| 02:15:01 | art | hello,hello |
| 02:15:08 | art | how's everyone doing tonight? |
| 06:47:29 | fozzmoo | staff@wopn.org |
| 15:22:42 | Jayce^ | whaddup HarleyPig |
| 15:22:57 | Jayce^ | learns about open source and the genome pproject |
| 15:23:01 | HarleyPig | Not much ... |
| 15:23:20 | HarleyPig | That was a quick join/part. |
| 15:23:27 | Jayce^ | wants to scream... he's sitting right near guido :D |
| 15:23:36 | Jayce^ | You Moron!!! |
| 15:23:55 | HarleyPig | Whassa matta? Don't like the author of Python? |
| 15:24:39 | Jayce^ | nope... sitting practically in the middle of the zope team.. |
| 15:24:54 | Jayce^ | I could just turn palestinian, and save the world in one move.. |
| 15:24:56 | Jayce^ | ;D |
| 15:25:22 | Jayce^ | well, for perl/C geeks, the human genome project is hiring.. |
| 15:25:41 | HarleyPig | Jeremy wants to know if Shane Hathaway is there. |
| 15:25:54 | Jayce^ | sitting right next to me ;D |
| 15:25:57 | HarleyPig | Cool. |
| 15:26:10 | Jayce^ | what's Jeremy's last name? and does he want to say to him? |
| 15:26:20 | Jayce^ | tell him hathaway went to my mission.. |
| 15:26:29 | HarleyPig | Robb. |
| 15:26:30 | Jayce^ | that's why I know him |
| 15:27:11 | HarleyPig | He just wants you to say Hi. They went to school together (since elementary). |
| 15:27:14 | Jayce^ | tell him hathaway is getting in the room.. |
| 15:27:23 | Jayce^ | so he should get iin |
| 15:27:43 | HarleyPig | It's a small freakin' world. |
| 15:27:51 | Jayce^ | get's ready to leave because of the presence of a zope team member ;D |
| 15:28:19 | shane | hey dudes |
| 15:28:27 | HarleyPig | 'lo |
| 15:28:44 | scothoser | howdy all Is shane here? |
| 15:28:47 | Jayce^ | hey hoser... now we just need perlhoser in here |
| 15:28:54 | shane | that's me! |
| 15:29:11 | scothoser | Shane! Long time no hear! How's it going? |
| 15:29:22 | scothoser | THis is Jeremy by the way.. |
| 15:29:23 | shane | having fun at OSCON. |
| 15:29:36 | shane | listening to a keynote. |
| 15:29:55 | scothoser | <expletive deleted>... Um, no. That's Great! I'm not jealous at all! ^_^ |
| 15:30:09 | Jayce^ | hehehe... |
| 15:30:12 | shane | what are you up to? |
| 15:31:07 | scothoser | Working for an ISP... Learning about security... Acting superior to suits who think they know something about RADIUS servers. The Usual.. ^_^ |
| 15:31:19 | Jayce^ | BTW.. shane, HarleyPig was the friend I was mentioning that had been fighting with zope and perl for a while ;D |
| 15:31:23 | HarleyPig | Is this the M$ .Net stuff? |
| 15:31:39 | Jayce^ | nope... bioinformatics.. |
| 15:31:54 | HarleyPig | is still trying to forget about that crap. |
| 15:32:09 | HarleyPig | Zope, not bioinformatics. |
| 15:32:30 | shane | HarleyBot: what's your name? |
| 15:32:31 | HarleyBot | shane: i don't know |
| 15:32:43 | shane | HarleyPig: what's your name?!! |
| 15:32:45 | scothoser | I vaguely remember Zope from SLCC... I think they are still using it, even though everyone who could run it was chased off.. |
| 15:32:50 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: Your name is HarleyBot. |
| 15:32:51 | HarleyBot | OK, HarleyPig. |
| 15:33:02 | HarleyPig | shane, my name is Harley J Pig. |
| 15:33:03 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 15:33:16 | Jayce^ | smacks HarleyPig... |
| 15:33:24 | shane | yeah, it sounds like there was a revolution at SLCC. |
| 15:34:13 | scothoser | Yeah.. They oursourced everything to cut costs.... TJ and I left with a feeling of foreboding... |
| 15:34:36 | scothoser | I warned everyone I knew that went there... |
| 15:34:47 | Jayce^ | outsourced to the MCSE intstitue of Utah? ;D |
| 15:34:51 | shane | on the plus side, the home page looks better :-) |
| 15:34:57 | scothoser | Don't take an online course.. It's not secure.... |
| 15:35:14 | scothoser | Well... you can't get much worse. ^_^ |
| 15:35:53 | scothoser | HOw about you shane? What are you and your lovely bride up to? |
| 15:37:06 | shane | Taking care of a kid and waiting for the next ;-) |
| 15:37:22 | scothoser | She is expecting again?! Congrats! |
| 15:37:44 | HarleyPig | How many do you have? |
| 15:37:46 | Jayce^ | 2, amateur (compared to HarleyPig).. |
| 15:37:48 | shane | thanks. |
| 15:37:58 | scothoser | When is she due? |
| 15:38:06 | shane | October. |
| 15:38:24 | shane | a baby boy. |
| 15:38:37 | scothoser | Wow! She is due fairly soon. Did she go with you to OSCON, or say home? |
| 15:38:52 | Jayce^ | HarleyBot: say home :D |
| 15:38:52 | HarleyBot | Jayce^: i'm not following you... |
| 15:38:57 | shane | stayed home. OReilly didn't pay for the travel ;-) |
| 15:39:16 | Jayce^ | hehe.. I need to come up with a talk for next year so I don't have to pay.. |
| 15:39:27 | scothoser | Ahh.. einverstanden.. Tell her hello from me and Kristal! |
| 15:39:28 | shane | exactly. :-) |
| 15:39:40 | shane | I will. |
| 15:40:31 | shane | this bioinformatics talk talked about sex and is now comparing linus torvalds with bill gates. |
| 15:40:40 | scothoser | So, a baby boy. That is soo cool. Are you going to be coming to Utah any time soon, so that we can celebrate? ^_^ |
| 15:40:55 | shane | we'd like to. |
| 15:41:06 | shane | it's expensive though. |
| 15:41:18 | scothoser | Um.. about performance, or just in general verility? ^_^ |
| 15:41:28 | scothoser | Meaning the talk.. |
| 15:41:57 | shane | not exactly ;-) |
| 15:41:59 | HarleyPig | sex and linus and bill ... |
| 15:42:07 | HarleyPig | ummm that's just a scary mental image. |
| 15:42:29 | shane | indeed. |
| 15:42:30 | scothoser | Don't we have filters to take care of topics like that? ^_^ |
| 15:42:47 | Jayce^ | is still amazed at the number of macs at this conference. |
| 15:42:49 | HarleyPig | Naw ... that's just over http so far. |
| 15:42:49 | shane | I left out a few details. ;-) |
| 15:43:17 | shane | yep, apparently apple is selling well to open sourcerers |
| 15:43:28 | HarleyPig | Hey, shane, does zope have any better perl integration yet? |
| 15:43:33 | Jayce^ | I'd sure love a Ti, and even a newer Ibook.. |
| 15:43:36 | shane | not yet. |
| 15:43:56 | scothoser | Course, then the filtered topic would be "This bioinformationcs talk talked about sex and now is comparing Linus Torvalds to <filtered content>.. ^_^ |
| 15:44:01 | Jayce^ | you see that new zope style template kit for perl.. for those who want a better implementation |
| 15:44:04 | Jayce^ | ducks |
| 15:44:10 | shane | Like I told Jayce^, every time someone wants to improve the integration, they just end up migrating to python... |
| 15:44:30 | HarleyPig | :D uh huh |
| 15:45:05 | HarleyPig | Or just dropping it |
| 15:45:39 | scothoser | Hey, why don't we just all start coding in pig-latin C.. Doesn't that sound like fun? ^_^ |
| 15:45:48 | shane | Actually, Activestate has an interest in both languages, so their work has gotten pretty far. |
| 15:45:58 | Jayce^ | depends, will it have {} or whitespace ?? :D |
| 15:46:13 | Jayce^ | yeah, pretty good example there.. tcl too.. |
| 15:46:30 | Jayce^ | too much focus on PHP though.. |
| 15:46:50 | scothoser | "#includeay <iostreamay> |
| 15:47:07 | Jayce^ | brain.... hurts.. |
| 15:47:19 | shane | ok, I need to pay attention to the talk. :-) |
| 15:47:21 | Jayce^ | oidvay ainmay() |
| 15:47:23 | scothoser | "usingay amspacenay saytayday; |
| 15:48:44 | scothoser | outcay >> "Ouldcay ouyay epeatray atthay?\nay"; |
| 15:49:35 | Jayce^ | just use the klingon perl language module |
| 15:50:13 | scothoser | Is there a Linear A perl module? ^_^ |
| 15:50:31 | Jayce^ | Lingua::Romana::Perligata |
| 15:50:45 | scothoser | Ahh.. Latin perl! |
| 15:51:10 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. new search.cpan.org being beta tested... very very cool.. |
| 15:51:25 | Jayce^ | you can browse, access versions.. fulltext searching.. |
| 15:53:24 | scothoser | Man! either I am easily amused, or Sluggy Freelance is just a brilliant work of art.. |
| 15:53:37 | Jayce^ | sluggy is king |
| 15:53:41 | scothoser | I'm not ruling out either option, tho.. ^_^ |
| 15:54:15 | scothoser | I started re-reading the comic from the beginning.. I forgot about the rampant abuse of puns.. |
| 15:54:21 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 15:57:51 | scothoser | "Riff, why do my intestines hurt? |
| 15:58:11 | scothoser | "Becuase you just shook up a beer and guzzled it down without bealching." |
| 15:58:22 | scothoser | s/belching/bealching |
| 16:00:19 | hathawsh | (shane) turns on the logging client |
| 16:01:11 | Jayce^ | needs to go move rooms... the hotel is moving us up into the tower.. having a party in the wing we're in right now.. |
| 16:01:21 | Jayce^ | bbiab, if I get disconnected.. |
| 16:02:21 | Jayce^ | warwalking with a laptop :D |
| 16:02:56 | scothoser | ^_^ Sounds like a fun activity... Do you get extra credit? ^_^ |
| 16:03:30 | shane | no one is quite sure where the wireless hubs are at the conference, so we've all been warwalking :-) |
| 16:04:45 | scothoser | is thinking about warwalking in the office.. oops! already did! |
| 16:55:51 | scothoser | Shane, you still htere? |
| 18:11:53 | shane | I'm here (but I was looking away) |
| 18:12:32 | scothoser | man, I had Joe on the line. I was going to tell him to get on IRC.. |
| 18:12:54 | BZFlag | http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/User_Groups/North_America/United_States/Utah/ |
| 18:13:09 | BZFlag | I'm now the editor. please send addition groups or updates to me. ;-) |
| 18:13:36 | shane | Now that I know about this channel, I'll join it from time to time. |
| 18:14:23 | scothoser | sweet! ^_^ |
| 18:14:36 | scothoser | So, what flavor of Linux are you using nowadays shane? |
| 18:14:49 | shane | mandrake still. |
| 18:15:28 | scothoser | Hmm.. Have you checked out Source Mage? I really like it. 20 sec. from startup to login.. |
| 18:15:54 | shane | Does it use sysV init? |
| 18:16:31 | scothoser | I believe so.. I don't know for sure.. |
| 18:17:59 | shane | Does it have an /etc/rc.d directory? |
| 18:18:18 | scothoser | yes. the init.d is also in the /etc/ directory |
| 18:19:51 | shane | talks in real life for a moment... |
| 18:22:31 | BZFlag | /etc/rc.d is not required by LinuxBase, but /etc/init.d is. |
| 18:23:03 | BZFlag | though /etc/rc.d/rc?.d/ is normally where the link scripts live. |
| 18:23:31 | BZFlag | hates the /etc/rc.d/init.d/ ... should be /etc/init.d/ instead. |
| 18:23:50 | BZFlag | so anyone know of other Linux User's groups? |
| 18:30:00 | shane | so, scothoser, why is it so fast at booting up? |
| 18:30:17 | shane | Is it 20 seconds from BIOS POST to login prompt? |
| 18:30:51 | shane | (BTW I hear BeOS could do it in 4 seconds ;-) |
| 18:31:19 | scothoser | It doesn't take a lot of time loading apps that you don't need. You start with the core (kernel, vi, etc), and then it loads apps that you add later. |
| 18:31:33 | scothoser | It's 20 sec. from power-on to login. |
| 18:31:58 | scothoser | The best thing about it is that you install everything from source. |
| 18:31:59 | shane | Some BIOSes take 20 seconds to POST, so that's not a good measurement. :-) |
| 18:32:33 | scothoser | This was my dual 350 Mhz system with an Award BIOS.. |
| 18:34:24 | shane | Does it provide a way to distribute binary packages? |
| 18:34:52 | shane | (Obviously one could install RPM, I guess ;-) |
| 18:35:20 | scothoser | It uses "spells", which one can write, which downloads the most recent version of the program, and compiles it from source. |
| 18:35:34 | scothoser | You could install RPM if you wish, but you don't need to.. |
| 18:36:17 | shane | It sounds like a role playing game (I'm looking at the site too) ;-) |
| 18:36:55 | shane | what is source mage's claim to fame? |
| 18:37:02 | shane | What makes it different? |
| 18:38:04 | scothoser | Everything, from the kernel to X, to the video modules, are compiled from source. This makes it faster than a traditional distro. |
| 18:38:20 | shane | gentoo does that too, as does freeBSD. |
| 18:39:14 | scothoser | Yeah.. but how many distros let you install a source program by typing "cast?" ^_^ |
| 18:39:34 | shane | ln -s /usr/bin/rpm cast |
| 18:39:37 | shane | ;-) |
| 18:39:48 | scothoser | :P |
| 18:39:51 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 18:40:41 | shane | I've been thinking about trying Gentoo. |
| 18:40:50 | scothoser | I like installing everything from source. Source Mage lets you do that. Also, it is really easy to keep updated, and the distro is updated every 2 to 3 days. (when they get their act together again). |
| 18:41:04 | shane | I hear it takes 3 days to compile, though! |
| 18:41:54 | shane | I like being able to "urpmi openssh", for example, to just get the latest stuff right away. |
| 18:42:21 | BZFlag | hmmm. or you could "apt-get source --build foo" |
| 18:42:51 | scothoser | Only if you want to compile KDE. I was able to install the kernel and compile X with icewm in 2 days. ^_^ When you update, it updates everything within a day or so (depending on how much you have installed). |
| 18:43:50 | shane | Just for fun, I'm updating my system right now. |
| 18:43:59 | BZFlag | hmm,,, alias cast="apt-get source --build" |
| 18:45:47 | shane | no updates. Everything is secure. :-) |
| 18:46:21 | shane | Building from source is good if you must have the very latest all the time. |
| 18:46:56 | shane | A 3 or 4 month lag is no problem for me, especially since that way I can install in 60 seconds. |
| 18:47:53 | shane | goes to lunch |
| 18:48:18 | scothoser | catch you later shane! |
| 19:57:57 | Jayce^ | interesting, but makes sense.. php is installed as merely an output handler for apache.. instead of perl's content handler (as well as multiple other handler points) |
| 20:13:08 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... does that mean you could use perl to generate php? |
| 20:13:09 | HarleyPig | ducks. |
| 20:16:34 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 21:02:11 | fozzmoo | woops. :) |
| 21:02:12 | fozzmoo | pukes at the thought. |
| 21:10:00 | HarleyPig | ? |
| 21:10:11 | HarleyPig | There are a lot of thoughts to puke at. |
| 21:10:18 | fozzmoo | Generating PHP from Perl - just sounds... nauseous. :) |
| 21:11:59 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 21:59:24 | Jayce^ | hathawsh: you in the python lightning talks? |
| 22:05:46 | Jayce^ | http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top_Expert---5_over_5.html |
| 22:11:18 | balizar | any of you do any X app coding? |
| 22:11:44 | Jayce^ | just plain gui apps? |
| 22:11:45 | Bradipo | I wrote a small application once, but no more than that. |
| 22:12:12 | Bradipo | But I don't have any other experience at it... |
| 22:12:26 | balizar | how do you tell an xapp to reinitialize its resources |
| 22:12:40 | Bradipo | Beyond me... :-) |
| 22:13:03 | balizar | just hoping somebody might know so i can be lazy:) |