| 00:20:26 | wagdog | easy on the mic |
| 00:22:36 | wagdog | electricity is flickering, gotta shutdown |
| 00:22:40 | wagdog | not that anyone will notice |
| 00:22:42 | wagdog | :-) |
| 00:37:31 | byronius | hey eveyone, come join the byu uug meeting at http://uug.clubs.byu.edu |
| 00:37:41 | byronius | live video and audio stream |
| 00:37:58 | byronius | also #uug here on opn |
| 00:42:03 | Bradipo | How about this storm! |
| 00:42:27 | byronius | is it bad? |
| 00:42:36 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 00:42:36 | byronius | i haven't gone outside in a bit |
| 00:42:39 | Bradipo | Pretty bad. |
| 00:42:49 | byronius | i guess we're going to soak all the uug gear as we leave |
| 00:42:50 | Bradipo | Well, at least here in Utah Valley. |
| 00:44:02 | Bradipo | http://www.wunderground.com/radar/station.asp?ID=MTX19 |
| 00:48:20 | byronius | wow, that's quite the storm... now i want to go outside |
| 00:48:39 | Bradipo | Funny how it's just hovering over Utah Valley... |
| 00:48:46 | BZFlag | yeah and here we all are in front of our computers. ;-) |
| 00:49:11 | Bradipo | Weeelll, we couldn't see nice radar images from outside... |
| 00:50:02 | BZFlag | heh |
| 00:51:11 | BZFlag | http://www.plug.org/ is down. |
| 00:51:33 | byronius | is jayce^ pack from oscon yet? he said he couldn't get to it till then |
| 00:51:36 | Bradipo | It's been down for a bit. |
| 00:52:14 | BZFlag | ah |
| 00:52:33 | BZFlag | any other LUGs that should me on the dmoz page? |
| 01:52:56 | fozzmoo | Meeeeep |
| 01:53:05 | Bradipo | Meep indeed. |
| 01:53:15 | Bradipo | It looks like the storm has casualties... |
| 01:53:19 | fozzmoo | Bradipo: Hi |
| 01:53:20 | HarleyBot | hi, fozzmoo |
| 01:53:26 | Bradipo | I have to go in and find out why one of our servers went down... |
| 01:53:34 | fozzmoo | We had some good hail in Hyrum. |
| 01:53:47 | fozzmoo | Stones probably about 1cm diameter. |
| 01:53:51 | Bradipo | Wow. |
| 01:53:53 | Bradipo | That's cool. |
| 01:54:01 | fozzmoo | yeah |
| 01:55:31 | fozzmoo | No servers down on my watch. My pager is silent. :) |
| 01:57:14 | fozzmoo | An ID10T error? |
| 01:57:17 | fozzmoo | No idea. :) |
| 02:00:32 | BZFlag | mine is silent too. ;-) |
| 02:00:51 | fozzmoo | yay! :) |
| 02:09:18 | Bradipo | Hmm, it just came back online magically. |
| 03:02:23 | brailsmt | you know, that is one heckuva long path in that URL... |
| 03:25:01 | BZFlag | Bradipo__: heh |
| 03:25:08 | BZFlag | er brailsmt: heh |
| 03:28:08 | brailsmt | uhmm, hi |
| 03:28:16 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:28:24 | | brailsmt: wish i knew |
| 03:28:24 | brailsmt | ibot: are you really a bot? |
| 03:28:36 | brailsmt | has a bot... |
| 03:28:48 | brailsmt | ibot: help |
| 03:36:43 | brailsmt | what the heck... |
| 03:37:09 | brailsmt | bots are fun anyway... and this one is written in ruby! |
| 03:37:49 | brailsmt | |lart ibot |
| 03:37:49 | rbot | judo chops ibot for foo |
| 03:38:04 | brailsmt | slow in here... |
| 03:38:16 | brailsmt | |lart Bill Gates for giving us windows |
| 03:38:17 | rbot | pins down Bill Gates so the goatse.cx man can sit on his/her face for giving us windows |
| 03:38:46 | brailsmt | |praise Linus |
| 03:38:47 | rbot | gives Linus a juicy strawberry |
| 04:51:31 | brailsmt | |help |
| 14:03:47 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot, status |
| 14:03:48 | HarleyBot | Since Mon Jul 22 17:06:32 2002, there have been 37 modifications and 11 questions. I have been awake for 3 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, 44 seconds this session, and currently reference 76912 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 14:04:22 | | Since Tue Jul 23 08:44:23 2002, there have been 151 modifications and 543 questions. I have been awake for 3 days, 6 hours, 19 minutes, 59 seconds this session, and currently reference 6795 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 14:04:22 | HarleyPig | ibot, status |
| 14:04:27 | HarleyPig | rbot, status |
| 14:25:43 | | euler: sorry... |
| 14:25:43 | euler | ibot seems to be more efficient than HarleyBot |
| 14:25:56 | euler | Although they both are stupid... |
| 14:25:57 | euler | :0 |
| 14:29:45 | HarleyPig | euler: Seems so, I just did a basic install and haven't touched it since. |
| 14:29:56 | HarleyPig | I think BZFlag has been tinkering with his. |
| 14:30:25 | HarleyPig | What specifically makes you think ibot's more efficient? |
| 14:41:10 | euler | Well, it has been alive less time, but references more factoids. |
| 14:42:42 | HarleyPig | ? |
| 14:43:07 | HarleyPig | Check your numbers: HarleyBot - 76912 : ibot 6795 |
| 14:43:35 | HarleyPig | That doesn't mean anything though ... We've both had them for about 2 weeks, plus most of mine are pre installed. |
| 14:43:42 | HarleyPig | I suspect ibots are as well. |
| 14:44:36 | HarleyPig | BTW, both of them are the same code (www.infobot.org). |
| 14:45:09 | euler | Ah, it is only 10 hours behind. 100 factiods would have to be registered an hour for it to have more in the same amount of time. My bad. |
| 14:47:08 | HarleyPig | :] No biggie ... we're not having a contest or anything. |
| 14:47:32 | euler | heh |
| 14:49:07 | BZFlag | HarleyBot: both had them for 2 weeks? ibot's been on OPN for about a year iirc. |
| 14:49:08 | HarleyBot | BZFlag: huh? |
| 14:56:09 | Bonez39 | greetings. |
| 14:56:36 | Bonez39 | fozzmoo? are you the former 'fozz'? whence the 'moo'? |
| 15:00:36 | Bonez39 | anyone? |
| 15:00:39 | Bonez39 | ping please. |
| 15:00:55 | euler | Bonez39: hi |
| 15:00:57 | HarleyBot | que tal, euler |
| 15:01:30 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: do we really need two bots here? |
| 15:01:43 | euler | Bonez39: it's actually short for (and I know I am not going to spell this correctly) 'fozzinillymoo' |
| 15:01:44 | BZFlag | 1+1? |
| 15:01:44 | HarleyBot | 2 |
| 15:05:36 | art | wait don't we have 3 bots in here. |
| 15:05:37 | art | ? |
| 15:10:49 | HarleyPig | Yeah, isn't rbot a bot? |
| 15:11:03 | HarleyPig | BZFlag: probably not, I'm just experimenting with it. |
| 15:11:26 | HarleyPig | If it's causing problems I can part it from this channel. |
| 15:12:50 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: np. hack on. if you get any changes that you would like to live on please feel free to send them to me. |
| 15:13:59 | BZFlag | rbot status? |
| 15:14:00 | rbot | I can't do that Dave. |
| 15:14:13 | BZFlag | looks that way. great. 3 bots. |
| 15:14:22 | Bradipo | Can I bring in my two bots? ;-) |
| 15:14:36 | BZFlag | renames #Utah to #Utah-bots |
| 15:17:11 | BZFlag | the danger of two bots is spam abuse |
| 15:17:38 | | i don't know, bzflag |
| 15:17:38 | BZFlag | ibot: HarleyBot is <reply> HarleyBot: ibot? |
| 15:17:58 | | bugger all, i dunno, bzflag |
| 15:17:58 | BZFlag | ibot: HarleyBot is <reply> HarleyBot? |
| 15:18:09 | BZFlag | heh. well that didn't work. |
| 15:20:53 | Bonez39 | thanks euler |
| 15:30:10 | Bonez39 | my list of obstacles that I need to clear before nuking Winders from my system: full Palm synch functioanlity, seamless network printing setup, scanner (hpscanjet 4c) working under linux, OpenOffice, et al., able to work with Word 97 documents locally and networked.... that's a starting point. |
| 15:30:46 | Jayce^ | got them all :D |
| 15:31:57 | Bonez39 | Jayce^: you do? solutions for each one? |
| 15:32:17 | Jayce^ | there are solutions (not exactly sure on that scanner, but probable) |
| 15:32:41 | Jayce^ | kde and gnome both have palm synch tools, for printing.. use CUPS.. |
| 15:32:44 | Bonez39 | here's more detail if you want...my palm m505. I use the Franklin software to synchronize my data..and sometimes like to work in that software on the desktop and then synch it back to the palm |
| 15:33:05 | Bonez39 | ok, I have CUPS installed, however, I am still unable to get it working correctly.... |
| 15:33:12 | Bonez39 | it says I have no driver installed... |
| 15:33:34 | Jayce^ | what distro are you running? |
| 15:33:37 | Bonez39 | my printer (networked) is an hp laser jet iii p... and it doesn't even list that specific model.... |
| 15:33:43 | Bonez39 | my distro is calder 2.4.2 |
| 15:33:58 | Bonez39 | workstation 3.1 in there terminology |
| 15:34:03 | Jayce^ | k, not too familiar with that one myself (what their admin tools are) |
| 15:34:22 | Jayce^ | but they should have some kind of control panel with a printer option, that should let you add a printer.. |
| 15:35:10 | Bonez39 | ok, I guess I need to spend a few more hours fiddling with that....s |
| 15:35:28 | Jayce^ | I guess.. what user group are you in? |
| 15:35:44 | Bonez39 | If there's anyone on here with a bad back, neck, or who just likes to get adjusted or massaged..I would gladly invite you over...to trade services.... |
| 15:36:05 | Bonez39 | well, I have been to a couple SLLUG meetings, but my wife keeps me busy when their meetings are held... |
| 15:36:14 | Jayce^ | hrmm... that's a good offer :D |
| 15:36:26 | Bonez39 | so I dont' get to their group meetings, much...although I do exchange email with group members on their list. |
| 15:36:53 | Jayce^ | SLLUG, ok, are you on the mailing list? if not join that, or maybe the PLUG list (it's very active) and ask.. there are going to be plenty of caldera guys that can help there.. |
| 15:36:59 | Bonez39 | the offer is valid.. I am in practice 9 years now....provide chiropractic adjusting, and on Friday's massage therapy with an LMT |
| 15:37:12 | Bonez39 | what is PLUG? not familiar with that one |
| 15:37:25 | Bonez39 | provo linux user group? |
| 15:37:40 | Jayce^ | yeah... the web site is down at the moment (ISP trouble) |
| 15:38:13 | Jayce^ | but the mailing list is running.. pluglist-request@plug.org |
| 15:40:15 | BZFlag | http://www.kirchgessner.net/sanehpfaq.html <- scanject 4c support. |
| 15:40:53 | Bonez39 | ok.I will mail them to get on the list.. |
| 15:42:15 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 15:42:15 | BZFlag | ibot logs |
| 15:42:54 | BZFlag | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/utah/ <- this channel is here |
| 15:44:28 | Jayce^ | begins to listen to the keynote speaker talking about making the digital effects in LotR... with open source.. |
| 15:44:41 | Bonez39 | BZFlag: what does that site contain..I see lots of numbered documents.... |
| 15:44:53 | Bonez39 | just curious. |
| 15:45:04 | HarleyPig | cool. |
| 15:45:14 | HarleyPig | Logs of this channel. |
| 15:45:31 | art | Bonez39: There's also the BYU Unix Users group. Also you may want to upgrade yor distribution. Caldera is up to OpenLinux64, I don't really know how old 3.1 is. Maybe it's fairly recent. |
| 15:45:37 | Jayce^ | "all those people who haven't seen film one should close their eyes for the next 30 minutes" |
| 15:47:10 | BZFlag | Bonez39: those are logs by date. yyyymmdd |
| 15:48:03 | Bonez39 | art: my distro is old in terms of what caldera offers now....is it possible to upgrade though, without losing everything I have customized about my current installation? |
| 15:48:06 | BZFlag | COL 3.1 is fairly recent. though new caldera releases will be unitedlinux |
| 15:48:15 | Jayce^ | aahhhhhhhhhhh.... free avanced footage!!!!! |
| 15:48:24 | Jayce^ | TreeBeard!! |
| 15:48:25 | Bonez39 | thanks for the explanation, bf |
| 15:48:29 | Bonez39 | er..bzf |
| 15:48:42 | BZFlag | Bonez39: upgrading any COL distribution is not well supported. |
| 15:48:48 | HarleyPig | Ok ... now it's time to go postal. |
| 15:48:49 | Bonez39 | unitedlinux..that means I get to pay more now, eh? |
| 15:48:50 | Bradipo | 3.1 is pretty old in my books. :-) |
| 15:48:57 | Bradipo | 3.1.1 is much newer. |
| 15:49:34 | Bonez39 | BZFlag: with your comment in mind...is it possible to get a more recent caldera release and just install the new kernel and then other components as needed...? s |
| 15:49:40 | BZFlag | there is a script on the CD that allegedly does upgrades, but I would backup the entire system first if I were you, cause even while I was at caldera, there were very few times where I saw a COL upgrade work. |
| 15:50:10 | art | Bonez39: it depends on what is customized. Have you installed a lot of programs from source? Do you have a lot of different GUI customizations? Those are easy to duplicate. What is you customizations? |
| 15:50:22 | Jayce^ | 300mb/second storage for LotR |
| 15:50:27 | BZFlag | Bonez39: new kernel might work, but picking and choosing packages is probably a futile effort. |
| 15:50:49 | art | I've tried updating systems piece-meal, it's VERY frustrating. |
| 15:50:55 | art | It |
| 15:51:04 | BZFlag | if being able to handle upgrades is important to you I suggest you consider other distributions. |
| 15:51:04 | art | 's better to just back up and reinstall |
| 15:51:23 | art | Debian Mandrake or RedHat are all good at upgrades. |
| 15:51:36 | BZFlag | COL does have a nice easy first install, but upgrades are not its strong point. |
| 15:51:42 | Bradipo | This is true. |
| 15:51:55 | art | And the default install should have most of the stuff you might have already customized. |
| 15:52:00 | Bradipo | package upgrades aren't bad, but the OS upgrade can be hair pulling. |
| 15:52:45 | art | The UUG is actuall having and Install-Fest on next saturday, so if you wanted to come down we could even help. |
| 15:52:51 | Bradipo | So, what is rbot? |
| 15:52:57 | BZFlag | yes, good point. there are updated rpms for old caldera distros available. if you are going to stay at an old distro I highly recommend installing any updates they have published for it. |
| 15:53:34 | art | has anyone used Caldera's OpenLinux64, how does it compare? |
| 15:54:02 | BZFlag | rbot version |
| 15:54:03 | rbot | I'm a v. 0.9.4 rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/rbot/ |
| 15:59:44 | BZFlag | hmm rubybot. looks like it has potential. infobot has been stagnant lately. /me considers a new improved ibot. |
| 16:00:42 | BZFlag | rbot auth |
| 16:02:03 | Jayce^ | ooohhhh.. two towers outtakes!! |
| 16:02:58 | DarkHorse | hi Jayce^ |
| 16:03:09 | DarkHorse | is everyone here from utah? |
| 16:03:27 | regis | g'morning |
| 16:03:31 | Jayce^ | think so.. |
| 16:03:36 | BZFlag | k. those with bots should email me (tim@rikers.org) with the bot and it's purpose. ibot is the main bot here, but testing others from time to time is fine, I don't want them all hanging out here all the time though. |
| 16:03:37 | Bradipo | Morning. |
| 16:03:37 | DarkHorse | was gonna go to the last sllug meeting and got distracted. |
| 16:03:55 | regis | has anyone using AT&T cable had problems this morning? |
| 16:03:59 | BZFlag | ibot is (currently) and infobot and I'm happy to add new (tested) modules to him on demand. |
| 16:04:09 | DarkHorse | <--dsl |
| 16:04:19 | BZFlag | ok HarleyPig? and whoever owns rbot? |
| 16:04:19 | Jayce^ | BZFlag: add the perldoc's |
| 16:04:45 | BZFlag | got a text database to import? I'd be happy to add them. |
| 16:05:05 | Jayce^ | I think they have one already on the infobot site.. |
| 16:05:19 | regis | I got home from a party last night and was getting my slashdot fix when my connection got cut. |
| 16:05:26 | regis | It was still down this morning |
| 16:05:40 | regis | Finally I just booted to windoze and let DHCP do its thing |
| 16:05:44 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: which databases did you add? I'd be happy to add any that are useful to people. |
| 16:05:55 | regis | and that worked, but I can't get my Linux box to connect still |
| 16:06:45 | HarleyPig | BZFlag: All of them. |
| 16:07:20 | HarleyPig | regis: It's punishment for partying instead of working on linux. |
| 16:07:23 | Bonez39 | art: the customizations I have done include several source installations, of various applications...I guess I need to just get a good backup strategy in place, and then back it all up, and load a newer distro release. |
| 16:07:28 | Jayce^ | "it was about a 3x speedup in moving from irix to linux" |
| 16:07:29 | regis | he he he |
| 16:07:39 | BZFlag | heh, could have guessed that. ;-) |
| 16:07:54 | art | Bonez39: what programs did you install from source |
| 16:08:06 | art | yeah that does sound like a good approach |
| 16:08:08 | HarleyPig | :] 75 thousand factoids is a *lot* of bits. |
| 16:09:04 | regis | Is anyone here on AT&T cable? |
| 16:09:14 | DarkHorse | hehe |
| 16:09:23 | art | regis: I am, but I'm no at home right now, I'm at work. |
| 16:09:38 | art | but I was able to connect no problem this morning. |
| 16:09:41 | DarkHorse | am never gonna go to cable until they quit trying to tell me what i can do with my connection. |
| 16:09:54 | BZFlag | Jayce^: I'm not impressed with the alleged speed improvement. it's not like they installed linux on the same hardware. |
| 16:10:12 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 16:10:24 | BZFlag | now if it said "we could get 3x the speed for the same money" that is valuable. |
| 16:10:51 | Jayce^ | they were describing the switch largely allowed them to not really render faster, but render at a higher quality.. |
| 16:11:18 | BZFlag | again, a hardware difference, NOT an advantage to linux. |
| 16:11:18 | DarkHorse | i'd rather be able to do what i want rather than just browse fast. |
| 16:11:18 | Jayce^ | actually, it's cheaper.. they said (obviously cheaper hardware and licensing) |
| 16:11:49 | BZFlag | now more performance and less cost, that I can agree on. |
| 16:11:55 | DarkHorse | Bonez39: i just use amanda and cron for backups.. works well. |
| 16:12:23 | Jayce^ | wow.. he showed the making of that opening scene in FotR.. over 100k people... he warned, that'll be nothing compared to film 3 |
| 16:12:52 | Jayce^ | main open source used by them: linux, Perl, Tcl/Tk, Mysql, Apache |
| 16:12:52 | BZFlag | cool! |
| 16:13:05 | Jayce^ | some php, java, and python too.. |
| 16:15:46 | Bonez39 | DarkHorse: does the documentation help someone new to backing up? I admit, I am lazy with backups, but want to get better... |
| 16:16:01 | DarkHorse | Bonez39: the amanda docs? sure |
| 16:16:11 | Bonez39 | where do I get amanda? |
| 16:16:11 | HarleyBot | Bonez39, Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver. URL: http://www.amanda.org/ |
| 16:16:15 | Bonez39 | ok.. |
| 16:16:32 | art | join #ug |
| 16:16:35 | DarkHorse | Bonez39: it comes with most distros |
| 16:16:35 | art | sorry |
| 16:18:03 | DarkHorse | Bonez39: i just have it run a check on wednesday nite so i know if i've forgotten to switch tapes, then it does backups in the middle of the nite on friday morning. |
| 16:18:42 | DarkHorse | Bonez39: if you run out of tape, it just puts them on disk and you can flush them later. |
| 16:19:16 | Bonez39 | thanks, darkhorse |
| 16:19:31 | DarkHorse | i have 100gb here and only a dds3 tape drive that holds about 12gb.. so i have to flush from time to time |
| 16:20:08 | DarkHorse | i don't backup static storage.. burn them to cd's |
| 16:23:20 | DarkHorse | would kill for a 70gb dlt drive |
| 16:38:40 | DarkHorse | just put in a bid for some scsi drives on ebay |
| 16:38:59 | DarkHorse | might be able to get rid of these 2 ide drives i stuck in here for static storage. |
| 17:30:07 | BZFlag | imports facts into ibot |
| 17:32:40 | | Since Tue Jul 23 08:44:23 2002, there have been 154 modifications and 559 questions. I have been awake for 3 days, 9 hours, 48 minutes, 17 seconds this session, and currently reference 6795 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 17:32:40 | BZFlag | ibot status |
| 17:34:25 | brailsmt | is ibot an infobot? |
| 17:34:46 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 17:34:48 | | Since Fri Jul 26 18:33:08 2002, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions. I have been awake for 1 minute, 40 seconds this session, and currently reference 6739 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 17:34:48 | BZFlag | ibot status |
| 17:34:56 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 17:55:15 | | Since Fri Jul 26 18:43:31 2002, there have been 7 modifications and 7 questions. I have been awake for 11 minutes, 44 seconds this session, and currently reference 83768 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 17:55:15 | BZFlag | ibot status |
| 17:55:21 | BZFlag | HarleyBot: better? |
| 17:55:22 | HarleyBot | bzflag: no idea |
| 17:55:29 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: better? |
| 17:55:36 | brailsmt | |skat? |
| 17:55:43 | brailsmt | crap... |
| 18:23:00 | HarleyPig | What better? |
| 18:23:17 | brailsmt | huh? |
| 18:23:31 | HarleyPig | BZFlag: asked 'better? |
| 18:26:58 | BZFlag | HarleyPig: the number of factoids on ibot. |
| 18:28:01 | HarleyPig | w00t! Didn't see that. |
| 18:28:19 | HarleyPig | Maybe I should just make HarleyBot an Elizabot. |
| 18:29:06 | brailsmt | |lart Bill Gates |
| 18:29:06 | rbot | signs Bill Gates up for the Iowa State Ferret Legging Championship |
| 18:29:23 | brailsmt | that's my bot :) |
| 18:29:44 | brailsmt | well... I didn't write it... but I run it... |
| 18:29:57 | brailsmt | and I've written a few plugins for it |
| 18:56:40 | Bonez39 | BZFlag: I am trying to install and use amanda for backup......per your suggestion....can I ask you about the ./configure step? or should I post it on the amanda site? |
| 18:58:03 | Bonez39 | here's the error: configure: error:*** --with-user=USER is missing |
| 19:00:54 | BZFlag | brailsmt: normall procedure on OPN is to get approval from the channel owner before running a bot. |
| 19:01:17 | BZFlag | I don't mind some bot testing here, but ibot is the channel bot. |
| 19:01:42 | BZFlag | He's an infobot, and I'm happy to add patches/modules to him if people send them to me. |
| 19:01:50 | BZFlag | he does logging, seen, etc. |
| 19:02:45 | | Howdy Bub |
| 19:02:45 | BZFlag | brailsmt: hello? |
| 19:08:41 | Bonez39 | BZFlag: any ideas on my quandry? |
| 19:16:29 | Bonez39 | hi tensai |
| 19:59:56 | BZFlag | Bonez39: I'm not the one that suggested amanda. I use tar and ssh. |
| 20:04:47 | Bonez39 | oh........my mistake.. |
| 20:45:25 | Bonez39 | anyone here using SSH? |
| 21:06:29 | HarleyPig | Yes. |
| 21:10:40 | Bonez39 | Harley.....do you? |
| 21:12:29 | HarleyPig | Yes, I use ssh almost exclusively. |
| 21:13:29 | Bonez39 | is SSH something one must buy, or is it available for free, as in free beer? |
| 21:13:41 | Bonez39 | er....free rootbeer..here in UTah...s |
| 21:13:48 | HarleyPig | free beer |
| 21:13:52 | HarleyPig | even in utah. |
| 21:14:05 | HarleyPig | utah county even! |
| 21:14:16 | HarleyPig | Except on BYU campus. |
| 21:14:31 | HarleyPig | www.openssh.org |
| 21:14:32 | Bonez39 | even on BYU campus....hehehe..I know what goes on there......;) |
| 21:14:42 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 21:15:12 | Bonez39 | I served my 4 years there.....so I am entitled to my fair share of potshots...;) |
| 21:15:53 | HarleyPig | My mom worked there for 10 years ... I'm firing mortar rounds. |
| 21:16:27 | fugalh | hey watchit. I'm still here! |
| 21:16:28 | fugalh | :) |
| 21:16:53 | fugalh | there is a commercial implementation that is free (root)beer if you are not a commercial entity, but not free speech - OpenSSH is both |
| 21:17:26 | fugalh | i love ssh - I don't have to use passwords thanks to ssh-agent |
| 21:20:27 | fugalh | i'm experiencing the strangest phenomenon - my oggs are skipping like a CD but I know they ripped fine. I wonder if it has to do with my new setup. |
| 21:41:14 | Bradipo | fugalh: Do you have something chewing up your CPU? |
| 21:46:42 | Bonez39 | here's a question, how do I create a group? |
| 21:47:31 | Bonez39 | oh. BYU is a wonderful place....and no disrespect is intended, but I could never now attend school there...I refuse to live under such a regime.... |
| 21:47:52 | fugalh | bradipo: nope. almost no load on my spanking new 500mhz box (compared to 30% cpu on my old 233, but it never skipped on that) |
| 21:48:16 | Bradipo | fugalh: Not sure why then. |
| 21:48:24 | fugalh | bradipo, but I am using the onboard sound card so that's suspect (had an ISA soundblaster before) |
| 21:48:39 | Bradipo | The only time I have had mp3's skip is when some big process started up (i.e. Netscape) |
| 21:48:59 | Bradipo | I suppose it sould be the onboard... |
| 21:49:04 | Bradipo | I don't like onboard cards much. |
| 21:49:27 | fugalh | i might be imagining it, but it sounds distorted too. can't really be sure with my cheap speakers |
| 21:49:47 | fugalh | there is one isa slot, maybe I'll try comparing later... |
| 21:53:06 | fugalh | byu's not so bad once you're married. :) |
| 21:54:34 | Bonez39 | so, no suggestions on creating a new group? |
| 21:55:11 | Bonez39 | I remember being there in 1985....sitting in the library trying to hack their card catalogue system..... |
| 21:56:19 | Bradipo | Bonez39: What kind of a group? |
| 21:56:45 | Bradipo | BYU wasn't bad single either though. |
| 22:12:59 | Bonez39 | well, just a new group..I am installing amanda...for backup..and it needs to have a group called 'scott' installed, for it to install correctly |
| 22:13:58 | Bonez39 | spent nearly 4 years there single and always had a good time.....lots of beautiful women to date..lots to do.... |
| 22:16:51 | Bonez39 | Bradipo: any suggestions? |
| 22:17:10 | Bonez39 | I am sure it's some simple command like addgroup or something similar... |
| 22:19:12 | Bonez39 | anyone? |
| 22:20:52 | HarleyPig | Bonez39: vi /etc/groups |
| 22:21:10 | Bonez39 | just edit that? |
| 22:21:15 | HarleyPig | Yep. |
| 22:21:36 | Bonez39 | I open that and it's blank..a new file...should it be? |
| 22:22:04 | HarleyPig | sorry, group |
| 22:22:06 | HarleyPig | not groups |
| 22:22:12 | Bonez39 | ok |
| 22:22:56 | Bonez39 | do I need to add any numbers there....the ::x: sort of thing too? |
| 22:23:45 | HarleyPig | yeah |
| 22:23:52 | HarleyPig | just choose the next sequential number. |
| 22:24:37 | Bonez39 | ok... |
| 22:53:09 | fugalh | did you try groupadd? that's what I always do. |
| 22:53:34 | fugalh | I only discovered the other day that you can add a user to a group with useradd, I had just been editing /etc/group to add people to the group. |
| 22:57:59 | Bonez39 | oh, I just went in and edited /etc/group |
| 23:08:25 | fugalh | debian woody and usb mouse anyone? |
| 23:10:49 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/images/bzflag_wirehed_jul2002.png |
| 23:11:14 | BZFlag | fugalh: I'm on sid with USB and ps2 mice. |
| 23:12:14 | BZFlag | I'm running custom X config with a hand built kernel though. |
| 23:12:30 | fugalh | bzflag, I can't seem to get it to recognize mine. I didn't hand-build the kernel but I have ensured that the modules are loaded |
| 23:12:45 | BZFlag | X 4.x ? |
| 23:12:51 | fugalh | I tweaked the x config a bit too |
| 23:13:03 | fugalh | yes, 4.1.0.1 |
| 23:13:14 | BZFlag | Driver "mouse" |
| 23:13:20 | BZFlag | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 23:13:25 | BZFlag | Option "Name" "AutoDetected" |
| 23:13:33 | BZFlag | Option "Vendor" "AutoDetected" |
| 23:13:39 | BZFlag | Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" |
| 23:13:45 | BZFlag | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 23:14:10 | BZFlag | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 13, 63 Jan 1 2002 /dev/input/mice |
| 23:14:39 | BZFlag | Linux localhost 2.4.18 #1 Tue May 21 12:40:24 MDT 2002 i686 unknown |
| 23:14:50 | fugalh | all checks out even the /dev/input/mice - which I had to make myself |
| 23:15:04 | BZFlag | ii xserver-xfree8 4.1.0-17 the XFree86 X server |
| 23:15:13 | BZFlag | enough info? |
| 23:15:27 | fugalh | should be - but that all checks out. brb, I'm going to try something. |
| 23:16:25 | BZFlag | I have both of these in my ServerLayout: |
| 23:16:31 | BZFlag | InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" |
| 23:16:38 | BZFlag | InputDevice "USBMouse" "SendCoreEvents" |
| 23:19:05 | fugalh | strange. there's no indication that it shouldn't work in my x logs, everything seems to go well |
| 23:19:09 | fugalh | (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
| 23:19:10 | fugalh | (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
| 23:19:26 | fugalh | SendCoreEvents et al are like you have |
| 23:19:46 | fugalh | i'm not prone to flippant rebooting, but I think I might try that. |
| 23:20:46 | fugalh | and check for anything suspicious in the bios while I'm at it (this is the only usb device) |
| 23:24:42 | Bonez39 | away but will return later, please leave a memo.. |
| 23:27:20 | brailsmt | BZFlag: hrmm, I've been on opn for a long time and I have never heard of that normal procedure... sorry... |
| 23:27:58 | brailsmt | i just saw two bots and thought "hey, whats a third?" |
| 23:39:05 | BZFlag | brailsmt: np. it's in some docs buried someplace. |
| 23:39:38 | BZFlag | fugalh: can you cat the device file? |
| 23:40:41 | fugalh | as in cat /dev/input/mice ? |
| 23:42:05 | fugalh | i get nothing. |
| 23:42:33 | fugalh | there was a 'usb dos mode' setting in bios - would that have anything to do with it? |
| 23:58:35 | BZFlag | probably not. |
| 23:58:43 | brailsmt | fugalh: what do you get for 'cat /dev/psaux'? |
| 23:59:38 | BZFlag | if I "cat /dev/input/mice" on the console and them move my usb mouse, I get bytes from it. |
