irclog2html for utah on 2002.07.22

irclog2html for utah on 2002.07.22 04:19:34 fozzmoo albino: Hi 04:19:48 albino fozzmoo: Whats up 04:20:04 fozzmoo Oh... not much just listening to an archive of WOPN's broadcast from last night. 04:20:08 albino fozzmoo: When is that slashdot meetup - I saw that you were signed up for it - 04:20:19 fozzmoo Oh gee. I haven't heard anything about that. 04:20:28 fozzmoo Or if I did... I forgot. :) 04:20:32 albino fozzmoo: I forgot what the url of the site for it was 04:20:34 albino lol 04:21:16 albino It is always good to sign up for something and then forget about it 04:22:19 fozzmoo Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time. 04:23:07 fozzmoo Oh- I'm also installing OpenOffice 1.0.1 04:24:01 albino How is that going? I have never used it. If I had a good internet connection I would have downloaded it a few months ago 04:24:07 fozzmoo :) 04:24:09 fozzmoo I like it. 04:24:31 fozzmoo You shoudl have someone in the club burn you a CD. 04:25:15 albino What I really need is someone in the group to setup a wireless link with me so I can have the internet fast again and get rid of the phone line in the apartment 04:26:08 fozzmoo Where are you located? 04:26:40 albino Logan Pointe Apartments behind the Mall 04:28:10 fozzmoo Hmmm. Behind Mr. Mac? 04:29:12 albino yes that is exactly where I live 04:29:31 fozzmoo My wife works at Ingeo - they're in that building by Mr. Mac 04:29:59 fozzmoo Hmmm... erikrj lives across the street in those apartments east of WalMart. 04:30:11 fozzmoo And entropy lives southeast of you. 04:31:22 albino fozzmoo: I have been trying to get a hold of entropy for quite some time, we have already had numerous discussions on the topic prior to this summer and I am sure he would luv to set it up, I just don't know how to get a hold of him now that FSLC isn't having meetings anymore. 04:32:05 fozzmoo I dabble. :) 04:32:08 albino I also talked to erikrj about it, he seemed a little interested although I am still looking at what it would cost to do this 04:32:12 albino heh thx again 04:32:13 fozzmoo Woops - wrong window. :) 04:32:55 albino np 04:36:32 albino I got a weird problem that maybe you can help me out with -- When I bring up Xterm in Xwindows nothing shows up. Meaning it is just a blank window. This is a problem I have no idea how to tackle and just started happening last week. 04:37:06 fozzmoo You coiuld try hard-coding the -fg and -bg colors and see if that helps. 04:37:28 fozzmoo xterm -fg green -bg black 04:37:50 albino okay 04:37:53 albino let me try that 04:38:18 fozzmoo If that solves your problem then check your .Xdefaults file. 04:46:57 albino Thanks 04:53:17 fozzmoo npw 04:57:50 albino Night man 05:03:23 fozzmoo Later 14:07:42 han_solo morning all 14:12:45 tensai hallo 14:47:33 Jayce^ howdy folks.. 14:47:39 Bradipo Howdy. 14:48:20 han_solo morning 15:09:09 Jayce^ listens to the "advanced data structures in Perl" class at oscon 15:10:07 han_solo plugs his headphones into jayce's ear 15:10:43 Jayce^ hehe 15:10:53 Jayce^ cool.. did you know that in $foo[1]->[2]; doesn't need the arrow? 15:11:15 Jayce^ (given an array of references, linked to an array) 15:36:22 han_solo mozilla imap Maildir, anyone? 15:36:38 Bradipo What about maildir? 15:36:53 han_solo creating a maildir folder in mozilla over imap 15:37:02 han_solo i only get mbox-style, and don't see any settings 15:37:37 han_solo (reads maildir boxes that I create manually just fine) 15:41:58 Bradipo Well, if you are using IMAP, your IMAP server needs to support creation of maildir folders. 15:42:34 Bradipo It's not a setting Mozilla at all. 15:43:21 han_solo i thought that might be it. what suggestions for servers? I've tried courier and wasn't impressed (know that supports maildir) I'm using uw, it supports maildir reading but perhaps not creating.. 15:43:34 Bradipo Courier-IMAP 15:43:44 Bradipo We use Courier-IMAP in production here. 15:43:46 Bradipo It's excellent. 15:43:59 han_solo maybe I'll look at it again. 15:44:09 Bradipo Well, it depends on your situation. 15:44:17 Bradipo Why weren't you impressed? 15:44:46 han_solo don't remember specifically, but it was doing some very strange things and didn't seem to be behaving in any sort of standard way. 15:44:56 Bradipo Oh. 15:52:49 euler pretty nice state you guys have there. 15:54:47 han_solo now I remember why - I have lots of email in regular mbox format and courier-imap doesn't support regular, only maildir 15:55:04 Bradipo So, convert mbox to maildir 15:55:12 Bradipo It's clearly the better mailbox format. ;-) 15:55:42 han_solo but if there's a quick util to convert... 15:55:47 Bradipo There is a script called mbox2maildir that exists. 15:55:49 Bradipo There is. 15:56:06 Bradipo Go to http://www.qmail.org/ and look for mbox2maildir or look in the utilities. 15:57:04 han_solo the downside is, I would have to reconfigure my mail server to store the inbox in maildir, have all users convert their folders to maildir, and reconfigure their (and my) procmail settings 15:57:17 Bradipo Yeah. 15:57:22 Bradipo It could be a lot of work. 15:57:33 Bradipo I don't know of any IMAP daemon that supports writing both formats. 15:57:41 Bradipo How would you specify which format to use? 15:57:51 Bradipo It's not part of the IMAP protocol. 15:58:13 han_solo that's true. I guess for now it's easier to just keep going with uw and add maildir boxes by hand 16:47:06 Jayce^ hey scott.... you there? 18:44:29 han_solo yawns 19:06:40 han_solo anyone know what wattage an amd k6-2 500mhz needs? is 250 enough? 19:28:54 euler han_solo: What other stuff is in the box? 19:43:51 Jayce^ hey HarleyPig 19:43:56 Jayce^ guess where I am :D 19:52:42 HarleyPig ignores the little man in the corner. 19:55:26 HarleyPig Ok, I give. What tutorial are you in? 19:57:08 Jayce^ optimizing mysql 19:57:25 Jayce^ Dave's sitting next to me.. 19:59:40 HarleyPig :> Cool. Did he ever get married? 19:59:45 HarleyPig Tell him I said hi. 19:59:51 Jayce^ Aug. 8th 20:00:16 HarleyPig Wild. Does he have any pics of her up somewhere? 20:00:38 Jayce^ I dont' think she's into that... but you never know with Dave 20:00:55 HarleyPig :> I didn't mean it like *that*! 20:00:59 Jayce^ Dave wants your address 20:01:00 euler Jayce^: Not that kind of pics... 20:01:02 HarleyPig mumbles something about perverts! 20:01:26 Jayce^ hey, you were the one asking.. 20:01:45 HarleyPig Well, yeah, but still. 20:01:49 HarleyPig :] 20:01:51 Jayce^ hehe 20:24:17 Jayce^ wow.. some people here are dumb enough to use telnet on the wireless connection here at OSCON.. 20:26:31 levi Maybe they've just got exhibitionist tendencies deep inside. 20:27:11 Jayce^ hehe.. 20:27:20 Jayce^ especially in this crowd.. 20:35:52 han_solo euler: just the normal. hdds, sound, video, ethernet, cdrom 20:47:50 han_solo is trying courier. 1. maildir problems foreseen. 2. the thing won't authenticate me 21:03:51 Jayce^ They always talk about "terrorist networks" but I don't think their networks are very good 21:03:57 Jayce^ they have like Arcnet or something 21:04:09 Jayce^ (copied from #perl on rhizomatic 21:13:55 Bradipo Looks like plug.org still has problems? 21:14:12 Bradipo Is it's IP address 65.112.206.3 ? 21:14:29 Bradipo Also, does anyone know if the plug mailing list is archived? 21:16:16 han_solo what do you need Bradipo? I have a few saved up 21:16:17 Jayce^ it's archived, but not accessible at the moment.. 21:16:30 Bradipo Well, I need from February to now... 21:16:32 Jayce^ as for the site, somwthing is screwy with the isp's connection.. 21:16:45 han_solo sorry, don't have that many 21:16:58 Jayce^ byron.... hehehehee.. 21:18:02 byron how was it? 21:18:23 Jayce^ well, I'm in a mysql optimization class right now.. with monty sitting right behind me ;D 21:18:59 byron ahh, so it's still going on 21:19:16 byron so the developer is learning how to optimize his own software 21:19:20 byron are you blogging this? 21:20:31 Jayce^ yeah, as soon as I can get hold of the guy and get the plug site back up.. 21:20:59 Jayce^ actually, most the mysql team is here.. wonder why sasha didnt' come? 21:22:28 euler han_solo: High speed drive (7200 rpm? 21:22:44 han_solo yeah 21:22:54 han_solo 7200 21:23:14 euler han_solo: should be ok, but may be iffy. Higher speed drives and cdroms use more power. 21:23:35 han_solo rarely use cdrom 21:23:52 euler han_solo: well, there is no harm in trying it out. 21:24:04 han_solo not going to kill anything if I do? 21:24:06 euler I think it should work. 21:24:16 han_solo k. thanks for the opinino 21:24:19 euler han_solo: your cd drive may not fully spin up. 21:24:49 euler IIRC, I had a scsi drive and an AMD k6-2 400 running on a 250 Watt power supply. 21:24:52 han_solo well, it's an old one. not sure what but definitely not 80x or anything 21:25:24 euler Along with a zip drive, and cdrom. 21:48:04 han_solo k perl people, I want to know who owns file x 21:53:04 Jayce^ so, from perl you want a files stat? 21:54:35 HarleyPig: i'm not following you... 21:54:35 HarleyPig ibot, perldoc stat 21:54:40 HarleyPig stoopid bot 21:54:50 Jayce^: what? 21:54:50 Jayce^ ibot: perldoc -f stat 21:55:01 Jayce^ dangit... bzflag needs to load that pack.. 21:55:19 Jayce^ han_solo: it's the -s switch on a filename, or stat() 21:56:17 Jayce^ HarleyBot: perldoc -f stat 21:56:17 HarleyBot Jayce^: sorry... 21:56:26 Jayce^ Harley sux0rs 21:56:26 HarleyPig I thought I had it loaded ... 21:56:33 HarleyPig :P 21:56:33 Jayce^ yeah.. .riiiight.. 21:58:30 HarleyPig purldoc stat 21:58:31 HarleyBot No matches for keyphrase 'stat' found. 21:58:38 HarleyPig purldoc -f stat 21:58:39 HarleyBot No matches for keyphrase 'f stat' found. 22:00:43 No matches for keyphrase 'array' found. 22:00:43 HarleyPig purldoc array 22:00:43 HarleyBot No matches for keyphrase 'array' found. 22:00:52 HarleyPig purldoc stat 22:00:53 HarleyBot No matches for keyphrase 'stat' found. 22:01:10 HarleyPig Interesting ... ibot ignores stat. 22:01:52 HarleyPig Crap ... php is just different enough from perl that I can't figure out why this stoopid script is dying. 22:04:41 han_solo thanks, knowing it's stat is enough (got my handy perl in a nutshell book here) 22:05:11 Jayce^ get v2.0.. covers perl 5.8 ;D 22:05:18 han_solo got it. :) 22:06:26 HarleyPig I love comments: # Come to think of it, we're not using -w at all. I am 22:06:26 HarleyPig # DEFINITELY going to rewrite this, so please stop laughing 22:06:26 HarleyPig # at this code now. The other subroutine is reasonably well 22:06:26 HarleyPig # written, go read that one instead. 22:06:40 Jayce^ hehe 22:07:05 HarleyPig han_solo: See also lstat 22:07:11 Jayce^ and -s 22:07:20 Jayce^ depending on how you're getting that info. 22:07:46 HarleyPig -s? That just reports the file size. 22:11:07 Jayce^ just the size.. hrmm. that's right.. thought you got the stat 22:11:36 Jayce^ obviously haven't used it recently.. 22:11:54 HarleyPig thinks "Don't touch that!" 22:28:55 han_solo what's the bash way to do a foreach file in ls loop? 22:32:13 han_solo for f in `ls`; do echo $f; done <- any problems with that? Looks to work 22:33:57 HarleyPig han_solo: Should. 23:09:03 han_solo bradipo, i decided to try out courier 23:09:15 Bradipo Cool... 23:09:22 Bradipo And? 23:09:37 han_solo if I can get it work that is. I can't figure out where it's looking for mail 23:09:40 han_solo ~/Maildir ? 23:09:46 Bradipo Yeah. 23:09:50 Bradipo Unless you are using virtual domains. 23:10:07 han_solo it doesn't see my subfolders, and I don't see ones it creates (i.e. with mozilla) 23:10:28 Bradipo Subfolders should be created under INBOX. 23:10:36 han_solo o wait, I see... the names start with . 23:10:41 Bradipo Yeah. 23:11:17 Bradipo In the filesystem, they begin with dots. 23:11:34 han_solo now I remember why I was miffed. that really doesn't play nice with mutt. 23:11:35 Bradipo BTW, are you running qmail as the MTA? 23:11:44 han_solo no, exim. but I got it to deliver maildir 23:11:45 Bradipo Actually, mutt can read them just fine. 23:12:02 han_solo well it can read them, but I don't want to always type dots when changing mailboxes 23:12:07 Bradipo You just have to use c to change into a new mailbox. 23:12:25 Bradipo mutt can ``browse'' mailbox names I thought. 23:12:53 Bradipo But I see your point. 23:12:59 han_solo yes, but it's quicker to type c=gd<tab> than to browse down to gdmxml for example 23:13:02 Bradipo You could always configure mutt to use IMAP. :-) 23:13:22 Bradipo Well, you could try Cyrus. 23:13:27 Bradipo I believe it supports IMAP as well. 23:13:31 han_solo yeah, except it's not as fast when you have large mailboxes (like I do) and segfaults on hppa (the gnutls package) 23:13:51 Bradipo Er... 23:13:56 Bradipo I believe it support Maildir as well... 23:14:22 han_solo mutt supports maildir well. I think I'll just symlink my .mailboxes to mailboxes 23:14:29 Bradipo You could do that. 23:14:47 Bradipo Well, I meant, if you don't like Courier-IMAP, you could try Cyrus. 23:18:09 han_solo but I do remember now that that's why I was mad at courier. 23:18:21 han_solo oic. maybe I will. I thought I just about had it working but I don't 23:18:37 Bradipo Actually, the software is very well written. 23:18:47 Bradipo And the author has good goals in mind. 23:18:52 Bradipo It works great for IMAP access. 23:18:57 Bradipo But maybe not so great with mutt... 23:19:14 han_solo i believe it. I just wish it didn't make so many assumptions. (not having trouble with mutt - mozilla and squirrelmail and every other imap client) 23:19:33 Bradipo mutt isn't an IMAP client unless you use it that way. 23:19:52 Bradipo But I believe it works fine with almost all IMAP clients that I have tested. 23:20:13 han_solo yeah. but for all my messing I still haven't got it configured right because mozilla et al don't work right 23:20:15 Bradipo Which includes mozilla, netscape, imp, kmail, outlook and others. 23:20:22 Bradipo What's not working in Mozilla? 23:20:44 han_solo I try to subscribe to my mailboxes (moved to . files) 23:21:05 han_solo and it doesn't. So I fired up squirrelmail (web mail) and it has a problem with invalid mailbox names 23:21:24 han_solo squirrelmail has a setting for courier, which I have set 23:28:08 han_solo thanks for all your help btw, it helps to have someone familiar with courier 23:28:17 Bradipo No problem. 23:28:36 han_solo so courier-imap considers the inbox to be ~/Maildir right? 23:28:57 Bradipo Right. 23:29:06 Bradipo And any subfolders will be in ~/Maildir as well. 23:29:17 Bradipo And folders created through IMAP clients should be subfolders of Inbox. 23:31:35 HarleyPig How can a create one binary file out of multiple files? I thought it was cat file1 file2 file3 > file 23:31:39 han_solo ok, that was my problem. hmm, I think most of my difficulties stem from having a working setup and courier does it an entirely different way 23:31:47 han_solo harleypig, that's what I thought too 23:31:52 Bradipo HarleyPig: that should work. 23:32:26 Bradipo han_solo: True, if you were setting up a new system, things might be different. 23:32:38 HarleyPig Hmmm ... maybe I fat fingered something. 23:32:39 Bradipo Integration is almost always a headache. :-) 23:34:20 HarleyPig That was it ... I fat fingered something. Thanks. 23:42:16 han_solo hmm. doesn't like regular maildir folders 23:42:24 Bradipo What doesn't? 23:42:33 han_solo apparently they have to be created by the imap server itself (or maildirmake.courier) 23:42:41 han_solo it has some funky maildir extensions 23:42:48 it has been said that Like is it a gateway or and HP or something? 23:42:48 Bradipo Like what? 23:43:01 han_solo thanks ibot 23:44:01 Bradipo If you don't subscribe to folders, but instead uncheck the ``Show only subscribed folders'' option you should see them show up fine I believe. Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot logs, split per channel and by date, etc.

`04:19:34`	`fozzmoo`	`albino: Hi`
`04:19:48`	`albino`	`fozzmoo: Whats up`
`04:20:04`	`fozzmoo`	`Oh... not much just listening to an archive of WOPN's broadcast from last night.`
`04:20:08`	`albino`	`fozzmoo: When is that slashdot meetup - I saw that you were signed up for it -`
`04:20:19`	`fozzmoo`	`Oh gee. I haven't heard anything about that.`
`04:20:28`	`fozzmoo`	`Or if I did... I forgot. :)`
`04:20:32`	`albino`	`fozzmoo: I forgot what the url of the site for it was`
`04:20:34`	`albino`	`lol`
`04:21:16`	`albino`	`It is always good to sign up for something and then forget about it`
`04:22:19`	`fozzmoo`	`Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.`
`04:23:07`	`fozzmoo`	`Oh- I'm also installing OpenOffice 1.0.1`
`04:24:01`	`albino`	`How is that going? I have never used it. If I had a good internet connection I would have downloaded it a few months ago`
`04:24:07`	`fozzmoo`	`:)`
`04:24:09`	`fozzmoo`	`I like it.`
`04:24:31`	`fozzmoo`	`You shoudl have someone in the club burn you a CD.`
`04:25:15`	`albino`	`What I really need is someone in the group to setup a wireless link with me so I can have the internet fast again and get rid of the phone line in the apartment`
`04:26:08`	`fozzmoo`	`Where are you located?`
`04:26:40`	`albino`	`Logan Pointe Apartments behind the Mall`
`04:28:10`	`fozzmoo`	`Hmmm. Behind Mr. Mac?`
`04:29:12`	`albino`	`yes that is exactly where I live`
`04:29:31`	`fozzmoo`	`My wife works at Ingeo - they're in that building by Mr. Mac`
`04:29:59`	`fozzmoo`	`Hmmm... erikrj lives across the street in those apartments east of WalMart.`
`04:30:11`	`fozzmoo`	`And entropy lives southeast of you.`
`04:31:22`	`albino`	`fozzmoo: I have been trying to get a hold of entropy for quite some time, we have already had numerous discussions on the topic prior to this summer and I am sure he would luv to set it up, I just don't know how to get a hold of him now that FSLC isn't having meetings anymore.`
`04:32:05`	`fozzmoo`	`I dabble. :)`
`04:32:08`	`albino`	`I also talked to erikrj about it, he seemed a little interested although I am still looking at what it would cost to do this`
`04:32:12`	`albino`	`heh thx again`
`04:32:13`	`fozzmoo`	`Woops - wrong window. :)`
`04:32:55`	`albino`	`np`
`04:36:32`	`albino`	`I got a weird problem that maybe you can help me out with -- When I bring up Xterm in Xwindows nothing shows up. Meaning it is just a blank window. This is a problem I have no idea how to tackle and just started happening last week.`
`04:37:06`	`fozzmoo`	`You coiuld try hard-coding the -fg and -bg colors and see if that helps.`
`04:37:28`	`fozzmoo`	`xterm -fg green -bg black`
`04:37:50`	`albino`	`okay`
`04:37:53`	`albino`	`let me try that`
`04:38:18`	`fozzmoo`	`If that solves your problem then check your .Xdefaults file.`
`04:46:57`	`albino`	`Thanks`
`04:53:17`	`fozzmoo`	`npw`
`04:57:50`	`albino`	`Night man`
`05:03:23`	`fozzmoo`	`Later`
`14:07:42`	`han_solo`	`morning all`
`14:12:45`	`tensai`	`hallo`
`14:47:33`	`Jayce^`	`howdy folks..`
`14:47:39`	`Bradipo`	`Howdy.`
`14:48:20`	`han_solo`	`morning`
`15:09:09`	`Jayce^`	`listens to the "advanced data structures in Perl" class at oscon`
`15:10:07`	`han_solo`	`plugs his headphones into jayce's ear`
`15:10:43`	`Jayce^`	`hehe`
`15:10:53`	`Jayce^`	`cool.. did you know that in $foo[1]->[2]; doesn't need the arrow?`
`15:11:15`	`Jayce^`	`(given an array of references, linked to an array)`
`15:36:22`	`han_solo`	`mozilla imap Maildir, anyone?`
`15:36:38`	`Bradipo`	`What about maildir?`
`15:36:53`	`han_solo`	`creating a maildir folder in mozilla over imap`
`15:37:02`	`han_solo`	`i only get mbox-style, and don't see any settings`
`15:37:37`	`han_solo`	`(reads maildir boxes that I create manually just fine)`
`15:41:58`	`Bradipo`	`Well, if you are using IMAP, your IMAP server needs to support creation of maildir folders.`
`15:42:34`	`Bradipo`	`It's not a setting Mozilla at all.`
`15:43:21`	`han_solo`	`i thought that might be it. what suggestions for servers? I've tried courier and wasn't impressed (know that supports maildir) I'm using uw, it supports maildir reading but perhaps not creating..`
`15:43:34`	`Bradipo`	`Courier-IMAP`
`15:43:44`	`Bradipo`	`We use Courier-IMAP in production here.`
`15:43:46`	`Bradipo`	`It's excellent.`
`15:43:59`	`han_solo`	`maybe I'll look at it again.`
`15:44:09`	`Bradipo`	`Well, it depends on your situation.`
`15:44:17`	`Bradipo`	`Why weren't you impressed?`
`15:44:46`	`han_solo`	`don't remember specifically, but it was doing some very strange things and didn't seem to be behaving in any sort of standard way.`
`15:44:56`	`Bradipo`	`Oh.`
`15:52:49`	`euler`	`pretty nice state you guys have there.`
`15:54:47`	`han_solo`	`now I remember why - I have lots of email in regular mbox format and courier-imap doesn't support regular, only maildir`
`15:55:04`	`Bradipo`	`So, convert mbox to maildir`
`15:55:12`	`Bradipo`	`It's clearly the better mailbox format. ;-)`
`15:55:42`	`han_solo`	`but if there's a quick util to convert...`
`15:55:47`	`Bradipo`	`There is a script called mbox2maildir that exists.`
`15:55:49`	`Bradipo`	`There is.`
`15:56:06`	`Bradipo`	`Go to http://www.qmail.org/ and look for mbox2maildir or look in the utilities.`
`15:57:04`	`han_solo`	`the downside is, I would have to reconfigure my mail server to store the inbox in maildir, have all users convert their folders to maildir, and reconfigure their (and my) procmail settings`
`15:57:17`	`Bradipo`	`Yeah.`
`15:57:22`	`Bradipo`	`It could be a lot of work.`
`15:57:33`	`Bradipo`	`I don't know of any IMAP daemon that supports writing both formats.`
`15:57:41`	`Bradipo`	`How would you specify which format to use?`
`15:57:51`	`Bradipo`	`It's not part of the IMAP protocol.`
`15:58:13`	`han_solo`	`that's true. I guess for now it's easier to just keep going with uw and add maildir boxes by hand`
`16:47:06`	`Jayce^`	`hey scott.... you there?`
`18:44:29`	`han_solo`	`yawns`
`19:06:40`	`han_solo`	`anyone know what wattage an amd k6-2 500mhz needs? is 250 enough?`
`19:28:54`	`euler`	`han_solo: What other stuff is in the box?`
`19:43:51`	`Jayce^`	`hey HarleyPig`
`19:43:56`	`Jayce^`	`guess where I am :D`
`19:52:42`	`HarleyPig`	`ignores the little man in the corner.`
`19:55:26`	`HarleyPig`	`Ok, I give. What tutorial are you in?`
`19:57:08`	`Jayce^`	`optimizing mysql`
`19:57:25`	`Jayce^`	`Dave's sitting next to me..`
`19:59:40`	`HarleyPig`	`:> Cool. Did he ever get married?`
`19:59:45`	`HarleyPig`	`Tell him I said hi.`
`19:59:51`	`Jayce^`	`Aug. 8th`
`20:00:16`	`HarleyPig`	`Wild. Does he have any pics of her up somewhere?`
`20:00:38`	`Jayce^`	`I dont' think she's into that... but you never know with Dave`
`20:00:55`	`HarleyPig`	`:> I didn't mean it like that!`
`20:00:59`	`Jayce^`	`Dave wants your address`
`20:01:00`	`euler`	`Jayce^: Not that kind of pics...`
`20:01:02`	`HarleyPig`	`mumbles something about perverts!`
`20:01:26`	`Jayce^`	`hey, you were the one asking..`
`20:01:45`	`HarleyPig`	`Well, yeah, but still.`
`20:01:49`	`HarleyPig`	`:]`
`20:01:51`	`Jayce^`	`hehe`
`20:24:17`	`Jayce^`	`wow.. some people here are dumb enough to use telnet on the wireless connection here at OSCON..`
`20:26:31`	`levi`	`Maybe they've just got exhibitionist tendencies deep inside.`
`20:27:11`	`Jayce^`	`hehe..`
`20:27:20`	`Jayce^`	`especially in this crowd..`
`20:35:52`	`han_solo`	`euler: just the normal. hdds, sound, video, ethernet, cdrom`
`20:47:50`	`han_solo`	`is trying courier. 1. maildir problems foreseen. 2. the thing won't authenticate me`
`21:03:51`	`Jayce^`	`They always talk about "terrorist networks" but I don't think their networks are very good`
`21:03:57`	`Jayce^`	`they have like Arcnet or something`
`21:04:09`	`Jayce^`	`(copied from #perl on rhizomatic`
`21:13:55`	`Bradipo`	`Looks like plug.org still has problems?`
`21:14:12`	`Bradipo`	`Is it's IP address 65.112.206.3 ?`
`21:14:29`	`Bradipo`	`Also, does anyone know if the plug mailing list is archived?`
`21:16:16`	`han_solo`	`what do you need Bradipo? I have a few saved up`
`21:16:17`	`Jayce^`	`it's archived, but not accessible at the moment..`
`21:16:30`	`Bradipo`	`Well, I need from February to now...`
`21:16:32`	`Jayce^`	`as for the site, somwthing is screwy with the isp's connection..`
`21:16:45`	`han_solo`	`sorry, don't have that many`
`21:16:58`	`Jayce^`	`byron.... hehehehee..`
`21:18:02`	`byron`	`how was it?`
`21:18:23`	`Jayce^`	`well, I'm in a mysql optimization class right now.. with monty sitting right behind me ;D`
`21:18:59`	`byron`	`ahh, so it's still going on`
`21:19:16`	`byron`	`so the developer is learning how to optimize his own software`
`21:19:20`	`byron`	`are you blogging this?`
`21:20:31`	`Jayce^`	`yeah, as soon as I can get hold of the guy and get the plug site back up..`
`21:20:59`	`Jayce^`	`actually, most the mysql team is here.. wonder why sasha didnt' come?`
`21:22:28`	`euler`	`han_solo: High speed drive (7200 rpm?`
`21:22:44`	`han_solo`	`yeah`
`21:22:54`	`han_solo`	`7200`
`21:23:14`	`euler`	`han_solo: should be ok, but may be iffy. Higher speed drives and cdroms use more power.`
`21:23:35`	`han_solo`	`rarely use cdrom`
`21:23:52`	`euler`	`han_solo: well, there is no harm in trying it out.`
`21:24:04`	`han_solo`	`not going to kill anything if I do?`
`21:24:06`	`euler`	`I think it should work.`
`21:24:16`	`han_solo`	`k. thanks for the opinino`
`21:24:19`	`euler`	`han_solo: your cd drive may not fully spin up.`
`21:24:49`	`euler`	`IIRC, I had a scsi drive and an AMD k6-2 400 running on a 250 Watt power supply.`
`21:24:52`	`han_solo`	`well, it's an old one. not sure what but definitely not 80x or anything`
`21:25:24`	`euler`	`Along with a zip drive, and cdrom.`
`21:48:04`	`han_solo`	`k perl people, I want to know who owns file x`
`21:53:04`	`Jayce^`	`so, from perl you want a files stat?`
`21:54:35`		`HarleyPig: i'm not following you...`
`21:54:35`	`HarleyPig`	`ibot, perldoc stat`
`21:54:40`	`HarleyPig`	`stoopid bot`
`21:54:50`		`Jayce^: what?`
`21:54:50`	`Jayce^`	`ibot: perldoc -f stat`
`21:55:01`	`Jayce^`	`dangit... bzflag needs to load that pack..`
`21:55:19`	`Jayce^`	`han_solo: it's the -s switch on a filename, or stat()`
`21:56:17`	`Jayce^`	`HarleyBot: perldoc -f stat`
`21:56:17`	`HarleyBot`	`Jayce^: sorry...`
`21:56:26`	`Jayce^`	`Harley sux0rs`
`21:56:26`	`HarleyPig`	`I thought I had it loaded ...`
`21:56:33`	`HarleyPig`	`:P`
`21:56:33`	`Jayce^`	`yeah.. .riiiight..`
`21:58:30`	`HarleyPig`	`purldoc stat`
`21:58:31`	`HarleyBot`	`No matches for keyphrase 'stat' found.`
`21:58:38`	`HarleyPig`	`purldoc -f stat`
`21:58:39`	`HarleyBot`	`No matches for keyphrase 'f stat' found.`
`22:00:43`		`No matches for keyphrase 'array' found.`
`22:00:43`	`HarleyPig`	`purldoc array`
`22:00:43`	`HarleyBot`	`No matches for keyphrase 'array' found.`
`22:00:52`	`HarleyPig`	`purldoc stat`
`22:00:53`	`HarleyBot`	`No matches for keyphrase 'stat' found.`
`22:01:10`	`HarleyPig`	`Interesting ... ibot ignores stat.`
`22:01:52`	`HarleyPig`	`Crap ... php is just different enough from perl that I can't figure out why this stoopid script is dying.`
`22:04:41`	`han_solo`	`thanks, knowing it's stat is enough (got my handy perl in a nutshell book here)`
`22:05:11`	`Jayce^`	`get v2.0.. covers perl 5.8 ;D`
`22:05:18`	`han_solo`	`got it. :)`
`22:06:26`	`HarleyPig`	`I love comments: # Come to think of it, we're not using -w at all. I am`
`22:06:26`	`HarleyPig`	`# DEFINITELY going to rewrite this, so please stop laughing`
`22:06:26`	`HarleyPig`	`# at this code now. The other subroutine is reasonably well`
`22:06:26`	`HarleyPig`	`# written, go read that one instead.`
`22:06:40`	`Jayce^`	`hehe`
`22:07:05`	`HarleyPig`	`han_solo: See also lstat`
`22:07:11`	`Jayce^`	`and -s`
`22:07:20`	`Jayce^`	`depending on how you're getting that info.`
`22:07:46`	`HarleyPig`	`-s? That just reports the file size.`
`22:11:07`	`Jayce^`	`just the size.. hrmm. that's right.. thought you got the stat`
`22:11:36`	`Jayce^`	`obviously haven't used it recently..`
`22:11:54`	`HarleyPig`	`thinks "Don't touch that!"`
`22:28:55`	`han_solo`	`what's the bash way to do a foreach file in ls loop?`
`22:32:13`	`han_solo`	for f in `ls`; do echo $f; done <- any problems with that? Looks to work
`22:33:57`	`HarleyPig`	`han_solo: Should.`
`23:09:03`	`han_solo`	`bradipo, i decided to try out courier`
`23:09:15`	`Bradipo`	`Cool...`
`23:09:22`	`Bradipo`	`And?`
`23:09:37`	`han_solo`	`if I can get it work that is. I can't figure out where it's looking for mail`
`23:09:40`	`han_solo`	`~/Maildir ?`
`23:09:46`	`Bradipo`	`Yeah.`
`23:09:50`	`Bradipo`	`Unless you are using virtual domains.`
`23:10:07`	`han_solo`	`it doesn't see my subfolders, and I don't see ones it creates (i.e. with mozilla)`
`23:10:28`	`Bradipo`	`Subfolders should be created under INBOX.`
`23:10:36`	`han_solo`	`o wait, I see... the names start with .`
`23:10:41`	`Bradipo`	`Yeah.`
`23:11:17`	`Bradipo`	`In the filesystem, they begin with dots.`
`23:11:34`	`han_solo`	`now I remember why I was miffed. that really doesn't play nice with mutt.`
`23:11:35`	`Bradipo`	`BTW, are you running qmail as the MTA?`
`23:11:44`	`han_solo`	`no, exim. but I got it to deliver maildir`
`23:11:45`	`Bradipo`	`Actually, mutt can read them just fine.`
`23:12:02`	`han_solo`	`well it can read them, but I don't want to always type dots when changing mailboxes`
`23:12:07`	`Bradipo`	`You just have to use c to change into a new mailbox.`
`23:12:25`	`Bradipo`	mutt can ``browse'' mailbox names I thought.
`23:12:53`	`Bradipo`	`But I see your point.`
`23:12:59`	`han_solo`	`yes, but it's quicker to type c=gd<tab> than to browse down to gdmxml for example`
`23:13:02`	`Bradipo`	`You could always configure mutt to use IMAP. :-)`
`23:13:22`	`Bradipo`	`Well, you could try Cyrus.`
`23:13:27`	`Bradipo`	`I believe it supports IMAP as well.`
`23:13:31`	`han_solo`	`yeah, except it's not as fast when you have large mailboxes (like I do) and segfaults on hppa (the gnutls package)`
`23:13:51`	`Bradipo`	`Er...`
`23:13:56`	`Bradipo`	`I believe it support Maildir as well...`
`23:14:22`	`han_solo`	`mutt supports maildir well. I think I'll just symlink my .mailboxes to mailboxes`
`23:14:29`	`Bradipo`	`You could do that.`
`23:14:47`	`Bradipo`	`Well, I meant, if you don't like Courier-IMAP, you could try Cyrus.`
`23:18:09`	`han_solo`	`but I do remember now that that's why I was mad at courier.`
`23:18:21`	`han_solo`	`oic. maybe I will. I thought I just about had it working but I don't`
`23:18:37`	`Bradipo`	`Actually, the software is very well written.`
`23:18:47`	`Bradipo`	`And the author has good goals in mind.`
`23:18:52`	`Bradipo`	`It works great for IMAP access.`
`23:18:57`	`Bradipo`	`But maybe not so great with mutt...`
`23:19:14`	`han_solo`	`i believe it. I just wish it didn't make so many assumptions. (not having trouble with mutt - mozilla and squirrelmail and every other imap client)`
`23:19:33`	`Bradipo`	`mutt isn't an IMAP client unless you use it that way.`
`23:19:52`	`Bradipo`	`But I believe it works fine with almost all IMAP clients that I have tested.`
`23:20:13`	`han_solo`	`yeah. but for all my messing I still haven't got it configured right because mozilla et al don't work right`
`23:20:15`	`Bradipo`	`Which includes mozilla, netscape, imp, kmail, outlook and others.`
`23:20:22`	`Bradipo`	`What's not working in Mozilla?`
`23:20:44`	`han_solo`	`I try to subscribe to my mailboxes (moved to . files)`
`23:21:05`	`han_solo`	`and it doesn't. So I fired up squirrelmail (web mail) and it has a problem with invalid mailbox names`
`23:21:24`	`han_solo`	`squirrelmail has a setting for courier, which I have set`
`23:28:08`	`han_solo`	`thanks for all your help btw, it helps to have someone familiar with courier`
`23:28:17`	`Bradipo`	`No problem.`
`23:28:36`	`han_solo`	`so courier-imap considers the inbox to be ~/Maildir right?`
`23:28:57`	`Bradipo`	`Right.`
`23:29:06`	`Bradipo`	`And any subfolders will be in ~/Maildir as well.`
`23:29:17`	`Bradipo`	`And folders created through IMAP clients should be subfolders of Inbox.`
`23:31:35`	`HarleyPig`	`How can a create one binary file out of multiple files? I thought it was cat file1 file2 file3 > file`
`23:31:39`	`han_solo`	`ok, that was my problem. hmm, I think most of my difficulties stem from having a working setup and courier does it an entirely different way`
`23:31:47`	`han_solo`	`harleypig, that's what I thought too`
`23:31:52`	`Bradipo`	`HarleyPig: that should work.`
`23:32:26`	`Bradipo`	`han_solo: True, if you were setting up a new system, things might be different.`
`23:32:38`	`HarleyPig`	`Hmmm ... maybe I fat fingered something.`
`23:32:39`	`Bradipo`	`Integration is almost always a headache. :-)`
`23:34:20`	`HarleyPig`	`That was it ... I fat fingered something. Thanks.`
`23:42:16`	`han_solo`	`hmm. doesn't like regular maildir folders`
`23:42:24`	`Bradipo`	`What doesn't?`
`23:42:33`	`han_solo`	`apparently they have to be created by the imap server itself (or maildirmake.courier)`
`23:42:41`	`han_solo`	`it has some funky maildir extensions`
`23:42:48`		`it has been said that Like is it a gateway or and HP or something?`
`23:42:48`	`Bradipo`	`Like what?`
`23:43:01`	`han_solo`	`thanks ibot`
`23:44:01`	`Bradipo`	If you don't subscribe to folders, but instead uncheck the ``Show only subscribed folders'' option you should see them show up fine I believe.