| 00:31:52 | fugalh | hello |
| 02:21:45 | fozz | fugalh: You were asking about a Socket 7 board. |
| 02:22:10 | fozz | Do you want AT or ATX? |
| 02:22:31 | fugalh | fozz, yes. Either AT or ATX would work. |
| 02:22:42 | fugalh | (I have a case for either) |
| 02:22:51 | fozz | I might have a FIC VA503+ - my favorite Socket7 board |
| 02:22:51 | fugalh | given the choice I'd say ATX |
| 02:23:02 | fozz | Well, the VA503+ is either AT or ATX, actually. |
| 02:23:09 | fozz | it has connectors for both power supplies. |
| 02:23:16 | fozz | But it does have an AT-style keyboard connector. |
| 02:23:26 | fugalh | that's ok, I have an at-style adapter |
| 02:23:38 | fugalh | i also happen to know my at power supply works. not so for my atx one |
| 02:23:46 | fugalh | i suspect it works but don't know |
| 02:25:21 | fugalh | how much would you ask for it? |
| 02:27:15 | fozz | Oh- $30 or so, I guess. |
| 02:27:28 | fozz | It takes 72-pin SRAM and 168-pin SDRAM. |
| 02:27:48 | fozz | I'll have to look and see. |
| 02:28:01 | fozz | Drop me some e-mail - fozz@iodynamics.com |
| 02:37:04 | fugalh | will do. thanks :) |
| 05:49:37 | Bradipo | Hello? |
| 05:49:44 | Bradipo | You still here ibot? |
| 13:36:20 | fugalh | morning |
| 13:50:35 | BAUDIO | Please have INFORMATION on Novell under Linux ? |
| 13:53:57 | BAUDIO | Alguien puede darme INFO sobre NOvell bako linux ? |
| 13:56:02 | orbit | Lo siento, pero no. No he usado Novell. |
| 13:57:22 | orbit | Me imagino que haya documentos en el WWW sobre eso. |
| 13:57:49 | orbit | Que programma de Novell le interesa? |
| 13:59:56 | orbit | Well, I guess he wasn't that interested after all... |
| 14:00:14 | orbit | Anybody here this morning? |
| 14:00:34 | tensai | yup |
| 14:00:56 | tensai | don't speak portuguese though :( |
| 14:01:26 | orbit | hehe.. |
| 14:01:57 | tensai | Jayce^ is off at OSCON. probably be pretty boring for a while |
| 14:02:45 | orbit | :-) |
| 14:02:50 | orbit | Lucky guy. |
| 14:07:30 | scothoser | Morning all! |
| 14:08:00 | orbit | Mornin. |
| 14:13:17 | orbit | fugalh: So how's BYU resnet these days? |
| 14:13:30 | fugalh | decent usually. |
| 14:13:48 | orbit | Do you have a public IP or do they NAT? |
| 14:13:51 | fugalh | they NAT |
| 14:14:01 | orbit | Hmm, back when I was on it was a public IP. |
| 14:14:16 | orbit | Firewalled, but still a public IP. |
| 14:14:20 | fugalh | yeah, they've done a lot of exciting things since then. |
| 14:14:27 | fugalh | (being fecicious) |
| 14:14:48 | orbit | hehe..Have they put up any wireless APs on campus? |
| 14:15:04 | fugalh | they have a couple, I think they're considered beta |
| 14:15:12 | orbit | Interesting. |
| 14:15:19 | fugalh | there's an antenna sitting right here (at work in the tmcb) |
| 14:15:21 | scothoser | They have the same thing here are the Salt Lake Center, but you can highjack a static IP real easy, as they told us.. |
| 14:15:39 | fugalh | you don't even need wireless at byu. just plug into the back of one of the IP phones |
| 14:15:50 | orbit | IP phones? |
| 14:16:02 | fugalh | i wonder what they're going to do when they put those ip phones in wyview/wymount |
| 14:16:19 | fugalh | the old digital ROLM phones are being phased out for Cisco IP phones (over IP protocol) |
| 14:16:26 | orbit | Wow. cool. |
| 14:16:39 | fugalh | sort of. There's lots of issues that they basically ignored. |
| 14:16:44 | orbit | heh. |
| 14:17:44 | fugalh | brb |
| 14:19:05 | fugalh | finally. I got ssh-agent working in my .xsession |
| 14:20:55 | scothoser | fugalh: do you know if you can hook the IP phone into a switch or hub, and have one line run multiple phones? |
| 14:22:13 | fugalh | got me |
| 14:22:40 | fugalh | I have little first-hand knowledge, just a couple of things I've heard. |
| 14:23:01 | scothoser | I think that it would be cool if they did.. and then brought them to the BYU Salt Lake Center.. |
| 14:23:34 | scothoser | I'm checking it out.. maybe I can suggest it. ^_^ |
| 14:23:54 | fugalh | :) Actually from what I've heard I wouldn't suggest it |
| 14:24:32 | fugalh | they have security issues, and since they're on the regular internet network they're not as stable - not considered reliable enough for emergency use |
| 14:25:02 | scothoser | Ahh.. I see.. |
| 14:27:18 | scothoser | The whitepaper looks pretty good.. but then it's supposed to.. |
| 14:28:11 | fugalh | if you really want to look into them, I'll give you a contact who can tell you the good, bad, and ugly about them. |
| 14:28:55 | scothoser | That's OK.. I don't think the Salt Lake Center will be getting them any time soon. |
| 14:29:07 | scothoser | Not that they are worried about security.. |
| 15:00:15 | scothoser | harleypig! |
| 15:00:20 | HarleyPig | :) |
| 15:00:40 | scothoser | wb fugalh |
| 15:00:50 | HarleyPig | Did someone kill my infobot? |
| 15:00:53 | fugalh | thx. :) Sorry for jumping in and out. I'm setting up my wmaker |
| 15:01:02 | HarleyPig | Checking logs now, but it's a *hug* log file. |
| 15:03:00 | HarleyPig | uhhh ... that'd be *huge* not hug. |
| 15:03:18 | HarleyPig | Yeah yeah ... I'm hugging my log files! |
| 15:03:25 | scothoser | I know you like your log files.. but please, keep it private... ^_^ |
| 15:03:40 | HarleyPig | ignores scothoser |
| 15:09:30 | fugalh | hello harleybot |
| 15:09:30 | HarleyBot | privet, fugalh |
| 15:09:50 | HarleyPig | privet? |
| 15:10:13 | fugalh | i think it's russian. I didn't teach him that though. |
| 15:10:35 | HarleyPig | Heh ... I'll have to check the database. |
| 15:11:20 | HarleyPig | Anyone know of a decent open source call tracker, preferably in perl or php? |
| 15:11:35 | HarleyPig | Uh, add free to that list as well. |
| 15:14:35 | euler | Well, I will be on my way to Utah this evening. |
| 15:14:44 | fugalh | euler, where are you now? |
| 15:14:49 | fugalh | call tracker? |
| 15:16:53 | HarleyPig | Track incoming calls to a support center. |
| 15:17:02 | fugalh | ah. |
| 15:17:32 | HarleyPig | Preferably, it'd be nice to be able to use it for *any* incoming calls, but that's just icing. |
| 15:17:59 | HarleyPig | seen Jayce? |
| 15:17:59 | HarleyBot | I haven't seen 'Jayce', HarleyPig |
| 15:18:01 | euler | fugalh: I am in Idaho. |
| 15:18:15 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot can't handle Jayce^'s handle. |
| 15:18:16 | HarleyBot | HarleyPig: what? |
| 15:18:36 | HarleyPig | Nevermind HarleyBot |
| 15:19:24 | scothoser | He went to a Midnight Oil consert last night, and had to pack for OSCON.. the hoser.. |
| 15:20:02 | HarleyPig | Jayce^ is a dweeb! |
| 15:20:25 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot, what is Jayce^? |
| 15:20:25 | HarleyBot | hmmm... Jayce^ is a dweeb! |
| 15:20:49 | HarleyPig | insult Jayce^ |
| 15:20:50 | HarleyBot | Jayce^ is nothing but a squishy puddle of coughed-up gunk. |
| 15:21:02 | | hey, HarleyPig |
| 15:21:02 | HarleyPig | Hi, ibot. |
| 15:21:08 | scothoser | HarleyBot is quite observant.. |
| 15:21:15 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 15:21:27 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot, what is HarleyPig? |
| 15:21:28 | HarleyBot | harleypig: wish i knew |
| 15:21:39 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 15:22:00 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot, describe HarleyPig. |
| 15:22:01 | HarleyBot | HarleyPig: excuse me? |
| 15:22:59 | fugalh | i think harleybot lost his memory |
| 15:23:05 | HarleyPig | What are you furious about? |
| 15:23:11 | fugalh | harleybot, who am I? |
| 15:23:11 | HarleyPig | I think so too ... |
| 15:23:11 | HarleyBot | fugalh: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:23:37 | HarleyPig | From the logs it looks like he crashed sometime Tuesday afternoon. |
| 15:23:49 | HarleyPig | but I can't figure out why ... |
| 15:24:06 | HarleyPig | there is a string of garbage on the last line then nothing. |
| 15:28:08 | fugalh | who is harleybot? |
| 15:28:08 | HarleyBot | i am quite observant.. |
| 15:28:36 | fugalh | yes, harleybot, you are also a magnificent infobot |
| 15:28:53 | HarleyPig | of course he is, he's written in perl! |
| 15:29:11 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot, you are also written in perl! |
| 15:29:11 | HarleyBot | okay, HarleyPig. |
| 15:29:51 | HarleyPig | Oops ... gonna have to fix that self desription. |
| 15:31:12 | euler | Java,java,java,java,java... |
| 15:31:14 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: harleybpt =~ s/or written in perl$// |
| 15:31:14 | HarleyBot | I didn't have anything matching 'harleybpt', HarleyPig |
| 15:31:31 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: HarleyBot =~ s/or written in perl$// |
| 15:31:31 | HarleyBot | That doesn't contain 'or written in perl$', HarleyPig |
| 15:31:47 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: who are you? |
| 15:31:47 | HarleyBot | i heard i was quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl! |
| 15:31:51 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: HarleyBot =~ s/or written in perl!$// |
| 15:31:51 | HarleyBot | That doesn't contain 'or written in perl!$', HarleyPig |
| 15:31:58 | HarleyPig | Yes it does you silly bot. |
| 15:32:27 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: HarleyBot =~ s/^(.*?)or written in perl!$/$1/ |
| 15:32:27 | HarleyBot | That doesn't contain '^(.*?)or written in perl!$', HarleyPig |
| 15:32:55 | HarleyPig | grumbles about regexes handling regexes. |
| 15:33:15 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: What is HarleyBot? |
| 15:33:15 | HarleyBot | i think i am quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl! |
| 15:34:03 | fugalh | HarleyBot: no, you are quite observant or a magnificent infobot written in perl |
| 15:34:04 | HarleyBot | ...but harleybot is quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl!... |
| 15:34:07 | fugalh | HarleyBot: no, you are quite observant or a magnificent infobot written in perl |
| 15:34:08 | HarleyBot | ...but harleybot is quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl!... |
| 15:34:17 | fugalh | harleybot, mind your manners |
| 15:34:17 | HarleyBot | fugalh: huh? |
| 15:34:31 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: no, you are quite observant or a magnificent infobot written in perl |
| 15:34:32 | HarleyBot | ...but harleybot is quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl!... |
| 15:34:45 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot is a literal bot too! |
| 15:34:52 | fugalh | HarleyBot: no, you are a magnificent infobot written in perl |
| 15:34:52 | HarleyBot | ...but harleybot is quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl!... |
| 15:34:54 | fugalh | HarleyBot: no, you are a magnificent infobot written in perl |
| 15:34:55 | HarleyBot | ...but harleybot is quite observant.. or a magnificent infobot written in perl or written in perl!... |
| 15:34:59 | | somebody said irc was "where the men are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the men are actually women." |
| 15:34:59 | fugalh | ibot, what is irc? |
| 15:35:30 | HarleyPig | That was confuzzled ... someone needs to edit their memory! |
| 15:35:49 | | OK, fugalh. |
| 15:35:49 | fugalh | ibot, no irc is Internet Relay Chat |
| 15:35:54 | fugalh | what is irc? |
| 15:36:06 | | hmmm... irc is "where the men are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the men are actually women." |
| 15:36:06 | fugalh | ibot, what is irc? |
| 15:36:07 | HarleyBot | i already had it that way, fugalh. |
| 15:36:32 | HarleyPig | what is irc? |
| 15:36:32 | fugalh | great, he's ignoring me. :) |
| 15:36:32 | HarleyBot | i think irc is "where the men are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the men are actually women." |
| 15:36:43 | fugalh | no, irc is internet relay chat |
| 15:36:45 | HarleyPig | And he's infecting HarleyBot |
| 15:36:55 | fugalh | irc is internet relay chat |
| 15:37:01 | fugalh | what is irc? |
| 15:37:01 | HarleyBot | rumour has it irc is "where the men are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the are men, the women are men, the boys are FBI agents, but some of the men are actually women." |
| 15:37:06 | HarleyPig | status |
| 15:37:15 | HarleyPig | HarleyBot: status |
| 15:37:15 | HarleyBot | Since Thu Jul 18 10:19:42 2002, there have been 12 modifications and 21 questions. I have been awake for 28 minutes, 8 seconds this session, and currently reference 76870 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 15:37:38 | HarleyPig | 76 thousand factoids! w00t! |
| 15:37:55 | fugalh | :) |
| 15:37:58 | | somebody said irc was Internet Relay Chat |
| 15:37:58 | fugalh | ibot, what is irc? |
| 15:37:59 | HarleyPig | #HarleyBot |
| 15:37:59 | HarleyBot | i already had it that way, fugalh. |
| 15:38:03 | HarleyPig | woops |
| 16:09:08 | fugalh | euler, what about java? |
| 16:11:24 | fugalh | xml.apache.org experts, anyone? |
| 16:21:42 | scothoser | bbl guys, I have to reboot... |
| 16:24:37 | fugalh | maybe he's running windows |
| 16:53:17 | euler | fugalh: it rocks... |
| 16:53:48 | fugalh | I like java, but there are some things that baffle me. like no const keyword and no enum type |
| 16:54:37 | fugalh | in fact I'm using it now. oop and design patterns rock |
| 16:54:55 | tensai | I love the extensive libraries available by default |
| 16:56:07 | euler | Me too. |
| 16:56:11 | fugalh | I love that I don't have to work to get unicode support |
| 16:56:12 | euler | ON both counts. |
| 16:56:15 | euler | heh |
| 16:56:28 | tensai | you guys ever tried gcj? |
| 16:56:39 | euler | I looked into it a little bit. |
| 16:56:44 | fugalh | not seriously. I need java2 for what I'm doing |
| 16:56:56 | fugalh | what I don't love about java is their license |
| 16:57:17 | euler | That too. |
| 16:57:23 | euler | I wish sun would open it. |
| 17:00:57 | fugalh | is writing a SAX ContentHandler |
| 17:18:40 | scott | have you guys used IDEA? |
| 17:18:53 | scott | awesome awesome IDE for Java |
| 17:24:04 | fugalh | scott: platforms? |
| 17:24:51 | scott | oh cwindows and linux, not sure whatelse |
| 17:25:02 | scott | s/windows |
| 17:31:07 | fugalh | vi keybinding? :) |
| 18:00:17 | scott | luckily no :) |
| 18:09:12 | fugalh | long live vim |
| 18:09:19 | fugalh | ;-) |
| 18:32:33 | fugalh | ok, java kings, if I have a nested class I can reference variables in the parent class - but how do I reference the parent class instance itself? |
| 18:33:17 | tensai | fugalh: super->foo? |
| 18:33:25 | tensai | s/->/. |
| 18:34:11 | fugalh | i actually want to assign a variable to be the parent class. as in |
| 18:34:32 | fugalh | state = super; would that work? |
| 18:36:18 | tensai | fugalh: ok, you lost me |
| 18:38:53 | fugalh | ok, put on your thinking caps. this is a mind-bender |
| 18:39:05 | tensai | dons his cap... |
| 18:39:20 | fugalh | if you're familiar with the State design pattern load that into memory too |
| 18:40:52 | fugalh | parent class has a state member variable, which is of interface StateInterface |
| 18:41:23 | fugalh | nested class implements that interface, as do classes nested in it |
| 18:41:51 | fugalh | at the beginning, a top-level nested class instance is assigned to state |
| 18:42:19 | fugalh | then a state transition happens when that class assigns state to be something else (like an instance of one of its children classes) |
| 18:42:46 | fugalh | but eventually state is going to need to go back down the ladder to the top-level instance (since this is XML) |
| 18:43:18 | fugalh | so when n-deep instance needs to assign state to be (n-1)-deep instance, would state = super work? |
| 18:43:35 | fugalh | (did I lose everyone? :) |
| 18:45:42 | fozz | arrives |
| 18:46:08 | fozz | runs and hides from the Java topic. |
| 18:46:35 | tensai | is still thinking |
| 18:46:48 | fugalh | it's not so bad fozz, it's a simple java question. the fun part is the complex oo design |
| 18:48:14 | tensai | let me see if I have this right |
| 18:48:51 | tensai | class A implements StateInterface{ protected State state; } |
| 18:49:17 | tensai | class B nested-in A implements StateInterface {} |
| 18:49:29 | tensai | class C nested-in B implements StateInterface {} |
| 18:49:48 | fugalh | yeah (although class A need not implement StateInterface) |
| 18:49:57 | tensai | in C.someMethod() you want to set state = A; ? |
| 18:50:05 | tensai | ah, right. I see. |
| 18:50:13 | fugalh | actually, set state = B |
| 18:50:14 | fugalh | yes |
| 18:50:58 | tensai | I think that will work. Have you tried it? |
| 18:52:44 | fugalh | no, I have lots of code to write before I get to a compile point. But if it doesn't work, thank goodness for vim and search/replace with regexes. :) |
| 18:53:10 | tensai | I'm writing a small test. gimme just a minute and we'll see... |
| 18:54:12 | fugalh | thx. I guess I could manage to write a small test too. |
| 18:54:35 | tensai | you just got me really curious |
| 18:58:48 | tensai | Does C extend B? and B extend A? |
| 19:02:40 | fugalh | the way I have it set up now is B implements StateInterface and C implements StateInterface |
| 19:02:47 | fugalh | no subclassing |
| 19:03:09 | tensai | so how do B and C know about A? |
| 19:03:19 | fugalh | but I don't necessarily have anything against subclassing. |
| 19:04:15 | fugalh | i found something on google: http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-08-1997/jw-08-stated.html |
| 19:04:24 | fugalh | I'm going to read it and see what it can tell us. |
| 19:04:42 | tensai | ok |
| 19:13:46 | fugalh | http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.1/docs/guide/innerclasses/spec/innerclasses.doc4.html#15634 |
| 19:16:15 | fugalh | "In all classes, each current instance can be named explicitly or can play an implicit part when its members are used. Any current instance can be referred to by explicitly qualifying the keyword this as if it were a name: FixedStack.this, Enumerator.this, etc. (This notation is always effective, since the language prohibits an inner class from having the same name as any of its enclosing classes.) As always, the innermost current instance can be |
| 19:16:15 | fugalh | named with the unqualified keyword this. " |
| 19:16:39 | fugalh | there we go. |
| 19:16:51 | fugalh | C.someMethod() { state = B.this; } |
| 19:16:56 | fugalh | how fun :) |
| 19:17:00 | tensai | as long as you understood it |
| 21:34:46 | fugalh | does a little dance to celebrate the arrival of Perl in a Nutshell |
| 21:35:13 | tensai | is also glad to have his |
| 21:52:03 | fugalh | takes off to go read his perl book. |
| 23:25:21 | scott | anyone know of a website that gives more detailed information about a movie's ratings than the standard MPAA tag? |