21:23 | scothoser | But all is not lost! Now I can justify installing Linux on my workstation at work.. |
| 17:21:30 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 17:21:32 | han_solo | :) |
| 17:22:48 | scothoser | Still.. two days of fighting with Linux on this beast.. If it wasn't such a nice beast, I would have taken it back. |
| 17:23:07 | han_solo | what xfree version? |
| 17:23:18 | scothoser | Version 4.2.0 |
| 17:23:56 | scothoser | At least I have something to play Neverwinter Nights.. (since they still haven't released the Linux client). |
| 17:24:33 | levi_ | Have you been able to get framebuffer support to work? |
| 17:25:46 | han_solo | what is this neverwinter thing anyway? (you're talking to someone who just a couple of weeks ago decided to play freecraft, and is borrowing starcraft today) |
| 17:26:41 | scothoser | Neverwinter Nights is a game that is a lot like Baulders Gate (same company). |
| 17:26:51 | scothoser | RPG adventure game |
| 17:27:19 | scothoser | But it is also networked like EverCrack or Ultima Online. |
| 17:27:50 | han_solo | RPG as in like good ol' spacequest? |
| 17:28:11 | scothoser | ^_^ Kind of, but no puns. |
| 17:28:25 | scothoser | It's based on D&D. |
| 17:28:29 | han_solo | ic |
| 17:28:53 | han_solo | I love the old infocom games :) even wrote a text adventure game last fall |
| 17:29:12 | scothoser | I just want to install it and try it, just to make harleypig jealous. ^_^ |
| 17:31:49 | scothoser | harley is now playing soldier of fortune... er, he's working hard.. ^_^ |
| 17:32:29 | han_solo | what laptop ? 1805-S### series? |
| 17:32:45 | scothoser | I got the 1405-S151 |
| 17:33:40 | scothoser | Couldn't find anything online for this model.. ALso, the built-in NIC is an Intel Pro/100 Mobile, which isn't supported in Linux yet. |
| 17:36:24 | scothoser | Trident claims that the ALADDIN-T chipset has Linux drivers, but I couldn't find them. |
| 18:25:19 | han_solo | laters |
| 20:16:27 | han_solo | any gotchas to installing w2k after linux? |
| 20:16:58 | Bradipo | Just make sure it doesn't overwrite your linux partition. |
| 20:17:19 | Bradipo | If it overwrites your MBR you can easily fix that by booting a linux install CD/floppy and then rerunning lilo or grub. |
| 20:17:50 | han_solo | yeah, I'm not afraid of booting problems, just want to be sure windows isn't going to start repartitioning without asking or something |
| 20:17:58 | Bradipo | Of course you'll want to add that OS into the boot loader. |
| 20:18:10 | han_solo | well, want might be a pretty strong word there |
| 20:18:11 | Bradipo | Good luck. |
| 20:55:42 | bonez39 | help, I am stuck..... |
| 20:55:48 | bonez39 | anyone? |
| 20:58:14 | han_solo | yea |
| 20:58:41 | bonez39 | han.....here's my dilemma... |
| 20:59:25 | bonez39 | I boot up, Caldera workstation 3.1 (2.4.2 kernel) and it all goes well, until is says Starting KDE, then the screen goes black...and I get an INIT error, something about "gu" not loading.... |
| 20:59:56 | bonez39 | what i am wondering, is how can I get it to load, but not into KDE, how do I interrupt it before KDE tries to load, so that I can go in and edit my /etc/inittab file? |
| 21:01:20 | bonez39 | does that make any sense? |
| 21:02:51 | bonez39 | Han? |
| 21:03:21 | levi_ | Hmm, I was just about to answer. Oh well. |
| 21:14:19 | han_solo | what were you going to tell him? I would have suggested linux single mostly because I can't remember how to tell it which runlevel to use |
| 21:14:46 | han_solo | what is gu anyhow? |
| 21:15:53 | han_solo | hehe |
| 21:16:19 | A\ | nice |
| 21:16:21 | A\ | hello all |
| 21:16:28 | A\ | my nick is A and I live in ogden |
| 21:16:41 | han_solo | Welcome. is that like a grade or something? ;-) |
| 21:18:05 | A\ | kinda |
| 21:18:10 | A\ | always gone by it |
| 21:18:16 | A\ | signed up for xmission years ago |
| 21:18:28 | A\ | and there script said enter a username up to 8or 10 chars long |
| 21:18:34 | A\ | and I wondered if there was a min |
| 21:18:36 | A\ | so I tried A |
| 21:18:38 | A\ | and it worked |
| 21:18:40 | han_solo | :) |
| 21:18:40 | A\ | so I kept it |
| 21:19:35 | han_solo | let's see, I think we can come up with some sort of initiation. |
| 21:19:46 | | A\ is nothing but a warped bag of salty dog vomit. |
| 21:19:46 | han_solo | ibot, insult A\ |
| 21:20:07 | han_solo | could be worse |
| 21:20:58 | A\ | alright |
| 21:20:58 | han_solo | so do you use linux/unix/some-other-ix/beos/next/? |
| 21:21:02 | A\ | yeah |
| 21:21:11 | A\ | been using linux for a few years |
| 21:21:14 | han_solo | i'd better mention *bsd |
| 21:21:18 | A\ | bsd a few times off and on |
| 21:21:31 | A\ | just got back from defcon where I picked up a few sparcstations |
| 21:21:42 | A\ | working on putting openbsd on them |
| 21:21:55 | A\ | that is after I get a new nvram for 2 of the 3 |
| 21:22:10 | han_solo | ahh, that sounds like too much fun. I don't know that I had more fun than putting debian on an old hp workstation |
| 21:22:56 | A\ | well I think I'm going to set one up to do dns,dhcp, web and mail and then play with the other one |
| 21:23:03 | A\ | maybee put debian or gentoo on it |
| 21:23:04 | han_solo | first time I'd done a diskless install, and I did it over the serial port no less. :) |
| 21:23:09 | A\ | let it compile for a few days |
| 21:26:19 | han_solo | anyone know if there's an equivalent to perl's shift in php? |
| 21:31:24 | A\ | well I will be back in later I'm sure |
| 22:25:39 | han_solo | what happens when /proc isn't mounted? |
| 22:30:21 | Bradipo | Anything that relies on /proc may not work. |
| 22:32:23 | han_solo | i asked because I got something about mounting proc on this server and thought that to be odd. turns out I just don't have permissions to read /proc (or much else for that matter) |
| 22:32:46 | han_solo | got it when trying to get a process list. |
| 22:32:50 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 22:32:57 | Bradipo | ps, top and various other utilities may not work. |
| 22:33:18 | han_solo | $ who |
| 22:33:19 | han_solo | bash: /usr/bin/who: Permission denied |
| 22:33:31 | Bradipo | ls -l /usr/bin/who ? |
| 22:33:46 | han_solo | funny thing is, at first they gave me telnet access. I had to ask for ssh |
| 22:33:48 | han_solo | -rwx------ 1 root root 14364 Jul 23 2001 /usr/bin/who |
| 22:33:55 | Bradipo | That's why you can't execute who |
| 22:34:01 | han_solo | naturally |
| 22:34:02 | Bradipo | Funny. |
| 22:34:11 | Bradipo | Funny that they would give you telnet over ssh. |
| 22:34:26 | Bradipo | And yet they try to make the box secure by not allowing who and other apps to work. :-) |
| 22:34:32 | han_solo | i thought so. |
| 22:34:40 | Bradipo | Is this shell.sourceforge.net ? |
| 22:35:04 | han_solo | no, this is just some contract work I'm doing. they have the account on some provider's box |
| 22:35:06 | Bradipo | Of course they may actually require ssh, it's been a while since I used it. |
| 22:35:22 | Bradipo | I see. |
| 22:35:24 | han_solo | now that I think of it, the telnet access might have been on another server - they call this the 'secure server' |
| 22:35:37 | han_solo | i assumed it's the same hosting company, but perhaps not. |
| 23:31:36 | han_solo | morning all - any ideas on this one: VFS: Disk change detected on device ide1(22,64) |
| 23:31:36 | han_solo | Interleaved files not (yet) supported. |
| 23:31:36 | han_solo | Warning: defective CD-ROM (volume sequence number 8704). Enabling "cruft" mount option. |
| 23:31:58 | han_solo | (from dmesg) - trying to use a CDRW drive (that may possibly be bad) |
| 23:33:41 | bbeattie | Mecworks: Hey Marc |