| 01:31:02 | Jayce^ | what??? that was wierd... |
| 03:06:27 | han_solo | what's with the #mysql on the topic Jayce^? |
| 03:41:26 | brailsmt | grown ups use postgres :) |
| 04:53:54 | byronius | what kind of soundcard does everyone have? |
| 04:55:51 | brailsmt | sb64 |
| 04:57:03 | byronius | hmmm, i'm having serious trouble getting my maestro card to record using alsa |
| 13:14:34 | han_solo | anyone know of a maximum size on fat32 partitions? |
| 13:18:41 | han_solo | ah, never mind. I had to tell mkfs.vfat that the fat size was 32. |
| 14:42:37 | han_solo | what we need, really, is a ~/.xprofile |
| 14:42:52 | Bradipo | What would be it's purpose? |
| 14:42:54 | han_solo | that would be sourced by all x logins. |
| 14:43:10 | Bradipo | Isn't that ~/.xsession ? |
| 14:43:28 | han_solo | no, .xsession isn't sourced by anything but the xsession session of kdm/gdm |
| 14:43:50 | Bradipo | and xdm :-) |
| 14:43:57 | han_solo | right - xdm is great |
| 14:44:09 | Bradipo | How are you running X then if not with one of those? |
| 14:44:25 | Bradipo | If you start it with xinit, then use .xinitrc |
| 14:44:25 | han_solo | it does things the right way. alas the right way isn't the easy way for people that want to change which window manager they use on the fly :) |
| 14:44:44 | Bradipo | Most window managers will allow you to change on the fly. |
| 14:45:00 | han_solo | by on the fly I meant at login deciding which to use |
| 14:45:09 | Bradipo | You should use xsm then. |
| 14:45:16 | han_solo | what's xsm? |
| 14:45:21 | Bradipo | X Session Manager. |
| 14:45:42 | Bradipo | It allows you to define different sessions (i.e. one with WindowMaker, one with KDE, etc...) and choose at login time. |
| 14:46:54 | han_solo | does it make me choose? I'd like a default without choosing every time |
| 14:47:59 | Bradipo | It's been a while since I used it, but you can have a default. |
| 14:48:10 | han_solo | cool I'll give it a try. |
| 14:52:27 | han_solo | i don't think I like xsm |
| 14:52:44 | Bradipo | lol |
| 14:52:53 | Bradipo | It's different, but it get's the job done. |
| 14:53:12 | Bradipo | There may be a better one out there. |
| 14:53:33 | Bradipo | If you search for xsm on freshmeat maybe somone else that didn't like it wrote a better one. |
| 14:53:37 | han_solo | The only reason I think I'd use a session manager is to avoid having to explicitly specify which programs to run |
| 14:54:06 | han_solo | hence kdm and gdm, but I would like a small subset of commands to be done every time I log in (like export PATH and keychain) |
| 14:54:14 | han_solo | no matter what window manager I use. |
| 14:55:17 | Mecworks | Wouldnt you use .bashrc for that? |
| 14:56:01 | han_solo | bashrc only works if you're setting an absolute path |
| 14:56:04 | Mecworks | or .profile which is the master login script. .bashrc is source for every interactive shell. |
| 14:56:19 | han_solo | right, and .profile doesn't get sourced on an x login, or an xterm startup |
| 14:56:30 | han_solo | only on ssh or console (or explicit login shell) logins |
| 14:56:31 | Mecworks | I see. |
| 14:56:35 | han_solo | hence the problem |
| 14:57:41 | Mecworks | so, was there a problem with .xinitrc? |
| 14:58:04 | han_solo | xinitrc isn't sourced unless you start x manually (i.e. not sourced with kdm/gdm or even xdm) |
| 14:58:18 | han_solo | .xsession is great, unless you want to use the session choosing of kdm/gdm |
| 14:58:49 | Mecworks | hm |
| 15:02:50 | han_solo | looks like the advice on google is generally either to start xterm with -ls (to make it a login shell) or edit Xsession (system wide) to source user profiles. |
| 15:07:24 | han_solo | now here's an intelligent suggestion: |
| 15:07:29 | han_solo | I know that IBM's implementation of XDM sets an environment variable |
| 15:07:30 | han_solo | XDM_LOGIN when you are logging in by XDM. You could check for the |
| 15:07:30 | han_solo | existence of this variable in your .xsession or .xinitrc files, and |
| 15:07:30 | han_solo | then source .profile, or whatever is appropriate for your shell, from |
| 15:07:30 | han_solo | within .xsession. |
| 15:08:10 | han_solo | I can check for XDM_LOGIN, GDMSESSION, or whatever the kdm equivalent is in .bashrc and source .bash_profile or .profile if it's set. |
| 15:16:27 | Mecworks | That sounds reasonable. |
| 15:17:09 | han_solo | ok. this looks like the elegant solution if you have root (if you don't it's a hack any way you look at it). change the shebang line of /etc/X11/Xsession to #!/bin/bash --login |
| 15:17:35 | han_solo | I'll have to try that when I get home. at work I'll just change the same in my .xsession |
| 15:17:47 | Mecworks | hm. |
| 15:21:39 | Jayce^ | grrr... I don't know why that mysql got in there.. did a /join #mysql and it put that up in the topic |
| 15:21:49 | han_solo | hehe |
| 15:22:20 | Mecworks | weird. |
| 15:25:32 | han_solo | finally rests from his quest. |
| 15:26:20 | Jayce^ | anybody heard anything about the neverwinter linux client? |
| 15:27:18 | han_solo | no, what does it do? kill xsnow? |
| 15:27:59 | Mecworks | ha ha... |
| 15:28:40 | Jayce^ | I just want the darn thing released |
| 15:28:41 | Mecworks | That reminds me. After several years, a couple days ago for some reason I downloaded xoj. It still cracks me up... |
| 15:29:28 | han_solo | xoj? is that like the oj simpson chase? |
| 15:29:59 | Bradipo | Are they working on a neverwinter linux client? |
| 15:30:11 | han_solo | neverwinter must be a game? |
| 15:30:15 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 15:30:23 | Bradipo | Well, NeverWinter Nights. |
| 15:32:05 | Mecworks | han_solo: yes. It's like xsnow in that it displays on your root window. It is a chase of a low-speed white bronco by several police cars, hellicopters with the streets lined with people watching... 8^) |
| 15:45:58 | han_solo | : |
| 15:46:01 | han_solo | er, :) |
| 17:50:44 | han_solo | can I set something to have java look in a certain directory for .jar files? |
| 20:11:13 | han_solo | <vent>grr. mozilla just locked up for the third time today. that never happens, what the heck...</vent> |
| 20:59:01 | Jayce^ | hey byron... you missed out on a great conference.. |
| 20:59:05 | byronius | i bet |
| 20:59:09 | byronius | when did you get back? |
| 20:59:26 | Jayce^ | last week, but then had to go back out of town for a few days.. |
| 20:59:33 | byronius | gotcha |
| 20:59:43 | byronius | hey, what kind of sound card do you have in your laptop? |
| 21:00:09 | Jayce^ | ess maestro |
| 21:00:23 | byronius | does smgl use alsa or the oss modules for that one? |
| 21:00:33 | Jayce^ | alsa |
| 21:00:39 | Jayce^ | you could use oss if you wanted.. |
| 21:00:48 | byronius | can you record with it? |
| 21:01:03 | Jayce^ | never tried |
| 21:01:28 | byronius | hmm, because i haven't been able to record with mine since alsa-0.9.0rc1 went into gentoo |
| 23:52:05 | brailsmt | any mountain bikers here? |
| 23:53:21 | levi_ | Yup. |
| 23:53:47 | levi_ | I'm a not-quite-in-shape mountain biker right now, though. |