| 00:51:21 | LrnChndlr | what is the filename where the machine name is set? |
| 00:51:45 | fugalh | what distribution? |
| 00:51:54 | LrnChndlr | mandrake 8.1 |
| 00:52:02 | fugalh | probably /etc/HOSTNAME (that's redhat) |
| 00:52:26 | fugalh | the command hostname sets the hostname, and that file is read at startup and calls hostname to set it. |
| 00:53:30 | LrnChndlr | hmm |
| 00:53:33 | LrnChndlr | not on mandrake |
| 00:54:16 | fugalh | try /etc/hostname |
| 00:54:30 | LrnChndlr | nope |
| 00:54:41 | fugalh | just checked - rh7.3 has /etc/hostname |
| 00:54:44 | fugalh | so does debian |
| 00:55:10 | LrnChndlr | [root@ppp etc]# ls -l *host* |
| 00:55:10 | LrnChndlr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27 Dec 19 2000 host.conf |
| 00:55:10 | LrnChndlr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189 Jun 25 02:11 hosts |
| 00:55:11 | LrnChndlr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 162 Oct 12 2001 hosts.allow |
| 00:55:11 | LrnChndlr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 348 Oct 12 2001 hosts.deny |
| 00:55:11 | LrnChndlr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 134 Oct 12 2001 hosts.mdkgiorig |
| 00:55:17 | LrnChndlr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 Oct 12 2001 lmhosts.OLD |
| 00:55:22 | LrnChndlr | not there |
| 00:55:31 | fugalh | try this: |
| 00:55:38 | fugalh | grep hostname /etc/init.d/* |
| 01:00:27 | LrnChndlr | nothin much in there |
| 01:01:13 | fugalh | did it find anything? |
| 01:01:13 | LrnChndlr | if i run the hostname command it tells me what it is currently set to, but it doesn't tell me where it is being set from |
| 01:01:30 | LrnChndlr | yeah, it just found some crap in the cups and lpd init scripts |
| 01:01:55 | fugalh | hmm. you're looking for something like this: hostname --file /etc/hostname |
| 01:02:05 | fugalh | that sets the hostname by the file /etc/hostname |
| 01:02:14 | fugalh | that's what my debian box does at least... |
| 01:06:02 | fugalh | it does that in /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 01:06:16 | fugalh | but of course that would be different in redhat or mandrake |
| 01:06:40 | LrnChndlr | i am kinda tracking it down, I think, there is some stuff in /etc/rc.d/ that is setting it, I am still looking for the file that it is getting it from though |
| 01:10:03 | LrnChndlr | WOOHOO! |
| 01:10:10 | LrnChndlr | /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 01:10:28 | fugalh | ah yes, the exciting /etc/sysconfig directory |
| 01:11:43 | LrnChndlr | ok, how do I get it to take effect? |
| 01:11:47 | LrnChndlr | do I have to reboot? |
| 01:11:54 | fugalh | you can reboot, or you can set it manually for now |
| 01:11:58 | fugalh | hostname myhostname |
| 01:12:04 | fugalh | (as root of course) |
| 01:12:55 | LrnChndlr | hmm |
| 01:14:08 | LrnChndlr | how do I reset it in my env? |
| 01:14:38 | fugalh | you mean your prompt? |
| 01:14:38 | LrnChndlr | will I need to shutdown X and logout to clear everything? |
| 01:15:01 | LrnChndlr | yeah, I guess just doeing it for one shell session will probably be sufficient for now |
| 01:15:09 | LrnChndlr | how |
| 01:15:41 | fugalh | well any new shells you open will have it set |
| 01:16:00 | fugalh | open a new xterm |
| 01:16:07 | fugalh | or type bash |
| 01:16:11 | LrnChndlr | even if opening them from with X? |
| 01:16:55 | LrnChndlr | hmm nope |
| 01:17:24 | LrnChndlr | the hostname command reset the hostname on the prompt, but when i look at my 'env' variables it still has my old hostname |
| 01:17:51 | fugalh | i guess a reboot's probably the simplest. logging out of x is probably good enough too. |
| 01:20:16 | LrnChndlr | i am trying to use the env command, but can't figure out the syntax |
| 01:20:25 | LrnChndlr | maybe it just won't work that way? |
| 01:20:34 | LrnChndlr | ok reboot :-( |
| 01:20:35 | fugalh | what is your shell? |
| 01:20:48 | LrnChndlr | bash, of course |
| 01:20:49 | LrnChndlr | :) |
| 01:20:58 | fugalh | export HOSTNAME=mynewhostname |
| 01:21:57 | LrnChndlr | ok that worked for the environment |
| 01:22:11 | LrnChndlr | but it's still not fixing the problem I am doing all this for |
| 01:22:32 | fugalh | what's that? |
| 01:23:46 | LrnChndlr | my work server does a reverse lookup on IP to see make sure it matches what my machine is claiming |
| 01:24:02 | LrnChndlr | and for some reason it won't let me connect |
| 01:24:18 | LrnChndlr | i connect, but it immediately closes the connection |
| 01:24:43 | LrnChndlr | where could i find the server log that would log the reason for this? |
| 01:25:17 | LrnChndlr | nevermind :-) |
| 01:25:27 | LrnChndlr | /var/log/daemon.log |
| 01:28:11 | LrnChndlr | hmm |
| 01:28:49 | LrnChndlr | looks like no forward DNS to match the reverse |
| 01:29:00 | scott | I keep thinking kurg when I see your nick |
| 01:29:04 | scott | the name of the bad guys in dungeon siege :) |
| 01:29:35 | LrnChndlr | so it's doing a lookup on my IP, finding a domain name, doing a lookup on that, and not getting any results |
| 01:30:33 | fugalh | what service? |
| 01:30:35 | fugalh | email? |
| 01:30:36 | LrnChndlr | so if my ISP adds my IP to their DNS server it should resolve (maybe?) |
| 01:30:46 | LrnChndlr | no... telnet :-) |
| 01:31:02 | fugalh | telnet is doing a reverse lookup? |
| 01:31:11 | LrnChndlr | REALLY OLD telnet |
| 01:32:06 | LrnChndlr | our FTP server does it too |
| 01:32:36 | LrnChndlr | no one knows how to turn it off, probably can't without recompiling or updating |
| 01:33:21 | LrnChndlr | % uptime |
| 01:33:21 | LrnChndlr | 8:38PM up 409 days, 23:46, 2 users, load averages: 0.24, 0.25, 0.25 |
| 01:33:30 | LrnChndlr | if it works, don't mess with it :-) |
| 01:33:37 | fugalh | :) |
| 01:33:56 | fugalh | then yes. but you might try putting an entry in /etc/hosts on the server |
| 01:34:06 | LrnChndlr | hmm good idea |
| 01:36:04 | LrnChndlr | dang |
| 01:36:48 | LrnChndlr | must not care about the hosts file |
| 01:37:49 | fugalh | time for dinner |
| 01:59:58 | Mr_Kreg | ya no kidding man |
| 02:00:26 | Mr_Kreg | realizes his abrupt intro successfully failed |
| 02:12:56 | LrnChndlr | Mr_Kreg: who is your ISP? |
| 02:13:08 | Mr_Kreg | sisna |
| 02:13:18 | Mr_Kreg | y? |
| 02:13:52 | LrnChndlr | just wondering how you got the cool kreg.org reverse DNS |
| 02:14:02 | LrnChndlr | did you have to pay extra? |
| 02:14:09 | LrnChndlr | was it hard to get them to do it? |
| 02:14:10 | Mr_Kreg | nope |
| 02:14:18 | Mr_Kreg | there cool abou tit |
| 02:14:23 | Mr_Kreg | about it |
| 02:15:21 | LrnChndlr | i wonder how hard it would be to get csolutions to set my ip to reverse to my personal domain |
| 02:16:05 | Mr_Kreg | >: ) |
| 02:19:00 | LrnChndlr | heh heh, I just sent an email asking them to do it, we'll see what comes of it |
| 02:51:40 | fugalh | hmm, my browser keeps caching the xsl stylesheet making it very difficult to debug. anyone know how to tell galeon to straighten up? |
| 02:58:43 | LrnChndlr | does it pay attention to no-cache headers? |
| 03:27:18 | fugalh | lrnchndlr: probably. is there something to put in my xml or xsl to tell it not to cache? |
| 03:28:27 | LrnChndlr | i dont know about that, i know that you can send the headers directly to the browser via perl or php |
| 03:33:03 | fugalh | I'm actually generating an xml file in perl which is then requested by the browser and an apache module does the xslt tranformation |
| 03:33:56 | fugalh | actually... maybe it's not doing it on the server. the browser must be applying the transformation |
| 03:34:23 | fugalh | but it should be. oh well, for another day |
| 14:20:28 | Rama | I just asked this on the plug list, but I remembered this was available as well. Anyone know of a good way to split a tar file into 2 separate tar files? |
| 14:21:47 | scott | you can split a file w/ the split command |
| 14:22:03 | scott | but I don't think you'd be able to just untar the two files later |
| 14:22:32 | Rama | Yeah - I'm looking to be able to untar both files later - I'd just like to split it in half. |
| 14:22:59 | Rama | (half of the archive in one file, and the other in the second tar file) |
| 14:29:25 | fugalh | morning all |
| 14:32:32 | scott | morning |
| 14:35:28 | Rama | morning |
| 14:44:39 | LrnChndlr | sweet |
| 14:45:25 | LrnChndlr | hi Jayce |
| 14:45:27 | Jayce^ | arghh.. ok, need some help.. |
| 14:45:34 | LrnChndlr | with? |
| 14:45:49 | Jayce^ | logged in as myselff I can't get any domain name outside of /etc/hosts toresolv.. |
| 14:45:53 | Jayce^ | as root they work.. |
| 14:46:18 | LrnChndlr | using what utility? a browser? |
| 14:46:25 | Jayce^ | anything... |
| 14:46:34 | Jayce^ | ping on command line, a browser.. anythign. |
| 14:46:41 | Jayce^ | btw, Hi loren |
| 14:46:52 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 14:47:24 | LrnChndlr | a permissions problem or an environment problem |
| 14:47:32 | Jayce^ | not sure.. |
| 14:48:01 | LrnChndlr | do an 'env' dump to a file as root, and to a separate file as yourself, and then compare the two |
| 14:48:11 | LrnChndlr | see if anything jumps out at you |
| 14:49:16 | LrnChndlr | i am happy this morning because my ISP fixed my IP to reverse to my domain name |
| 14:50:17 | Jayce^ | found it.. I'm at my in-laws in CA, using their DSL (instead of my normal connection) and rp-pppoe has a resolv.conf that only root can read.. |
| 14:51:20 | LrnChndlr | wow |
| 14:52:17 | LrnChndlr | with DSL they get a domain name like user-2ivfte7.dialup.mindspring.com? |
| 14:52:42 | LrnChndlr | not that it matters |
| 14:53:14 | Jayce^ | backing out, be back as non-root (talk about dangerous ;D ) |
| 14:55:00 | LrnChndlr | wb, Jayce |
| 14:55:06 | LrnChndlr | now i have to leave :) |
| 15:07:36 | Rama | I'm trying to use cdrecord (cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=2 /httpd.iso), and when the recording is done, I still can't read the cd. If I do a --toc on it, I get "cannot read toc header" - am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:10:37 | Jayce^ | did you put on joilet or rock-ridge info.. |
| 15:11:00 | Rama | I just put on joliet - do I need to add rock-ridge as well? |
| 15:18:45 | Jayce^ | not if you have joilet in your kernel |
| 15:22:51 | fugalh | anyone out there using the debian php4-xslt package? |
| 15:27:17 | zan_d | moronzzz in da Houuuuussssseeeeee! |
| 15:27:19 | zan_d | oops |
| 15:27:23 | zan_d | mormons |
| 15:29:09 | fleebie | raises an eyebrow |
| 15:29:23 | fozzmoo | pushes fleebie's eyebrow back down. |
| 15:29:53 | fugalh | i think he followed me here from #php. some are easily amused |
| 15:30:30 | Jayce^ | yeah.. #php .. for the feebl^H^H^H (/me get's attacked by the crowd) |
| 15:30:42 | fozzmoo | helps Jayce fight back |
| 15:31:09 | fozzmoo | #php... for people who aren't ready for #perl yet. |
| 15:31:19 | fozzmoo | :> |
| 15:31:25 | fugalh | lol. |
| 15:31:46 | Jayce^ | hehe.. #perl on openprojects isn't that bad... but the "official" one on rhizomatic (which seems to have nothign to do with perl) is crazy |
| 15:32:09 | fozzmoo | I'll have to check out #perl. |
| 15:32:24 | fozzmoo | I run #perl on fslc.usu.edu, but there's usually only 3-4 people in there. |
| 15:32:58 | Jayce^ | never been on that... I was going to start a plug/provopm one.. but figured there wouldn't be enough tarffic.. I like the #utah part |
| 15:34:21 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 15:34:29 | fozzmoo | There's talk about a SL.pm |
| 15:34:38 | tensai | Rama: are you burning a CDR or CDRW? |
| 15:34:51 | Rama | CDR |
| 15:34:56 | fozzmoo | I'm on the mailinglist. Sounds like they're planning a dinner gettogether in a couple weeks. |
| 15:35:47 | Jayce^ | cool.. we've never gotten too many people on provo.pm |
| 15:36:13 | Jayce^ | maybe I'll update SL.pm with the oscon/tpc info too |
| 15:36:39 | fozzmoo | I can't imagine a Logan.pm would be that big. :) |
| 15:36:48 | fozzmoo | That's why I'm hanging with the SL.pm'ers |
| 15:39:10 | Rama | tensai: it tells me "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom1, |
| 15:39:11 | Rama | or too many mounted file systems |
| 15:39:24 | Rama | " when I try to mount it after recording onto the cd |
| 15:39:48 | fugalh | rama sounds like you don't have joliet in your kernel, or the cd burned bad. |
| 15:40:13 | Rama | Wouldn't it give me an error if I don't have joliet in my kernel? |
| 15:40:29 | fugalh | it did: wrong fs type |
| 15:40:56 | fugalh | you can burn a joliet image without having joliet in the kernel |
| 15:40:58 | Rama | when I mount the iso file I can view the fs just fine - could it still be my kernel? |
| 15:41:20 | Rama | fugalh: how is that? |
| 15:42:05 | fugalh | disclaimer: I don't know enough about this to be authoritative. burning an image is just copying the bits to the Cd |
| 15:42:12 | fugalh | mounting it is another story |
| 15:42:34 | zan_d | ~this was a test of the emergency freak out system~ |
| 15:42:46 | zan_d | had this been an actual emergency, it would make sense |
| 15:42:51 | fugalh | i don't know if the iso itself is joliet or if that is part of the burn |
| 15:43:00 | | i haven't a clue, fugalh |
| 15:43:00 | fugalh | ibot, who is zan_d |
| 15:43:04 | zan_d | yeees! |
| 15:43:06 | fugalh | zan_d, who are you? |
| 15:43:08 | zan_d | is mysterious |
| 15:43:16 | zan_d | noone |
| 15:43:17 | zan_d | random |
| 15:43:27 | zan_d | tottally, channel list saw #utah |
| 15:43:36 | zan_d | i'm from a LUG in ct |
| 15:43:41 | zan_d | well new england |
| 15:43:42 | fugalh | I used to live in CT |
| 15:43:45 | fugalh | what part? |
| 15:43:51 | zan_d | fugalh: i live in watertown |
| 15:43:58 | zan_d | right now i'm at work in southbury |
| 15:44:00 | fugalh | cool. I was in danbury for awhile |
| 15:44:06 | zan_d | coo coo |
| 15:44:10 | fugalh | also new britain and hartfor |
| 15:44:11 | fugalh | d |
| 15:44:14 | zan_d | nice |
| 15:44:16 | Rama | zan_d: I live in Virginia |
| 15:44:20 | zan_d | but i'm a php developer |
| 15:44:25 | zan_d | web dev monkey |
| 15:44:43 | tensai | Rama: I've got a solution for your tar woes. |
| 15:44:44 | zan_d | that's who i am, and this is me in a nutshell |
| 15:44:48 | zan_d | is in a nutshell |
| 15:44:58 | Rama | tensai: what is that? |
| 15:45:32 | tensai | Rama: I can't see a way to split it, but I figured out how to create two files pretty easy |
| 15:45:52 | Rama | tensai: how is that? |
| 15:46:08 | zan_d | mmm |
| 15:46:22 | zan_d | contemplates cross-continent mergers and world domination |
| 15:46:32 | zan_d | with world biggest LUG |
| 15:46:44 | zan_d | muuahhaha |
| 15:46:49 | zan_d | anywho yeah back to wor |
| 15:46:51 | zan_d | work |
| 15:46:56 | tensai | Rama: I've got a perl script that figures half the size of the big tar, reads the file names from the archive and saves them out to two text files |
| 15:47:21 | tensai | Rama: tar can read those two lists and tar up just the files in them, creating two tars that are subsets of the original |
| 15:47:23 | tensai | make sense? |
| 15:47:31 | Rama | I thought about doing that. Have you already created one? |
| 15:47:37 | tensai | Rama: yup |
| 15:47:50 | Rama | cool - gimee gimee! |
| 15:47:59 | tensai | Rama: k |
| 15:48:00 | Jayce^ | I usually do it like Gary just recommended.. |
| 15:48:32 | Rama | Jayce^: I was trying to be lazy, but since Gary already created it for me, I can still be lazy |
| 15:49:01 | tensai | is not Gary |
| 15:49:08 | Jayce^ | no, gary on the mailing list... there is a size option in tar.. |
| 15:49:30 | tensai | Jayce^: really? I looked but saw no such thing |
| 15:49:49 | | rama: wish i knew |
| 15:49:49 | Rama | ibot: whois tensai |
| 15:50:02 | tensai | Rama: try /whois tensai |
| 15:50:33 | | OK, tensai. |
| 15:50:33 | tensai | ibot: tensai is a large salmon |
| 15:50:42 | Jayce^ | mmm.. smoked salmon |
| 15:50:44 | | rumour has it tensai is a large salmon |
| 15:50:44 | tensai | ibot: whois tensai |
| 15:50:49 | tensai | hah! |
| 15:50:56 | tensai | loves bots |
| 15:51:15 | tensai | Rama: did you get my DCC? |
| 15:53:40 | fugalh | how does one register his nick? |
| 15:53:56 | tensai | fugalh: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:00:01 | fugalh | is now registered |
| 16:03:40 | rama | Anyone know what kfmclient is? |
| 16:03:54 | fugalh | kde flying moose client |
| 16:03:58 | Bradipo | lol |
| 16:04:03 | rama | whatever it was it was causing my harddrive to race like crazy all of the sudden. restarting x solved it. |
| 16:04:12 | Bradipo | KFM is gonna rock you. |
| 16:04:13 | fugalh | sounds like a flying moose, alright |
| 16:04:34 | Bradipo | It's the kde file manager client I believe. |
| 16:04:55 | rama | weird - oh well it's fixed now |
| 16:05:22 | rama | Jayce^: I just read Gary's comment - that could be a good solution as well. |
| 16:06:20 | rama | I am so close to switching over to Windows to do my cd recording - I've never been able to get it to work right on this machine in Linux for some reason. |
| 16:06:32 | rama | I did it at work once just fine. |
| 16:06:45 | rama | well, my former work |
| 16:07:38 | rama | Jayce^: be glad you got out of OGF when you did - I was nice to them and Alan still won't give me a decent recommendation |
| 16:07:51 | rama | Luckily I have Barlow to use as a recommendation |
| 16:08:07 | rama | I never did get my vacation pay |
| 16:12:12 | fozzmoo | xcdroast rules! |
| 16:12:20 | rama | tensai: by the way hi Corey - sorry I called you Gary (they sound a little bit the same, don't they?) |
| 16:13:39 | Jayce^ | Alan will never give me a recommend.. and i DON'T WANT IT.. |
| 16:13:56 | Jayce^ | GTOASTER.. although I've heard really good thinkgs about cdbakeoven |
| 16:14:28 | rama | I don't particularly care for him either, but I would like to allow companies to just call onegreatfamily and ask for a recommendation for me, rather than making them call Barlow directly |
| 16:14:49 | Jayce^ | heh.. just have barlow give his opinions on them.. |
| 16:15:22 | rama | There you go - he and I had plenty of discussions on that before we left. |
| 16:18:03 | rama | will be back soon |
| 16:34:38 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 17:17:07 | \ | ibot help |
| 17:17:31 | \ | what is irc |
| 17:17:38 | | irc is, like, Internet Relay Chat |
| 17:17:38 | \ | ibot what is irc |
| 17:17:42 | | bugger all, i dunno, \ |
| 17:17:42 | \ | ibot what is \ |
| 17:17:44 | | \: no idea |
| 17:17:44 | \ | ibot what is ' |
| 17:17:47 | | i haven't a clue, \ |
| 17:17:47 | \ | ibot what is " |
| 17:18:15 | fugalh | wonder if he knows about /msg |
| 17:36:54 | rama | needs a better computer |
| 17:37:00 | rama | I think I might get a Mac |
| 17:37:08 | fugalh | loves macs |
| 17:37:41 | rama | I need a good multimedia computer that can do my cd recording, dvd recording, video editing, etc. |
| 17:38:41 | rama | needs a job first |
| 17:43:20 | fugalh | note, that's 'macs' and not 'emacs' |
| 17:43:31 | fugalh | shudders |
| 17:43:45 | rama | They need a computer named after vi |
| 17:44:35 | fugalh | they do. The viMac |
| 17:44:51 | rama | shudders |
| 17:45:06 | rama | I didn't know those two could be combined |
| 17:47:23 | fugalh | actually I've seen a script on vim.sf.net called 'vimacs' that feels like emacs for those that are scarred for life. |
| 17:59:01 | | today is probably the first day of the rest of my life |
| 17:59:01 | fugalh | ibot, what is today? |
| 20:00:18 | pajaro | is fugalh |
| 20:15:58 | pajaro | that java question from a couple of days ago - working great. I now have a polymorphic SAX Handler |
| 20:16:39 | HarleyPig | Handles alto and tenor equally well? |
| 20:16:56 | pajaro | even soprano |
| 20:17:20 | HarleyPig | :) |
| 20:17:44 | pajaro | Still having trouble with the baritone though - I think it's all the extra function calls |
| 20:25:03 | scott | where on resnet do you live? |
| 20:25:33 | pajaro | wyview |
| 20:30:13 | tensai | congralates pajaro on the new SAX handler |
| 20:33:35 | pajaro | thanks, tensai |
| 20:33:48 | tensai | parajo: why the new nick? |
| 20:34:15 | pajaro | fugalh is my login on just about every sytem I have a login on... security mindedness |
| 20:34:45 | pajaro | ponders whether he should have said that. |
| 20:35:24 | pajaro | alas someone already has Hans |
| 20:35:59 | tensai | pajaro: could have taken HansOlo |
| 20:36:19 | han_solo | that's better |
| 20:36:37 | tensai | han_solo: don't forget to re-register |
| 20:36:56 | han_solo | just linked to fugalh |
| 20:43:29 | | jayce^ was last seen on #utah 4 hours, 28 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: heh.. just have barlow give his opinions on them.. [Fri Jul 19 17:14:49 2002] |
| 20:43:29 | han_solo | ibot, seen jayce^ |
| 20:43:53 | han_solo | when does that conference start? |
| 20:44:42 | tensai | han_solo: july 22-26 |
| 21:09:01 | han_solo | sheilds his eyes from bzflag's glow |
| 21:36:49 | han_solo | clears his throat |
| 21:37:15 | han_solo | I would like to announce, Debian 3.0 (woody) is officially released. |
| 21:41:39 | andersee | Wohoo! |
| 21:42:47 | tensai | doesn't believe han_solo |
| 21:42:56 | han_solo | i just got the email |
| 21:43:09 | han_solo | From: Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.org> |
| 21:43:09 | han_solo | Subject: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 released |
| 21:43:09 | han_solo | To: Debian Announcements <debian-announce@lists.debian.org> |
| 21:44:12 | han_solo | http://www.debian.org/News/2002/20020719 |
| 21:44:14 | tensai | wow. now I can change all my sources.list from woody to stable |
| 21:45:14 | han_solo | has already fired up jigdo to get his very own debian 3.0 cd |
| 21:45:39 | tensai | I wonder if I have my old jigdo files laying around... |
| 21:46:11 | tensai | BZFlag: are you in charge of ibot? |
| 21:47:56 | | han_solo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:47:56 | han_solo | ibot, who is your master? |
| 21:49:24 | tensai | how many milliseconds in a second? |
| 21:49:30 | han_solo | 1000? |
| 21:49:39 | tensai | we'll see... |
| 21:50:22 | Jayce^ | debian 3.0 eh? |
| 21:50:31 | tensai | yup |
| 21:50:40 | tensai | 1000 is it |
| 21:51:01 | tensai | Jayce^: pondering a move to Debian from Gentoo? |
| 21:51:18 | tensai | Jayce^: ah, sorry. SMGL |
| 21:51:22 | han_solo | i thought jayce^ was using that gollum thing |
| 21:51:34 | tensai | preciousssss... |
| 21:53:41 | Jayce^ | nope.. |
| 21:53:59 | Jayce^ | just find it interesting that it's *finally* out |
| 21:54:17 | han_solo | does smeagol have 'releases' ? |
| 21:54:39 | Jayce^ | yeah... working towards our 1.0 being around october (halloween ;D ) |
| 21:54:50 | han_solo | we likes it, my preciouss |
| 21:54:59 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:55:09 | han_solo | when it's 1.0 maybe i'll give it a whirl |
| 21:56:08 | Jayce^ | maybe... things are really coming along nicely... |
| 21:56:39 | Jayce^ | one annoying thing, going to need to rebuild everything before long.. gcc isn't going to patch 3.1 after 3.1.1 jumping straight to 3.2.. |
| 21:56:56 | han_solo | then I'll definitely wait until after that. :) |
| 21:57:29 | Jayce^ | that's this month.. |
| 22:00:12 | han_solo | well, have fun everyone. I'm off to woo the wife |
| 22:02:55 | tensai | Jayce^: you married? |
| 22:03:11 | Bradipo | Already left... |
| 22:03:12 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:03:29 | Jayce^ | coming up on 4 years |
| 22:03:31 | Jayce^ | 1 kid |
| 22:03:43 | Bradipo | 3 years and 1 kid on the way here. |
| 22:04:02 | tensai | Jayce^: and she let you run off to OSCON? |
| 22:04:34 | Jayce^ | actually, we're at her mom's place right now ;D she get's a two week vacation, since we're in LA, and the conference is in San Diego |
| 22:07:15 | Jayce^ | hey HarleyPig, you actually there? |
| 22:07:28 | Jayce^ | knows that HarleyPig has never really been "all up there".. |
| 22:08:26 | | OK, tensai. |
| 22:08:26 | tensai | ibot: HarleyPig is rumored to not be "all up there" |
| 22:10:42 | Jayce^ | oh, he's going to kill us now ;D |
| 22:13:50 | | debian 3.0 is finally released!!!! |
| 22:13:50 | tensai | ibot: debian 3.0 |
| 22:14:26 | tensai | guess I ought to run off and woo the wife too. see ya |
| 22:15:49 | | ...but jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON... |
| 22:15:49 | HarleyPig | ibot, Jayce^ is a few electrons short himself. |
| 22:16:38 | | okay, HarleyPig. |
| 22:16:38 | HarleyPig | ibot, Jayce^ is also a few electrons short a charge. |
| 22:17:20 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:17:27 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig learns the "also" |
| 22:17:55 | HarleyPig | is ignoring Jayce^ for the next week. |
| 22:18:26 | Jayce^ | bwahaha |
| 22:18:32 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: dont' want me repeating stuff? |
| 22:18:44 | Jayce^ | I'm going to be ikn this room reporitng a lot |
| 22:19:07 | HarleyPig | What? I didn't quite hear that ... |
| 22:19:19 | HarleyPig | You better ... or I'll have to hack your system! |
| 22:19:25 | Jayce^ | I can't wait, one session the guy who is writing myperl will show how to use that.. including making Image::Magick calls inside of mysql... COOL |
| 22:19:33 | Jayce^ | hehe. |
| 22:19:49 | HarleyPig | myperl? perl embedded in mysql? |
| 22:20:45 | HarleyPig | Do we have an english page? |
| 22:21:45 | Jayce^ | that's it.. |
| 22:21:59 | Jayce^ | software.tangent.org |
| 22:22:04 | Jayce^ | he does some fun stuff |
| 22:22:31 | HarleyPig | I didn't find that one. |
| 22:23:56 | Jayce^ | I'm looking at the page again |
| 22:24:13 | HarleyPig | Sorry, google didn't give that in it's first page ... I'm there now. |
| 22:25:07 | Jayce^ | brian aker.. does some good modules... |
| 22:27:17 | HarleyPig | SlashRepository. Might be interesting. |
| 22:28:29 | Jayce^ | work in progress.. and probably won't work with the actual mysql brand stored procedures under development... but pretty darn nifty anyways.. |
| 22:31:02 | Jayce^ | http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2002/view/e_sess/2693 |
| 22:32:05 | Jayce^ | using image::magick inside there is just too cool |
| 22:34:43 | HarleyPig | Interesting ... mysql and postgresql are getting closer and closer, yet managing to remain true to their basic philosophies. |
| 22:38:13 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 22:39:13 | Jayce^ | http://chamas.com/bench/ |
| 22:40:14 | Jayce^ | I like how much faster it is than mod_php, and so much more than tomcat |
| 22:40:37 | HarleyPig | I don't really trust benchmarks that I haven't done myself ... but they are useful as a (large) ball field estimator. |
| 22:41:21 | Jayce^ | yeah, but this one includes the code... so you can have fun |
| 22:41:32 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I'm reading it now. |
| 22:41:36 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: any word on a perl 5.8 spell? |
| 22:42:08 | Jayce^ | anybody want to post the debian 3 and perl 5.8 news stories to Plug.org? |
| 22:42:14 | HarleyPig | Nope ... he's busy at the moment. |
| 22:42:25 | HarleyPig | Oh, that's right ... 5.8 is out. |
| 22:42:55 | HarleyPig | Or is supposed to be ... it's not up on www.perl.com. |
| 22:43:31 | HarleyPig | Hey, I missed this one: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/07/16/mod_perl.html |
| 22:43:40 | HarleyPig | is easily side ... oooohhhh ... loook. |
| 22:44:05 | Jayce^ | *poing* |
| 22:45:56 | HarleyPig | Yow! embperl sucks with this benchmark! |
| 22:46:27 | Jayce^ | hehe.. embperl just plain... oh wait.. |
| 22:46:32 | HarleyPig | So does TT! *whimper* |
| 22:47:02 | HarleyPig | HTML::Mason is useless in this benchmark! |
| 22:48:15 | Jayce^ | you using TT? |
| 22:49:42 | HarleyPig | Teaching myself ... it seemed the best of the 3 big ones. |
| 22:50:02 | HarleyPig | According to this benchmark, it's better than they are, but it still sucks memory. |
| 22:50:42 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 22:50:59 | Jayce^ | /. uses TTk |
| 22:52:15 | HarleyPig | Yeah, that's partly why I've been teaching myself. |
| 22:53:02 | HarleyPig | Intel makes microchips, not radios. But if the company?s newest manufacturing plans pan out, the distinction between the two products may disappear. According to chief technology officer Patrick Gelsinger, Intel is quickly learning how to build tiny radio transceivers from the same material it uses in microchips: silicon. Research progress inspired Gelsinger to announce in February an audacious plan to put a silicon-based radio on the corner of ev |
| 22:53:02 | HarleyPig | ery microchip the company sells, within as little as five years, at no extra cost to customers. |
| 22:53:02 | HarleyPig | - http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/innovation10602.asp |
| 22:53:40 | HarleyPig | Next stop, satellite recievers! |
| 22:54:01 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:55:08 | Jayce^ | hrmm. gaim seems to be randomly crashing on incoming messages |
| 22:55:30 | HarleyPig | That's bleeding edge for ya'! :> |
| 22:55:44 | HarleyPig | 'Flexible Transistors'! Cool! |
| 22:56:52 | HarleyPig | The MIT Media Lab's Neil Gershenfeld tours the building of the future, where interchangeable power sockets, switches and appliances snap into the walls?then plug into the Internet. - http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/demo0702.asp |
| 22:57:01 | HarleyPig | !? Even better! |
| 22:58:36 | HarleyPig | Did anyone see the article on /. about the 12cm 1Tb storage disk? |
| 22:58:44 | HarleyPig | wonders TB? |
| 22:58:57 | HarleyPig | Can never remember b/B ~ bits/bytes |
| 22:59:40 | Jayce^ | terabyte |
| 23:00:03 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I just can never remember which 'b' is for which unit. |
| 23:01:01 | BZFlag | a byte is bigger than a bit, so B byte, b bit. |
| 23:01:51 | HarleyPig | That's what I thought ... it took me 10 years to memorize e before i except after c. |
| 23:01:53 | HarleyPig | ummm ... |
| 23:02:11 | HarleyPig | is going home and pulling the covers over his head. |
| 23:02:55 | HarleyPig | It?s brilliant! It?s overrated! It?s the World Wide Web, the most important new medium since Gutenberg?or the most overhyped since smell-o-rama. |
| 23:03:04 | HarleyPig | from Technology Review |
| 23:03:32 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 23:05:04 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... anyone hear of the word 'perduring' before? |
| 23:05:13 | HarleyPig | www.dict.org can't find it any of it's dbs. |
| 23:05:41 | HarleyPig | Groaning beneath the weight of bricklike manuals, bookstore shelves across the nation testify to the perduring dysfunctionality of software. |
| 23:05:48 | HarleyPig | http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/mann0702.asp |
| 23:11:28 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 23:20:11 | HarleyPig | google shows it on a bunch of dissertations and other scholarly docs, but I can't find a definition anywhere. I can guess it's meaning from the context, but I don't like not knowing a word. |
| 23:21:37 | HarleyPig | Salad Bowl Religion |
| 23:21:45 | HarleyPig | Interesting analogy. |
| 23:22:22 | Jayce^ | ohhhh k |
| 23:22:40 | HarleyPig | "I wonder what my rebbe ancestors would think of me," writes a young Unitarian Universalist minister in The Burning Bush, the newsletter of the Unitarian Universalists for Jewish Awareness. "Would they be glad for me, proud of me, or shocked at me to hear me recite a bracha, a blessing on Friday night, and then see me in church on Sunday in my robes and stole which has on it a Jewish star and also crosses, symbols of Greek paganism and of nature, |
| 23:22:40 | HarleyPig | a depiction of a deity and a goddess no less?" |
| 23:22:54 | HarleyPig | http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9712/opinion/levenson.html |
| 23:23:53 | HarleyPig | askjeeves doesn't know what perduring means. |
| 23:24:01 | | harleypig: i haven't a clue |
| 23:24:01 | HarleyPig | ibot, what does perduring mean? |
| 23:24:05 | HarleyPig | Didn't think so. |
| 23:24:59 | HarleyPig | Crap ... should have gone to dictionary.com in the first place. |
| 23:25:09 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 23:25:13 | HarleyPig | per?dure Pronunciation Key (pr-dr, -dyr) |
| 23:25:14 | HarleyPig | intr.v. per?dured, per?dur?ing, per?dures |
| 23:25:14 | HarleyPig | To last permanently; endure. |
| 23:25:14 | HarleyPig | [Middle English perduren, from Old French pardurer, from Latin perdrre. See perdurable.] |
| 23:25:55 | HarleyPig | I thought that's what it meant, but I prefer to have something I can point to and say "Look! It sez so right here!" |
| 23:28:05 | Jayce^ | yeah, I seem to be doing that for you a lot ;DS |
| 23:28:41 | HarleyPig | loftily plucks imaginary lint from his lapel. |
| 23:28:59 | HarleyPig | Lotta l's in that one. |
| 23:29:26 | HarleyPig | Just read Sasha's email about getting a PLUG business or something going. |
| 23:29:41 | HarleyPig | Anyone here got any opinions on that? |
| 23:30:06 | HarleyPig | We've talked before about starting an ISP but nothing ever came of it. |
| 23:30:18 | Jayce^ | I'd be a bit afraid of having all of us in one boat, you know.. |
| 23:30:49 | HarleyPig | PLUG? or the members? |
| 23:31:14 | HarleyPig | I'd say start it with the foreknowledge that there is going to be a lot of churn and build it into the business model. |
| 23:31:52 | Jayce^ | but I'm not against helping it get going if it helps friends (read *me*) |
| 23:32:01 | Jayce^ | ;D |
| 23:32:02 | HarleyPig | :) Or me. |
| 23:32:27 | HarleyPig | I'd sure like to see an isp started, even if just for the learning experience it'd provide. |
| 23:33:02 | HarleyPig | I don't think there'd be a conflict of interest, service isn't IPI/AI's main product. |
| 23:33:24 | HarleyPig | And it'd sure be nice to work with some decent software. |
| 23:33:32 | HarleyPig | Anyone else paying attention in here? |
| 23:33:35 | Jayce^ | bwahaha |
| 23:33:52 | HarleyPig | mutters "How come everyone goes away when I get active in here!" |
| 23:33:59 | Jayce^ | you and scott, stuck in winderland |
| 23:34:06 | Jayce^ | really doesn't want to answer that.. |
| 23:34:13 | Jayce^ | or imagine an "active" HarleyPig |
| 23:34:45 | HarleyPig | Hell no ... well, occasionally, I have to write a perl or asp script for win32. |
| 23:35:12 | HarleyPig | Jayce^, oh, you don't know do you. I've got a membership at Gold's Gym ... I work out every morning now. |
| 23:35:18 | HarleyPig | Haven't felt this good in years. |
| 23:37:58 | Jayce^ | you said the as* word! |
| 23:38:07 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:38:13 | Jayce^ | and then said you felt good about it! |
| 23:38:59 | HarleyPig | as*? Oh ... asp ... don't take my comments out of context now ... next thing ya'know, you'll be bashin'! |
| 23:41:00 | Jayce^ | hey, bash is good.. |
| 23:41:13 | HarleyPig | yeah, but bashin' ain't! |
| 23:42:00 | HarleyPig | I know what you're gonna think of this Jayce^, but what about getting plug members to sell filtered access for IPI/AI ... d'you think they'd go for it? |
| 23:42:16 | HarleyPig | As a partial solution to the unemployment problem anyway. |
| 23:43:01 | HarleyPig | I think I can get $7/account/month. |
| 23:44:41 | HarleyPig | And we've go 'unofficial' set up for filter only access (which can be setup on Mac and *n*x). |
| 23:47:24 | Jayce^ | uhhh... like plug guys would want to sell access to a windows ISP |
| 23:47:48 | HarleyPig | It's money. |
| 23:48:17 | HarleyPig | And the filter isn't, it's linux based (I think it's based on squid). |
| 23:49:09 | HarleyPig | And besides, the sysadmin and the main programmer are both pushing for a linux based setup. |
| 23:49:17 | Bradipo | I would rather be poor and happy than rich and miserable. ;-) |
| 23:49:27 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 23:49:55 | Bradipo | What are you thinking of selling? |
| 23:50:00 | Bradipo | Oh, it's in the email... |
| 23:50:10 | HarleyPig | No ... |
| 23:50:22 | HarleyPig | my company sells filtered access. |
| 23:50:30 | Bradipo | Meaning? |
| 23:50:36 | HarleyPig | The difference is that it's server side, and a lot more flexible. |
| 23:50:44 | Bradipo | Filtered access to what? |
| 23:50:49 | HarleyPig | Oh, sorry. |
| 23:50:51 | Jayce^ | the big bad internet |
| 23:50:54 | HarleyPig | The internet. |
| 23:51:02 | Bradipo | Ahh, the Internet... ;-) |
| 23:51:10 | HarleyPig | PLUG members probably wouldn't find it useful ... |
| 23:51:15 | Bradipo | Not really. |
| 23:51:22 | Bradipo | But others they know might. |
| 23:51:23 | HarleyPig | but my mom loves it. |
| 23:51:37 | HarleyPig | That's my point ... |
| 23:51:50 | HarleyPig | I'm pretty sure I can get $7/account/month. |
| 23:52:06 | HarleyPig | As long as the account is active the seller will get $7 each month. |
| 23:52:24 | HarleyPig | Sounds like a mlm almost. |
| 23:52:25 | HarleyPig | :/ |
| 23:53:05 | HarleyPig | Anyway, I was just tossing that out as an idea for a plug side business. |
| 23:53:31 | Jayce^ | sure thing mlm boy... we all sign up under you ... ;D ;D |
| 23:54:06 | HarleyPig | Nope ... I'd get $2-3 per account per month for referring all of you. :] |
| 23:54:18 | HarleyPig | But that wouldn't affect the $7 month. |
| 23:54:50 | HarleyPig | So it's a sideways mlm. |
| 23:56:34 | Bradipo | I had my experience with MLM already... |
| 23:56:37 | Bradipo | I'll have no more of that. |
| 23:56:49 | HarleyPig | :) |
| 23:56:53 | Bradipo | Just not my kind of torture... I would rather go on a second mission. |
| 23:57:29 | HarleyPig | So have I ... I don't think this is a mlm really, but then, I'm not gonna go door to door either. |
| 23:57:44 | HarleyPig | Your mission was that bad? |
| 23:57:48 | Bradipo | I only lost $100, but it was enough to convince me. |
| 23:57:53 | Bradipo | lol |
| 23:58:01 | Bradipo | Not really, I loved it---went to Catania, Italy. |
| 23:58:26 | HarleyPig | I went to the one place I didn't want to go. |
| 23:58:36 | Bradipo | Oh really? |
| 23:58:39 | Bradipo | Texas? |
| 23:58:41 | HarleyPig | Pittsburgh. |
| 23:58:54 | Bradipo | I didn't have any clue about where I wanted to go. |
| 23:59:30 | HarleyPig | Well, I partied in Pittsburgh for 6 months about 2 years before straightening out and putting my papers in. |